TROMBONE-L Digest 1542 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Where to get a Wallace by "Christof Schmidt" 2) Re: Wallace practice mute by Joseph Green 3) Re: Wallace practice mute (in the US) by Joseph Green 4) Salvation Army Trombone CD by Don Wampler 5) Re: Salvation Army Trombone CD by Michael Coyle 6) Re: Double reed trombones. by Dennis Clason 7) Mysterious vintage horn: A.K.Hüttl by "Aaron Roth" 8) Jerry Coker's "Hearin' the changes" - contact for Coker? by Jgicking@aol.com 9) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mysterious_vintage_horn:_A.K.H=FCttl?= by Mike 10) Re: breath by "Daniel Pliskin" 11) Re: High Range by "Daniel Pliskin" 12) Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by "Daniel Pliskin" 13) Re: archives and stuff by "Daniel Pliskin" 14) Re: Double reed trombones. by "Daniel Pliskin" 15) Re: Salvation Army CD by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 16) by Mike 17) Salvation Army CD URLs by Mike 18) Fw: More on that long tone thing by "Paul Hill" 19) Fw: More on that long tone thing by "Paul Hill" 20) trombone shout bands by Mike 21) Re: Double reed trombones. by "Art Triggs" 22) RE: trombone shout bands by "Amoury, Gerard SSG TUSAB" 23) Re: Double reed trombones. by "Aaron Roth" 24) Re: Double reed trombones. by Mike Coyle 25) Wallace mute answers by "Jeffrey S. Bonk" 26) Ebay Item #221126452 by Chad Horsley 27) 1999 ITF Tapes!?!?!?! by Chad Horsley 28) Re: Salvation Army CD by Larry White 29) Re: 1999 ITF Tapes!?!?!?! by David Oliver 30) Re: 1999 ITF Tapes!?!?!?! by Chad Horsley 31) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mysterious_vintage_horn:_A.K.H=FCttl?= by Howard Weiner 32) 2000 bad notes by Eric Burger From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:54:47 +0100 From: "Christof Schmidt" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Where to get a Wallace Message-ID: ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Christof Schmidt To: astro@pconline.com Subject: Re: practice mute Date sent: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:47:40 +0100 Yup, still got it (see below). Good luck. Christof Date sent: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:58:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Send reply to: T.T.Budd@exeter.ac.uk From: Overworked and Underpaid student To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: where to get a Wallace... Originally to: trombone-l may I suggest a shop called Myatts where you can get a Wallace practice mute, the web address is http://www.myatt.co.uk/ they have a cash converter appication on the site so you can pay in dollars instead of GBpounds at least I think thats how it works. and the mute is on the list as I have just checked, its the only Wallace mute that the have I think hope this helps you guys Date sent: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:21:45 -0600 Send reply to: astro@pconline.com From: Mike Coyle To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: practice mute > Several weeks ago we were talking about practice mutes and Christof Schmidt > mentioned this one (see below) made by Wallace. Someone else posted the > name of a store in the UK that sold these (there may have been a place in > the US mentioned as well). I must have thrown those posts out already but > need that info. Anybody out there still have it. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > At 11:42 AM 11/4/99 +0200, you wrote: > >Due to the place where I live and the lousy practice facilities here > >at uni, I really depend on my practice mute and have tried many of > >them. The one I can highly recommend is the British made > >Wallace practice mute which I've been playing for more than a year > >now. Tuning is excellent, resistance is worse on all other mutes I've > >tried and it's also quite cheap (between 20 and 25 British Pounds > >(don't know how much that is in Dollars)). Another advantage is > >that it is quite small and hardly sticks out of the bell so you can > >keep it in your horn in the gig bag. Give it a try ! > > > >Christof > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- ------- End of forwarded message ------- From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:58:27 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: Mike Coyle Subject: Re: Wallace practice mute Message-ID: <385A4F90.4FCC@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike (and anyone else interested in this subject), After reading the recommendations here on the list, I got a Wallace practice mute from the UK. I ordered it by phone and it arrived in just a few days. Good service, and I'm satisfied with the mute. Here's the contact info for the store: John Myatt Woodwind & Brass 57 Nightingale Road HITCHIN Hertfordshire SG5 1RQ (UK) Telephone: 01462 - 420057 Fax: 01462 - 435464 International dialing code: +44 1462 shop@myatt.co.uk http://www.myatt.co.uk/ (Later, someone wrote that he had them available for sale in the US, but I didn't save that info.) JG PS. I receive the digests only, so I didn't see your question until just a few minutes ago. (Patience, patience...) From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:13:11 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, Mike Coyle Subject: Re: Wallace practice mute (in the US) Message-ID: <385A5304.6257@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I found the info on getting Wallace practice mutes in the US. (This was posted on November 12.) > Contact Jeff Bonk > 202-563-8073 > Email: jbonk@ix.netcom.com JG From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:23:31 -0600 From: Don Wampler To: "trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu" Subject: Salvation Army Trombone CD Message-ID: <385A5573.96D2CD99@americancentury.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul and list, I enjoyed your post about the Salvation Army. They are a great organization in my opinion, and much deserving of our support. I've rung the bell for them in the past, but never thought about taking my trombone. Great idea! They also have some fabulous trombone players in their midst. I was recently loaned a copy of "Spiritual to the Bone" by the Salvation Army Trombone Quartet. WOA! I'm not sure where it can be purchased but it is fantastic and I would recommend it to anyyone, regardless of your listening preference. It has some terrific ensemble playing as well as some good jazz work. From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:56:26 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Coyle To: Don Wampler Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Salvation Army Trombone CD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don, Thanks for this post. I sparked a question in my little brain that has been rolling around for a while. We all know the folks on the "Trombone Luminaries" list - all those great orchestral, and jazz players out there and the few who are simply trombone soloists (Lindberg, et al.), but, what about those great players who have never achieved a big name and, frequently, don't even care to? I have met some truly wonderful musicians in my life who fit into that latter category and it always makes me think. So many people I meet in music seem to be interested, if not obsessed, with making a "name" for themselves. I am not suggesting that that is bad, but I am fascinated by those folks who are playing their hearts out at Elk's club dinners, local circus bands, small town musical theatre and no name, smoke filled rooms all over the world. And some of them are truly "world-class" players. I know one fellow (I'm not going to use his name because he'd be embarrassed to know that I did) who is one of the most sensitive and beautiful players I have ever met. His sound far exceeds that of many people I have heard who have very visible careers. I asked him why he didn't do more with his trombone playing once and he replied, "more? I love playing and I love teaching and I love music - how could I do more?" I think we often forget that there are some fantastic players out there who have never reached the level of fame as some others have (either intentionally or because they just didn't get a break) and those guys have stories that deserve to be heard. I, for one, would love to hear about your "unsung" hero or that person out there who could have been anything he wanted to be, but chose a life outside the limelight, or just never "made it" for whatever reason. Hey, chances are real good that some of us "are" that guy :) Thanks, Mike Coyle > Paul and list, > > I enjoyed your post about the Salvation Army. They are a great > organization in my opinion, and much deserving of our support. I've > rung the bell for them in the past, but never thought about taking my > trombone. Great idea! > > They also have some fabulous trombone players in their midst. I was > recently loaned a copy of "Spiritual to the Bone" by the Salvation Army > Trombone Quartet. WOA! I'm not sure where it can be purchased but it > is fantastic and I would recommend it to anyyone, regardless of your > listening preference. It has some terrific ensemble playing as well as > some good jazz work. > From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:57:12 MST From: Dennis Clason To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Double reed trombones. Message-ID: <199912171557.IAA96354@nestor.NMSU.Edu> Addressed to: KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu ** Reply to note from Earl Needham 12/16/99 7:43pm -0700 > Ya' know what? > > A BASSOON reed will do the same thing! > And a bassoon reed WITH THE BOCAL attached is even MORE weird! > > Don't ask me how I know... I don't know how Earl knows, but I know because I played tromboon for a Peter Schikele -- P.D.Q. Bach concert. If you EVER have the opportunity, leap at it. I meant the opportunity to back Schikele, not necessarily to play tromboon. Putting a bassoon reed on a bocal and playing through a 'bone creates a truly ghastly sound. Schikele claims the tromboon combines the greatest disadvantages of both instruments. Schikele is a bassoonist himself ... Dennis -- Dennis L. Clason email: dclason@nmsu.edu Department of Economics / University Statistics Center New Mexico State University Las Cruces, New Mexico USA From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:30:52 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Mysterious vintage horn: A.K.Hüttl Message-ID: <19991217163052.96994.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Everyone, As you might know, I'm an aspiring vintage trombone enthusiast. Well, this morning I was presented with a trombone with no bell section-slide section lock; usually that's an indicator of a trombone's age...the name on the bell is A. K. HŸttl, as already mentioned. Apparently, this was an individual of the turn of the century...little has been found on him. The trombone bears no serial number, and the counterweight is just a blank disc. The mouthpiece, too, is unmarked, and it is amazingly wide and deep for such a narrow bore. The bore of the trombone itself looks to the unaided eye to be pretty narrow, too. Amazingly, almost all of the lacquer is still present; there's wear in the usual places, but if this horn dates from the 19th Century like we're suspecting then its owners took good care of it. Can anyone help us with this mystery horn? Thanks in advance, Aaron Roth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:41:24 EST From: Jgicking@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Jerry Coker's "Hearin' the changes" - contact for Coker? Message-ID: <0.8664b658.258bc1b4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to get in touch w/ music educator, arranger Jerry Coker, who's recent text titled "Hearin' the changes" I HIGHLY recommend. I believe its published by Advance music, a German (?) co. that publishes stunningly high quality books/cds. Other Advance books/cds include cds w/ great rhythm sections and soloists (Jimmy Knepper, Joe Lavono, Abercrombie, Randy Brecker,) analysis of solos, and tracks w/o soloists. There are collections w/ standards and challenging bop/post bop tunes. Small but intense catalog of stuff. ANYWAY, "Hearin' the Changes" includes the best, most detailed analysis of common chord progressions, substitutions I've ever seen. He's analyzed (there are two other authors but I'm not familiar with them)over 500 tunes in putting together this book, and refers to examples from these "popular tunes" (popular today among the geriatric and jazz musicians/afficionados, but why quibble). The reason I want to get in touch w/ Coker: The appendix includes a few classic tunes (Allthethingsyouare, Body & Soul etc.)w/ Roman numeral analysis. I want to ask him for more of these analytical sketches. If I can understand and hear the what & why behind these tunes, I believe that even w/ my poor memory, I can LEARN/hear the chord progressions to 500 tunes in every key. Can you help? Jim From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:40:14 -0600 From: Mike To: bassrange@hotmail.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mysterious vintage horn: A.K.HŸttl Message-ID: <199912171642.KAA27922@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_2389030==_.ALT" Aaron, you may already know about this, but.....


Kenneth Fiske Museum at Claremont University Center has a HŸttl flugelhorn in their collection and the curator there may have more info that will help your inquiry.

(B392 Flugelhorn, A. K. HŸttl, Graslitz, ca. 1900. Three rotary valves.)

their webpage is:  http://www.cuc.claremont.edu/fiske/alto.htm

Mike


http://www.cuc.claremont.edu/fiske/alto.htm


At 08:30 AM 12/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Everyone,
>
>     As you might know, I'm an aspiring vintage trombone enthusiast.  Well,
>this morning I was presented with a trombone with no bell section-slide
>section lock; usually that's an indicator of a trombone's age...the name on
>the bell is A. K. HŸttl, as already mentioned.  Apparently, this was an
>individual of the turn of the century...little has been found on him.  The
>trombone bears no serial number, and the counterweight is just a blank disc.
>  The mouthpiece, too, is unmarked, and it is amazingly wide and deep for
>such a narrow bore.  The bore of the trombone itself looks to the unaided
>eye to be pretty narrow, too.  Amazingly, almost all of the lacquer is still
>present; there's wear in the usual places, but if this horn dates from the
>19th Century like we're suspecting then its owners took good care of it. 
>Can anyone help us with this mystery horn?
>            Thanks in advance,
>                              Aaron Roth
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:50:43 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: breath Message-ID: <19991217165043.40382.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Compared to playing oboe, trombone breathing is a freeze. Imagine getting to a long awaited rest and only having time to breathe out. That's right folks, oboe uses so little air, at such high pressure, that you run out of oxygen, while you still have a lung full of air. But that also means that one doesn't need to worry much about getting lots of air into the lungs, when playing oboe. So trombone has trained me to breathe deeply, something I suppose I used to do when I played sports, in high school, but have long since trained myself not to do (over the 28 years that I've played oboe/English horn). Breathing is under-rated. I can see why the yogis are so enthralled with breath. I can be exhausted from work, come home and play several hours of trombone. Compared with my oxygen-starved work environment, with its re-circulated air, practicing in the garage, with an IR heater aimed at me (just out of reach of my slide in 7th position), is marvelously refreshing (Just from this sentence, you can see how long winded I've become). How do I breathe? I like to work on breathing deeply and exhaling completely. I can do that, primarily because I only practice, at this point (not being good enough to play in public), and because I play jazz, giving me the liberty to breathe more or less when I want. But I also find this fear of breathing deeply, and learning to work around getting enough air, to be fascinating. Why not breathe deeply and learn to play relaxed with your lungs full of air? The only problem I've run into, doing the latter, is that when I play very softly, I run into that familiar problem of running out of oxygen before I've exhausted all the air in my lungs. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:01:35 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: High Range Message-ID: <19991217170135.89723.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It's not that I don't work on playing high notes, but I still don't know why I would bother. I played guitar professionally, from when I was kid, will into my thirties. I also had a day job for most of that time, but I played some good music, to some very large crowds. Guitar players always want to play up the neck, where, frankly, it sounds terrible. Now when one is doing a show, it's time to show off, and you "need" to get up there and show the people that you can do those licks. But the trombone sounds so beautiful in its lower range and no one's expecting you to play Maynard Ferguson (sp?) licks, so why blow out your chops trying to play up there? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:04:25 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <19991217170425.6741.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Hehe, I TOLD you not to ask! > > Seriously, I tried it out once in high school, in the '70's... > > Earl > 'Boys will be boys', or should it be 'males will be boys'. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:06:07 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: archives and stuff Message-ID: <19991217170607.24423.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Found it... To all on list, Concerning the Wallace practice mute: I have them for distribution in the US. They are well made and very practical-you can store them in-bell inside of a gig bag. The Bass Trbn version fits inside my bell in my Edwards hard case. They are $45.00 plus shipping. Contact Jeff Bonk 202-563-8073 Email: jbonk@ix.netcom.com >From: Mike Coyle >Reply-To: astro@pconline.com >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: archives and stuff >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:34:22 -0600 > >who is in charge of the trombone-l archives? also, is there any way to >access >a post from the past four weeks? The search engine at >http://brusseau.com/TromboneL/ runs one >month >behind. I'm still trying to find the post about that stupid Wallace mute >and I >guess it must have been posted in the last four weeks which haven't shown >up >yet. :) > >mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:09:17 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Double reed trombones. Message-ID: <19991217170917.50354.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I don't know how Earl knows, but I know because I played tromboon for >a Peter Schikele -- P.D.Q. Bach concert. If you EVER have the opportunity, >leap at it. Then I suppose I should thank you, Dennis, for a wonderful concert. > >I meant the opportunity to back Schikele, not necessarily to play >tromboon. Putting a bassoon reed on a bocal and playing through >a 'bone creates a truly ghastly sound. Schikele claims the tromboon >combines the greatest disadvantages of both instruments. Schikele >is a bassoonist himself ... As if Bassoon doesn't have enough disadvantages, all by itself. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:11:28 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Salvation Army CD Message-ID: <003401bf48b1$c592b280$6a5ffc9e@volpaulbear> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF4887.D8A46320"
List,
    This is kinda old news, but there was a group of 6 or 7 guys, all of whom are Salvationists, that made 4 CD's called Spiritual to the Bone. They are absolutely excellent, and to get the 10 trombone effect, they overdubbed the missing parts, but believe me, you't tell it. Doug Yeo, Dick Nash, and & few other guys gave the first recording a rave review, and it was justly deserved, as it used Tutti's Trombones and Trombones Unlimited as a model. (How could they go wrong?) They also made a Christmas CD and also one with voices, neither of which I have heard. To get the recordings contact your local Salvation Army for the info. They're kinda pricey (about $20 each) but they are definitely worth having. Again, this is an unsolicited plug. Many people don't know this, but the Salvation Army has the largest brass band library in the world, & I have yet to play anything bad that has been written by a Salvationist composer--in fact, Kenneth Downie, just one of the Salvationist composers, has also been commisioned to write several test pieces for the brass band competitions in the UK. I'm not being sacreligious, but it truly must be against their religion for a Salvationist to write or arrange a bad piece of music. If you want to hear an example of what I'm talking about, the International Staff Band of the Salvation Army has recorded a relatively new CD called Odyssey that will absolutely rip you out of your seat. It is truly great playing by everyone involved. In fact, when the Salvation Army went to recording their musical groups on CD, the International Staff Band got the first shot at it, and it's also a very good CD. Anything you can do to help these folks is always deeply appreciated and they truly give to those that have not. 
 
    
Paul Kemp
Chattanooga Symphony
 From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:24:30 -0600 From: Mike To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Message-ID: <199912171726.LAA04573@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_5045303==_.ALT" Here are a couple websites freaturing the Salvation Army CDs and music that have been brought up in other posts:


salvation army's new york staff band:
http://www.salvationarmy-usaeast.org/nysb/recordings/recordings.htm


Salvationist Publishing & Supplies Ltd.:
http://www.bandstand.demon.co.uk/sp&s.htm


The Salvation Army St. John's Temple Senior Band:
http://www.netministries.org/churches/ch01894/senband.htm


London Citadel Band:
http://www.londoncitadelband.on.ca/recordings.html

many others exist on the web and can be found easily by searching "Salvation Army Recordings" on any good search engine.

Mike
 From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:26:45 -0600 From: Mike To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Salvation Army CD URLs Message-ID: <199912171728.LAA04916@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_5179664==_.ALT" Here are a couple websites freaturing the Salvation Army CDs and music that have been brought up in other posts:


salvation army's new york staff band:
http://www.salvationarmy-usaeast.org/nysb/recordings/recordings.htm


Salvationist Publishing & Supplies Ltd.:
http://www.bandstand.demon.co.uk/sp&s.htm


The Salvation Army St. John's Temple Senior Band:
http://www.netministries.org/churches/ch01894/senband.htm


London Citadel Band:
http://www.londoncitadelband.on.ca/recordings.html

many others exist on the web and can be found easily by searching "Salvation Army Recordings" on any good search engine.

Mike



 From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:34:24 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Fw: More on that long tone thing Message-ID: <002001bf48b4$f69905c0$10e9fea9@navak-n01n> fwd as req by Wayne Dyess. PDH -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Dyess To: Paul Hill Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: Re: More on that long tone thing >>Wayne, >> >>Thanks for taking the time to help Bryce McGrew with your detailed >>explanation of long tones. Now, I was told (by my second generation >>Remingtonian Tbn Teacher) that the primary reason for this exercise was >>purity and focus of tone (including intonation) and that returning to first >>position forced an emphasis on legato tonguing (including articulation/slide >>coordination). > > >That's exactly right! I'm sorry that I neglected this important >aspect of that wonderful routine. That was also the central exercise >in my daily warm-up for over 20 years! I rarely warm up anymore, and >I have never felt a need for a warm-down. > >:-) > > >> >>This is a terrific exercise which I use every day (both in warm-up and >>warm-down). My entire warm-up routine is centered around this exercise and >>it is the only exercise I perform for warm-down. BTW, I do this in the >>pedal range, too (although these tones are not as "long" as they used to >>be)! >> >>Regards from Alaska, >>Paul Hill > > > >I hope you posted your addendum to the list. It is important! > >THANKS! > >Still running the A.C. in Texas! >Wayne Dyess > > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ > _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ > _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ > _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ > _/ _/ > _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ > _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ > _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >Old trombone players never die; >They just slide away! From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:37:28 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Fw: More on that long tone thing Message-ID: <002701bf48b5$643468e0$10e9fea9@navak-n01n> Fwd. PDH -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Dyess To: Paul Hill Cc: peabus@greenlinnet.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 4:49 PM Subject: Re: More on that long tone thing >>Paul (Wayne), >> >>There is an excellent explanation of long tones and their articulation in >>"The Remington Warm-Up Studies" and also on "The Legacy of Emory Remington" >>CD. Both are available from Hickey's - I checked. Wayne knows this stuff - >>I am answering your question, Paul! > > >Frontwards and backwards. Thanks for noticing! >:-) > > >> >>ER discusses different syllables: Tah-Dah-Due-Dee (He specifically mentions >>"Tah" on the CD - Ralph Sauer playing the example). ER's primary focus was >>to "RELAX" the embouchure. For this particular exercise, I use a very soft >>"Doo"...even a "Loo". In the lower registers, I will use a stronger "Due". >>This is what works for me since I am emphasizing tone placement and legato >>technique. I was taught to play this exercise with the notes connected in a >>chain, on a single breath (and Rich pummeled us if we ran out of air!) I >>might also add the importance of keeping the air stream moving with solid >>breath support for this exercise...blow "through" the notes (helps me keep >>the articulation clean). >> >>You can play around with the syllables and find what works for you. I back >>way off, using "Doo" or "Loo" but not allowing my legato to "smear" or gliss >>back into first position. >> >>I keep Remington's Warm-Ups on my music stand...use it every day (basically, >>have it memorized!). We (section mates) have a lot of fun with ER...try to >>"out-Remington" each other. We also try to "out-Marsteller" each other but >>that's another story! It has reached the point where we have wondered if >>the warm-up is actually more important than the performance! > > >Wonderful!!!!!!! >Gotta love it. > > >> >>(Hope I'm on-target with this, Wayne!) > > >You bet! > >Best always, >Wayne > > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ > _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ > _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ > _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ > _/ _/ > _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ > _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ > _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >Old trombone players never die; >They just slide away! From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:38:38 -0600 From: Mike To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: trombone shout bands Message-ID: <199912171740.LAA06380@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_5894147==_.ALT" hey - this discussion of the Salvation Army bands reminded me of something.  Are you guys familiar with "trombone shout bands"?  They are an southern American phenomenon that you really need to hear if you aren't familiar with them already.

These groups are intense - they are gospel trombone ensembles (with rhythm section) that play some of the most wicked renditions of spirituals you'll ever hear:  mind-blowing energy, sometimes raucous, sometimes rude, sometimes transcendent, always great fun!

Here's a URL that offers the CDs:

http://www.fireantmusic.com/tigers.htm

I first heard the Tiger's CD "Dancing With Daddy G" on NPR while driving from NYC to Philly.  It was so bizarre and wonderful and exciting I almost ran off the road several times.  I'd LOVE to hear one of these bands live.  These guys play right from the gut!

MC


 From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:10:50 est From: "Art Triggs" To: Dennis Clason , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Double reed trombones. Message-ID: <385a6e9a.7bd2.0@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried this once about after I heard about it from a PDQ fanatic, the sound was truly something to behold, ...... >Addressed to: KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG > trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > >** Reply to note from Earl Needham 12/16/99 7:43pm -0700 > >> Ya' know what? >> >> A BASSOON reed will do the same thing! >> And a bassoon reed WITH THE BOCAL attached is even MORE weird! >> >> Don't ask me how I know... > >I don't know how Earl knows, but I know because I played tromboon for >a Peter Schikele -- P.D.Q. Bach concert. If you EVER have the opportunity, >leap at it. > > >I meant the opportunity to back Schikele, not necessarily to play >tromboon. Putting a bassoon reed on a bocal and playing through >a 'bone creates a truly ghastly sound. Schikele claims the tromboon >combines the greatest disadvantages of both instruments. Schikele >is a bassoonist himself ... > >Dennis >-- > > > >Dennis L. Clason email: dclason@nmsu.edu >Department of Economics / University Statistics Center >New Mexico State University >Las Cruces, New Mexico USA > > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:38:01 -0500 From: "Amoury, Gerard SSG TUSAB" To: "'trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu'" Subject: RE: trombone shout bands Message-ID: <66419F87BBAAD31199BF0008C7E64E594F1E3A@NTEXCHANGE059a.fmmc.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain ** hey - this discussion of the Salvation Army bands reminded me of something. Are you guys familiar with "trombone shout bands"? ** I also heard that story on NPR about the Southern Trombone Shout bands. It was like NOTHING I had ever heard before or since. What a great idea! Thanks for reminding me of that story. L8er. ---Jerry Amoury From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:14:14 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Double reed trombones. Message-ID: <19991217191414.54888.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On the F Horn and trumpet an oboe or English Horn reed will work, and on a tuba, a contrabassoon reed does the job. I've got music that calls for some of that...imagine FOUR trombones wailing on wildly vibrating wooden bundles! It's really a fun sound to put out, even if a cheap bassoon reed costs about $10. -Aaron Roth | /| | _ / | | ___________________/---/ | | / | | / __________________ | | / / _||_ || \---\_ | || / /King\ || \ | | \ \ \ 3B / || \| | \ \__||______||______________________________________ | \_________________________________________________<> \ | | | | | __/ \ \ | |ø---- __|_|____|_|___________________________/ / | >øø| }________________________________________/ | øø|_---- Pet Peeves: ATM Machine = automated teller machine machine PIN Number = personal identification number number HIV Virus = Human Immunodeficiency Virus Virus Rio Grande River = Big River River Sierra Nevada Mountains = Snowy Mountains Mountains (Those last two with syntax inverted in translation) (Mail suggestions to: ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:33:03 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Double reed trombones. Message-ID: <199912171935.NAA21140@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WOW!, just imagine what would have happened to Paolo Esperanza, bass-trombonist with the Simphonica Mayor de Uruguay, had he been using a double reed in his trombone along with that M80 to make a rousing, celebratory noise! M At 11:14 AM 12/17/99 -0800, you wrote: > On the F Horn and trumpet an oboe or English Horn reed will work, and >on a tuba, a contrabassoon reed does the job. I've got music that calls for >some of that...imagine FOUR trombones wailing on wildly vibrating wooden >bundles! It's really a fun sound to put out, even if a cheap bassoon reed >costs about $10. > -Aaron Roth > >| /| >| _ / | >| ___________________/---/ | >| / | >| / __________________ | >| / / _||_ || \---\_ | >|| / /King\ || \ | >| \ \ \ 3B / || \| >| \ \__||______||______________________________________ >| \_________________________________________________<> \ >| | | | | __/ \ \ >| |ø---- __|_|____|_|___________________________/ / >| >øø| }________________________________________/ >| øø|_---- > >Pet Peeves: > ATM Machine = automated teller machine machine > PIN Number = personal identification number number > HIV Virus = Human Immunodeficiency Virus Virus > Rio Grande River = Big River River > Sierra Nevada Mountains = Snowy Mountains Mountains > (Those last two with syntax inverted in translation) >(Mail suggestions to: ) > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:50:16 -0500 From: "Jeffrey S. Bonk" To: Subject: Wallace mute answers Message-ID: <199912171959.OAA06024@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all on the list who are interested in the Wallace Practice mute, Until recently, I have been distributing the Wallace mutes in the U.S.. There was a problem in the U.K. (with distribution) between several parties. This seems to have been cleared up, but it still hasn't settled here in the U.S.. Someone posted an address in the UK were the mutes are available. Check them out, as they will probably be able to get you the mute with as little trouble on your part as possible. If you want to contact the manufacturer, his name is Tom Sladen and can be reached at: tom.sladen@classicfm.net He is a great guy and can answer any questions about the mutes. I don't know what they charge for the mutes, but I know that shipping them here quickly is costly. The main problem with trying to do business with a company in the UK is that they have to ship airmail which, is very expensive. The other option is to ship by boat which, although it's cheaper, takes 6-8 weeks for your items to arrive. this makes it hard to order from them on a consistent basis as you have to either pass on your high costs (or wait along time) to deliver to your customer. These mutes are very nice and should be worth ordering. If you have one, please tell the list what you think. To those who have requested mutes from me, I will email you privately. Thanks for your interest and if you have any questions, feel free to email or call- I'll be happy to assist. Regards, Jeff Bonk 203-563-8073 jbonk@ix.netcom.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:55:32 -0600 From: Chad Horsley To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Ebay Item #221126452 Message-ID: <385AE994.6877812A@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all.......i just thought that i would bring this item to the lists attention. This bag seems to be an Edwards gig bag. Anyway....just thought someone might want it under the tree. Merry Christmas Chad Horsley From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:15:25 -0600 From: Chad Horsley To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: 1999 ITF Tapes!?!?!?! Message-ID: <385AFC4D.64D0EB7C@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone received tapes from the ITF in Potsdam?? It has been a really long time and still no word. Any advice or info would really be appreciated. Thanks again, Chad Horsley From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:22:33 -0800 From: Larry White To: trbnplyr@earthlink.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Salvation Army CD Message-ID: <385AFDF8.9C110E55@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, I am glad you appreciate the music of 'The Army' as it is fondly called amongst other names such as The Sally Ann & The Salvos. (Some others not quite as complimentary as you probably know.) I like many other Salvationist musicians am strictly an amateur and volunteer. We do not play for money and we do play for the Glory of God. Army music, is interesting when you say you are not being sacreligious in that we have always believed that 'our' music is inspired by God. You no doubt will be aware that bands other than Salvation Army bands have recorded S A music and although technically perfect or almost perfect it does not sound the same to a true Salvationist, in that many cases the words are not known. Thus phrasing etc. is not the same. You mention Kenneth Downie - I met he and his wife in Calgary about 5 1/2 years ago when they were there for a visit. Played a couple of his compositions (under his direction) and to hear him explain how and why he made the contributions is a learning experience in itself. If you ever have a chance to hear his little 'chorus setting' He Can Break Every Fetter, you will hear marvellous playing and gorgeous Bass Trombone work. Very simple little chorus and lovely arrangement. (This is an old time "seeker's chorus" that was often sung at length in the past during time of committment.) To try and rectify your comment on the first CD by The Salvation Army being done by the International Staff Band, actually the Canadian Territory beat the English (UK) territory to the punch in that under the direction of the Cdn Territorial Music Dept. and with the emitable (sp) Ted Marshall at the controls, the first CD Salvation Sounds Vol I, How Great Thou Art, was released in the early part of '88. One great trombone piece that was recorded live in 1986 by Enfield Band, is Trombone Vespers - Composed by Ray Steadman-Allen. I was priviledged to be at that program and it took the breath away from us who had not heard a top UK Brass Band for eons. Finally, I as an Officer's Kid (OK), my parents were both officers in The Salvation Army before their deaths, along with my two brothers and three Moulton boys in the mid 50's used to play every Saturday from the mid part of probably November or whenever they used to put the Christmas Kettles out, until Christmas in downtown Montreal. We never ever received any money whatsoever. It would have been unheard of, by that I mean we were never remunerated for our playing. It was a blast and we were just young, I was 10 or 11, and my oldest brother the oldest of the group would have been 15 or 16 were 'asked to make our way down to the centre of the city to go up and down St Catherine St and play at the various stops. The benefit was we got to go out for a $2.50 lunch, and for us it was a chance to have our first go at Chinese food or some of the great smoked meat sandwiches that Montreal is so famous for. The Moulton boys were fantastic musicians, young Frankie ended up at Hollywood Tabernacle as their Solo Horn player, but tragically getting killed in about '62 or somewhere around that time at about 21 years of age while touring with them in Germany. His older brother Bob, is a Salvation Army officer in Hamilton, Ontario, and the youngest boy Dave died about 3 years ago from cancer. He was a top notch Euphonium player and was in the Canadian Staff Band for a period of time. One of his sons, David (Jr) I understand is a top notch Eupho player himself in his early 20's and has a great future ahead of him. Sorry for the rambling but this is just a sidebar as to how some of the great Sally Ann boys do and what heights they achieve. There are many many more! Masie Ringham, a top trombone player with Halle for many years, is a daughter of the regiment as we fondly call them and yes she was a professional, but when it came to Army music. it was all free 'gratis' and volunteering. There has been some 'bad' music written, but they in general have mostly excellent music. Larry White Vancouver BC Merry Christmas to all and a Happy New Year "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." wrote: > List, This is kinda old news, but there was a group of 6 or 7 > guys, all of whom are Salvationists, that made 4 CD's called > Spiritual to the Bone. They are absolutely excellent, and to get > the 10 trombone effect, they overdubbed the missing parts, but > believe me, you't tell it. Doug Yeo, Dick Nash, and & few other > guys gave the first recording a rave review, and it was justly > deserved, as it used Tutti's Trombones and Trombones Unlimited > as a model. (How could they go wrong?) They also made a > Christmas CD and also one with voices, neither of which I have > heard. To get the recordings contact your local Salvation Army > for the info. They're kinda pricey (about $20 each) but they are > definitely worth having. Again, this is an unsolicited plug. > Many people don't know this, but the Salvation Army has the > largest brass band library in the world, & I have yet to play > anything bad that has been written by a Salvationist > composer--in fact, Kenneth Downie, just one of the Salvationist > composers, has also been commisioned to write several test > pieces for the brass band competitions in the UK. I'm not being > sacreligious, but it truly must be against their religion for a > Salvationist to write or arrange a bad piece of music. If you > want to hear an example of what I'm talking about, the > International Staff Band of the Salvation Army has recorded a > relatively new CD called Odyssey that will absolutely rip you > out of your seat. It is truly great playing by everyone > involved. In fact, when the Salvation Army went to recording > their musical groups on CD, the International Staff Band got the > first shot at it, and it's also a very good CD. Anything you can > do to help these folks is always deeply appreciated and they > truly give to those that have not. Paul Kemp > Chattanooga Symphony From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:22 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:31:32 -0800 From: David Oliver To: tbneplyer@mindspring.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 1999 ITF Tapes!?!?!?! Message-ID: <385B1C34.81A2A0F8@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope. This is getting a bit ridiculous. I understand that some pieces are in dispute, but I don't see why the whole order must be held up, especially when you didn't order those tapes (I don't think I did). I had the Boulder ITF '98 tapes by September or October I think, and I'm pretty sure that they were delayed a bit too! I have many Mark Custom Recording service CD's by the "Univ. of Illinois Symphonic Band", so this is surprising (I even have their 11/97 catalog). Sooooo, Mark Custom (if you see this), please process the orders that don't involve the recordings in dispute. David Oliver Westminster, CO USA Bass/Tenor Trombone, Denver Concert Band Chad Horsley wrote: > Has anyone received tapes from the ITF in Potsdam?? It has been a really > long time and still no word. Any advice or info would really be > appreciated. > Thanks again, > Chad Horsley From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:44:17 -0600 From: Chad Horsley To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: 1999 ITF Tapes!?!?!?! Message-ID: <385B1F31.104BF2CC@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes....I got my tapes around the first of October last year......I don't mind waiting....but an update or something would be nice. Chad David Oliver wrote: > Nope. This is getting a bit ridiculous. I understand that some pieces are in > dispute, but I don't see why the whole order must be held up, especially > when you didn't order those tapes (I don't think I did). > I had the Boulder ITF '98 tapes by September or October I think, and I'm > pretty sure that they were delayed a bit too! > > I have many Mark Custom Recording service CD's by the "Univ. of Illinois > Symphonic Band", so this is surprising (I even have their 11/97 catalog). > > Sooooo, Mark Custom (if you see this), please process the orders that don't > involve the recordings in dispute. > > David Oliver > Westminster, CO USA > Bass/Tenor Trombone, Denver Concert Band > > Chad Horsley wrote: > > > Has anyone received tapes from the ITF in Potsdam?? It has been a really > > long time and still no word. Any advice or info would really be > > appreciated. > > Thanks again, > > Chad Horsley From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:35:28 From: Howard Weiner To: bassrange@hotmail.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mysterious vintage horn: A.K.HŸttl Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19991218113528.2c6fcfc8@mail.privat.toplink.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Aaron, In the 19th century and up to the end of the Second World War, A.K. HŸttl was a major brass instrument manufacturer in Graslitz, Bohemia. Each year they exported thousands of instruments throughout the world. After WW2, their factory, along with all the other brass instrument factories in Graslitz and elsewhere in Bohemia (and there were apparently quite a few!), was taken over by the Czechoslovakian government. The instruments produced in Graslitz after the war (e.g., Amati) never came up to the pre-war standards. HŸttl moved to West Germany and started over, but never re-attained its pre-war importance. This is all from memory. If you want details, I'll have to go searching in my archives. Let me know. Howard > > As you might know, I'm an aspiring vintage trombone enthusiast. Well, >this morning I was presented with a trombone with no bell section-slide >section lock; usually that's an indicator of a trombone's age...the name on >the bell is A. K. HŸttl, as already mentioned. Apparently, this was an >individual of the turn of the century...little has been found on him. The >trombone bears no serial number, and the counterweight is just a blank disc. > The mouthpiece, too, is unmarked, and it is amazingly wide and deep for >such a narrow bore. The bore of the trombone itself looks to the unaided >eye to be pretty narrow, too. Amazingly, almost all of the lacquer is still >present; there's wear in the usual places, but if this horn dates from the >19th Century like we're suspecting then its owners took good care of it. >Can anyone help us with this mystery horn? > Thanks in advance, > Aaron Roth >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - attributed to Frank Zappa "Beschriebene Musik ist wie ein erzŠhltes Mittagessen" - Franz Grillparzer zugeschrieben From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 07:32:23 1999 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:33:34 +-100 From: Eric Burger To: "'Trombone List'" Subject: 2000 bad notes Message-ID: <01BF4965.D9B36340@fra-pci-lah-vty49.as.wcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My NYG is with a bad country band in an Air Force Base in Germany. It was not the first gig I was offered, however, it does have these pluses... Good pay (1100 DM) Free Hotel Room Good food and - most important - if I turned it down, they wouldn't have a band playing at this air base for new year, and most of these guys and gals have been working very hard on these Bosnia / kosovo deployments, and so they deserve (in my book) the best I can give them.... Eric Burger