Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 Date: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. stolen leuph... (Tom Ervin) 2. Re: Huuuhhh! (Adrian Drover) 3. Shires slide for sale -(T-47) $750 (Rod Ellard) 4. Re: equipment question (Daniel Pliskin) 5. Re: Stolen Euphonium found! (Daniel Pliskin) 6. ROCKING RUSSKIES (Phil Burton) 7. Jazz Cimbasso (Eric & Candice Swanson) 8. Re: ROCKING RUSSKIES (Jeff Albert) 9. Fw: Jazz Cimbasso (Gary Maxwell) 10. Re: ROCKING RUSSKIES (Daniel Pliskin) 11. Re: Jazz Cimbasso (Eliezer Aharoni) 12. OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? (Jim Hale) 13. Re: OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? (John Burton) 14. Re: OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? (Daryl Burch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:28:40 -0700 From: Tom Ervin Subject: [Trombone-l] stolen leuph... To: Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <5031D970-8BEE-496A-A848-EBE0E997E752@u.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Reminds one of the tale of the violist who left the viola in the car.....came back and there were 2 violas in the car.... Hi to all! "Is there actually a law against stealing a euphonium? I wasn't aware of that ... SOME instruments, maybe, but stealing a euphonium shouldn't be more than a Class C Misdemeanor, if that ..." :-) Tom Ervin ervint@u.arizona.edu Prof of Trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone player.... ; >} (520)241-4411 (cell) website: tom-ervin.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:39:22 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Huuuhhh! To: "'Steve Gamble'" , "'Trombone-List'" Message-ID: <001e01c882d5$bf62b060$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Steve Gamble > > Some years ago, a group of frustrated people in Scotland decided that > the pleasure of playing in an orchestra should not be limited to those > who are good enough to do so, but should be available to the rankest > of amateurs. So we founded the Really Terrible Orchestra, an inclusive > orchestra for those who really want to play, but who cannot do so very > well. Or cannot do so at all, in some cases. I have to admit to not being the best of players, but goddamit, I was never even considered to apply for a position in this band. I'm really hurt now. I'll never get my confidence back again after seeing this report. And how come the New York Times learned about this bunch of dummies before me. I was thinking of blowing the cobwebs off my 'bone today and do a little practice, but I'm too upset now. Where's my crate of Guinness? If they want me now, it's too late. A. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rod Ellard Subject: [Trombone-l] Shires slide for sale -(T-47) $750 To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <621283.64725.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've reduced the price of my Shires T-47 slide to $750. .547 bore. Good shape with some lacquer wear at contact points. It comes with the Shires No. 2 leadpipe. Rod Ellard Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:36:08 -0700 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] equipment question To: bone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Excuse me, but if you don't like carving reeds, don't play oboe? > > > Is it because the reeds are too expensive to buy ready made, or are oboists > just fussy beings? As an ex-sax player and oboe doubler, I remember I had > to saw about 1/8 inch off the end of the staple to bring it in tune. Guess > I had a very loose embouchure. The problems with buying reeds is that A) They are expensive. B) They're only good for a little while. Then you need to carve on them to get them to play well. So, with a little more effort, you could start with a $1.00 piece of folded cane, tie your own reed and get it to where the bought one was, in about an hour of soaking and five minutes of actual work. So why do oboe players always complain about making reeds? Almost universally, they don't know how to sharpen a knife. And if you can't sharpen a knife, you can't carve a reed. They spend hours and hours trying to make reeds with dull knives and hours and hours complaining about those hours and hours of trying to make reeds with a dull knife. But try to tell an oboe player how to sharpen a knife and you'll get all kinds of malarkey about how much they paid for their knives, how much their stones cost, how their teacher did it, etc. My best knives cost about $10.00 for a piece of laminated Japanese steel, originally sold as a wood scribe for Japanese jointery fiends (of which I suppose I'm one). In about an hour of reshaping and sharpening, I have a laminated steel scraper, which cuts cane easily and smoothly, and stays sharp. And it costs about a tenth of what their Loree knives costs. But for some reason, the Loree trademark is more important than being able to cut cane. As we all know, it's way more fun to have something to complain about than it is to practice. As for cutting an eight inch off the end of the staple, that too is an ego thing. You can buy staples the correct length, but evidently that's not cool. It's way cooler to make your reeds on a staple that's too long for your oboe and then you get to complain about it. It was your oboe that was flat, not your embouchure. I didn't experience "flat because of my embouchure" until I took up trombone. If the reed is the correct length and width for your oboe, it plays in tune, period. Then there's the whole tone thing, which is way too complicated for a trombone discussion group. The next time you find yourself cornered by an oboist, who has to tell you about their reed-making woes, start telling then your personal history of which slide lube you switched to, over the years, and why you wanted/needed to switch. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:39:21 -0700 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stolen Euphonium found! To: Trombone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Is there actually a law against stealing a euphonium? I wasn't aware of > that ... SOME instruments, maybe, but stealing a euphonium shouldn't be more > than a Class C Misdemeanor, if that ... > > :-) Maybe the law is about trying to sell it? 8?) DanP _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Burton Subject: [Trombone-l] ROCKING RUSSKIES To: Trombone List Message-ID: <1872874.36591205177161116.JavaMail.root@mail.montanalinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I think everyone will enjoy this. Although he was not featured, they did have a trombone in the band... Phil http://www.tothepointnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=76 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:45:36 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: [Trombone-l] Jazz Cimbasso To: Trombone List Message-ID: <47D58FE0.7020108@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, I can't resist sending this. I happened across the cimbasso page and found a link to a guy from the WDR Big Band in Cologne playing jazz cimbasso. He's not bad. If fact I think he's my favorite jazz cimbasso player of all time. If you get bored hearing him play the melody, skip up to about 3/8 of the way through to hear his jazz playing. http://www.quesonegro.de/I_cover_the_waterfront_cimbasso.mp3 Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:37:03 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ROCKING RUSSKIES To: "Phil Burton" Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow...I'm into cultural surrealism, and can hang with some pretty out stuff, but that has my head spinning. Wow. Jeff On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Phil Burton wrote: > I think everyone will enjoy this. Although he was not featured, they did have a trombone in the band... > > Phil > > > http://www.tothepointnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=76 > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.openearsmusic.org ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:37:13 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" Subject: [Trombone-l] Fw: Jazz Cimbasso To: Message-ID: <002101c8822d$beb1ed50$4001a8c0@DFXN9451> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks you!!! Eric! Good day! Gary Maxwell Bassbon/Fuchsbon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric & Candice Swanson" To: "Trombone List" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Jazz Cimbasso > OK, I can't resist sending this. I happened across the cimbasso page > and found a link to a guy from the WDR Big Band in Cologne playing jazz > cimbasso. He's not bad. If fact I think he's my favorite jazz cimbasso > player of all time. If you get bored hearing him play the melody, skip > up to about 3/8 of the way through to hear his jazz playing. > > http://www.quesonegro.de/I_cover_the_waterfront_cimbasso.mp3 > > Eric Swanson > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:23:42 -0700 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ROCKING RUSSKIES To: Phil Burton , Trombone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I think everyone will enjoy this. Although he was not featured, they did have a trombone in the band... > > Phil > > http://www.tothepointnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=76 This is a perfect example of why they lost the Cold War. OK, our pop bands get paid a lot of money, but they've got every choir member miked. And what are those bellalikas doing in there? I certainly didn't hear them. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:07:47 +0200 From: Eliezer Aharoni Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Cimbasso To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <000b01c8832d$771019d0$7eb019ac@home6eca4ca62f> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original The "guy from the WDR Big Band in Cologne playing jazz cimbasso" is Mattis Cedeberg, one of Europe's most prominent bass trombonist. He participated in the original Brecker Brothers' recording of "Some Skunk Funk" (2003). He also played with Joe Zavinul, McCoy Turner, Slide Hampton, John Faddis, Maria Schneider and Lee Konitz.. He has also released 2 CDs in electro-psychedelic jazz with "Sonic Metachronic Arkestra" - a seven-piece band: "Metachronicon" and "Overunity". The Cimbasso recording is a ballad version of "I Cover the Waterfront" played very much in George Roberts' style, very expressive with very rich and singing style. The info is included in my forthcoming book "The Non-Classic bass trombone", containing studies in jazz & jazz related style, text describing the development of the bass trombone in these styles, and two playback/solodemo CD's played by Micha Davis, bass trombonist of Israel Philharmonic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric & Candice Swanson" To: "Trombone List" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Jazz Cimbasso > OK, I can't resist sending this. I happened across the cimbasso page > and found a link to a guy from the WDR Big Band in Cologne playing jazz > cimbasso. He's not bad. If fact I think he's my favorite jazz cimbasso > player of all time. If you get bored hearing him play the melody, skip > up to about 3/8 of the way through to hear his jazz playing. > > http://www.quesonegro.de/I_cover_the_waterfront_cimbasso.mp3 > > Eric Swanson > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:05:57 -0500 From: "Jim Hale" Subject: [Trombone-l] OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? To: "Mailing List - Trombone-L" Message-ID: <007a01c88370$4813eba0$d83bc2e0$@hale-ml@themiditrombone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm rapidly approaching my next birthday at the end of the month (#42) and am contemplating asking my wife for this for my birthday: http://www.lotusmusic.com/index.html Does anyone have (or have experience with) one of these? I'm currently in Theory II in College and want to know if this will help me out and (possibly) also help me with my improv. I'm also looking at writing my own stuff in the future - mainly Wind Ensemble and Symphonic Band type pieces. Is it worth the $30? Thanks! Jim Hale The MIDI Trombone BBS - http://bbs.themiditrombone.net Fantastic Adventures Online BBS - http://bbs.fantasticadventuresonline.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0400 From: "John Burton" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? To: "Mailing List - Trombone-L" Message-ID: <2C761FD6AEB2B640BF5524B1DD167C9D0A1BBC@centralstorage.johnburton.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't own one, but if this tool will help you in working with the "circle of fifths", it's worth $30. That circle of fifths is a must know for anyone moving into the jazz world. Looks like it has a few other goodies as well. Wish I were turning 42 again.... Be well, and Happy Birthday!!! ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Hale > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:06 AM > To: Mailing List - Trombone-L > Subject: [Trombone-l] OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? > > I'm rapidly approaching my next birthday at the end of the > month (#42) and am contemplating asking my wife for this for > my birthday: > > http://www.lotusmusic.com/index.html > > Does anyone have (or have experience with) one of these? I'm > currently in Theory II in College and want to know if this > will help me out and > (possibly) > also help me with my improv. I'm also looking at writing my > own stuff in the > > future - mainly Wind Ensemble and Symphonic Band type pieces. > > Is it worth the $30? > > Thanks! > > Jim Hale > The MIDI Trombone BBS - http://bbs.themiditrombone.net > Fantastic Adventures Online BBS - > http://bbs.fantasticadventuresonline.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:17:18 -0700 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? To: John Burton Cc: Mailing List - Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'm not sure if it'll help your harmonizing, but the chick on the voiceover made me feel like I took too much haldol again. If anything it would provide a visual reference for the harmonics of whatever chord/key your working on/in. If that helps you out, I'm sure you've spent more on lunch at some point! ...or it could serve as something to throw when you can't quite get the changes you want. Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Mar 11, 2008, at 7:32 AM, John Burton wrote: I don't own one, but if this tool will help you in working with the "circle of fifths", it's worth $30. That circle of fifths is a must know for anyone moving into the jazz world. Looks like it has a few other goodies as well. Wish I were turning 42 again.... Be well, and Happy Birthday!!! ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Hale > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:06 AM > To: Mailing List - Trombone-L > Subject: [Trombone-l] OT: The Harmonizer - Tool or Toy? > > I'm rapidly approaching my next birthday at the end of the > month (#42) and am contemplating asking my wife for this for > my birthday: > > http://www.lotusmusic.com/index.html > > Does anyone have (or have experience with) one of these? I'm > currently in Theory II in College and want to know if this > will help me out and > (possibly) > also help me with my improv. I'm also looking at writing my > own stuff in the > > future - mainly Wind Ensemble and Symphonic Band type pieces. > > Is it worth the $30? > > Thanks! > > Jim Hale > The MIDI Trombone BBS - http://bbs.themiditrombone.net > Fantastic Adventures Online BBS - > http://bbs.fantasticadventuresonline.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 ******************************************