TROMBONE-L Digest 1541 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by Chris Tune 2) Re: Thankful for what I got... by Earl Needham 3) Re: embouchure issue by David Buckley 4) Re: embouchure issue by Mike Coyle 5) Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by "Daniel Pliskin" 6) abusive mail and trolls by Mike Coyle 7) RE: abusive mail and trolls by BrianB@PR-CN.COM 8) THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH (RE: abusive mail and trolls) by Listmonitor Trombone-L 9) Fw: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by "Clifford G. Smith" 10) Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by Mike Coyle 11) Re: Thankful for what I've got by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 12) Re: practice mute by Mike Coyle 13) "Liebeslied" by "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" 14) Trombone-L: Public, or Private Forum??? by Wayne Dyess 15) Was Long Tone Practice -- (da Slow Slide Syndrome) by Wayne Dyess 16) Re: Thankful for what I got... by Wayne Dyess 17) St Louis? by "Richard Human, Jr." 18) Re: embouchure issue by Thomas Smee 19) Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Awful Noise for New Year's Eve by Chris Waage 21) Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by REOnofreyJ@aol.com 22) Re: embouchure issue by "Daniel Pliskin" 23) Jr. High Jazz Band Charts?? by "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" 24) IAJE Conference by daboneman 25) REGARDING THE LIST TROLL by Listmonitor Trombone-L 26) breath by Mike Coyle 27) Re: breath by "Kenneth Dowdy" 28) Re: Thankful for what I got... by Earl Needham 29) Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by Earl Needham 30) Re: REGARDING THE LIST TROLL by Larry White 31) Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by Larry White 32) High Range by "John Lavoie" 33) Wallace practice mute by Mike Coyle 34) Re: REGARDING THE LIST TROLL by "John Lavoie" 35) Re: St Louis? by ASOPosaune@aol.com 36) Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) by Earl Needham 37) archives and stuff by Mike Coyle 38) Re: St Louis? by "posaune rex" From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:04:37 -0800 From: Chris Tune To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <008101bf47c6$1c244920$8dd9aace@ultrascsi> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think a lot of the listers will be playing this NYE. Even though the millenium ends at the end of Y2K, this is the one everybody will be celebrating. I am going to be at a country club in Encino, CA. 11:30 end sounds even better! Hope you are able to beat the rush outta there! Christopher R. Tune http://www.christune.com Cell (818) 468-4767 Home (818) 763-9397 ********************************************* There are just two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. ********************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Izzo To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) > Interesting question, but.....how to answer...... > > > > Hi > > Really not trombone related but... > > Someone called me to play with a big band on a hotel party on December > 31st > > 's night (from 11:30 PM to 2:00 AM). As the money is "good" I have > > accepted. Now I'm curious about how many people on the list will be in a > > similar situation: Beginning the year 2000 with the mouthpiece on their > > chops. > > Are you asking how many are playing as the year dawns? Most of your > responses are from people who are playing as the year ends. NOW wait a > minute, you say, most could be both yes? > Not in my case apparently. My NYE gig is 8:30-11:30 (for a whole city's > celebration--I'm told 50,000 will be in attendance--YIKES), there will be > another band there, playing 12:30 to 3:30. So there you have it. Now do you > think I'll be able to get out of there before the craziness starts on this > Amateur night? > > Tom > > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:21:42 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: burger2go@compuserve.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thankful for what I got... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991216072142.04247b90@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:50 AM 12/16/99 +-100, Eric Burger wrote: >Mr. Yeo's post is right on the mark! as for me... >I think of how I am blessed the ability to play the trombone (and other things) for a living. >This list is about trombone playing and music, and I jump to this before I read the latest from my Ma, and I wonder if everyone out there realizes just how lucky they are... Although I'm not a full-time musician, and I wish I was, I still count myself fortunate to be able to play AT ALL. I really love to play the trombone. How am I NOT fortunate? Well, the local Community Band only meets once a week when we're in session! I wish we could meet every evening! Funny thing, the same goes for the local Big Band I'm in. I wish both could meet every day. Oh well... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:28:27 -0500 From: David Buckley To: sarapete@total.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: embouchure issue Message-ID: <3859051B.64124CBF@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard Pete play with Slide Rule on Tuesday night and can definitelt report that he is i fine form. However I have also heard him a number of times during the period he taks about and can report that whatever problems he was having were not obvious to the listener. It has been my experience of many years that, much as we would like to believe otherwise, we cannot always trust our bodies to tell us truths. Fatigue, business problems, personal concerns, minor illnesses can all impact on our ability to accurately determine how we are doing what we are doing. For instance, before my knees got old, I used to jog regularly in an indoor facility where I could watch the clock. Some days I would feel like I was going fast, somedays slow. But the clock always told me the truth which was that my times hardly varied at all. My body lied to my mind about how it was doing. So when hard times srike, keep optimistic, keep doing what you know has worked in the past, try some new things and remember that you probably are not doing nearly as badly as you think. Now I read this, it's not bad advice for all the rest of life too. I'll try to follow it. Happy Holidyas. Dave. Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote: > Hi Mike and list, > > I wanted to respond to this as it related quite closely to my current > experience and what I have gone through in about the last three years. > > Although I have not taken a 15 year rest as in your case I did have some > playing problems, one of which was losing the feel for this "sweet spot" > as you say. I should say first that the root of the problems that I was > experiencing was the use of air. I am now more than ever convinced of > Jacobs' teaching of wind and song and that the sound functioning of the > air stream and the breathing mechanism solves so many problems. I did > have a lesson with Mr. Jacobs the week before he died. He helped me > tremendously and I was very upset when he did die not only because of > the loss of such a wonderful human being but (selfishly) for the fact > that he would not be around to help me solve my problems. I then turned > to Nick Atkinson in Ottawa for help. He has certainly done a tremendous > job in solving problems and I believe he is Canada's brass pedagogy > secret. (shameless plug for Nick!) > > Mike wrote: > > > The greatest frustration I found was that I KNOW how to play the trombone > > > and can remember the experience of playing like it was yesterday. however, > > > when you don't yet have the musculature and strength you cannot do what you > > > used to! Very madding stuff and it takes the patience of a saint to try to > > > remain slow and steady and not start trying to play all your favorite > > > pieces, or worse yet, favorite Rosolino and Fontana licks! > > This was my life everyday when I was having the worst of my problems. > And yes it is VERY frustrating. I should say that I was/am also playing > professionally while all this was/is going on. Go slow and steady and > try to see any and all improvement as you go, this is one thing that > kept me going and not totally quitting. Did I play anything better today > than I did yesterday? More often than not the answer was yes. Think of > that when you are practising. There is a lot of stuff that won't go the > same as it did yesterday or the day before but try to concentrate on the > improvements. > > Mike wrote: > > I have taken the approach that i should treat the instrument > > > as a beginner in many respects and try to let it all come back naturally as > > > it wants to now. > > Yes and no. I agree with trying to treat the instrument as a beginner > but this becomes very difficult considering the amount of knowledge you > have in your head potentially getting in the way of the naivete of a > beginning trombone player. Use that knowledge to go carefully and > steadily improve. > > I have taken the approach of using all the knowledge that I have > gathered over the years studying with various teachers (Ted Griffith, > Murray Crewe, Joe Alessi, Nick Atkinson, Arnold Jacobs) and using it > everytime I pick up the horn. I try to imagine that one of them (or a > few, or all) are sitting with me on a gig or when I am practicing and > try to do what they have told me over the years. This has worked very > well of late and I have seen significant improvement and consistency > over the last month or so. There are times when I may tend to slip a > little and I realize it is as a result of not paying attention to what I > am doing thinking that everything is okay. Those are the days I have to > stop and reset what I am doing and what I started that day. > > I hope this helps somewhat. I know what you are going through and would > like to think I have some answers and certainly know that I don't have > all answers. Write or post if you have more questions. > > Cheers > > Peter Collins From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:09:07 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: Wayne Dyess Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: embouchure issue Message-ID: <199912161611.KAA26236@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" [NOTE - I was going to just reply privately so I would have to see my name on the list yet again, but I want to ask the two fellows you cited to write to me too] Wayne, Your suggestions are very, very good ones and they really made me think. By far the most frustrating thing is being able to hear my old sound and style but not being able to achieve it with any consistency. >If you could ever play any Rosolino lick, you'll find a way to get happy with your playing again >-- I guarantee it! And to answer your question, yup, as a kid I memorized every Rosolino and Fontana solo I could get my hands on (even Frank's solo on "Frankly Speaking") and one of Fontana's best on "Salt Peanuts" on the first Super Sax album - transcribing these and practicing doodle tonguing and playing every possible scale type I could think of and playing, playing, playing (with everyone who was willing to play with me) were what taught me to play jazz. Some of us at Eastman used to use Slonimsky's scale book to gain facility - great book. Anyway, this is one reason why it's so depressing to have to sit around playing long tones and flexibility exercises. Enough crap about me, what I'd really like is to ask Ken Feneley and David Oliver, the folks mentioned in Wayne's note to me, to write to me as well and share whatever you can! Wayne, your yogic "funny face" exercises were a good addition to this discussion. They are very similar to the "gland and joint" exercises, again from the yogic tradition, that were developed by Swami Rama (the founder of the meditation center that I belong to) - they are really a distillation of some very ancient exercise from Hatha yoga. (By the way, these excercise are in a book with detailed drawings and are available from a local publisher here - if anyone is interested, please write to me for more info.) Great post, Wayne I also want to thank the other folks who have written to me about this - every one has had great suggestions. I didn't want to post individual notes thanking everyone because I got reamed for thanking people publicly too much in one of my "fan" letters recently :) Mike At 10:47 PM 12/15/99 -0600, you wrote: > >{NOTE: I initially was going to respond with a personal e-mail.... >but then thought that others might benefit from this info... DELETE >if you've read my help notes before. There's not much new here, >other than the "funny faces" of late.} > >Mike, my first reaction to your inquiry is to defer your question to >my good friend, Ken Feneley. But I don't think he laid off that >long. I know that as a band director, that he would have to go long >periods of time without much face time. At least, if his experiences >as a band director were anything like mine -- that would be the case. >It was one thing that I disliked about my job as a junior high band >director. I would just be too danged tired to pick up the horn when >I got home. Precious little time with family as it was! > >Ken? You will be better at this than me. What say you? And David >Oliver, perhaps you could give Mike some insight, too. There have to >be others who laid off for long periods and found a satisfying return >to our beloved trombone??? > > >>I have a question that is the product of a discussion I had with friends a >>few days ago. When people come back to playing after a long time off (me >>for instance, after a 15 years rest :) they frequently go through a rough >>period trying to "find" that "sweet spot" again. In my case, I tried that >>for a while and then though, well, perhaps my face has changed a bit in 15 >>years (for the better, of course) and my "sweet spot" is no longer what or >>where it was. I have taken the approach that i should treat the instrument >>as a beginner in many respects and try to let it all come back naturally as >>it wants to now. >> >>I would really like to know what you all think about this and if you have >>any suggestions as to how to most efficiently find what your natural and >>most advantages embouchure. >> >>The greatest frustration I found was that I KNOW how to play the trombone >>and can remember the experience of playing like it was yesterday. however, >>when you don't yet have the musculature and strength you cannot do what you >>used to! Very madding stuff and it takes the patience of a saint to try to >>remain slow and steady and not start trying to play all your favorite >>pieces, or worse yet, favorite Rosolino and Fontana licks! > > >No -- PLEASE don't do that. You'll only find frustration and end up >quitting when you really shouldn't. If you could ever play any >Rosolino lick, you'll find a way to get happy with your playing again >-- I guarantee it! Fontana, too. Two of my favorite players, by the >way... > >No... you might (don't laugh) re-read my yoga "funny faces" post >(just tonight), and start with those. I don't have a scanner here at >the house, but there are three good pictures of these exercise that >might help you to better understand what I was trying to explain with >words alone. > >Next, do breathing exercises in the same fashion. > >1) Breath in slowly for 8 counts, hold for 8 counts, exhale slowly >for 8 counts. >2) Repeat 8 times. > >3) Breath in slowly for 8 counts, exhale in 1, hold for 8. >4) Repeat 8 times. > >5) Breath in FAST in 1 count, top the tank (take in more air), >again, and again. Hold for 8. Exhale slowly. >6) Repeat 8 times. > >This is much like stretching a balloon. The lungs will just work >better after doing this exercise, even 3 or 4 times each, rather than >the full 8 that I do. > >#1 -- just a good basic breathing exercise. >#3 -- especially good for demonstrating to a student that even when >they think they are out of air, they can still make it to the end of >a phrase. This is one of my best tricks for getting students to play >more musical lines and phrases! >#5 -- This demonstrates to the student that we very seldom take in a >full breath of air, thus filling the lungs fully. Another effective >exercise! > >These "funny face" yoga exercises will do even more to help you >regain your face muscles, to my way of thinking anyway. Try them. > >Next, it's face time with the horn. Those exercises above can be >done at any time during the day without having to have a horn to your >face. In the car on the way to work, during a lunch break, walking >from here to yonder... anytime. But with the horn, you may be more >limited in time. Try to find a good, safe area where you can keep >the instrument out all the time on a trombone stand. You'll be more >tempted to play it that way. I know I am. > >15 to 30 minutes a day of good, solid Remington styled long-tones and >you'll start to re-develop those finer muscles in your face that we >call an embouchure. > >Fundamentals, with stress on the FUN. Start the day (on the horn) >with something you enjoy playing. Put on a favorite CD and play >along for a cut or 2 (or 74 minutes worth, if you want)... > >Do SOME long tones. I would highly recommend these (that many would >call boring) because they will help you to re-establish your >embouchure and those finer face muscles. > >Do SOME flexibilities. These, if done properly, can also help to >stretch the chops. If you find you are having trouble, then start >slowly. Play 3-note slurs. If you can do that OK, then go to 5-note >slurs. The ultimate goal might be 7 or even 8-note (and beyond) >slurs. I tend to vary these and not do the same thing on a daily >basis. Variety is the spice of life, yes? > >Do SOME scales. Yep. Scales. Try to re-establish the old ears. >You know full well what major scales should sound like. Tune them >up, and re-acquaint yourself with the musical alphabet. Ya can't >read if ya don't remember the letters! And ya can't expect to read >music adeptly if ya don't have a good handle on this fundamental of >musicianship! > >END. Again, I like to end a practice session with something that I >really enjoy. When I was younger, I would record the 2nd part of a >duet, and record several of them. Then I would play it back and play >the 1st part. Yep -- instant duets without a partner. And FUN! >When I got older, I just loved the challenge of playing a good >VALVE-sounding legato, so I would end my practice session with any >old Rochut/Bordogni Melodious Etude. If you don't have that book, I >highly recommend Book I. > >Buy several method books and vary your practice routine each day. >Don't get in a rut, ma man. > >Rochut/Bordogni: Melodious Etudes for Trombone, Volume I. >Arban's Complete Method for Trombone (or for Trumpet if you are brave) >Voxman: Selected Studies for Trombone (is that the title?) >Kopprasch: 60 Studies for Trombone (titles elude me just now), Book I. >Blazhevich: Clef Studies. I'm told this is unavailable, but many >music stores have it in stock. Texas uses the following for >All-State tryouts, and it's a good substitute: >Fink: Advanced Musical Etudes for Trombone and Euphonium in Bass >Clef (112 Rhythmic and Melodic Studies based on Blazhevich's Etudes), >published by Accura Music. It's the only book I have at home right >now. > >Something in that list above will challenge you. If it's too >challenging, then perhaps a brush-up with one of the Rubank >intermediate or advanced books would be more to your liking. > >The point is, get a collection of method books from which to >practice. And just have FUN with the trombone again. > >That's all, >Wayne Dyess > > >> >>Also, is anyone here familiar with a trombonist named Larry Zimmerman >>(probably in Minneapolis) >> >>Please write soon and a lot :) >> >>Mike > > > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ > _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ > _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ > _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ > _/ _/ > _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ > _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ > _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >Old trombone players never die; >They just slide away! > From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:21:45 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <19991216162146.9104.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That's a great idea. Last year I made a lot of noise with an English horn reed. This year I definately need to use a trombone. Thanks, DanP >From: "Hugo Garc’a Sampedro" >Reply-To: hgsamp@compudata.com.ar >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:13:49 -0300 > >Hi >Really not trombone related but... >Someone called me to play with a big band on a hotel party on December 31st >'s night (from 11:30 PM to 2:00 AM). As the money is "good" I have >accepted. Now I'm curious about how many people on the list will be in a >similar situation: Beginning the year 2000 with the mouthpiece on their >chops. >Just curious! > >Cordially >-Hugo > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:33:12 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: abusive mail and trolls Message-ID: <199912161635.KAA29933@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK - I 've had it with this list. Apparently I can't say anything without this kind of response. I would generally never post something sent to me privately, but I am sick and tired of this kind of childish nonsense. IF I, or anyone else for that matter, happens to mention something about their abilities (currently or formerly) is this what can be expected? >Subject: Coyle The Idiot >Mike, > >Give it a rest. Go in the bathroom and stroke >yourself. Don't do it on the list. Rosolino, Fontana >my ass. Moron! This came from someone with a "free" email account and has been forwarded to the list monitor. I think it is pretty obvious that our "trolls" are back. I'll gladly forward this person's address to anyone who requests it. MC From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:46:03 -0500 From: BrianB@PR-CN.COM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: abusive mail and trolls Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Mike, please don't let the "idiots" spoil it for you. For every person like that on the list there a hundreds of people who appreciate everything that every person has to say. For those on the list who don't know, its possible for a person to "spoof" their address and make it look like the message came from someone else. Mike, if you haven't already checked for that, you can forward me the header from the message and we can contact the proper people and hopefully, their account will be shut down. BTW: I thought that free accounts were no longer allowed on the list? Brian From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:55:26 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH (RE: abusive mail and trolls) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No further discussion of this will be allowed to take place. The matter will be handled by the list monitor. LM From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:18:50 -0800 From: "Clifford G. Smith" To: Subject: Fw: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <005a01bf47e9$a0d61540$6a358e18@cablecoop.ispchannel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No and yes. A swing band with which I play regularly is doing a gig New Year's Eve, but I turned it down (they got a sub). I plan to be with my honey. So no, not doing a gig. We decided to have a small, low key party. I expect I'll play Auld Lang Syne at the appointed hour (well, actually slightly after; won't miss that New Year's kiss!). So yes, will have mouthpiece on my chops early in 2000. Enjoy, Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugo Garc’a Sampedro" Subject: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) > Now I'm curious about how many people on the list will be in a > similar situation: Beginning the year 2000 with the mouthpiece on their > chops. > Just curious! > > Cordially > -Hugo > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:25:35 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <199912161727.LAA07736@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cliff, this is very sweet! Nice to hear someone talking about unabashed affection on the list :) I'm planning on something similar - I have to piano gig earlier that day but turned down anything for that night. I also want to spend the biggest New Year's Celebration of the millennium with my honey :) (Even though this is not really the turn of the millennium!) MC At 09:18 AM 12/16/99 -0800, you wrote: >No and yes. > >A swing band with which I play regularly is doing a gig New Year's Eve, but >I turned it down (they got a sub). I plan to be with my honey. So no, not >doing a gig. > >We decided to have a small, low key party. I expect I'll play Auld Lang Syne >at the appointed hour (well, actually slightly after; won't miss that New >Year's kiss!). So yes, will have mouthpiece on my chops early in 2000. > >Enjoy, >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hugo Garc’a Sampedro" >Subject: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) > > >> Now I'm curious about how many people on the list will be in a >> similar situation: Beginning the year 2000 with the mouthpiece on their >> chops. >> Just curious! >> >> Cordially >> -Hugo >> >> > From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:36:04 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thankful for what I've got Message-ID: <005301bf47ec$07fc6a60$265ffc9e@volpaulbear> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BF47C2.1DFFE3C0"
Folks,
    This thread is very appropriate for me to respond to, as the newspaper publishing company for which I've been a faithful carrier for 9 years has decided it in their best interest to terminate my contract. This happened on December 6. I was planning to give my routes up by March 31, 1999, but believe me, I'm not bitter over this one bit. This sudden change in events has helped me to see that there's alot more to life than working and making money, even though I realize that these 2 things are important, & I want to make all that I can, but no job or career is worth the possible dissolve of your family, or to put on things on hold that you really want to do, & I have loved playing the trombone for over 25 years now.
    Needing to make some money to tie me over before I can start another business, I contacted the Salvation Army about ringing the bell at a kettle. After 2 hours of ringing a bell, I decided that it would be much more effective if I could stand outside the kettle and play Christmas carols for about 4 hours a day. So, that's what I've been doing this week, standing outside the local Winn Dixie grocery story and playing Christmas Carols on my trombone, and this is what I plan to do next week. The Army is actually paying me to practice. I don't have to put my students on hold, I realize that this is seasonal but one thing I'll say for the Army is that gave me a job when I needed one. If everything goes well in 2000, I am making this promise to everyone that Lord willing, next Christmas I will volunteer my time to play at the Salvation Army kettles as much as possible or as much as my face can stand.
    If it is possible for any of you listers to do so, PLEASE contribute to the Salvation Army kettles if you pass one this season. They gave this lister a part time job that is alot more fun than delivering newspapers, and I can assure you that the money goes to a good cause, to help people much less fortunate than we are. The Salvation Army has not asked me to endorse them, but I feel that it is the least I can do for an organization who saw it fit to help me out in a time of need.
 
Merry Christmas and God Bless all of you,
 
Paul Kemp
Chattanooga Symphony
 From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:21:45 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: practice mute Message-ID: <199912161823.MAA16272@ties.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several weeks ago we were talking about practice mutes and Christof Schmidt mentioned this one (see below) made by Wallace. Someone else posted the name of a store in the UK that sold these (there may have been a place in the US mentioned as well). I must have thrown those posts out already but need that info. Anybody out there still have it. Thanks, Mike At 11:42 AM 11/4/99 +0200, you wrote: >Due to the place where I live and the lousy practice facilities here >at uni, I really depend on my practice mute and have tried many of >them. The one I can highly recommend is the British made >Wallace practice mute which I've been playing for more than a year >now. Tuning is excellent, resistance is worse on all other mutes I've >tried and it's also quite cheap (between 20 and 25 British Pounds >(don't know how much that is in Dollars)). Another advantage is >that it is quite small and hardly sticks out of the bell so you can >keep it in your horn in the gig bag. Give it a try ! > >Christof From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:32:21 -0800 From: "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: "Liebeslied" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers, I've been searching for some information on "Liebeslied" written by Oskar Bohme, Op. 22, No. 2.. and have been without luck as of yet on the internet.. Anyone have any information on this piece, I would greatly appreciate any help.. it's the audition excerpt for the concert band next semester.. my curiosity always seems to lurk when I get a piece of music that is not just something thrown together but and actual "work".. You know anything at all about the piece please share the info with me directly or the list.. Happy Holidays and trombone playing, Maria R. Tekle-Wolde BTW, I will be one of the few with the horn not to my face for NYE, I've volunteered to work at my grocery store till midnightish.. :-) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:45:41 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: Trombone-L Subject: Trombone-L: Public, or Private Forum??? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Howdy from Texas, Friends. This has been bothering me for the last few days. Beth made a few comments about Ralph Sauer's masterclasses for UMI, and was obviously offended when her trombone-L comments were copied and quoted in a letter to Mr. Sauer. This started a series of posts, and along the way many of you had strong feelings about this issue. Doug Yeo made a very impassioned case for the premise that trombone-L is a private forum. I maintain it is public by the very nature of the internet. Doug has been involved in law suits dealing with these issues, so I have to respect his knowledge in this area. Yet, he is no lawyer. And since I feel strongly about my position, I asked a former student of mine who is a lawyer. Here is her reply: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:38:10 -0600 From: Doneane_Beckcom@txed.uscourts.gov Subject: Re[3]: Symphony Christmas Concert To: Wayne Dyess In answer to your legal question: The internet is protected by the First Amendment, right to freedom of speech and expression. People who post anything are also protected by that right. That is the only quasi-government regulation. The FCC does not yet have any control over what is said, publicized, repeated, posted, etc. on the internet, and probably never will. There are some websites with chat available that warn those using the service of posting malicious or slanderous statements (actually I think it would be considered libel, which is printed untruths -- slander is that which is spoken and published by word of mouth). One that I use often, an auction house website, publishes this disclaimed in their "feedback" cite. Does your chatroom have such a disclaimer? Perhaps it should now, since some seemingly immature people are using the cite. If you publish false statements, as opposed to just an opinion, that is where legal steps can be taken against the speaker/writer. All this person did was express her opinion, which is protected speech. If she has her panties in a knot about someone quoting her, then she should not have posted her opinion. [....snip] The forum is only private if it is set up as such, ie, there is a disclaimer when you sign on and enter the chatroom. Otherwise, it is public. Also, private forums normally require user id's or passwords, and if this one does not, then it is public. Copyright laws do not apply in any way, all information is in the public domain. Doug is wrong in that repeating something said by another person in the chatroom violates any rights -- what you say is protected, but it is not shielded from someone else repeating it. That is bunk. Now, if she was in fact misquoted, then she may have cause to gripe. Otherwise, she has no legal leg to stand on. Chat is intended for repetition of what someone else says, or commenting on what another says/writes. Does that answer your question? Hope so! Don't worry, no charge. Doneane hahahahah. I hadn't even considered that she might charge me! Whoa! Forgot I was talking with a lawyer there for a minute. I doubt this issue ever reaches the Supreme Court. And so what if it did? Any ruling would only cover the United States., but we have membership that spans the globe. In order for someone to know what a conversation is about, it is accepted practice to quote an individual. Common sense ought to prevail.... if you don't want someone quoting you, don't write. And by the way, I asked Doneane about some of the better posts, such as Sabutin's and Doug's. All that need be done in order to fully and legally protect their words (or any of us) is to add the short phrase, "Copyright 1999" (or current year's date) at the conclusion of the post, and that's that. Was it Larry P. who did the "Jazz Improv for Dummies" where he added the copyright phrase to his posts? I'm sure that Doug feels just as strongly for his case (PRIVATE forum) as I do about mine (PUBLIC). And until some regulation -- somehow or other -- is given to the internet, I suspect we shall continue to debate such issues. Ain't life grand???? --Wayne Dyess P.S. All due respect to Doug. I enjoy a good debate, and am most certainly NOT trying to hurt a valued friendship! cc: Doug Yeo, Chris Waage :-) _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ _/ _/ _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Old trombone players never die; They just slide away! From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:03:35 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: Paul Riley Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Was Long Tone Practice -- (da Slow Slide Syndrome) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:36 AM -0500 12/14/99, Paul Riley wrote: >Wayne, > >Do you use your tongue to articulate the beginning of each tone? >How about at >the position change? > >Paul L. Riley >paul@greenlinnet.com Howdy from Texas, Paul. I had a ton of red-tape (paper work, grades, etc.) piled up on my desk yesterday and was determined to finish it all before I left school. I did, but it was almost 6 p.m. before I finally finished. Enough of the excuses, but that's why I didn't answer your question sooner. And normally, I would not have noticed that this question was via trombone-L rather than a personal question, except that I read someone else's response (Mike??) before seeing your post -- which was addressed to ME. So I guess I ought to respond on the list, yes? OK? Is this a trick question? I just HATE trick questions! I was never good at these in school; I'm still not. Argh!!!! To answer your question (to paraphrase), do I use my tongue to articulate the beginning of each tone? Yes, and no. I mean, there are 2 schools of thought on this. On the one hand, you have the purists, such as Keith Brown. If you don't know that name, he taught at Temple University and was the Principal trombonist with the Philadelphia Orchestra and the Pablo Casals Orchestra (among others). Mr. Brown advocated using the tongue for everything. His reasoning, as I understood him, was a matter of consistency. Each note had the same style of articulation and attack ("tah" for marcato and staccato, and "dah" for legato and lyric playing). This made sense to me, so I emulated this for a couple of years. But I could never do it as well as Keith Brown, so I abandoned that idea -- for ME! Most all of my other teachers, including Neil Humfeld, John Marcellus, Al Luby, Donald Knaub, and George West (I hope I remember their viewpoints correctly)... advocated the other school of thought. Since Knauby and Humfeld were former students of Emory Remington, I suspect he probably helped to originate this method, and that is to use as many natural slurs as possible and only use the tongue when you have to. And when you have to would be at any place where a gliss would otherwise sound. Mr. West was the first to introduce me to this idea, and to this day my first several etudes in the Rochut/Bordogni book are marked with brackets showing where to legato tongue -- all the rest of the notes are natural slurred. I practiced this concept VERY much my freshman year, to the point that it became 2nd nature to me. The idea is to make the legato tongue SOUND precisely like the natural slur. I think I come pretty darned close. That is the method that I use to this day. For ME -- it works. My concept of the legato articulation is to emulate a euphonium. Da VALVE sound of a legato. I probably have somewhat of a euphonium SOUND concept in my mind when I think of my tone, as well. I have a recording of me playing Rimsky-Korsakov's "Concerto for Trombone and Band" from my freshman year in college, and that 88H with my trusty Remington mouthpiece sure sounded a lot like a euphonium on the recording. So, do I use my tongue to articulate the beginning of EACH tone. No, I guess not. I cheat! :-) As much as I respect the teaching and playing of Keith Brown, I simply could not make that type of articulation work so that I felt good about it. Then you ask an interesting question: how about at the position change? Paul, you have hit upon one of my PET peeves: da SLOW SLIDE SYNDROME! I just HATE it when that happens! And it's interesting you should ask such an astute question -- for without a very fast slide, the above legato technique won't work! Ever hear of something called a "gliss"? In the old days of analog recording, you could record yourself at a speed of 7-1/2 i.p.s. (inches per second), and play back at half that speed (3-3/4 i.p.s.), and hear any little discrepency in your playing. I actually used to do this! Of course, the tone took on the quality of a tuba, but that was kinda fun, too. And you could also do the reverse -- and come out sounding a bit like a BIG trumpet, and an octave higher than you really played. I REALLY liked that!!!! (insert ego pic here). Speaking of big trumpet -- a former Boston Symphony trumpet player by the name of Armando Guitalla (spelling???) is the inspiration for my fast slide technique and teachings. I attended one of his masterclasses around 1975 and was struck by his phrase "BANG THEM VALVES". It made me think! Fast slide -- same concept, only applied to the trombone. And it works!!! The answer to your question above is multi-faceted, for a fast slide is only part of the equation. The other part (for ME) is to use lots of alternate positions so that you CAN use as many natural slurs as possible. There was a lot of practice of Bb in 1st followed by Bb in a short 5th; D in 1st, D in a long 4th, etc. You have to get comfortable with these alternate positions and USE THEM, along with a FAST SLIDE, in order to not have to articulate each and every note as Mr. Brown advocated (at least in MY lessons). Who knows if he detected a flaw in my playing and was trying this technique with me to fix the problem. I can't say for sure that he played this way or that. I was a sophomore in college at the time. I've slept a LOT since then and remember not a lot. But what I can say is -- this is what works for me, and this is how I do it. To say that it will work for you would be presumptuous of me. You can try it -- but try the other way, too. And maybe you can come up with a completely different way. And if it works for you -- then do it. What's da big deal???? Good questions. I hope this has helped. --Wayne Dyess _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ _/ _/ _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Old trombone players never die; They just slide away! From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:42:32 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Thankful for what I got... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:21 AM -0700 12/16/99, Earl Needham wrote: > How am I NOT fortunate? Well, the local Community Band only >meets once a >week when we're in session! I wish we could meet every evening! > > Funny thing, the same goes for the local Big Band I'm in. I wish both >could meet every day. Oh well... Oh man, do you ever sound like a likely candidate for mo schoolin'!!!!!! Kin I recruite ya??? Does ya have the G.I. bill???? Wow! (Just funnin'). Enjoy what you have. Do what I do -- start you OWN groups. Be your own leader. --Wayne Dyess _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Wayne Dyess, Ed.D. Tel. +1-409-880-8146 _/ _/ Lamar University Music Dept. _/ _/ P.O.Box 10044, Beaumont, TX.77710 _/ _/ _/ _/ United Musical Instruments (UMI) _/ _/ "If it sounds good, it is good." -Duke Ellington _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Old trombone players never die; They just slide away! From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:15 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:00:06 -0500 From: "Richard Human, Jr." To: Trombone List Subject: St Louis? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey folks, I got this message but don't know the answer. Anybody know who won it? Thanks, Richard ---------- From: Kenneth Clark Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:18:38 "GMT" To: Online Trombone Journal Subject: Contact Form: 12/10/99 Kenneth Clark The following message was sent to the Online Trombone Journal via the Contact form. From: Kenneth Clark - kwcmusic@aol.com Category: Other Message: I attended the audition in St Louis back in October, but I have not heard who won. Can you tell me who won this audition. Sent on : 12/10/99 From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:03:42 -0500 From: Thomas Smee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: embouchure issue Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline The response on this issue has been excellent, but since I took a long time off, I'll offer a few thoughts. I too took a long time off (from late '82 to 5 or 6 years ago). I'm not sure how long it was but it was at least 13 or 14 years. I used to play tenor trombone, but always liked bass trombone so thats what I play now. So it was a bit different for me. I wasn't just relearning something I was also learning a new instrument - or so it seemed at the time. I think that the best way to get back into it is to forget about what used to be. Focus on now. For that reason, start out this time playing music you didn't play in your 'old' life, unless its well within your current capabilities and, more importantly, you really like playing it (eg., Rochut). Oddly enough, you probably don't have even one cell in your current body that was in your body when you played before, so deal with the body you have now. But this also points up the importance of having a really strong concept, because concepts and mental images of sound last, cells don't. Aside from the fact that I now play bass trombone instead of tenor, my embouchure is very different now from then. During my time off, I had a cycling accident and knocked out my four front teeth and scuffed my embouchure along the pavement. As a result, I had to give up my career as a male model (anyone who's ever seen me will know I'm kidding!). It doesn't matter to me that things are different, I just make what I have work, false teeth and all. Frankly, I'm never aware of the teeth being different. It doesn't seem to affect me at all. Peter Collins has it right about focussing on the sound and getting the breathing right, as well as being patient. Then just have fun right now making nice sounds today and forget about yesterday. I also try to get a lesson once in a while from someone whose playing I really admire. In my experience, they can be tremendously helpful and motivating. Don't wait until you have everything so 'perfect' you think you'll impress them - it'll be a long wait for most of us - just go with a positive and open-minded attitude and learn as much as you can playing the way you do now and store those sound concepts in your memory bank. I also get regular 'lessons' from people I have never met, or studied with, by listening to CDs of players I admire (esp. for some reason with headphones) and trying to internalize the sound. Pretend its you making those great sounds. Then listen for those sounds in your practice. Finally, I would strongly recommend that you get Dee Stewart's book, "Arnold Jacobs - Legacy of a Master" and Brian Fredrickson's book "Wind and Song". Obviously, nothing profound here, just focus on now, work hard, have fun and be patient. From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:35:40 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <19991216203540.29387.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've tried something "better". You tuck an English horn reed between your cheek and gum. You can play trombone with it there. Then, when no one's looking, you can insert it into the mouthpiece with your tongue. It makes the most hideous screech and the trombone is vibrating so much that you can hardly move the slide. Now why did I think that might be "better"? DanP >From: Sequoia Middle School >To: daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) >Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:14:22 -0800 > > > >Daniel Pliskin wrote: > > > That's a great idea. Last year I made a lot of noise with an English >horn > > reed. This year I definately need to use a trombone. > >Haven't been following too closely. Have gone into my "lurking" mode until >Friday when I unsub for awhile, but I've found a pretty good noisemaker to >be a >bassoon bocal (?) and reed IN a trombone does a great job. Kinda like >Peter >Schickly (?). Boy my spelling is off today. Maybe it's all the Christmas >programs I'm doing at school today.Three more to go. > >Have a great holiday Daniel! > >All the best, >Gary Maxwell >Bass Trombone >Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:47:03 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Awful Noise for New Year's Eve Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you really want awful noise, grab the trombone of the guy next to you and fill his F-attachment tubing with water . . . . ;-) Chris _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com http://www.waageworks.com "Wisdom comes from Knowledge. Knowledge comes from Good Judgement. Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement." _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:48:35 EST From: REOnofreyJ@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gig on december 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <0.67faf99e.258aaa23@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll probably get flamed for this one, but here goes anyway . . . Bodie Pfost wrote on 12/15/99: I'm playing a gig on New Year's Eve. GOOD money, odd setting. As far as I know, it will be me on trombone playing with a jazz accordian. Question: What's the definition of "perfect pitch"? Answer: When you throw an accordion into a dumpster, and it lands on a trombone! This attempt at humor was supplied to me several years ago by a French horn player, so we know about his sense of humor. When flaming me, please keep in mind the spirit of the holidays! -Rick (By the way, I'm a converted trombone player, from an accordion, no less!) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:51:34 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: embouchure issue Message-ID: <19991216205134.22249.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I didn't have time to practice for two evenings straight. Last night it took me two hours to get my lips back. Worst of all I had to listen to it·awful. But from another perspective, it took me less than a year to get my embouchure to where it is today. That's not so dreadful, and it's been fun. Just think of how painful it would have been if I had watched TV every night, instead. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:30:02 -0500 From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "Trombones and related issues forum. (E-mail)" Subject: Jr. High Jazz Band Charts?? Message-ID: <69D701C43C4ED211BAAC0000F807753704561F01@cnncmx03.turner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Fellow listers (especially all you band directors out there), My son (7th grade) has a deal going with his band director: if my son can get some recommendations for some Jazz band arrangements--that include CLARINET (my son's unfortunate non-trombone choice of instrument)--the director will consider giving them a try with the 7th/8th grade Jazz band. Now, I don't know if charts including Clarinet are non-existent or are just out of fashion in our part of the country (greater Atlanta area), but I know that the Sr. High Jazz band hardly ever includes clarinet parts either. I only remember once in 6 years of attending concerts where one of the sax players (another of my wayward offspring) doubled for a few measures on Clarinet. So, if there are appropriate charts out there (most of these players have been playing since 5th grade, so they're OK as far as I can tell) we would sure like some pointers about what to look for at all the usual sheet music emporiums. Thanks a big bunch (southern colloquialism for y'all nawth of the Mason-Dixon) and PLEASE help me keep my son from playing (shudder) electric bass in the group. (BTW - I'm a former bassist who saw the light two years ago and picked up trombone (the world's most NOBLE instrument!) Best regards, happy holidays and Merry Christmas to all, Scott Johnson Conyers, GA USA From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:11:21 -0600 From: daboneman To: Trombones and related issues forum Subject: IAJE Conference Message-ID: <38597199.10F5DFB8@mciworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's a new thread that can have no conflict... How many of you on the list will be attending this years International Association of Jazz Educator's Conference in New Orleans? I will be there from Jan. 13 - 15. Also... what trombonists will be doing workshops? (if anyone knows... last I checked I didn't see any). Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:17:22 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: REGARDING THE LIST TROLL Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Friends: This evening, I cancelled the subscription of the individual who has been creating such a problem on the trombone-l over the past year. If you receive any harrassing e-mails off the list that relate to trombone-l posts, please forward them with complete headers (e-mail for instructions if you are not aware of how to do this) to me at tsks@cjnetworks.com. Hopefully this will smooth the action of the list, just as a good application of Trombotine does to a slide.....or should I use Slide-O-Mix? LM From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:49:13 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: breath Message-ID: <199912170149.TAA22121@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hiya Guys and Gals, Question: When I was studying with Don Knaub at Eastman (who of course studied with Remington and taught along side him, but differed tremendously) we would do breath exercises to help expand the chest cavity and work on quick inhalations and very slow exhalations so that we'd be prepared to play long phrases with little problem. Remington, on the other hand, used to advocate playing as often as possible with a "conversational" breath - literally using what air you'd take in during normal conversation, and staying very relaxed. Once, in the orchestra for a Mangione concert, I had the good fortune to play next to Jim Pugh who seemed to use that very relaxed, conversational style of breathing while a lot of the other guys I played with at that time were doing the rather arduous breathing style mentioned at the beginning of this post. Fontana, who I mentioned earlier today and got nasty mail :), also seems to use pretty normal breathing when he plays. (by the way, when I said I used to transcribe and play Fontana and Rosolino solos I forgot to mention that I'd transpose them up a 4th :) Anyway, I'm not even sure if two schools of thought exist any more concerning breathing. What do you guys do? From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:43:04 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: breath Message-ID: <000f01bf4838$740c6100$7a1c0f3f@default> Well Mike, I don't really subscribe to either of those schools. I spend most of my time just trying to catch my breath! That has been the hardest part about picking up the trombone again for me. Ken Dowdy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Coyle To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: breath >Hiya Guys and Gals, > >Question: > >When I was studying with Don Knaub at Eastman (who of course studied with >Remington and taught along side him, but differed tremendously) we would >do breath exercises to help expand the chest cavity and work on quick >inhalations and very slow exhalations so that we'd be prepared to play long >phrases with little problem. Remington, on the other hand, used to >advocate playing as often as possible with a "conversational" breath - >literally using what air you'd take in during normal conversation, and >staying very relaxed. > >Once, in the orchestra for a Mangione concert, I had the good fortune to >play next to Jim Pugh who seemed to use that very relaxed, conversational >style of breathing while a lot of the other guys I played with at that time >were doing the rather arduous breathing style mentioned at the beginning of >this post. > >Fontana, who I mentioned earlier today and got nasty mail :), also seems >to use pretty normal breathing when he plays. (by the way, when I said I >used to transcribe and play Fontana and Rosolino solos I forgot to mention >that I'd transpose them up a 4th :) > >Anyway, I'm not even sure if two schools of thought exist any more >concerning breathing. What do you guys do? From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:40:52 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Thankful for what I got... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991216194052.03d0e1dc@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 12/16/99 -0600, Wayne Dyess wrote: >Oh man, do you ever sound like a likely candidate for mo schoolin'!!!!!! > >Kin I recruite ya??? Does ya have the G.I. bill???? > >Wow! > >(Just funnin'). Enjoy what you have. Do what I do -- start you OWN >groups. Be your own leader. >--Wayne Dyess I just may have to do that... As to the G. I. Bill? No, they figured out a way to retire a few people with NO educational benefits. And guess who just happened to fall into that bracket? Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:43:45 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991216194345.00709830@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM 12/16/99 PST, Daniel Pliskin wrote: >I've tried something "better". You tuck an English horn reed between your >cheek and gum. You can play trombone with it there. Then, when no one's >looking, you can insert it into the mouthpiece with your tongue. It makes >the most hideous screech and the trombone is vibrating so much that you can >hardly move the slide. Ya' know what? A BASSOON reed will do the same thing! And a bassoon reed WITH THE BOCAL attached is even MORE weird! Don't ask me how I know... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:54:56 -0800 From: Larry White To: tsks@cjnetworks.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: REGARDING THE LIST TROLL Message-ID: <3859B410.681F87B2@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good on you! Hope it is the end of this individual's jollies. If there is any sense in the person maybe a lesson will have been learned! Thanks, Larry White Listmonitor Trombone-L wrote: > Friends: > > This evening, I cancelled the subscription of the individual who has been > creating such a problem on the trombone-l over the past year. If you > receive any harrassing e-mails off the list that relate to trombone-l > posts, please forward them with complete headers (e-mail for instructions > if you are not aware of how to do this) to me at tsks@cjnetworks.com. > > Hopefully this will smooth the action of the list, just as a good > application of Trombotine does to a slide.....or should I use Slide-O-Mix? > > > > LM From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:57:46 -0800 From: Larry White To: KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <3859B4BA.675E2517@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WELL.... How do you? Larry White Earl Needham wrote: > > A BASSOON reed will do the same thing! > And a bassoon reed WITH THE BOCAL attached is even MORE weird! > > Don't ask me how I know... > > Earl > > Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG > Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) > > Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, > you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 23:18:47 -0500 From: "John Lavoie" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: High Range Message-ID: Content-Type: text/html Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I got the following note today, I'd be
interested to hear what you folks have got to
say about it.

<snip>
What is the expected range for a trombonist.
Classical players trying jazz gis tend to squeal
a lot.  Often they have no jazz chops but they
can nail some high notes.  I am not to mad at my
jazz chops but I seem to have a 5 note
tesatura.  I can't squeal.  Right now high D is
my benchpress max.  B or C in an actual song.  
Any advice on increasing my useful range and
stamina with that range.  If I know I am playing
for more than an hour or two I generaly don't
play anything above Ab or Bb and them
sparingly.  My current goal is to have command
of my full range for at least two sets of a bar
gig playing lead horn.  Also, I want to be able
to relax when I see a high note written in
classical pieces.
</snip>

Thanks for any advice you can give,
JOhn
 







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From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:19:36 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Wallace practice mute Message-ID: <199912170420.WAA32183@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey kids, A while back someone mentioned a place to purchase a Wallace practice mute in the UK. Maybe there was mention of a place to get one in the US as well. Does anyone still have that post? Thanks, Mike From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 23:30:34 -0500 From: "John Lavoie" To: "trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: REGARDING THE LIST TROLL Message-ID: Content-Type: text/html Mime-Version: 1.0
Unfortunately it seems that this person keeps
finding a way to get back on the list.  Unless
Eric never actually did anything about him,
which I doubt.  How do we know that he/she only
had one subscription anyway?  It seems that
every time we encounter the troll, it's from a
different address.  Oh well, we'll deal with it
if and when they try again.  

I've only been on this list for just over a
year, but each time they cause a problem, it
gets less and less messy.  Congratulations to
everyone on the list for being mature about
these things and not letting them blow up like
they are intended to.

JOhn

From: Larry White <eljaywhite@telus.net>
Sent: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:54:56 -0800

Good on you! Hope it is the end of this
individual's jollies.
If there is any sense in the person maybe a
lesson will have been learned!
Thanks,
Larry White

Listmonitor Trombone-L wrote:

> Friends:
>
> This evening, I cancelled the subscription of
the individual who has been
> creating such a problem on the trombone-l over
the past year. ÊIf you
> receive any harrassing e-mails off the list
that relate to trombone-l
> posts, please forward them with complete
headers (e-mail for instructions
> if you are not aware of how to do this) to me
at tsks@cjnetworks.com.
>
> Hopefully this will smooth the action of the
list, just as a good
> application of Trombotine does to a
slide.....or should I use Slide-O-Mix?
>
> <g>
>
> LM








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From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:00:13 EST From: ASOPosaune@aol.com To: richard@trombone.org, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: St Louis? Message-ID: <0.a75ca213.258b1d5d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the winner was Steve Lange, currently second trombone in San Antonio. From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:31:06 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: eljaywhite@telus.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gig on December 31st night (Not trombone related but...) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991216223106.006f6028@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:57 PM 12/16/99 -0800, Larry White wrote: >WELL.... How do you? Hehe, I TOLD you not to ask! Seriously, I tried it out once in high school, in the '70's... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446 W103d 12.700 (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:34:22 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: archives and stuff Message-ID: <199912170735.BAA08990@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_60052354==_.ALT" who is  in charge of the trombone-l archives?  also, is there any way to access a post from the past four weeks?  The search engine at http://brusseau.com/TromboneL/ runs one month behind.  I'm still trying to find the post about that stupid Wallace mute and I guess it must have been posted in the last four weeks which haven't shown up yet.  :)  

mike From ???@??? Fri Dec 17 07:51:16 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:47:26 PST From: "posaune rex" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: St Louis? Message-ID: <19991217074726.46443.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You can find winners from most recent auditions at: http://uhura.cc.rochester.edu/~sw002g/events.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com