TROMBONE-L Digest 1554 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Trombone playing tips by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 2) Screw Bells - square? quadro? by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 3) FROM THE LIST MONITOR Re: fixhappy by Listmonitor Trombone-L 4) Re: Trombone playing tips by Steve Butterworth 5) Re: fixhappy by Mike Coyle 6) Re: fixhappy by Chris Waage 7) Re: AFM Airline Baggage Project Info by David Oliver 8) Re: Screw Bells by "Kenneth Dowdy" 9) DMA Exam by Howard Weiner 10) Re: Trombone playing tips by "Peter Anderson" 11) For Sale: Doug Elliott LT99 Rims by Chris Waage 12) Re: Screw Bells by Mike Coyle 13) Re: Trombone Search by "Steve Beck" 14) Re: Trombone playing tips by NHSGrizzly16@aol.com 15) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by "Adrian Drover" 16) Wilson Euphonium by SOB 3:16 17) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by "Les Benedict" 18) RE: Trombone playing tips by "Brandon Moodie" 19) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by Mike Coyle 20) Re: Y2K compliance by rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) 21) RE: Trombone playing tips by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 22) RE: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 23) RE: Y2K compliance by Bob Koester 24) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by "Adrian Drover" 25) Lead pipes by "Rodney Ellard" 26) Big Band CD w/ Trombone features and a Sexy Cover by "stevencarr" 27) Re: fixhappy by Earl Needham 28) Re: fixhappy by "Aaron Roth" 29) NOTHING FURTHER, PLEASE (was Re: fixhappy) by Listmonitor Trombone-L 30) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by "Aaron Roth" 31) Re: Trombone search and more by Earl Needham 32) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by Earl Needham 33) Re: Lead pipes by "Les Benedict" 34) Re: Trombone playing tips by Michael Landis 35) Re: Trombone playing tips by sabutin@mindspring.com 36) Re: Trombone playing tips by "Aaron Roth" 37) Re: Lead pipes by "Christopher Smith" 38) Re: Trombone playing tips by NHSGrizzly16@aol.com 39) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Digestable by Larry White 40) Re: Lead pipes by "Les Benedict" 41) Re: Lead pipes by Eugene Grissom 42) Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? by Servo149@aol.com 43) Leaving for a month by Rug129@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:20 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:22:47 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: FOpal@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE2082E46@LEE2> When I was in high school a 10th partial D would have been considered really good. Even in college not many people had more. Times have changed, I guess. Your comment about "I play quite often" intrigues me though. I think it is pretty important to know exactly how many minutes "often" is. I would suggest actually timing it, with a kitchen timer or stopwatch, and noting the time spent, the work done, and maybe a comment or two about how it went in a "practice log." No serious athlete would consider working out without a training log to track his/her progress, plan future workouts, set goals, etc. There seems to be a rule of thumb on the list, courtesy Tom Ervin I guess, that 10 hours a week (or more) is what defines the serious trombonist. But if you don't measure you are guessing. And it's kind of neat once in a while to read back a couple of years and see what you were struggling with then. I use a hardbound journal, but the spreadsheet developed by a lister recently is also a good way to go. hope this helps, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: FOpal@aol.com [SMTP:FOpal@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:37 AM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Trombone playing tips > > I hate to bother all of you again but I was wondering if anyone could tell > me > some ways to improve range in general, more specifically high range. I > was > told low range would help my high range so I have worked my range down to > a > peddletone D or Db about 5 ledger below bass clef. My high range extends > to > a D ( 5th line above staff) sometimes I can squeak out a little higher. I > > was told Free Buzzing might be helpful but I dont know much about this... > I > play 2-3 octave scales to help my range some more, I play harmonics, > arpeggios, and I feel pretty confortable with those. I play quite often. > I > play a Professional Olds Superstar trombone with an F attachment. > Sorry for almost repeating an EMail but I thought some other opinions > would > be good. I looked in the archives and they were helpful. Any other > insights? Thanx a bunch > > High School Trombonist, > Frank Opal From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:20 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:32:54 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE2082E47@LEE2> Would not the ultimate travel trombone be a screw bell quadraslide? That should really work as a carry on. You might not want to play one on Brahms - but on a ska or Dixie gig, why not? Also, ......danger will robinson........danger...........brainstorm impending....... Why does the bell have to be smoothly conical? Are all loudspeakers round? (in other words, figures of revolution, shapes produced by rotating a curve around an axis.) No, some are flaring squares. Guess what, some organ pipes are square. Some recorders are square in cross section. Why not a travel trombone with a square or rectangular bell shape? you might be able to get it in an even smaller case. Before you all leap to the conclusion it couldn't sound good, has anyone played one? This is an innovation in brass design I've never seen, but I find it hard to believe somebody hasn't tried it at some point. (I hope Tom Izzo will accept my apology in advance, I suspect he has at least an alto and tenor version.) yours, tim richardson From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:34:18 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: FROM THE LIST MONITOR Re: fixhappy Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Use extreme caution with this program. I have not tested it, but I believe it may contain a virus. LM From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:23:52 -0500 From: Steve Butterworth To: FOpal@aol.com, Trombone-List Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <386A1978.CB8FE9F3@istar.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Play tunes! Memorized-Something simple and tuneful-something you like. Play the same tune in many keys and in many registers. This will allow you to concentrate on the music and your "chops" will allow most things to just happen. Of course, the trick is to have everything that we conciously practice become automatic. Besides, playing tunes will really deveop your ear! ;~) Steve FOpal@aol.com wrote: > I hate to bother all of you again but I was wondering if anyone could tell me > some ways to improve range in general, more specifically high range. I was > told low range would help my high range so I have worked my range down to a > peddletone D or Db about 5 ledger below bass clef. My high range extends to > a D ( 5th line above staff) sometimes I can squeak out a little higher. I > was told Free Buzzing might be helpful but I dont know much about this... I > play 2-3 octave scales to help my range some more, I play harmonics, > arpeggios, and I feel pretty confortable with those. I play quite often. I > play a Professional Olds Superstar trombone with an F attachment. > Sorry for almost repeating an EMail but I thought some other opinions would > be good. I looked in the archives and they were helpful. Any other > insights? Thanx a bunch > > High School Trombonist, > Frank Opal From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:05:08 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: fixhappy Message-ID: <199912291511.JAA02340@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Geez, does this guy think we're idiots? At 12:20 PM 12/29/99 +0000, you wrote: >Please run this program to remove any possible worm virus I or someone else may have sent you. >Eric > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:22:35 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: fixhappy Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The odds are he has been hit by a virus, and the worm virus automatically sent the message to a preselected number of recipients from his e-mail address book. Chris >Geez, does this guy think we're idiots? > >At 12:20 PM 12/29/99 +0000, you wrote: >>Please run this program to remove any possible worm virus I or someone >else may have sent you. >>Eric >> >> >> _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com http://www.waageworks.com "Wisdom comes from Knowledge. Knowledge comes from Good Judgement. Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement." _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:30:50 -0800 From: David Oliver To: campora@peabody.jhu.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: AFM Airline Baggage Project Info Message-ID: <386A616A.5285A525@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been following (sort of closely) the negotiatons between the airlines, etc. to forestall possible action by the congress to force them to do things they don't necessarily want to do. I'd saved a clipping from the Rocky Mountain News to relate it to all of you, but now I can't find it. My folks had been visiting for the holidays, so some cleaning occurred... I believe that United at least plans on raising the amount covered per piece of lost/damaged luggage to $2500, which I think is a $1000 increase. Sorry about the lack of concrete details, but I thought I'd mention it. Many of us play older (and hard to replace) horns, and even our newer ones are "good fits", but it looks to be a step in the right direction. Covering the total value/replacement cost of a musical instrument would be even better. David Oliver Westminster, Colorado USA Bass/Tenor Trombone, Denver Concert Band Randy Campora wrote: > Alfonso Pollard, Director of the AFM's Legislative Office, is > currently compiling statistics of standard instrument case sizes > (length, width, height or depth) for the following instruments: > electric bass, guitar, horn, saxophone, trombone, trumpet, viola > and violin. Alfonso will be using this information as he prepares > to meet with the flight attendant's union to discuss regulations > for acceptable carry-on baggage. In addition, any and all > anecdotal evidence is welcome -- such as a story where you > attempted to place your instrument in the overhead compartment > only to be told you would have to check it as baggage beneath the > plane, or perhaps a story where you attempted to "sneak" your > instrument under a seat. Please send measurements or stories to > Alfonso Pollard at apollard@afm.org or (202) 628-5460 or to Sara > Honen, Research Assistant for the Symphonic Services Division at > shonen@afm.org or (212) 869-1330 ext. 226. Your help is greatly > appreciated. > > Sara Honen > shonen@afm.org > > -Randy From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:49:38 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Screw Bells Message-ID: <00aa01bf5235$d93c1140$f6190f3f@default> Mike wrote: > >Gee, sometimes I feel like a total dullard when I hear what people are >doing to their horns. I have a stock Bach 42B and haven't done a thing to >it except lube the slide and I like it just fine You are probably in the majority. The only "mod" that I have done on my 3B is to remove the counterweight (which I have done on all of my trombones past and present). > >I don't feel compelled to do anything exotic to my horns, is something >wrong with me? (other than being a composer, that is) ;-) > >Mike Well . . . that depends on exactly HOW exotic you intend to get with your horn. I would guess that you are probably OK, but I once saw a nice Eb bass sackbut that caused some feelings to well up in me that I would prefer not to discuss in public :-) Ken Dowdy From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:03:31 From: Howard Weiner To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: DMA Exam Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19991229210331.2c876eae@mail.privat.toplink.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Trombone content see No. 20 (and No. 11) +++++++++++++ Doctoral Music Exam - you have 1 hour. 1. Explain the difference between sforza, sforzando, sforzata, and La Forza Del Destino. Be specific. 2. What is the diameter of the hole in the water key on your instrument? If your instrument does not have a water key, what is the diameter of the third moon of Jupiter? 3. List Johann Sebastian Bach's children (include middle names) and give: a. Date of birth b. Date of death (if deceased) c. Last known address d. Social Security number 4. Name the composers who wrote a First Symphony. 5. Give the opening theme of each symphony in #4 (above). 6. What is the relationship and musical significance of the 10th and 11th bars of the aria "Soldaten, Soldaten" to the aria's final bars (1048-1063) in the Alban Berg opera "Wozzeck"? 7. Who conducted "Tannhauser" at the 1847 Bayreuth Festival? Was he right or left-handed? 8. Trace the development of the "Family Unity" theme in Richard Strauss' "Sinfonia Domestica". In which key(s) is it presented? 9. Describe in detail the formula for the varnish on violins made by Stradivari during the first third of his career. Explain how this varnish differs from varnish used on his violas. What modern substances could be effectively substituted in duplicating this formula today? 10. What is the optimum acidity/alkalinity (expressed in pH) for soil in which cane for bassoon reeds are to be grown? For bass clarinet reeds? 11. Name the bones and muscles involved in forming a brass player's embouchure. 12. What is the advantage of using xylophone mallet heads made of: a. Ebony b. Teak c. Philippine Mahogany d. Compressed moose chips 13. Argue both sides of the following statement: "The most important element in music is rhythm." * Critique both arguments and decide which is correct, or more nearly correct. * Compose a three-movement symphonic metamorphosis (not to exceed 1 hour in length) on a theme by Ned Rorem to support your decision. 14. Defend Mozart's use of the glass harmonica and explain why this instrument has lapsed into disfavor, especially among punk rock groups. 15. Give the "Slap-Back" time in seconds (to three decimal places) of each hall used by all major American and European orchestras. Defend your selection of each orchestra as a major orchestra, and name each orchestra's past and present conductors. 16. In which of his symphonies did Franz Joseph Haydn use: a. Clarinets b. Horns c. Tympani d. Bassoons 17. Write the first 25 bars of Stravinsky's "Circus Polka" (from memory), and analyze. 18. What is the Koechel number of Mozart's 4th Horn Concerto? 19. Develop a simple set of rules that explain the harmonic and melodic progressions, voice leadings, and rhythmic notation of the music of Bartok. 20. Give the ratio between the bore and overall length of a Couesnon Contra-Bass trombone, Model G-571a, when the slide is in flat 4th position. If the position is used in conjunction with both thumb valves (F and D) to play the 7th note of the overtone series, what note will be sounded? Will it be sharp, flat, or in tune? If sharp or flat, by how many hundredths of a semitone? 21. Who invented the Ocarina? In what year? Why? 22. Explain the musical inconsistencies as to key, notation, accidentals, etc, found in the original score of Robert Schumann's Symphony #3. 23. Write a seven-voice motet in the style of Orlando di Lassus in invertible counterpoint. Extra credit if the motet can also be performed backwards. 24. Using materials commonly found in the kitchen, construct a 15 rank, 3-manual positiv organ (with pedals) and use it to perform two pieces by Oliver Messiaen. 25. Reconstruct the missing movements of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony. 26. Give the Russian, German, and Serbo-Croatian equivalents of the following Italian terms: Tuffato, Con Amore, Cadenza, Fugato, Garbonzo, Mafioso, and Ferrari. 27. Explain why Benny Goodman could use parallel octaves, but you can't. +++++++++++++++ -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - attributed to Frank Zappa "Beschriebene Musik ist wie ein erzŠhltes Mittagessen" - Franz Grillparzer zugeschrieben From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:42:11 -0800 From: "Peter Anderson" To: Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <01bc01bf523d$2fa3a640$d6713fd1@a6e2p1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good advice....but I'm dubious about the claim of a 7 octave range! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips > when you warm up, start on a 4th line F and play four quarter notes then a > whole note and go down the chromatic scale as far as you can. then, start > back on F and go up the chromatic scale as high as you can. don't pinch or > apply a lot of pressure in the higher octave. make this a part of your daily > routine. also, practice a lot of slurs in the upper octave (as well as > lower). not only will that increase range, but it will improve your > technique. here's a buzzing excercise that i picked up from a trombone > player (Ron Wilkins) who can play a range of 7 octaves: > > 1. Start buzzing high and go as low as possible. > 2. Start as low as you can and buzz as high as possible. > 3. Start low, go high as you can, then back low as you can. > 4. Start high, go as low as you can, then back high as you can. > 5. Start on an F and buzz up as high as you can, then go as low as you can. > 6. Start on an F and buzz down as low as you can, then go as high as you can. > > Tips for the exercises: > > Do each exercise 4-5 times. Always work higher and go from your extreme on > the last time. > > Do not start the buzz by tonguing. Blow the lip open by starting with a > "who" attack. > > Do not buzz too loudly. It is better to buzz soft as soft and high are very > similar. > > Do not let your corners move as you work through these exercises. Make one > embouchure setting do all the work. > > Rest as much as you buzz. (Ex. buzz, rest, buzz, rest) > > When you get as high as you can go with the mouthpiece open, close off the > end to develop back pressure and work the exercise with the end partially > closed. This works for extended range. > > This exercise should be practiced in front of a mirror. Watch yourself and > look for problems. You may lose three days of progress for each day you > don't work. Remember, rest as much as you work, always play a low note for > every high note, and play soft as much as you play loud. You can't teach a > tired lip something new as the lips work best in their relaxed state. A warm > up should relax the lip and establish good blood flow. > > Hope this helps. I know it did me. I increased my range almost a whole > octave. > > Kristina > Northside High Symphonic Band(Euphonium) > Jazz (Trombone, Sax) > Pianist > From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:32:40 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: For Sale: Doug Elliott LT99 Rims Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (In my original post, I left out the rim size - that's what I get for writing while on sinus medicine.... ;-) For Sale: Doug Elliott LT99 rims. One is silver, and the other is lexan. They are both in mint condition. Guaranteed to be Y2K compliant. $25 each, or $45 for both. I'll pay shipping anywhere in the US. Outside the US, e-mail for shipping price. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:38:33 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Screw Bells Message-ID: <199912292044.OAA22985@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Well . . . that depends on exactly HOW exotic you intend to get with your >horn. I would guess that you are probably OK, but I once saw a nice Eb bass >sackbut that caused some feelings to well up in me that I would prefer not >to discuss in public :-) > >Ken Dowdy I said exotic not erotic, but, hey..... OH boy, Ken - I really want you to send me the private responses you get to this one :) This list gets more like the Jerry Springer show everyday! Mike From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:30:17 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombone-l" Subject: Re: Trombone Search Message-ID: <007101bf5233$25d3a3e0$3a300923@becks.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: mpurdy@jwpepper.com Yeah, but what did you end up with, really, inquiring minds want to know. Grins,Mike I thought you'd never ask. Although I really liked Mike Coyle's horn, I ended up with a Conn 88H-O-SGX. As I said, I could have been happy with almost any of them. -Steve From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:57:41 EST From: NHSGrizzly16@aol.com To: pander@jps.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <0.a183956.259bcfc5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit man, i wish you could hear this guy play! i think he's from Texas. his 7th octave is kinda quiet, but he still gets it out and it sounds great! he played a song that used all 7 octaves. i think he's coming out with a new CD. i'll let you know when i get it From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:43:37 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <006601bf523f$8f99c5a0$472d63c3@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:32 PM Subject: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > Would not the ultimate travel trombone be a screw bell quadraslide? That > should really work as a carry on. Nope, the ultimate is dehydrated trombone powder. It comes in a handy 3" x 2" sachet that you can slip into your shirt pocket. There's no airline in the world that refuses it as a carry on. There's only one problem. I once got indigestion after an on board meal and drank my trombone by mistake. Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:22:18 -0500 From: SOB 3:16 To: trombone Subject: Wilson Euphonium Message-ID: <386A7B89.B58E5F67@worldlynx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know where I can get information on the Wilson Euphoniums? From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:36 -0800 From: "Les Benedict" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <00b101bf5244$1d762900$2e7f1d26@s8y2d3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian, I was waiting for one of these. NOW --- welcome back! Les Benedict lesbenedict@earthlink.net http://expage.com/page/goldrushband > ----- Original Message ----- > Nope, the ultimate is dehydrated trombone powder. [snip] > Adrian Drover From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:36:51 -0600 From: "Brandon Moodie" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <000001bf5244$d143d2c0$3d3e8ad1@c.moodie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron's from San Antonio, TX and does indeed have freak chops... 7 octaves is probably close... maybe more like 7 Bb's (a 6 octave span), for what that's worth. Strong player in other aspects, too. --Brandon NHSGrizzly16@aol.com wrote: >here's a buzzing excercise that i picked up from a trombone > player (Ron Wilkins) who can play a range of 7 octaves: Peter Anderson wrote: >good advice....but I'm dubious about the claim of a 7 octave range! NHSGrizzly16@aol.com wrote: > man, i wish you could hear this guy play! i think he's from > Texas. his 7th > octave is kinda quiet, but he still gets it out and it sounds great! he > played a song that used all 7 octaves. i think he's coming out > with a new > CD. i'll let you know when i get it From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:57:18 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <199912292159.PAA13376@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Adrian, Not sure if it is available outside the states or not, but you also need to try trombone gel: handy pocket sized tube, not easily confused with medications, fresh minty flavor! Of course, the ultimate carry on horn is "virtual" trombone - so discreet no one will ever know you're playing it :) M At 02:43 PM 12/29/99 , you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Trombones and related issues forum. >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:32 PM >Subject: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > > >> Would not the ultimate travel trombone be a screw bell quadraslide? That >> should really work as a carry on. > >Nope, the ultimate is dehydrated trombone powder. It comes in a handy 3" x >2" sachet that you can slip into your shirt pocket. There's no airline in >the world that refuses it as a carry on. > >There's only one problem. I once got indigestion after an on board meal and >drank my trombone by mistake. > >Adrian > >Adrian Drover (ADIOS) >Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk >Business: studio@adios.co.uk >www.adios.co.uk > From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:56:58 From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) To: Subject: Re: Y2K compliance Message-ID: <199912292204.RAA73301@mailcore0.oh.voyager.net> > Mike said about "Y2K compliance" > I'm wondering if by Bach 42B is Y2K compliant. If the date flips back > to 1900 will I sound like Arthur Pryor? Certainly not on a 42B. :-) -Jerry -- ============================================================ Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com Written Wednesday, December 29, 1999 - 04:56 PM (EST) ============================================================ MR/2 Ice tag: Patience NOW! From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:14:45 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'longtones@mindspring.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain You can hear Ron Wilkens play in San Antonio the Landing, in the Hyatt Regency at the Riverwalk. He plays in a group called Small World. You can read about Ron and the group at http://www.landing.com/ Lifted from his promo page... "He currently is featured on two Small World CD's, Seasons of the Heart and Live at the Landing. Ron's first CD as leader, Ron Wilkins: A Tribute to the Masters, was released in November 1999." I have not yet heard his 7 octave ability, but look forward to it in January 00!! :~) Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Moodie [mailto:longtones@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 3:37 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Trombone playing tips Ron's from San Antonio, TX and does indeed have freak chops... 7 octaves is probably close... maybe more like 7 Bb's (a 6 octave span), for what that's worth. Strong player in other aspects, too. --Brandon NHSGrizzly16@aol.com wrote: >here's a buzzing excercise that i picked up from a trombone > player (Ron Wilkins) who can play a range of 7 octaves: Peter Anderson wrote: >good advice....but I'm dubious about the claim of a 7 octave range! NHSGrizzly16@aol.com wrote: > man, i wish you could hear this guy play! i think he's from > Texas. his 7th > octave is kinda quiet, but he still gets it out and it sounds great! he > played a song that used all 7 octaves. i think he's coming out > with a new > CD. i'll let you know when i get it From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:18:02 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'slide.rule@adios.co.uk'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Adrian, I just want to know how you passed it, slide first or tuning slide first?? :~) Rick Marple -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 2:44 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:32 PM Subject: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > Would not the ultimate travel trombone be a screw bell quadraslide? That > should really work as a carry on. Nope, the ultimate is dehydrated trombone powder. It comes in a handy 3" x 2" sachet that you can slip into your shirt pocket. There's no airline in the world that refuses it as a carry on. There's only one problem. I once got indigestion after an on board meal and drank my trombone by mistake. Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:10:30 -0600 From: Bob Koester To: "Trombone List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Y2K compliance Message-ID: <01BF521F.9CA9C9E0.bkoester@fixbusinessdebt.com> No. He'll still sound better -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Lapham [SMTP:rjlapham@infinet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 10:57 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Y2K compliance > Mike said about "Y2K compliance" > I'm wondering if by Bach 42B is Y2K compliant. If the date flips back > to 1900 will I sound like Arthur Pryor? Certainly not on a 42B. :-) -Jerry -- ============================================================ Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com Written Wednesday, December 29, 1999 - 04:56 PM (EST) ============================================================ MR/2 Ice tag: Patience NOW! From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:52:11 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <00c101bf5257$ef5c4fe0$472d63c3@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston To: ; Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > > There's only one problem. I once got indigestion after an on board meal and > > drank my trombone by mistake. > Adrian, I just want to know how you passed it, slide first or tuning slide > first?? :~) Neither. I had it removed by Caesarean section 7 miles above the Atlantic Ocean. The doctor who performed the emergency operation said he'd never seen anything like it before. I told him it was a TR181 and that a lot of players still use them, though the Dehydrated model had a slightly dryer sound. Adrian > Adrian Drover (ADIOS) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:31:31 -0800 From: "Rodney Ellard" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Lead pipes Message-ID: <000d01bf525d$3c25a740$92b694d1@rod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF521A.2A91F8A0"
Greetings Conn Heads.
 
I am now a member of the club,  having just acquired a Conn 100-H.  I don't know if it plays better than my Bach 12 but it does smell better.
 
My question is:  can any one describe the characteristics of the three leadpipes?  The seller said she popped one into the horn when she got it and never changed.  It has #3 in it at the moment.
 
I understand the 100-H to incorporate changes made by Larry Minnick to the 6H.  Does anyone know what those changes were and what the intended purpose was? 
 
Rod Ellard
 From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:53:23 -0500 From: "stevencarr" To: "TubaEuphList" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Big Band CD w/ Trombone features and a Sexy Cover Message-ID: <001901bf5260$4678e790$173d0818@cc938625-a.narltn1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF5236.5D7FC730"
Hi,
I’d like to tell you about a CD some of you may be interested in. It called ‘A Mid-Somers Night Dream’ by the Somers Dream Orchestra. Here is a review that a buyer of the CD posted to the guest reviewer section of www.jazzreview.com
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Review by Glenn Thompson of Denver, CO
Featured Artist/Group: Somers Dream Orchestra
  • CD Title: A Mid-Somers Night Dream
  • Year: 1999
  • Favorite Song: Stars Fell On Alabama
  • Review: I recently bought this CD at amazon.com.I was surprised to see that 2 of the cuts were trombone features - since I am also a trombonist. The features, played by Philip Jones, are fantastic! Shades of Urbie Green! I didn't know anybody could still play that way.

    My favorite of the 2 features is Stars Fell On Alabama - supurb ballad playing mixed with lyric improvisation, and fantastic high range. The other feature, On The Street Where You Live, swings like crazy, and Jones nails high notes I thought only Urbie and Bill Watrous could play!

    All in all, the CD is marvelous. Loaded with familiar tunes, great solists, and dynamic vocals - this is a number 1 on my list even with out the trombone features! The incredible Philip Jones just makes the icing on the cake. You can't afford to miss this one!
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This is a unsolicited review, since the band is based in the NYC/New Jersey area and none of us in the band have heard of Glenn Thompson from Denver. (Now the truth comes out, I am the bass trombonist for this band.
Since I’m a member of the band I might be biased so I’ll just ask that when you have some time, check it out on the web. I’ve included links to the web sites where it’s available at the bottom of this message. There are clips of all the tunes. Phillip Jones (trombone) is featured on tracks 2 and 7. Listen to a couple of tracks, see what the other reviewers had to say then decide for yourself.
 
If you like great jazz trombone playing and/or a big band that really swings, check it out.
 
Amazon
 
CDnow
 
CDUniverse
 
More CD info is also available at www.somersdreamorchestra.com
 
Thank you
 
Steve Carr
 
PS Let me know what you think
.
 
 From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:41:40 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: fixhappy Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991229184140.00afe7e0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:05 AM 12/29/99 -0600, Mike Coyle wrote: >Geez, does this guy think we're idiots? > >At 12:20 PM 12/29/99 +0000, you wrote: >>Please run this program to remove any possible worm virus I or someone >else may have sent you. >>Eric While it's not a good idea to send file attachments to the list, and it's always a good idea to virus-scan attachments you may get in email, I believe Eric Burger is a good member of the list and that he was probably trying to help, rather than spread a virus. Here's his sig file, Mike -- answer your question for yourself. Just remember, thought, that a US Serviceman overseas could get in a LOT of hot water for maliciously spreading a virus as you suggest. >SSG Eric H. Burger >United States Army Band, Europe >(Heidelberg, Germany) Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:23:45 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: fixhappy Message-ID: <19991230022345.95884.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Forget not, however, that if he is connected to a LAN and his computer's on, then the virus could very possibly have infected his system, gotten on his email server, and sent itself to certain or all addresses in his address book, even with the message and signature attached...assuming that all of that were indeed the case. Instead of discussing Mr. Burger's reliability and intentions in third-person, why not ask him directly? I too would doubt him sending a stealth virus, but we can't be sure unless he himself tells us. -Aaron R. > While it's not a good idea to send file attachments to the list, and it's >always a good idea to virus-scan attachments you may get in email, I >believe Eric Burger is a good member of the list and that he was probably >trying to help, rather than spread a virus. > > Here's his sig file, Mike -- answer your question for yourself. Just >remember, thought, that a US Serviceman overseas could get in a LOT of hot >water for maliciously spreading a virus as you suggest. > > >SSG Eric H. Burger > >United States Army Band, Europe > >(Heidelberg, Germany) > > > Earl > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) > >Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, >you breathe...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:37:06 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: NOTHING FURTHER, PLEASE (was Re: fixhappy) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No further discussion of this is necessary - I have contacted Mr. Burger directly, and the problem will be resolved. Please drop this topic. From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:36:02 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <19991230023602.71862.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey, try my handy-dandy E-bone on for size! It's got a REALLY light sound to it, and it goes wherever your laptop goes! Or, if you want to print it out, you can just fold it up and put it in your wallet! It sounds a little thinner on paper than on the computer, and you don't get the constant supply of air from the cooling fan that way either, but it sure saves space. | /| | _ / | | ___________________/---/ | | / | | / __________________ | | / / _||_ || \---\_ | || / / \ || \ | | \ \ \_ _/ || \| | \ \__||______||______________________________________ | \___________________________________________________ \ | | | | | ___ \ \ | |ř---- __|_|____|_|_________________________\_/ / | | }_____________________________________<>_/ | |_---- Try it today!! -Aaron R. >Adrian, Not sure if it is available outside the states or not, but you >also need to try trombone gel: handy pocket sized tube, not easily confused >with medications, fresh minty flavor! Of course, the ultimate carry on >horn is "virtual" trombone - so discreet no one will ever know you're >playing it :) > >M ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:41:22 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone search and more Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991229194122.00a95380@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:21 PM 12/29/99 -0500, Steve Beck wrote: >From: mpurdy@jwpepper.com >Yeah, but what did you end up with, really, inquiring minds want to >know. >Grins,Mike > >I thought you'd never ask. > >I ended up with a Conn 88H-O-SGX. If we were in church, that would rate a hearty "AMEN!" The Conn 88H has been a great horn for a long time. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:44:24 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991229194424.009f4540@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:43 PM 12/29/99 -0000, Adrian Drover wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Trombones and related issues forum. >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:32 PM >Subject: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > > >> Would not the ultimate travel trombone be a screw bell quadraslide? That >> should really work as a carry on. > >Nope, the ultimate is dehydrated trombone powder. It comes in a handy 3" x >2" sachet that you can slip into your shirt pocket. There's no airline in >the world that refuses it as a carry on. It better not be WHITE! The cops'll have a field day... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:14:43 -0800 From: "Les Benedict" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lead pipes Message-ID: <001401bf5274$08ab6f00$cd7f1d26@s8y2d3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >----- Original Message ----- >I am now a member of the club, having just acquired a Conn 100-H [snip] >My question is: can any one describe the characteristics of the three leadpipes? [snip] >I understand the 100-H to incorporate changes made by Larry Minnick to the 6H. Does anyone know what those changes were and what the >intended purpose was? > >Rod Ellard I bought my 100-H a year ago, after playing Minicks for about 18 years. I still have a Minick, but prefer my 100-H for most situations. When I phoned Ira Nepus to tell him I was playing a 100-H (he does, also), he asked me which pipe I was using, and I told him the #3. His response was, "You can't be playing the three!" Well, I re-evaluated, and am now playing (mostly) the #1. The #1 is most open, #3 the tightest, and #2 in the middle. To me, the choice depends on what you play most, stylistically. I double a lot on tuba, so the more open feel works for me pretty much. If I were doing more solo jazz playing, I might opt for the #3. (My "legit" horn is an 8-H, with a Bach 3-type mp). One of the changes Larry made was to the bracing, making it more user-friendly (ergonomic). My Minicks are very comfortable to hold, and my 100-H isn't quite as comfortable, but I guess Conn (UMI) decided the straight braces were more stable, or less subject to stress-misalignment. I prefer Larry's design. I'd rather have the slide periodically re-aligned and opt for comfort. Larry's slide is better, and I went through a situation with my 100-H slide, which UMI's Fred Powell very satisfactorily worked with me. I still prefer the action of my Minick slide, but I like the way the Conn slide plays, or feels, with the horn. The metal of Larry's own bells seem to be thicker than the 6-H/100-H, but the 100-H seems to me to be more versatile overall, playing-wise. I like it a lot. Les Benedict lesbenedict@earthlink.net http://expage.com/page/goldrushband From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:28:01 -0600 From: Michael Landis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <386AD141.381A8F0D@world-net.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, Believe it. I study under Ron. He has that kind of range. Mike Landis Peter Anderson wrote: > good advice....but I'm dubious about the claim of a 7 octave range! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 10:45 PM > Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips > > > when you warm up, start on a 4th line F and play four quarter notes then a > > whole note and go down the chromatic scale as far as you can. then, start > > back on F and go up the chromatic scale as high as you can. don't pinch > or > > apply a lot of pressure in the higher octave. make this a part of your > daily > > routine. also, practice a lot of slurs in the upper octave (as well as > > lower). not only will that increase range, but it will improve your > > technique. here's a buzzing excercise that i picked up from a trombone > > player (Ron Wilkins) who can play a range of 7 octaves: > > > > 1. Start buzzing high and go as low as possible. > > 2. Start as low as you can and buzz as high as possible. > > 3. Start low, go high as you can, then back low as you can. > > 4. Start high, go as low as you can, then back high as you can. > > 5. Start on an F and buzz up as high as you can, then go as low as you > can. > > 6. Start on an F and buzz down as low as you can, then go as high as you > can. > > > > Tips for the exercises: > > > > Do each exercise 4-5 times. Always work higher and go from your extreme > on > > the last time. > > > > Do not start the buzz by tonguing. Blow the lip open by starting with a > > "who" attack. > > > > Do not buzz too loudly. It is better to buzz soft as soft and high are > very > > similar. > > > > Do not let your corners move as you work through these exercises. Make > one > > embouchure setting do all the work. > > > > Rest as much as you buzz. (Ex. buzz, rest, buzz, rest) > > > > When you get as high as you can go with the mouthpiece open, close off the > > end to develop back pressure and work the exercise with the end partially > > closed. This works for extended range. > > > > This exercise should be practiced in front of a mirror. Watch yourself > and > > look for problems. You may lose three days of progress for each day you > > don't work. Remember, rest as much as you work, always play a low note > for > > every high note, and play soft as much as you play loud. You can't teach > a > > tired lip something new as the lips work best in their relaxed state. A > warm > > up should relax the lip and establish good blood flow. > > > > Hope this helps. I know it did me. I increased my range almost a whole > > octave. > > > > Kristina > > Northside High Symphonic Band(Euphonium) > > Jazz (Trombone, Sax) > > Pianist > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:02:39 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: NHSGrizzly16@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <199912300403.XAA31055@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi... Buzzing with or w/out the m'pce? S ======================== At 01:45 AM 12/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >when you warm up, start on a 4th line F and play four quarter notes then a >whole note and go down the chromatic scale as far as you can. then, start >back on F and go up the chromatic scale as high as you can. don't pinch or >apply a lot of pressure in the higher octave. make this a part of your daily >routine. also, practice a lot of slurs in the upper octave (as well as >lower). not only will that increase range, but it will improve your >technique. here's a buzzing excercise that i picked up from a trombone >player (Ron Wilkins) who can play a range of 7 octaves: > >1. Start buzzing high and go as low as possible. >2. Start as low as you can and buzz as high as possible. >3. Start low, go high as you can, then back low as you can. >4. Start high, go as low as you can, then back high as you can. >5. Start on an F and buzz up as high as you can, then go as low as you can. >6. Start on an F and buzz down as low as you can, then go as high as you can. > >Tips for the exercises: > >Do each exercise 4-5 times. Always work higher and go from your extreme on >the last time. > >Do not start the buzz by tonguing. Blow the lip open by starting with a >"who" attack. > >Do not buzz too loudly. It is better to buzz soft as soft and high are very >similar. > >Do not let your corners move as you work through these exercises. Make one >embouchure setting do all the work. > >Rest as much as you buzz. (Ex. buzz, rest, buzz, rest) > >When you get as high as you can go with the mouthpiece open, close off the >end to develop back pressure and work the exercise with the end partially >closed. This works for extended range. > >This exercise should be practiced in front of a mirror. Watch yourself and >look for problems. You may lose three days of progress for each day you >don't work. Remember, rest as much as you work, always play a low note for >every high note, and play soft as much as you play loud. You can't teach a >tired lip something new as the lips work best in their relaxed state. A warm >up should relax the lip and establish good blood flow. > >Hope this helps. I know it did me. I increased my range almost a whole >octave. > >Kristina >Northside High Symphonic Band(Euphonium) >Jazz (Trombone, Sax) >Pianist > From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:14:09 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <19991230041409.55271.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sure, that kind of range is practical. You gotta have the full pedal range for starters, and then it's a matter of extending up from high Bb to altissimo Bb, on up to the Bb above that, then up a little more to the next one. There are a few trumpet players out there who, if altissimo C is the same as double-high C, can get up to quadruple-high C; the seventh octave is to the same relative range on the 'bone. It's not necessarily super-pretty up there, but anyone who can nail a quadruple-high Bb on trombone will have a pretty relaxed double-high Bb and sound even smoother going on down. My total range is five octaves and a little bit, but my performance-reliable range is about four octaves on either tenor or bass. Practicing that fifth octave goes more toward making my middle registers work better, since I have yet to look at an altissimo F on bass and an altissimo Gb on tenor. Being able to play seven octaves is like being a trumpet player but with pedal tones and, of course, a slide. ;) Theoretically, then, the trombone has the greatest range of all the brass instruments and maybe even of all the wind instruments. -Aaron R. >Peter, > >Believe it. I study under Ron. He has that kind of range. > >Mike Landis > > >Peter Anderson wrote: > > > good advice....but I'm dubious about the claim of a 7 octave range! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:19:36 GMT From: "Christopher Smith" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Lead pipes Message-ID: <19991230041936.70144.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Les wrote: The #1 is most open, #3 the tightest, and #2 in the middle. ++++++++ This differs from my experience. My Minick 100H has three leadpipes which show opposite characteristics than what you've described. The #1 is the longest, and most "tight" or resistant. The #3 is the shortest, and most "free-blowing". I prefer bigger-sounding jazz horns, and used the #3 pipe on the Minick until finding another (even shorter and more open) pipe which I prefer. Later, Christo http://www.geocities.com/~christo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:20:33 EST From: NHSGrizzly16@aol.com To: sabutin@mindspring.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone playing tips Message-ID: <0.d48ec6b5.259c3791@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit with.....you can do it without, but it's tougher. if possible, do both From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:45:33 -0800 From: Larry White To: Richard.Marple@CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Digestable Message-ID: <386AE36C.468DA1EE@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who says he passed it? He digested and is in constant use of it. This is not roughage. This is nourishment! Larry White "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" wrote: > Adrian, I just want to know how you passed it, slide first or tuning slide > first?? :~) > > Rick Marple > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 2:44 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:32 PM > Subject: Screw Bells - square? quadro? > > > Would not the ultimate travel trombone be a screw bell quadraslide? That > > should really work as a carry on. > > Nope, the ultimate is dehydrated trombone powder. It comes in a handy 3" x > 2" sachet that you can slip into your shirt pocket. There's no airline in > the world that refuses it as a carry on. > > There's only one problem. I once got indigestion after an on board meal and > drank my trombone by mistake. > > Adrian > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:21 1999 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:06:25 -0800 From: "Les Benedict" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lead pipes Message-ID: <004201bf5283$ce09b7c0$cd7f1d26@s8y2d3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My #3 is longer, which is why I chose it initially; the #1 is shortest. Les Benedict lesbenedict@earthlink.net > My Minick 100H has three leadpipes which show opposite characteristics than > what you've described. > > The #1 is the longest, and most "tight" or resistant. > The #3 is the shortest, and most "free-blowing". From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:22 1999 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Grissom To: Les Benedict Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lead pipes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Les, After playing Super Olds for most of my lifetime I was fortunate to obtain a 1979 dated Super Olds (in mint condition) this past year. Have any idea what kind of lead pipe came in that stock model? Gene Grissom On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Les Benedict wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >I am now a member of the club, having just acquired a Conn 100-H [snip] > >My question is: can any one describe the characteristics of the three > leadpipes? [snip] > >I understand the 100-H to incorporate changes made by Larry Minnick to the > 6H. Does anyone know what those changes were and what the >intended purpose > was? > > > >Rod Ellard > > I bought my 100-H a year ago, after playing Minicks for about 18 years. I > still have a Minick, but prefer my 100-H for most situations. When I phoned > Ira Nepus to tell him I was playing a 100-H (he does, also), he asked me > which pipe I was using, and I told him the #3. His response was, "You can't > be playing the three!" Well, I re-evaluated, and am now playing (mostly) the > #1. The #1 is most open, #3 the tightest, and #2 in the middle. To me, the > choice depends on what you play most, stylistically. I double a lot on tuba, > so the more open feel works for me pretty much. If I were doing more solo > jazz playing, I might opt for the #3. (My "legit" horn is an 8-H, with a > Bach 3-type mp). > > One of the changes Larry made was to the bracing, making it more > user-friendly (ergonomic). My Minicks are very comfortable to hold, and my > 100-H isn't quite as comfortable, but I guess Conn (UMI) decided the > straight braces were more stable, or less subject to stress-misalignment. I > prefer Larry's design. I'd rather have the slide periodically re-aligned and > opt for comfort. Larry's slide is better, and I went through a situation > with my 100-H slide, which UMI's Fred Powell very satisfactorily worked with > me. I still prefer the action of my Minick slide, but I like the way the > Conn slide plays, or feels, with the horn. > > The metal of Larry's own bells seem to be thicker than the 6-H/100-H, but > the 100-H seems to me to be more versatile overall, playing-wise. I like it > a lot. > > Les Benedict > lesbenedict@earthlink.net > http://expage.com/page/goldrushband > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:22 1999 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:02:50 EST From: Servo149@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Screw Bells - square? quadro? Message-ID: <0.d1a544a0.259c4f8a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK you guys, we're trombone players so aren't we all kind of screw bells? But what I can't stand is when someone calls me either a square or a quadro. Just my $0.02 Tate Addis From ???@??? Thu Dec 30 06:05:22 1999 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:34:08 EST From: Rug129@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Leaving for a month Message-ID: <0.5ade4e85.259c64f0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey list, To anyone who is interested, yes both of you, I will be unsubscribing for a month. My job wants me to help save one of their bases at the Atlanta airport before they loose all of their contracts. I would ask where the swingin clubs are in Atlanta but I am leaving in 8 hours and I still have to pack (I just found out yesterday morning). I will check my email again before I leave but I will be unsubbed by that time. Yes, I know I could suspend my subscription but I may end up using a different screenname just for trombone-l when I get back. I hope everyone has a wonderful new year's party and that you will all be safe if you are going to be driving at all. Josh Reynolds Bass Trombone, Tenor Trombone, Tuba, Euphonium, Trumpet, Shells and Digiredoo Ps Yes, I, AM taking my horns with me.