TROMBONE-L Digest 1547 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Bach Linkages by 108509@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au (Simon Greatwood) 2) church music by rkalwas@mail.monroe.edu 3) Re: sluggish trigger by "Art Triggs" 4) thanks for sluggish trigger advice by Charles 5) American Federation of Musicians by "John McVey" 6) RE: Yamaha Alto Trombone by "Dilshad Kasmani" 7) Serpentists at Amiens Cathedral by Douglas Yeo 8) RE: breath and two schools by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 9) Re: American Federation of Musicians by EPucci1023@aol.com 10) Re: Bach Linkages by "Robert Osmun" 11) Musicians and Physicians by BUNTING N W Dr 12) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by "Adrian Drover" 13) Re: church music by "Adrian Drover" 14) Fw: UN Hunger Site by gcherry@interchange.ubc.ca 15) RE: UN Hunger Site by BrianB@PR-CN.COM 16) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by Gonzalo Fernandez 17) TROMBONE-L OUTAGE NOTICE by Listmonitor Trombone-L 18) Please Do Not Send (was: UN Hunger Site) by Listmonitor Trombone-L 19) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by "Tom Izzo" 20) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by "David Morrow" 21) Re: Free Seasonal MP3's by Nick Drozdoff 22) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by "Tom Izzo" 23) Re: church music by "Dynamic Music" 24) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by MikeSuter@aol.com 25) Mutes by Steven Marquardt 26) Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone by paulel9@bellsouth.net 27) Adrian by Earl Needham 28) Welcome back, Adrian by Matmutt@aol.com 29) Rimsky-korsakov by Trmbman@aol.com 30) Re: New List Member by "Aaron Roth" 31) Adrian by Chris Waage 32) Palm Pilot VII, and accessing the trombone list serve by "David S Staines" 33) Trombones by Steven Marquardt 34) TPIN Cryogenic testing update by BRASSRX@aol.com 35) Bach 50B3 and Edwards bell for sale by BASSBENGE@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:54:21 GMT From: 108509@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au (Simon Greatwood) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bach Linkages Message-ID: <3860c983.988086@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I have just purchases a s/h bach 36B from the mid seventies with the really uncomfortable ball joint linkage. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to replace this with? I understand that the Clontz linkages are out of production and I live in Australia anyway. Thanks in advance Simon Greatwood Melbourne, Australia From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:04:24 -0500 From: rkalwas@mail.monroe.edu To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: church music Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991222090424.007968d0@mail.monroe.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You might also try Hickeys for trombone ensemble music. They carry the Ensemble Publications list, which contains some good titles. Bob Kalwas From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:08:46 -0500 From: "Art Triggs" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: sluggish trigger Message-ID: <004201bf4c86$110174e0$f6a315ac@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sluggish triggers can be caused by several things, but they are all fairly simple so it is easy enough to fix them all, make sure your valve is lubricated, and clean, it shouldmove freely, then if you have a ball and socket type linkage make sure it is clean and lubricated properly - if you have a string linkage, make sure that it is adjusted properly, then check the trigger itself, the spring should be strong enough to return the trigger back when activated, - the "hinge" bracket and screw should all be cleaned and lubricated as well, I use a heavy gear oil for my valve linkages,(metal ball and socket) on a plastic linkage you may want to use something that would not attack the plastic, anhydrous lanonlin comes to mind, it is very thick so a little goes a very long way - I use this for tuning slides also. If you don't want to do this yourself, then a decent repair person should be able to do it for you fairly quickly. Hope this helps, Happy Holidays, Art Triggs ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 5:17 AM Subject: sluggish trigger > Anybody have a remedy for a (very) sluggish trigger? > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:25:52 -0500 From: Charles To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: thanks for sluggish trigger advice Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19991222132552.00696b64@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I received several helpful replies with instructions for my problem. They all contained the same basic advice that I will try to follow. Thanks to everyone who responded! From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:02:41 -0500 From: "John McVey" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: American Federation of Musicians Message-ID: <8525684F.0052A798.00@m-ms03.frb.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline What are the advantages and disadvantages of being a member of the AFM? Any comments? Good reasons to be a member? Good reasons not to be a member? Good stories? Horror stories? What are work dues and what percentage of your gig are they? thanks, John From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:07:53 -0800 From: "Dilshad Kasmani" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <000501bf4c82$f7442140$9800aec7@zrrs1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, the YSL-6xx is their standard professional line - while the YSL-8xx was their "custom" line. Not custom in the sense of an Edwards or Shires - but rather, just hand picked parts that are assembled by one craftsman. The 6xx line was made in an assembly line type method. I'm sure that someone on the list with an older Yamaha catalogue could provide a little more information. dk -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Gonzalo Fernandez Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 3:51 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Yamaha Alto Trombone hello, Could somebody let me know what is the difference between Yamaha Alto Trombone model YSL-671, and the model YSL-871 Thank you very much in advance. Have a nice holyday!!!!! Gonzalo Fernandez From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:29:35 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Serpentists at Amiens Cathedral Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello, trombone-l friends, I've postponed myself from the list for a couple of weeks due to the Christmas holiday, but I thought I would get on again just to let you know about this interesting subject. Any help any of you can provide would be gratefully appreciated. Please respond privately. I have recently come into possession of an exquisite mid 19th century print of serpentists playing in the choir of Amiens Cathedral (France). I have been asked to write a short article about the print for the Historic Brass Society Journal (2001) - the print will also be reproduced in the Journal. The print may be viewed online in my website at: http://www.yeodoug.com/amiens.html I look forward to your comments regarding this very interesting print! Please feel free to forward this URL to anyone (or any email lists, such as those devoted to art prints, etc) you know who might be able to assist in my gaining more information about the artist who may have drawn the print as well as anyone who might have information about serpentists and music making at Amiens which would assist me in my research for the article. I will be in Paris in May 2000 for a week (on tour with the Boston Symphony) and look forward to doing more on-site research at that time. All the best for the new year, -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:46:34 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: hgsamp@compudata.com.ar, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: breath and two schools Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE2082E2E@LEE2> That is possibly true - that the same player starts with a large and powerful breath and later learns to use a relaxed conversational breath. But that is not the way either school of thought describes it. The conversational people describe starting that way, and the other side (with the flow venturis, etc.) always talk about moving lots of air. Very confusing to some of us! Back many years I recall people insisting on a rock hard abdomen and extreme levels of "support", whatever that means. Now that advice has largely disappeared, with no ill effect on playing. Hmmh. David Fetter wrote a series of posts that I found helpful. Reading between the lines a little, he told me more about how to learn to breathe than how to breathe while playing. (hope I'm not misquoting) If you really cut to the chase though, if the conversational breath works, then the rest of it must just be a crock! Except for super loud volume on bass trombone (yeah, I know that's redundant) the trombone may not take enough air, and certainly not enough air pressure, to matter. There may be transition from big breath to little breath players. There is probably also a transition from chops players to air players. It seems to be list consensus that the good players are air players, not chops players in what they focus on. I suspect most of the good players, except the purely natural, instinctive ones who don't really know what they are doing, started as chops players and transitioned to air players only after the emboucure concept was developed and stabilized. yours, tim richardson still a chops player, but working on it > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugo Garcma Sampedro [SMTP:hgsamp@compudata.com.ar] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 2:09 PM > To: astro@pconline.com; Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: RE: breath > > <<....Anyway, I'm not even sure if two schools of thought exist any more > concerning breathing. What do you guys do?>> > > Hello > I 'm not so sure about this difference concerning breathing schools. I > think that it is more like different steps in the development of the > breathing system, or different departure points to start from or to focus > on. > You can't play the trombone seriously without a well developed breathing > system, which provides you with a good air support, and I doubt that you > can > manage to have and control all that amount of air in a "simple" > conversational fashion rigth from the beguinning. What I believe is that > first we must develop the breathing system (different technics) and then, > when we are "plenty" of air (and room for that air), we can breath (and > play) in a more relaxed "conversational style" . In my experience, > players > that speaks about the "conversational breathing style" always has a very > well developed breathing system (aware or not). What I mean is that the > conversational style is (IMHO) more the end of the way of learning to > breathe, than the beguinning of it. Obviously, it will not be exactly the > same for players with a very strong and big lung capacity, but the main > principle remains the same. > > With the hope of been useful > -Hugo > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:53:46 EST From: EPucci1023@aol.com To: john.mcvey@frb.gov, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: American Federation of Musicians Message-ID: <0.b2bddefe.25924e0a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John: I can only speak on behalf of my local in Poughkeesie, New York where I am the Secretary Treasurer. We have a health insurance plan which is a great benefit to our members and is the cause of many joining. In the old days the Union ran the music business but today you could play all your life and unless you play in a situation where a union agreement is in force ( most orchestras, national tours of musicals, some touring acts) you never "have" to be a union member. It was always said that the union does nothing. Well we are trying to change that with a marketing appraoch to get people to choose live music over DJs and create a supportive enviornment for members where they can network. We are also trying to get invlvoved with schools with educational programs and concerts developing future audiences, cultivating new members and giving work to our members as seminars givers. Work dues vary from local to local . At our local the $110 yearly dues is augmented by 1% of scale for defined performances ( ie if you play a club date for $100 you owe 1% of the scale for that date $1) This is a very small fee and there is an honor system for payment. In our union rather than have members disclose thier finances we are considering a ticket scheme where you buy a ticket at the end of the year to satisfy work dues based on your yearly musician earnings with a $50 cap. Hopefully where you are the progressive forces which are trying to remake the AFM for the next century are at work and not old school "Pay or you don't work" exploiters of years past. The image of a crusty business agent raiding a club looking for union cards and extorting work dues is hopefully a nightmare of the past and will never come again. It is our hope that musicians will join to be part of a professional brotherhood much in way I am a member of the ITG or TUBA. Various forms of insurance, an occasional MPTF job may be reason enough to join but hopefully there will be many more direct and indirect benefits to being part of an organization dedicated to preserving and promoting live music. Bob Pucci Secretary/Treasurer Local 238-291 AFM From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:01:02 -0500 From: "Robert Osmun" To: <108509@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au>, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach Linkages Message-ID: <002001bf4c9e$21254e60$26dec0d1@233.85.19.192.233.145.6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We like minibal links. Check out our page at http://www.osmun.com/site/prod_serv/services/miniball_links.htm. We can switch out the lever and stop arm for you so you don't have to send the entire instrument. We would need a drawing of the end of your stop arm (the part under the screw) so that we could supply the correct part. Bob Osmun Osmun Music http://www.osmun.com 800 223-7846 "We're serious about music" ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Greatwood <108509@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au> To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 7:54 AM Subject: Bach Linkages > Hi all, > > I have just purchases a s/h bach 36B from the mid seventies with the > really uncomfortable ball joint linkage. Does anyone have any > suggestions as to what to replace this with? I understand that the > Clontz linkages are out of production and I live in Australia anyway. > > Thanks in advance > > Simon Greatwood > Melbourne, Australia > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:17:30 -0000 From: BUNTING N W Dr To: Trombone-L Subject: Musicians and Physicians Message-ID: <17FD488B2E65D311B4EE009027AA4C3BB285@PCGSERV1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain There have recently been threads on the list regarding various afflictions that have been causing pain and suffering to list members. (As I fall into both the above categories), this got me thinking about the advice given to musicians on medical matters; and I would be very pleased to hear of any stories, successes, failures etc that you have had when in (hopefully infrequent) encounters with docs. Of course, anything you tell me would be confidential, but perhaps if you would feel safer, feel free to relate your tales from a free-mail site with a false name... Of course, the less bashful could just post straight to the list :-o The idea is perhaps to develop a FAQ site, but mainly for my own education. Regards, Nick Bunting From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:59:51 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <000201bf4cbc$db271f00$0b9701d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Gonzalo Fernandez To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: Yamaha Alto Trombone > Could somebody let me know what is the difference between Yamaha Alto > Trombone model YSL-671, and the model YSL-871 That's easy. YSL-200. Didn't even need a calculator. Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:59:59 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: church music Message-ID: <000301bf4cbc$df1c4e00$0b9701d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Starkey To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:21 PM Subject: church music > Last year I was asked to be Instrumental Music Director at church and I > decided to give it a shot > I haven't bought any music for it yet. Do any of you know of any good > arrangements for a church trombone quartet? I can sincerely recommend Dave Hankin at Dynamic Music for your needs. dynamicMusic@BtInternet.com Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:58:14 -0800 From: gcherry@interchange.ubc.ca To: aaronb@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, abet825844@aol.com, adurham@home.com, andrew.clayden@sympatico.ca, apoirier@interchange.ubc.ca, Subject: Fw: UN Hunger Site Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Friends and family, This is for real (I know, you get a lot of these, especially this time of year, however the following is a good deed for us to do today and tomorrow. Just go to the site below and the sponsors will each donate a 1/3 cup of food (grain) to poor around the world. The United Nations is part of the deal and the 12 sponsors on the page (who hope to get a bit of your business I guess) each give the equivilent in money for the 1/3 cup of grain. I sounds good, but..... Gordon, ====================== Quite clever of the UN to do this. Go to the Hunger Site at the > > UN. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some > > hungry person gets a meal to eat, at no cost to you. The food is paid > > for by corporate sponsors (who gain advertising in the process because > > you see their logo). > > > > All you do is go to the site and click. But you're only allowed > > one click per day. So spread the word to others. Visit the site > > and pass the word. > > > > http://www.thehungersite.com/ > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:19:20 -0500 From: BrianB@PR-CN.COM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: UN Hunger Site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Those of you who are skeptical (sceptical?) about this (like I usually am), can find the verification that this is legitimate here at the urban legends reference site: http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/hunger.htm Brian > > > http://www.thehungersite.com/ From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:39:09 -0500 (EST) From: Gonzalo Fernandez To: Adrian Drover Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MAN!!! ARE YOU A ""TRUMPET"" PLAYER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT??? JUST KIDDING MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Adrian Drover wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gonzalo Fernandez > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:50 PM > Subject: Yamaha Alto Trombone > > > > Could somebody let me know what is the difference between Yamaha Alto > > Trombone model YSL-671, and the model YSL-871 > > That's easy. YSL-200. Didn't even need a calculator. > > Adrian > > Adrian Drover (ADIOS) > Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk > Business: studio@adios.co.uk > www.adios.co.uk > > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:14:50 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: TROMBONE-L OUTAGE NOTICE Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The trombone-l will be off-line from 12:00 noon CST, 31 December, 1999 through 12:00 noon, 3 January, 2000. The reason for this outage is as follows: Many university and colleges plan to close their web and mail servers for this time period, and messages sent to the trombone-l which reach these servers would generate an enormous amount of error messages. This would flood the e-mail boxes of both the list monitor and Eric Nicklas, creating further problems. This would also flood the listproc computer at the University of Missouri at Columbia, and we wish to avoid that situation. With the large number of trombone-l subscribers who use educational institution-based e-mail services, we felt this was merely a prudent action, and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Perhaps the time saved with no trombone-l mail could be well invested as practice time. Warmest wishes for a safe and Happy New Year, LM From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:43:12 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: Please Do Not Send (was: UN Hunger Site) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No further discussion of this needs to take place. It is completely unrelated to trombone and related issues. LM From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:20:09 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <001101bf4cdb$797c47c0$dc75dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian has returned! > > Could somebody let me know what is the difference between Yamaha Alto > > Trombone model YSL-671, and the model YSL-871 > > That's easy. YSL-200. Didn't even need a calculator. > > Adrian Welcome back, Adrian, & in fine form, too. Tom > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:35:52 -0600 From: "David Morrow" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <001001bf4cd5$4b0dbdc0$e7ed0cd1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> Could somebody let me know what is the difference between Yamaha Alto >> Trombone model YSL-671, and the model YSL-871 > >That's easy. YSL-200. Didn't even need a calculator. > >Adrian > >Adrian Drover (ADIOS) > Welcome back, Adrian - You have been greatly missed! From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:26:11 +0000 From: Nick Drozdoff To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Free Seasonal MP3's Message-ID: <386125D3.2ED1@interaccess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been fooling around with this old beat up Besson euphonium that I have got my hands on. I have already posted once about some stuff I have recorded with it. Here are some more. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen - Improvised variations Die Bankelsangerlieder The Trepak from the Nutcracker (actually, I used an old Reynolds Tuba on this) As Joseph Was A Walking by Vaugh Williams I have also just uploaded "Creation" by Franz Joseph Haydn. It should go online by either the end of the day tomorrow or Friday. The folks at MP3.COM are really working fast at this. All of these are availaible for free at mp3.com until I finish off my goffy little CD project in the next few weeks. Here's the url: http://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff I am just messing with this stuff because I love the brass music that I get to play during the Cristmas and Easter Seasons. I just want to share it. Obviously, most of you are already playing this stuff, hence I am preaching to the choir! I am also certain that most of you are much better at this than I am! As a lurker, I am impressed with the things I see here. But I hope that maybe some of you might enjoy these at least a little. Have a happy and safe holiday season. Nick Drozdoff http://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff http://www.drozdoff.com http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/3941 From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:28:58 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <001101bf4ce5$1658bfc0$dc75dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > MAN!!! > ARE YOU A ""TRUMPET"" PLAYER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT??? No, but close. Adrian is a converted Cornetist/Clarinetist. Tom > JUST KIDDING > MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:02:21 -0000 From: "Dynamic Music" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: church music Message-ID: <005201bf4ce1$84d271c0$828001d5@UKARGbq99> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Hal Starkey > > Last year I was asked to be Instrumental Music Director at church and I > > decided to give it a shot > > I haven't bought any music for it yet. Do any of you know of any good > > arrangements for a church trombone quartet? From: Adrian Drover > I can sincerely recommend Dave Hankin at Dynamic Music for your needs. > dynamicMusic@BtInternet.com > > Adrian I think you will have to use small case for each word in my address (similar to the web addresses in my signature) I can sincerely thank Adrian for his recommendation. BTW, welcome back, you old fool!!!! 8-) Dave Dave Hankin, Hamilton, Scotland - DYNAMIC MUSIC PUBLICATIONS Specialists in Trombone Ensemble music - http://www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Big Band - http://www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic/bigband.htm From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:11:46 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <0.248587cb.2592d0d2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Who's this Adrian guy? From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: 22 Dec 99 18:33:21 MST From: Steven Marquardt To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Mutes Message-ID: <19991223013321.14536.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What mutes should I have, being a student who plays both jazz and classical music? I have a harmon mute, a stone lined straight, cup, and bucket mute, and a plunger from the store. Is there any others that I might run into in high school literature? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:44:22 -0600 From: paulel9@bellsouth.net To: MikeSuter@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Yamaha Alto Trombone Message-ID: <38617E76.C39EEE59@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeSuter@aol.com wrote: > > <> > > Who's this Adrian guy? Adrian Drover is a British composer/arranger/trombonist well known in the music community and beloved by many members of trombone-l for his skill and his droll wit. Here's his home page. check out http://www.adios.co.uk -- E. PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA PAULEL9@BELLSOUTH.NET From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:13:46 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Adrian Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991222191346.03d7e88c@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:59 PM 12/22/99 -0000, Adrian Drover wrote: HEY! ADRIAN'S BACK! YAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW! It's sure good to see ya'! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:16:05 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Welcome back, Adrian Message-ID: <0.743e4cc9.2592dfe5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Adrian; Where ya been? I'm sure I speak for many listers in saying that we've missed your quick wit and perceptive observations of the music world in general and trombonology in particular. What good's a list if you can't have a little fun. As for our anally retentive brethern who take offense, lets be generous in keeping with the holiday spirit and give them a little plug. }:)> Welcome back Larry Priori Welcome back, Larry Priori From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:18:05 EST From: Trmbman@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Rimsky-korsakov Message-ID: <0.eebadecf.2592ee6d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I happen to be posting this looking for a recording of the Rimsky-Korsakov Concerto for Trombone. If you know the artist and title it would greatly be appreciated. Trombone and Euphonium Player Visit my Webpage at Http://Wactrm.tripod.com or contact me at Trmbman@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:43:12 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: New List Member Message-ID: <19991223034313.44489.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Scales!!!! By the way, do you mean low D or Pedal D (five ledger lines below)? You're in good shape for the time being down low if you have the full bass range. As for up high, my story is scales. They get me where I need to get. Of course, everyone else has a variation or a completely different method for getting a smooth, consistent sound in all registers including the extremes. But I just play scales to all ends of the range, all different kinds of articulations. -Aaron Roth >I am also new to this list. I would be very happy to find out any good >routines to improve my range (currently peddle D to high D). Or any other >good practice routines to make myself the best player I can be. I >currently >play a professional Olds Silver "Superstar." Its a dual bore but it still >fits a normal tenor's mouthpiece because of its medium shank. I play all >the >time and I'd like maybe some information on whats the best way to >improve... >sometimes I think playing too much seems to slow me down. If someone could >tell me how I can tell when I've played too much... Id be appriative too! >Thanx again fellow TBones. By the way I go to Millard South in Omaha NE >and >I am a junior in high school > >Fellow trombonist, >Frank Opal ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:09:36 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Adrian Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought Rocky Balboa was fond of calling his name . . . "Yo, Adrian!" However, I did some research and discovered it was a rather homely female with whom Rocky was enamoured. As for Adrian Drover, he's quite a character. Witch doctor, midwife, underwater basketweaver grade IV, Guinness taste-tester, and not a bad arranger to boot . . . Welcome back, Adrian - 'tis the Season for holiday hijinks! Chris _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com http://www.waageworks.com "Wisdom comes from Knowledge. Knowledge comes from Good Judgement. Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement." _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:45:21 -0500 From: "David S Staines" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Palm Pilot VII, and accessing the trombone list serve Message-ID: <004001bf4d00$8ae27960$0a9b9cd1@staines1> Listers, Does anyone on the list access the trombone list serve through an internet service called Palmnet? My wife purchased a 3Com Palm Pilot VII as a Christmas gift this year for me, and I was wondering if anyone uses it to download email. Since I sometimes play with an Orchestra (conducted by a string guy -- so I may play 3 notes a night) this little toy may come in handy to read my list-mail during the long rests. It has a built in modem, that will connect you to the internet from anywhere. I can also hotsync my email from my desktop computer, and read it offline, saving the big connect fee. Any comments? I am new to Palm Computing, and was surprised to learn that I had more than a datebook to keep track of my gigs. David Staines 2nd Trombone Buffalo Silver Band From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: 22 Dec 99 21:59:55 MST From: Steven Marquardt To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Trombones Message-ID: <19991223045955.3472.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is kind of strange, there's a banner that says have great sex every day for the rest of your life. I wonder why that is on an email server? Oh well, now for trombones. I want to get a used Bach Stradivarius 42T, but I'll still have my Bach 300 for football games. I think I want to buy the piccolo soon, then the Bach Stradivarius. I realize I can't play the piccolo full time right now(or when I get it I mean), because it will kill my tenor playing. This banner is still distracting me. Ahhh. Now I lost my thought. Oh yah. Once I get out of college I'm going to be a music teacher, so I will be able to play piccolo then. I think I probably won't have much money available for buying instruments in college, though. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:38:01 EST From: BRASSRX@aol.com To: tpin@parnassus.dana.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: TPIN Cryogenic testing update Message-ID: <0.957da78.25930f39@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TPIN Cryogenic test continues: To get everyone up to speed, John Lynch has complete the first spectra analysis of our four trumpets and shipped them back to me in which I will cryogenically process three of the four trumpets. The one not frozen will only be know to me until the final tabulation of the results from all the play test and 2nd spectra results. So while we are making progress, this is taking longer than I hoped. Please everyone hang in there and we will try to wrap this up ASAP. Right now the three trumpets are in the cryogenic processor at about -285F moving slowly to below -300F+. Hopefully early next week our four play testers (John Hagstrom, Nick Drozdoff, Mark Ponzo, and Stanton Kramer) will make it in to complete the 2nd phase of the testing and then back to John for the final analysis. Thanks to all the good TPIN folks who made contributions to the shipping fund, I will post a complete list here of these good and wonderful TPIN folks who made an effort to financially support this test. Thanks all ... more to follow. Wayne Tanabe The Brass Bow Music Co. 101 N. Hickory Ave Arlington Hts. IL 60004 847-253-7552 Brassrx@aol.com www.thebrassbow.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 23 09:45:57 1999 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:50:37 EST From: BASSBENGE@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bach 50B3 and Edwards bell for sale Message-ID: <0.5aaec3aa.2593122d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all list members- I have a Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone for sale. It is a standard Bach with Minnick conversion done to the valves. Eric Swanson has done his conversion on the linkages. My asking price is $1800. The Edwards bell is a 1033 which is a 20 gauge, 9 1/2 inch red brass bell with a soldered rim. My asking price on it is $300. I anyone is interested in either of these items, please contact me privately. Thank you, Jon Bohls