TROMBONE-L Digest 1530 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fountains of Rome by JFBermann@aol.com 2) Re: Most played orchestral pieces resource? by JFBermann@aol.com 3) Re: thanks to you all by "Michael P. Coyle" 4) Re: Most played orchestral pieces resource? by Jay Heltzer 5) RE: ? by Eric Burger 6) RE: DD(lengthy) last call by Eric Burger 7) Re: Non-musical Personal Choices (re:gay issues) - one last thought by "Michael P. Coyle" 8) Re: Fountains of Rome by " Dan Cloutier" 9) Some nice Early December Thoughts by John Capon 10) Trombonist in Philly by SOB 3:16 11) MP's 4 sale by Neobopr@aol.com 12) RE: DD(lengthy) last call by Dave Tall 13) Re: Trombonist in Philly by Daniel Maslowski 14) Re: Trombonist in Philly by Mike Coyle 15) The Untitled March by "Joe L. Norcross" 16) Re: Trombonist in Philly by Matmutt@aol.com 17) First Quartet Performance by David Oliver 18) Re: Trombonist in Philly by "Tom Izzo" 19) Re: thanks to you all by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Re: the great Freeze Off! by Mike Coyle From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:33:55 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: ealewis@indiana.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Fountains of Rome Message-ID: <0.76ecba56.257bdfe3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Beth, The Kalmus parts are very good, you should order a set of the entire section parts. Is one of the orchestras at IU performing the Fountains? If so, I would think they were smart enough to purchase it from Kalmus. I remember that the PED library did some pretty shady stuff when I was a student there, like copy rental music and keep it in the library, so maybe they have an illegal copy of the Ricordi edition there. Jim Bermann From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:40:39 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: Posaune9@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Most played orchestral pieces resource? Message-ID: <0.cbead2de.257be177@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ryan, The American Symphony Orchestra League now in New York, does a survey each year, and they publish a listing of what all the orchestras in the U.S. are doing so you can get the exact information you're looking for. It's only done each season, and not compiled for more than a year because it could never fit into one volume. All My Best, Jim Bermann From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:21:29 -0600 From: "Michael P. Coyle" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: thanks to you all Message-ID: <199912051624.KAA04737@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You're most welcome, Dale :) Glad to hear you got mostly enlightened responses. Keep in touch. Mike Coyle At 11:27 AM 12/4/99 , you wrote: >Dear Trombone Friends, > >I got an overwhelming amount of mail in response to my questions about >being gay. Most were very generous and supportive. Even the ones which >were not overtly supportive were tolerant, and that sort of confirms my >belief that most intelligent people are going to have open minds about the >subject. > >I agree with Wes that ostentatious, "in-your-face", leopard-skin queens are >very objectionable. I don't think that has as much to do with being gay as >it does being obsessed with being different and "proud" of it. I, and the >overwhelming majority of homosexuals, do not support that behavior at all. >Most of us blend in so well you may never know we're here :) > >Anyway, I just want to thank all of you who responded. Your efforts are >very appreciated and were quite helpful. I have a friend on this list and >we have discussed the responses at length and were both pleasantly >surprised by the tone of most of the letters. > >OK, gotta go practice. > >Thanks again. > >Dale > From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:52:41 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: Posaune9@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Most played orchestral pieces resource? Message-ID: <384A9858.B0318EF2@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posaune9@aol.com wrote: > Dear list, > > Does anyone know how or where to obtain a list of the most programmed > orchestral pieces? I remember seeing in the music library at Indiana University a survey put out by BMI which listed all published music performed by orchestras in the previous season or calendar year. I have no recolection if these were recently done or not. All I collected from this were that the symphonies of Mozart, Beethoven and Tchaikowsky were performed a lot. Strangely I also remember Miraculous Mandarin being performed more than anything else... then I woke up! :) Jay From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:22:34 +-100 From: Eric Burger To: "'Dale M. Hudoba'" , "trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu" Subject: RE: ? Message-ID: <01BF3FB9.2E99E340@fra-pci-lak-vty64.as.wcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dale, I'm currently with the military, and you know how these issues are dealt with. However, being an old California boy from very libreal neighborhoods, I have a minor thead of advice, and I will relate it how it concerns me. I have colleges and associates whom I have worked with for years that don't realize I am married (for over 20 years). When I am working, gigging, rehearsing, etc., I deal with the work, music, rehearsals, and not my personal life. I only discuss my personal life with my close friends. I have many acquaintances, friends, past professors, whom have had other sexual orientations. Why did I know? Because, most made it a point to let everyone know. I don't care, and really don't want to know. I don't judge people by their orientation, but I will by their lack of modesty or discretion. You orientation should only be an issue with those whom you wish to make it an issue, and that - my friend - is a choice you make. Good luck - Eric ---------- From: Dale M. Hudoba[SMTP:hudo0011@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 4:58 PM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Hi there y'all, I have not contributed to this group, though I have been around it now for a while. I have come to really appreciate the honesty and care that most people here put into their messages. I have a question that is not really related to music but IS related to being an active musician and I hope that no one is offended or angered by it. I am also putting a lot of trust in the group by asking this. I attended one of the best music conservatories in the U.S., where I was very successful, and been playing professionally for several years. I hope to have a career in music and want to audition for a major orchestra when the time is right. Here's the deal: I'm gay. I have met only one other gay trombone player in my life, though I know plenty of other gay musicians (of course). To me, being gay is nothing other than the sexual orientation with which I was born, it is not a life style nor a political statement. I don't feel real comfortable being honest about it with some other brass players I know because I am afraid that it might mean that it keeps me from getting gigs and pushes me outside the "circle" of players who get work due to prejudice. It is hard for me to know how most people feel about this and I am wondering if my fears of prejudice getting in the way of my career are valid or not. I'm wondering what the popular opinion might be on such a thing and would very grateful for your responses. I am not expecting everyone to be supportive or to embrace an orientation which they have disagreements with, I don't mind getting responses that are in disagreement with me, all I want is honest responses. It is an important issue and one that I am sure impacts many more people than most of us can imagine. Again, I hope that I have not offended anyone and I hope that my sincere request will be met with your sincere responses. Thank you very much, Dale From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:42:45 +-100 From: Eric Burger To: "angie@cybersolvers.com" , "'Tbcwes@aol.com'" Subject: RE: DD(lengthy) last call Message-ID: <01BF3FB9.5CA24020@fra-pci-lak-vty64.as.wcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I do have one other comment, though - about all this. Having been homosexual manipulated and molested at an early age, I might take a little exception to the assertion that Homosexuality is 'normal'. I do know, based on the new Masters survey: Most (92%) who call themselves homosexual had a homosexual experience at an early age, usually before fifteen, OR where sexually brutalized by someone of the opposite sex. A vast majority of those who where sexually molested where molested by someone of the age of majority, usually an age difference of +8 years, or with someone who had been molested by someone of the age of majority. Sexual imprinting should not be discounted. Homosexuals may not choose to be homosexual, however the behavior associated with any type of sexual deviancy (words used by the AMA) in regards to sexual abuse of minors does have a real consequence - whether hetero or homosexual. Don't send me hate mail - I didn't make this up, or really care, just think that these surveys are enlightening From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:11 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:31:36 -0600 From: "Michael P. Coyle" To: basstbn@waageworks.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Non-musical Personal Choices (re:gay issues) - one last thought Message-ID: <4.0.1.19991205111117.00eed740@mail.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris, Your reply to Dale is very, very commendable. It displays great understanding and wisdom - hats off to you! To Dale and others it may concern: I have one last thought on this issue that I would like to air, and I think it needs to be said. Generally, personal matters do not come up when you first meet an individual or group. It takes time for a level of comfort to be established before anyone talks much about his/her personal life - sometimes this level of comfort is never reached. During the time it takes to establish this rapport, people DO get to know each other on other very fundamental and important levels - i.e. one's general nature: agreeable / disagreeable, introvert / extrovert, sociable / solitary, easy to work with / horrible to work with, etc. By the time one is intimate and comfortable enough to bring up or answer questions about personal issues (i.e. "do you have a girlfriend", "are you married", "do you have kids"), a relationship has been established and people will have already made up their minds as to whether they like you or not. Whether you are liked or disliked at that point, I doubt that a personal issue such as being gay is going to sway a person's opinion all that much (unless they have serious personal issues that affect their behavior and opinion). I am a very social creature and pretty easy to get along with. I generally am capable of developing good working relationships with people very quickly - in other words, past experience has shown me that I am fairly likable (and I don't think I am deluding myself, I hope :) My experience has always been that once people have gotten to know me and then they find out that I am gay (usually through my responses to those questions "are you married", "do you have kids"), it makes no difference - they already like me well enough to want to know more about me and that says it all. (Have we, on this list, developed this level of comfort? Probably not, but this forum is quite different from the normal relationship. Our ideas and thoughts, sometimes quite deep and revealing, show up regularly in each other's living rooms, den's, offices, dorm rooms, or wherever your computer may be, and most of us have never met. There is a dialog here, albeit a slow dialog, which is anonymous yet occasionally personal. The Internet has opened up that possibility.) I also know that, because I don't display overt signs of being gay or flaunt it as something that "everyone must embrace or accept" (in other words, I'm just your basic guy who happens to be gay), I have changed some people's minds about what gay people are like. Stereotypes are rarely the norm, they are the highly visible exception (i.e. Blacks are not dangerous, Mexicans are not lazy, Women are not bad drivers, the Irish are not drunks, Poles are not stupid, on and on and on...). I may be naive but I do believe it all boils down to who you are. Only a sociopath can blindly hate without being able to discern and empathize with the human being underneath the visible symbol which they hate. So far in life this has proven true for me and likewise in the life of many others I know. And that's that :) Now, back to the trombone - and remember, in the words of my musical grandfather, Emory Remington: "If you can sing "TAH," you can play "TAH" on the Trombone." How's that for simplicity and relevance? Be well, Mike At 09:14 AM 12/4/99 , you wrote: >The thread about homosexuality has been quite interesting, and of course, >I've got to toss my $0.02 in . . . > >Over the 20 or so years I've been playing gigs, I have played with all >manner of individuals - gay, straight, single, married, white, black, >Hispanic, Asian, Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Agnostic, sober, alcoholic >- you name it. These all fall into non-musical factors that may or may not >affect your performance. > >Of these, alcoholic is about the only one that would directly affect >performance. The rest SHOULDN'T matter, but often do. The only thing I do >that advertises my sexuality is wear a wedding ring, but I often talk about >my wife and kids, so it is probably assumed that I am heterosexual (FLAMING >heterosexual, I've been told - I have 3 kids, and #4 is pending download ;-) > >Should it matter? Nope. > >Does it? Sometimes. > >Discrimination comes in all forms. I was discriminated against in grade >school - "That fat kid can't run - you get him for YOUR team." "NO! I >don't want him, you take him!" When I moved from Missouri to Texas, I was >a Yankee (yeah, the Civil War had been over for 110+ years, but it still >mattered to some people!). When I moved back to Missouri, I was still an >"outsider." It took several years before I really felt a part of the area >(although I still consider my home state as Texas). > >You can handle it two ways - you can either get mad about it and fight, or >just develop an "I'm not going to let someone's opinion become my reality" >attitude. > >Yeah, you'll run into jerks who will say mean things - "...words will never >hurt me..." ....but they do. Hate-filled individuals will do whatever they >can to FIND that hot-spot, the one thing that will cut to the bone. > >One of the "joys" I have from living in Topeka, Kansas, is that I >periodically encounter Fred Phelps and his merry band picketing some >business or church with his "God Hates Fags" signs. (For those who are >lucky enough never to have seen this creature, he "pastors" a "church" in >the Topeka area and pickets any business or church he feels condones >homosexual behavior.) There are ignorant people everywhere who feel you >have to make an issue of every difference, when in reality, it is those >differences which make each of us an individual. > >Should, as a musician, someone hide their sexual orientation? That's his >or her choice. You must follow the path which is right for you. > >Chris >_____________________________________________ >Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com > http://www.waageworks.com > >"Wisdom comes from Knowledge. > Knowledge comes from Good Judgement. > Good Judgement comes from Experience. > Experience comes from Bad Judgement." >_____________________________________________ > From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:48:19 -0800 From: " Dan Cloutier" To: ealewis@indiana.edu Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Fountains of Rome Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:33:02 Beth Lewis wrote: >In preparing this (1st part) for a school >ensemble placement audition, I've noticed that >the individual trombone parts AND the score >(all by Ricordi) each have their own very >unique takes on placement/inclusion of >hairpins (crescendi/decrescendi) that would >would make little sense if played literally in >an ensemble/sectional situation. Beth, do you mean that the score and parts differ in where the dynamic markings and hairpins are placed? If that's what you mean, usually it's best to go with what the score says, since that's what the conductor will go by, and usually the copyist/printer pays more attention to the score than the parts. >How literally should one take the ink when >preparing a single part for an audition and >would it reflect well on one's knowledge of the >piece to play with the same hairpins/dynamics >as indicated in the other parts and score (same >edition)? It's always good practice to be meticulous with dynamics, accents, phrases, etc when preparing for an audition. Whether the person(s) listening to you audition pay attention to your details is another matter altogether. Some audition committees pay particular attention to the details; some don't seem to care at all about even important things (such as intonation). For an example, I was told by an audition committee member in a major US Symphony Orchestra that he/she didn't vote for me because I played the second low "a" in the middle section of the first solo in Mahler Symphony #3 longer than the first, then I played the third low "a" the same length as the first one! (IOW, I was cut because I played the part correctly.) In any event, even if you prepare the details carefully and the committee doesn't notice this, you are ahead regardless, because you did the good work of honest preparation. >Also, is Ricordi the only company that >publishes this? (and I thought Kalmus was >bad...) Kalmus *may* have it, I don't know for sure. However, if they do, I bet the part is just a copy of the Ricordi edition (which is the only one I have ever seen). --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 99 12:01:16 -0700 From: John Capon To: , "JJ List" Subject: Some nice Early December Thoughts Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi folks, I just receive this and thought it applied to the art and craft of Tomboning and the life style of Trombonists. I apologise for it not being right on the subject of tromboning but I guess I have been playing so long that just about everything applies. A lot of the thoughts expressed in the following sound a lot like the things Arnold Jacobs used to say in the lessons I was fortunate to have with him. The sound of his voice during lessons jumped into my brain when I read this. We miss you Jake. John 1. Be a Fundamentalist - make sure the Fun always comes before the Mental. Realize that life is a situational comedy that will never be cancelled. A laugh track has been provided, and the reason why we are put in the material world is to get more material. Have a good laughsitive twice a day, and that will ensure regular hilarity. 2. Remember that each of us has been given a special gift, just for entering - so you are already a winner! 3. The most powerful tool on the planet today is Tell-A- Vision. That is where I tell a vision to you, and you tell a vision to me. That way, if we don't like the programming we're getting, we can simply change the channel. 4. Life is like photography. You use the negative to develop. 5. It is true. As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between the ears, causing a condition called truth decay. So be sure to use mental floss twice a day. And when you're tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember what we teach in Swami's Absurdiveness Training class: *Don't get even, get odd.* 6. If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and truly live like nomads. That's where I no mad at you, you no mad at me. That way, there'll surely be nomadness on the planet. And peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace there, pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one big peace everywhere. 7. I know great earth changes have been predicted for the future, so if you're looking to avoid earthquakes, my advice is simple. When you find a fault, just don't dwell on it. 8. There's no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train the world, and we'll never have to change it again. 9. If you're looking to find the key to the Universe, I have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is there is no key to the Universe. The good news is that it has been left unlocked. 10. Finally, everything I have told you is channeled. That way, if you don't like it, it's not my fault. And remember, enlightenment is not a bureaucracy. So we don't have to go through channels. By: Swami Beyondananda John Capon Music Director, Malaspina Choir Artistic Director, Summer Jazz Academy Brass Instructor, Malaspina University/College Leader, John Capon Quartet Music Director, Gabriola Chamber Players R.R. 1, Site 3, C14 Gabriola, BC, Canada V0R 1X0 phone: 250 247 8531 http://www.islandnet.com/~bigbird/ Watch for new CD - "Full Circle" check the above web site for where to buy and when. I have been promised delivery of product in December. Email: bigbird@islandnet.com fax: 250 247 9357 (please phone 250 247 8531 first to make sure fax is on) From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:42:10 -0500 From: SOB 3:16 To: trombone Subject: Trombonist in Philly Message-ID: <384AF852.8762E76B@worldlynx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any good trombonist in the Philadelphia area From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:35:57 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: TboneCentral@onelist.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, jjjohnson-list@list.sirius.com Subject: MP's 4 sale Message-ID: <0.563c246a.257c5eed@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all! Just clearing out the extra inventory. These two don't work for me with my current set-up. All prices include shipping. Money orders only please, that way I ship it immediately! Denis Wick Silver 5AL (large shank) $25 Denis Wick Silver 5BL (large shank) $25 Denis Wick Tone Booster large shank (fits snugly around MP making it very massive) $12 (if purchased with one of the MP's only $10) Contact me off-list if interested. Yamaha Artist/Clinician-Jeff Adams From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:25:01 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: DD(lengthy) last call Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991205192501.040c4c90@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:42 AM 12/6/99 +-100, Eric Burger wrote: This is probably getting pretty far off the track for a trombone discussion list. However, I want to make sure that the statistics you quote below are not misconstrued. Most molestation and adult-child sexual contact is done by heterosexuals. Most homosexuals are not child molesters. Neither are most heterosexuals. I do not have data for this third assertion, but I believe that most who call themselves heterosexual had a heterosexual experience at an early age, usually before fifteen. The AMA does not use the term "sexual deviancy" to describe or refer to homosexuality. >I do have one other comment, though - about all this. Having been homosexual manipulated and molested at an early age, I might take a little exception to the assertion that Homosexuality is 'normal'. I do know, based on the new Masters survey: > >Most (92%) who call themselves homosexual had a homosexual experience at an early age, usually before fifteen, OR where sexually brutalized by someone of the opposite sex. > >A vast majority of those who where sexually molested where molested by someone of the age of majority, usually an age difference of +8 years, or with someone who had been molested by someone of the age of majority. > >Sexual imprinting should not be discounted. > >Homosexuals may not choose to be homosexual, however the behavior associated with any type of sexual deviancy (words used by the AMA) in regards to sexual abuse of minors does have a real consequence - whether hetero or homosexual. > >Don't send me hate mail - I didn't make this up, or really care, just think that these surveys are enlightening > > > > Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:28:36 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Maslowski To: 16 Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist in Philly Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well let's see.....does the name Nitzan (1st trombonist, Philadelphia Orchestra) mean anything to you? ;-) -Dan On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 SOB 3 wrote: > Are there any good trombonist in the Philadelphia area > > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:36:01 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombonist in Philly Message-ID: <199912060339.VAA00740@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My sister drives a Nitzan, didn't know they made trombones too. Seriously, was this original question a joke or what? There are hundreds of excellent trombonists in the Philly area. By Philly "area" I am considering as far north as the Lehigh Valley area - a stones throw from Philly. The area from Philly to New York is the veritable "musicians belt". A little investigating will guarantee that you'll find plenty of excellent players. Mike (former Pennsylvanian, former New Yorker, current Minnesotan, ugh) At 09:28 PM 12/5/99 , you wrote: >Well let's see.....does the name Nitzan (1st trombonist, Philadelphia >Orchestra) mean anything to you? ;-) > -Dan > > > >On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 SOB 3 wrote: > >> Are there any good trombonist in the Philadelphia area >> >> >> > From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:06:51 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombone" , "Tubaeuph" Subject: The Untitled March Message-ID: <03b601bf3f9f$5603c1e0$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sure that many of you have played Sousa's Untitled March. My band did last Friday night. as the announcer, I told the story of how the music was discovered and produced through the efforts of Paul Bierley, Keith Brion and Lorus Schissel. I taking a page out of Col. Hinton's use of a good story to promote Sousa. I informed the audience that a number of us got together and dissected the march. We discovered two note that were used in Jingle Bells and decided that Mr. Sousa was going to make this his Christmas March. So we premiered the march under it's real name as "The Christmas March" Not knowing I was going to do it, I had the audience and the band really enjoying this find. With that said, play the Christmas March and have a joyful Christmas season. ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:11:04 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombonist in Philly Message-ID: <0.3d46ca34.257c9f68@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/99 10:30:25 PM EST, demaslo@ilstu.edu writes: << Are there any good trombonist in the Philadelphia area >> Well, let's see. Just a few of the Philly area guys I've played with: Mike Purdy, Glenn Dodson, Pete Jensen, Joe Janus, Bob Jones, Gail Glass. Then there's Brian Pastor who leads a killer big band, and a lot of others I haven't yet been privileged to work with. Larry Priori ( the passionate amateur) From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:30:54 -0800 From: David Oliver To: Trombone List Subject: First Quartet Performance Message-ID: <384B581E.DCAD4D48@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I' ve completed another milestone with my first quartet performance. It was on trombone 4/bass trombone. I was subbing for Del (another lister) in the Denver Concert Band trombone quartet. One of our best pieces (I think) was "Achieved is the Glorious Work". I did my best to come up to the Blair Bollinger level. Those you who have the "Four of a Kind" CD know what I mean (1st track). Del told me about the trick with the independent 2nd valve to play C in a flat 2nd in the 1st measure. I still consider myself a tenor player, but bass trombone has been more of a positive than negative. I guess it isn't too much of a stretch for someone who's dinked around on bass guitar since I was a senior in high school (I'm 37 now). I always think back to hearing a bass trombone for the first time on a "Brass Impact" record (Paul Faulise). Of course I like the electric bass sound on the recording too! There are some great trombone sounds on that record - if brief. If you look back on the 60's "top 40" recordings, the bass trombone was everywhere. I'd still like to know who played bass trombone on that Beach Boys "Be With Me" track on their "20/20" record. It's a great use of bass trombone. I'm having a blast playing the TR-181 in a 9 performance church Christmas program - yep, plenty of them David Clydesdale arrangements. I really like the "Sleigh Ride" & "I'll Be Home for Christmas" arrangements of his that we are doing. Yes, it's Bass Trombone/Tuba, but in the first case it is split. In the second case, I say - dump the tuba! ;) In fact, it looks like most of the arrangements are Clydesdale. I need to get back to my 88H and them etudes soon... BTW, I played my 1936 Conn 4H with an older Conn 3 MP tonight. Very nice. The Remington mouthpieces seem to produce a sharper sound than the "cup" shaped mouthpieces. Maybe it's just me. I do know that 12C is just too small for me with the bass doubling. I think 11C is limit on the tenor side. For any of you in the area, the Denver Concert Band Holiday Concert is this upcoming Saturday (11th) at 2 p.m. It is in downtown Denver at Central Presbyterian Church, 1660 Sherman St. Free Admission. David Oliver Westminster, Colorado USA Bass/Tenor Trombone, Denver Concert Band From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:49:33 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist in Philly Message-ID: <002001bf3fb6$0ead4f20$5975dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > << Are there any good trombonist in the Philadelphia area >> > > Well, let's see. Just a few of the Philly area guys I've played with: > Mike Purdy, Glenn Dodson, Pete Jensen, Joe Janus, Bob Jones, Gail Glass. Then > there's Brian Pastor who leads a killer big band, and a lot of others I > haven't yet been privileged to work with. Of course, don't forget Blair Bolinger (here on the list). Tom > From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:08:52 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: thanks to you all Message-ID: <19991206060852.90110.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I got an overwhelming amount of mail in response to my questions about >being gay. Most were very generous and supportive. Even the ones which >were not overtly supportive were tolerant, I'd like to sound a warning about tolerance, here. In order to be tolerant, you first have to discriminate. Then you act big enough to tolerate that difference. For all the positive press tolerance gets, it's not a very heart warming concept. Perhaps the worst discrimination, against me, that I've been aware of was because I'm white (actually, more of a sick shade of pink). I was playing jazz in Oakland, at the time. My solution was to make sure that I stayed away from those that put color before musicianship. It sometimes worked and sometimes didn't. But lets face it, I don't want to hand out with bigots, anyway. It's not a perfect solution, but it also kept me away from those "musicians" who wanted to practice several hundred hours for some poor paying job, they landed in some cheesy bar. I was able to stay with the guys/gals who could chart their parts on the first rehearsal, if those charts didn't already exist, and read those charts the next time we met, at the gig. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 06 08:17:12 1999 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:24:43 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: the great Freeze Off! Message-ID: <199912060628.AAA09121@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:43 AM 12/4/99 , you wrote: OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our list has been infiltrated by trumpet players!!!!!!!!! The Horror!!!!!!!!! Actually, I would love to see the results of this experiment when finished. The whole Cyrogenic thing has been discussed here at length in the past and I have found the arguments for and against to be equally compelling. Nick, please keep us informed. It would be great to see this test done by trombonists as well - I live in Minnesota, I don't need cryogenics to subject my horn to -350 degrees, but, some of you guys should give this a try and let us all know what you think :) Mike >Now to the great freeze off. > >I'm sure all of you are aware of the new trend in cryogenic treatment of >brass instruments and the controversy surrounding the efficacy of this >treatment. Well, the trumpeter list has taken up the challenge of >scientifically testing this in a moderately foraml fashion. > >Wayne Tanabe, owner of the Brass Bow near Chicago has a cryo treatment >tank. He has obtained four professional quality trumpets ranging from >lightweight to boat anchors. He has enlisted three professional >trumpeters (myself, Mark Ponzo of NIU and John Hagstrom of the CSO) and >one VERY competent amatuer (Stanton Kramer of the Chicago area, an >excellent musician and trumpeter as wellas a fine photographer, his >chosen field). I played the horns yesterday and filled out a brief >questionaire on each. Next they'll be shipped to Washington DC where >John Lynch will perform a spectrum analysis on each instrumet using his >on salpingometer. He will produce a set of FFT's on each instrument. >All of this will occur BEFORE freezing. I.E., the horns I played >yesterday weren't treated yet. After Lynch has done the preliminary >analysis, the horns will be shipped back to Wayne who will freeze SOME >of the horns, but not all! I think he is going to freeze all but one, >but I am honestly not certain of that. After that, the same players >will come out and replay each instrument and fill out the same >questionaire. As before, Lynch will collect FFT's on the treated >insruments. If the processs works, we should all be able to tell some >sort of difference. If it doesn't work, we should see any detectable >difference. Now obviously, a sample of four horns is small, but it's a >start. > >Have you trombone players done a test such as this? Want to get in on >it? Try contacting Wayne Tanabe at the Brass Bow. > >If you are interested, I'll keep you updated. > >TTFN > >Nick Drozdoff >http://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff >