TROMBONE-L Digest 1543 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Bass Bones by 108509@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au (Simon Greatwood) 2) Re: 2000 bad notes by Matmutt@aol.com 3) Alt.music trombone by Zemry@aol.com 4) The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds by Chris Waage 5) Re: breath by Dave Burch 6) Exercise/long tones/legato, etc by kingbone@earthlink.net 7) Re: breath by Dave Burch 8) Happy Holidays] by "Joe L. Norcross" 9) Re: Alt.music trombone by " Dan Cloutier" 10) Top 100 of the 20th Century... by Wayne Dyess 11) Performing a bit of Bach by John Capon 12) Re: Top 100 of the 20th Century... by Mike Coyle 13) Re: breath and Merry Merry by John Capon 14) Is this great!!! by Gordon Cherry 15) practice mutes by Doug Dawson 16) Bozza recording by Doug Dawson From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:01:23 GMT From: 108509@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au (Simon Greatwood) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bass Bones Message-ID: <385c7779.3444397@wilbur.ld.swin.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, can anyone give me info on a "selmer sterling" bass trombone - serial no. 110** and/or a boosey and hawkes imperial "55S" sn 367*** I have seen these hors advertised cheap in Australia, but have not been able to get info on them. Thanks, Simon From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:33:34 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: 2000 bad notes Message-ID: <0.45b33383.258ce72e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whew! I saw this topic and thought someone had written my unauthorized biography ! Happy Holidays Larry Priori ( the passionate amateur) From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:58:32 EST From: Zemry@aol.com To: jjjohnson-list@list.sirius.com, TROMBONE-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Alt.music trombone Message-ID: <0.4cceacda.258ced08@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone else had trouble hooking to to trombone newsgroup? I use AOL to get there and my trombone newsgroup was gone yesterday! I tried to resubscribe and was told that the newsgroup was no longer valid!! From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:47:12 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu, Trombone-L Subject: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seasons Greetings from the Online Trombone Journal! 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Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:22:40 -0500 From: Dave Burch To: astro@pconline.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: breath Message-ID: <385BA6BF.45C9C31@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Coyle wrote: > When I was studying with Don Knaub at Eastman...we would > do breath exercises to help expand the chest cavity and work on quick > inhalations and very slow exhalations so that we'd be prepared to play long > phrases with little problem. Remington, on the other hand, used to > advocate playing as often as possible with a "conversational" breath - > literally using what air you'd take in during normal conversation, and > staying very relaxed.... > > Anyway, I'm not even sure if two schools of thought exist any more > concerning breathing. What do you guys do? Mike, let me belatedly welcome you to the list. You've asked some really good questions, including this one. For the time being, I guess I'm in the Knaub "school", though anything can change as one continues to develop. I've always had a problem with running out of air too soon, in singing as well as in brass playing. However, for the last year or more, I've been doing the deep breathing exercises described by Ed Kleinhammer in 'The Art of Trombone Playing', and strangely enough, it's helping. Briefly, I stand erect, in my skivvies to allow full expansion, and draw in as much air as I can hold. I keep the air in for ten seconds entirely -- and this is critical -- entirely by use of the muscles that draw in air. You MUST NOT close your thoat to hold the air in. During the ten seconds, I wiggle my shoulders and back around slightly, searching for the posture that maximizes expansion room. At the end of the count, I draw in MORE air -- I always find more room after the muscles and ligaments have had ten seconds to stretch -- then slowly let it out, again keeping the throat open and relaxed, using only the inhalation muscles to control the outflow. I do this four times in the morning and four again in the evening, making double use of the time by drawing on my AsthmaCort inhaler as I inhale. I rarely have to cut a phrase short on tenor enymore, and even bass no longer seems hopeless. This kind of deep breathing is not antithetical to "staying very relaxed". In fact, you must stay relaxed to avoid "pinching" the air, in Kleinhammer's words, between abdominal muscles trying to expel it and throat muscles trying to hold it in. I used to be a serial pincher, for sure, but these exercises have helped me overcome that bad breathing habit with a better one. Maybe someone with a huge lung capacity could make good use "conversational" breathing. I suspect that someone with marginal capacity, as I seem to have, must learn to make use of every milliliter when the music requires it, without allowing the exertion of full inhalation to cause tension. -- ------ Dave Burch ------ ---- Hamilton, Ohio ---- -- daveburch@fuse.net -- 2nd baritone, Cincinnati Brass Band http://cincinnati.brassband.com 1999 Honors Section *Winners*, North American Brass Band Association Church and community trombonist Baritone voice, Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Chorale http://www.hfso.org/ Baroque recorder player (sort of) Senior programmer/analyst in integration and data warehousing Mercy Health Partners @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ It's never too late to have a happy childhood @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:29:32 -0500 From: kingbone@earthlink.net To: "Trombone forum." Subject: Exercise/long tones/legato, etc Message-ID: <385BA85A.3FC674C7@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The discussion of Emory Remington's long tones exercises reminded me of a favorite method book: Buddy Baker's Tenor Trombone Method. It is a comprehensive set of exercises that take in a great warmup routine, legato scales in all keys, multiple tonguing, chromatics and more. It is often overlooked but it is a very valuable resource recommended to me by my teacher, who was a pupil of Baker in his college days. Should be available through any music store, and is sold on the web by Hickey's www.hickeys.com. Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:40:40 -0500 From: Dave Burch To: astro@pconline.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: breath Message-ID: <385BAAF8.C322A20@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One more thing, while we're on the subject: When I dress for a performance, I wear suspenders, allowing me to loosen my belt. I wear pants I bought a size too large in the waist. I own two such pairs, one tan and one black, that I use only for playing. Maybe I'm a fanatic, but it really helps, when the pressure of playing in public hits me, to know that my pants aren't keeping me from inhaling. --Dave Burch From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:27:02 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombone" , Subject: Happy Holidays] Message-ID: <000101bf496e$bcb25fe0$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope all of you will have a better holiday than I will. On Thursday of next week, the 23rd, I am having a triple bypass, I guess I have had a heart all along. I will be off the list for a week to 10 days and will miss you all greatly. ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:48:36 -0800 From: " Dan Cloutier" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Alt.music trombone Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:58:32 Zemry wrote: >Has anyone else had trouble hooking to to >trombone newsgroup? I use AOL to get there >and my trombone newsgroup was gone yesterday! >I tried to resubscribe and was told that the >newsgroup was no longer valid!! Yet another reason not to use AOL. The newsgroup is still there--alive and kicking. Maybe you could access it through www.deja.com --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:24:27 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: "James M. Simmons" Cc: Trombone-L Subject: Top 100 of the 20th Century... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" NPR website... Interesting! http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/vote/list100.html The 100 most important American musical works of the 20th century. See if you agree... And Happy Holidays! W.D. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ _/ _/ _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Old trombone players never die; They just slide away! From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 99 11:06:29 -0700 From: John Capon To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Performing a bit of Bach Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi folks, I am performing the Bouree s 1 and 2 and the Gigue from Suite #3 of the Suites for Unaccompanied Cello and the Air in D by J.S. Bach tomorrow as part of a concert by the Gabriola Chamber Players. Gabriola United Church, 3:00pm and 7:30pm. Fun concert. Candlelight. Wish be luck please!! John John Capon Music Director, Malaspina Choir Artistic Director, Summer Jazz Academy Brass Instructor, Malaspina University/College Leader, John Capon Quartet Music Director, Gabriola Chamber Players R.R. 1, Site 3, C14 Gabriola, BC, Canada V0R 1X0 phone: 250 247 8531 http://www.islandnet.com/~bigbird/ Watch for new CD - "Full Circle" check the above web site for where to buy and when. I now have product and copies are their way to outlets. Email: bigbird@islandnet.com fax: 250 247 9357 (please phone 250 247 8531 first to make sure fax is on) From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:16:28 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: DyessJW@hal.lamar.edu Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Top 100 of the 20th Century... Message-ID: <199912181916.NAA14290@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That list says a lot in proof of some of the things we've been discussing lately about popular vs. classical music. And, I think it certainly points up that much of the music we discuss here is WAY outside the popular norm. I won't conclude that we are therefore elitists becuase of our discriminating tastes, but it does show to a degree that the types of music most enjoyed by, ummm, let's say, people like those on trombone-l, are not a part of the mainstream, and that does tend to set us apart a bit (passing no judgement or making no claims here though - simply stating it because it seems relevant to our recent discussions of music). There were so few "classical" pieces on the list, and those that were there are not entirely representative of the best we have to offer (for instance it included Reich's "Drumming" but not the Bartok Concerto for Orchestra [written during Bartok's residency in the U.S.] - the "Grand Canyon Suite" but not Bernstein's "Candide"). I always find it interesting to see what is considered popular - I almost always find out how out-of-touch I am with much of modern culture. However, it DOES include "Crazy" and the "Theme From Shaft", so, how can I complain :) Mike At 12:24 PM 12/18/99 , you wrote: > >NPR website... Interesting! > >http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/vote/list100.html > >The 100 most important American musical works of the 20th century. >See if you agree... > >And Happy Holidays! >W.D. > > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ > _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ > _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ > _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ > _/ _/ > _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ > _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ > _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >Old trombone players never die; >They just slide away! > From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 99 12:02:49 -0700 From: John Capon To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: breath and Merry Merry Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi, OK, I'll get into it. One my favourite (Note Canadian Spelling) topics. One of the great things about studying with Arnold Jacobs was that he got me to think about air in a way that made huge sense. I say to my students and to myself, the song lives in the breath or the air. So, one THINKS TO MUSIC WITH THE BREATH. Now, we use the syllables "tah, tee, toh, da, dee, doh, lah, lee, loh......etc." in our everyday speech and when singing. I find it a very natural way to play by thinking about these syllables occasionally. Actually, I don't like thinking when I play. But, one should learn to place the song in the wind. (sounds like Jake to me!) So, anything that is natural is good. Now, to do a LITTLE thinking. Take a natural breath and say a conversational tah and while doing this concentrate on what your breathing apparatus is doing. I find that I am doing all the things that Jake spoke about and all the things that Gordon Cherry talks about (Gord being the closest Remington expert around these parts - Happy ChanukA to you Mr. Cherry) Lots of air motion and lots of relaxing. Blah, Blah......... I heard the Vancouver Island Symphony play the John Rutter "Gloria" last night. The low brass were excellent - even though I am not playing with them anymore!! Greg Pasmore, principal, Ken Pierce, Bass Bone, Eric Morton, tuba, Mike from UVic whose last name I can't remember on second. (The Malaspina Choir was singing - they are my concern at this concert) They do it one more time tonight. Today being Saturday, December 18, 1999. Best of the Season to all and Have a Happy 2000. John John Capon Music Director, Malaspina Choir Artistic Director, Summer Jazz Academy Brass Instructor, Malaspina University/College Leader, John Capon Quartet Music Director, Gabriola Chamber Players R.R. 1, Site 3, C14 Gabriola, BC, Canada V0R 1X0 phone: 250 247 8531 http://www.islandnet.com/~bigbird/ Watch for new CD - "Full Circle" check the above web site for where to buy and when. I now have product and copies are their way to outlets. Email: bigbird@islandnet.com fax: 250 247 9357 (please phone 250 247 8531 first to make sure fax is on) From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:18:42 -0800 From: Gordon Cherry To: sauernote@aol.com, Slidearea@aol.com, , bhowland@islandnet.com, stewartd@indiana.edu, abet825844@aol.com, Subject: Is this great!!! Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Chicago Symphony Orchestra >Selection Committee >220 S. Michigan Avenue >Chicago, Illinois > >Gentlemen: > >I wish to apply immediately for the job of Second Trombone and I already >have the two trombones. Although I have not played much in an >orchestra, I have played along with lots of classic (no vocal) records. >I found that if I slowed them up a little that the songs automatically >went into the flat keys which are much easier, but I think I could do >the sharp keys in a short time. I was a student for several years of >Mr. Remington (Buck, not Emory) and then went with the circus band where >my tone really got great. You don't have to worry about me being able >to blast through on the Vogner stuff, that's for sure. After I watched >"10", I got out my horn and worked up a really great solo on "Bolero", >(do you know that there is a dance by this name too?) but I still have >trouble knowing when to come in with the record. Does your arrangement >sound the same all the way through, too? Anyway, I know that if I get >the job that the people in Chicago will like my version which is do-wop. > >Would I have to sit real close to the violins? They never seem to play >very loud and my tone sort of cuts off if I have to play too soft so it >would be best if I could sit in front of the drums, like in the circus >band. Also, I'd kind of like to sit on the outside so that people could >see me. > >I am practicing every day for the audition and am working on a new thing >called legato, but it's still a little smeary. I think you'll like it >though. But, if your music is anything like this Rubank stuff, it will >be a challenge to me -teck--techininuque--tequch- ability. There is a >position on trombones called 5th, but hardly any notes are there. Does >your music have many of these notes and if so, what are they? I'd like >to know all of this before I pay bus fare down to Chicago and how much >does the job pay? > >I'm really looking forward to coming down, but why would I have to play >behind a screen in the winter? > >Sincerely, > >Slide Rafferty > >P.S. I have lots of music stands and probably have one like you guys >use, so that would be a cost saving.-- From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:12:05 -0500 From: Doug Dawson To: Trombone-L Subject: practice mutes Message-ID: <385C7735.B574B641@bright.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please forgive me if I'm rehashing an old subject. I have never used a practice mute because I never needed to. Now I'm thinking about getting one. Any suggestions on particular brands to use or not to use? Any other thoughts on the subject? Thanks, Doug Dawson From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:14:05 -0500 From: Doug Dawson To: Trombone-L Subject: Bozza recording Message-ID: <385C77AD.2E78F840@bright.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm about to look for a recording of the Bozza Ballade. Does anybody have any favorite recordings of it they would like to recommend? Thanks, Doug Dawson