Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 20 Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 20 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Civil War Bands (Frank Darmiento) 2. Re: Civil War Bands (Ray Horton) 3. Re: Civil War Bands (Bruce Guttman) 4. Re: Civil War Bands (Harry Wootan) 5. Re: Civil War Bands (Adrian Drover) 6. Re: Civil War Bands (Wayne Dyess) 7. Re: Civil War Bands (Danner, Mearl) 8. Re: Civil War Bands (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 9. Re: Civil War Bands (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 10. Re: Civil War Bands (bjmchaffie@aol.com) 11. Re: Civil War Bands (thetubameister@adelphia.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Darmiento Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: thetubameister@adelphia.net, Trombone-L Cc: donlarry@hotmail.com Message-ID: <160669.8504.qm@web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I don't know what part of the country you're in, but there's a pretty good group that plays mostly 19th century music here in Arizona. The group is Territorial Brass. Their web site is: www.territorialbrass.com The contact information is at the bottom of the main web page (Don Larry). Frank --- thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm exploring getting a Civil War renactment band to > share a concert with a local orchestra. I realize > there are almost never trombones in these groups, > just the over-the-shoulder saxhorns, but who are the > best - preferrably pro - groups that people know of. > > Thanks in advance for your help - oh, and keep those > section trombone postings coming! > > J.c.S. > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Frank T. Darmiento Scottsdale, Arizona frank@darmiento.com www.SackbutMusic.com --------------------------- Frank Darmiento's latest jazz CD 'Sudden Impact' is available from Summit Records at: http://www.summitrecords.com/product.tmpl?SKU=339 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:33:25 -0500 From: Ray Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: Wayne Dyess Cc: bone list Message-ID: <47BB5935.6070101@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I know Steve Charpie! He used to be in this area a lot and sub with us on trumpet. Below is a link to a CD Steve gave me o f his pet project. "Custer's Last Band" - music of Felix Vinatieri - who was, besides being Custer's band director, was a band leader during the Civil War, so this may be pertinent to the discussion. http://www.usd.edu/smm/Vinatierimusic.html When Steve was here I tried to talk him into he and I preparing some of the music for modern brass band, but he seemed exhausted by the project at the time. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Louisville Orchestra Wayne Dyess wrote: > I have a friend who was touring with the Jack Daniels Silver Cornet > Band. He gave me a CD some years ago, and they were terrific. Lots > of southern California guys. Steve Charpie is my friend from my Navy > days. I think this is the band he was in. I can't put my hands on > that CD at the moment. > > http://www.silvercornet.com/ > > > On Feb 19, 2008, at 10:27 AM, wrote: > > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm exploring getting a Civil War renactment band to share a >> concert with a local orchestra. I realize there are almost never >> trombones in these groups, just the over-the-shoulder saxhorns, but >> who are the best - preferrably pro - groups that people know of. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help - oh, and keep those section >> trombone postings coming! >> >> J.c.S. >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > Dr. J. Wayne Dyess > Professor of Trombone > and Director of Jazz Studies > P. O. Box 10044 > Lamar University-Beaumont, Texas 77710 > Visit our alumni jazz band website @ > http://www.ndotex.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:59:36 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <200802192159_MC3-1-FC15-73D2@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 They aren't professional, but Mayberrys "Yankee Brass Band" is an excellent Civil War Re-enactment band. They tour New England through the summer playing on a collection of Over the Shoulder Saxhorns most of which belong to Mark Elrod. The Sexton Cornet Band is also excellent. The Jack Daniels Silver Cornet Band is recreating music of the late 19th century, not truly Civil War. Still, they have an excellent show. One thing to be careful of in playing with Civil War Reenactors is that they usually tune their instruments to mid-19th century standard: A=465 Hz. This puts them quite high relative to a modern A=440 orchestra. If you merely want genuine Civil War era music, you can find the part books to the 3rd NH Volunteers by going to the Library of Congress American Memory site and going into the Music listings. This music was arranged for the 3rd NH Volunteers by none other than Claudio Grafulla (Washington Grays) who happened to be band master for a New York regiment. There is also additional arrangements at that site. There was also a set of books published by Kjos called "Heritage Americana" which included a number of arrangements from different Civil War bands arranged for a more modern ensemble: 2 cornets, 2 horns, 3 trombones, baritone, and tuba. The collection includes "The Star Spangled Banner" from the 3rd NH Regiment Band, as played for the raising of the American Flag over Fort Sumter in 1865. Good luck. Bruce Guttman Member of Nevers 2nd Regiment Band of Concord NH Formerly the 3rd NH Volunteers Band ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:17:15 -0600 From: "Harry Wootan" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: , "'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu'" Message-ID: <002001c8737f$dbdd1880$0601a8c0@WOOTAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Which side are you on? :-) The Olde Towne Brass in Huntsville AL is a very good band. Here's their website: http://www.otbrass.com/ They play original Civil War music on original over-the-shoulder horns. When they play they typically provide info about the songs, the composers, and their horns. Lots of interesting stuff. You might even be interested in their website just to see their collection of horns. - Harry -----Original Message----- From: thetubameister@adelphia.net [mailto:thetubameister@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:28 AM To: trombone-l: server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands Hi All, I'm exploring getting a Civil War renactment band to share a concert with a local orchestra. I realize there are almost never trombones in these groups, just the over-the-shoulder saxhorns, but who are the best - preferrably pro - groups that people know of. Thanks in advance for your help - oh, and keep those section trombone postings coming! J.c.S. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:34:55 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: "'Harry Wootan'" , , "'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu'" Message-ID: <000001c8739b$7a759330$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Harry Wootan > > http://www.otbrass.com/ > > You might even be interested in their website just to see their collection > of horns. Looks like all the alto, tenor and bass instruments had backward facing bells. Not very good planning for scaring the shit out of the enemy. Bagpipes would have been a better choice. A. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:39:10 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: "Adrian Drover" Cc: "'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu'" , 'Harry Wootan' Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 20, 2008, at 2:34 AM, Adrian Drover wrote: >> From: Harry Wootan >> >> http://www.otbrass.com/ >> >> You might even be interested in their website just to see their >> collection >> of horns. > > > Looks like all the alto, tenor and bass instruments had backward > facing > bells. Not very good planning for scaring the shit out of the enemy. > Bagpipes would have been a better choice. Bagpipes are ALWAYS a better choice. Right? ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:08:38 -0600 From: "Danner, Mearl" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: "trombone-l" Message-ID: <821AB4E5068CAB43A2539D4DD81F38E30DE12596@SAMFORDMAIL.ad.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Especially with a guy wearing a skirt playing it!!! -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Dyess Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:39 AM To: Adrian Drover Cc: trombone-l; 'Harry Wootan' Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands > Bagpipes would have been a better choice. Bagpipes are ALWAYS a better choice. Right? _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 6:23:59 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: Harry Wootan Cc: "'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu'" Message-ID: <29961517.1203517439915.JavaMail.root@web13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I know the tubist from Jack Daniels - I talked to him about it, and - indeed - they're not from the Lincoln period. His Bicentenial is coming, don't you know. This is in Cleveland, so transportation will be an issue for sure - no recommended bands in the area! J.c.S. ---- Harry Wootan wrote: > Which side are you on? :-) > > The Olde Towne Brass in Huntsville AL is a very good band. Here's their > website: > > http://www.otbrass.com/ > > They play original Civil War music on original over-the-shoulder horns. When > they play they typically provide info about the songs, the composers, and > their horns. Lots of interesting stuff. > > You might even be interested in their website just to see their collection > of horns. > > - Harry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thetubameister@adelphia.net [mailto:thetubameister@adelphia.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:28 AM > To: trombone-l: server5.samford.edu > Subject: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands > > > Hi All, > > I'm exploring getting a Civil War renactment band to share a concert with a > local orchestra. I realize there are almost never trombones in these > groups, just the over-the-shoulder saxhorns, but who are the best - > preferrably pro - groups that people know of. > > Thanks in advance for your help - oh, and keep those section trombone > postings coming! > > J.c.S. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 6:26:30 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: Adrian Drover Cc: "'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu'" , 'Harry Wootan' Message-ID: <18665339.1203517590656.JavaMail.root@web13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Geeze, Adrian. You're not supposed to make me laugh that loudly at work, for crying out loud! :-D Everyone thinks I've lost it. Thanks for my good morning joke; maybe the strategy was to scare hell out of your own troops first? J.c. ---- Adrian Drover wrote: > > > > From: Harry Wootan > > > > http://www.otbrass.com/ > > > > You might even be interested in their website just to see their collection > > of horns. > > > Looks like all the alto, tenor and bass instruments had backward facing > bells. Not very good planning for scaring the shit out of the enemy. > Bagpipes would have been a better choice. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:48:56 -0500 From: bjmchaffie@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: thetubameister@adelphia.net, slide@adios.co.uk Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, hpw3@mindspring.com Message-ID: <8CA41E6DA76407D-DEC-500@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Many years ago while doing some research on Dixieland, I ran across a book in our library which had several pages on Civil War Bands, and it was concluded by the scources of the book that those bands played in front of the marching soldiers, thus the back facing horns. It did appear in some of the photos that an instrument resembling an ophleclide was also used, but it did not face backwards while played of course. The bandsmen were dressed in Soave pants, vests, and blouses. The library has been modernised therefore that kind of reference material has been removed. beldon wade -----Original Message----- From: thetubameister@adelphia.net To: Adrian Drover Cc: 'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu' ; 'Harry Wootan' Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 9:26 am Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands Geeze, Adrian. You're not supposed to make me laugh that loudly at work, for crying out loud! :-D Everyone thinks I've lost it. Thanks for my good morning joke; maybe the strategy was to scare hell out of your own troops first? J.c. ---- Adrian Drover wrote: > > > > From: Harry Wootan > > > > http://www.otbrass.com/ > > > > You might even be interested in their website just to see their collection > > of horns. > > > Looks like all the alto, tenor and bass instruments had backward facing > bells. Not very good planning for scaring the shit out of the enemy. > Bagpipes would have been a better choice. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 9:08:31 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands To: bjmchaffie@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, hpw3@mindspring.com Message-ID: <11817986.1203527311572.JavaMail.root@web23> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I suppose I should fess up a little, Oberlin College had an annual Civil War Band, which we called the Wellington Saxhorn Band, after a surviving period drum from a nearby town. I ran the band for a couple years, spending a week making the instruments in the President's collection function, then a week of rehearsals and performances. Great fun. However, even though we all had OTS saxhorns (over the shoulder), rarely were bands of the time that uniform. I through in a little ophicleide here and there to break up the homogeneity, but it was a great time none the less. However, I left that life 14 years ago, so I'm glad y'all are helping me reconnect to this idiom and the great repro bands now around! J.c.S. ---- bjmchaffie@aol.com wrote: > Many years ago while doing some research on Dixieland, I ran across a > book in our library which had several pages on Civil War Bands, and it > was concluded by the scources of the book that those bands played in > front of the marching soldiers, thus the back facing horns. It did > appear in some of the photos that an instrument resembling an > ophleclide was also used, but it did not face backwards while played of > course. > > The bandsmen were dressed in Soave pants, vests, and blouses. > > The library has been modernised therefore that kind of reference > material has been removed. > > beldon wade > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thetubameister@adelphia.net > To: Adrian Drover > Cc: 'trombone-l: server5.samford.edu' ; > 'Harry Wootan' > Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 9:26 am > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Civil War Bands > > > > Geeze, Adrian. You're not supposed to make me laugh that loudly at > work, for > crying out loud! :-D > > Everyone thinks I've lost it. > > Thanks for my good morning joke; maybe the strategy was to scare hell > out of > your own troops first? > > J.c. > > ---- Adrian Drover wrote: > > > > > > > From: Harry Wootan > > > > > > http://www.otbrass.com/ > > > > > > You might even be interested in their website just to see their > collection > > > of horns. > > > > > > Looks like all the alto, tenor and bass instruments had backward > facing > > bells. Not very good planning for scaring the shit out of the enemy. > > Bagpipes would have been a better choice. > > > > A. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 20 ******************************************