Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 16 Date: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 16 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Part needed -Mack and Mable (Eliezer Aharoni) 2. Re: Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library (Al MacDonald) 3. Re: Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library (Keith Marr) 4. Orchestral parts (Eric Edwards) 5. Re: Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library (Howard Weiner) 6. Re: Orchestral parts (Charles DePaolo) 7. Re: Equipment Survey (Tom Izzo) 8. Re: Equipment Survey (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 9. Re: Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library (Charles DePaolo) 10. Re: Equipment Survey (Philip Brink) 11. Beyond Dentures (DAVID FETTER) 12. Re: Equipment Survey (Keith Marr) 13. Case for motorcycle (Heather Nielsen) 14. Re: Case for motorcycle (Charles DePaolo) 15. -Unsubscride- (scottsweeney@nc.rr.com) 16. Re: -Unsubscride- (David Johansen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:18:08 +0200 From: Eliezer Aharoni Subject: [Trombone-l] Part needed -Mack and Mable To: List Trombone Message-ID: <002701c86fff$1dab0530$7eb019ac@home6eca4ca62f> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 Hello listers Anybody has the bass trombone part ofMack and Mable Overture by Herman (arranged: Wilkinson)? Eliezer Aharoni ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:36:34 -0700 From: Al MacDonald Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library To: Rod Ellard , Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <35696435.20080215123634@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes. It's a company that does the same thing, but for all instruments. And they aren't excerpts - they are full parts (Gordon Cherry's collection as well as Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM Library). Al RE> Is this different than Gordon Cherry's collection of excerpts? (Cherry Music) RE> R. RE> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! RE> http://www.flickr.com/gift/ RE> _______________________________________________ RE> Trombone-l mailing list RE> Trombone-l@samford.edu RE> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:03:44 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original < ---- Original Message ----- < < I indicated in line the pieces I know have trombones [mostly Handel]... < Mehul? I don't really know, Herold, definitely! With so few pieces I < doubt it's worth your while... < < Why don't more composers write more trombone parts? Grrr! < < Just as I thought! Maybe not worth the price. I stretched a point and bought volume 7, Hayden and Mozart, because it had The Creation parts on it (often used in auditions and no doubt available elsewhere more cheaply) and really don't think volume 10 is going to be any use. Mind you the parts for Israel in Egypt are quite lively. Volume 11 (upcoming) will be another story though - Wagner! On a serious point about composers writing more trombone parts we have become aware in the last couple of decades or performance practices, particularly in Vienna, whereby the trombone parts never appeared in the score, only in the parts. This was because they didn't appear in the score unless they were playing separately to the alto, tenor and bass lines of the choir. Folks like Howard Weiner and Ken Shivering will know more about this than I do, but the thought is there that trombones got much more use through that period than we used to think. On the other hand there's evidence that many trombone players of the period made a living by doubling on viola (oh the shame! . . . .) Thanks to Phil for looking through the list and providing such a swift answer to the original question. Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone: St Albans Symphony Orchestra and Page Three Big Band Soloist: Alto, Tenor and Bass Trombones ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:10:50 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] Orchestral parts To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Speaking of orchestral parts. I was on the Hickey's site trying to find parts to the Shostakovich 8th. But there wasn't even a listing for Shost. Are they not available? Thanks Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily Edwards "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:29:25 +0100 From: Howard Weiner Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library To: "Keith Marr" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <0MKxQS-1JQ7Ce0NZa-0003Z3@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 20:03 15.02.2008 +0000, Keith Marr wrote: >On a serious point about composers writing more trombone parts we have >become aware in the last couple of decades or performance practices, >particularly in Vienna, whereby the trombone parts never appeared in the >score, only in the parts. This was because they didn't appear in the score >unless they were playing separately to the alto, tenor and bass lines of the >choir. Trombones were indeed used quite a bit in Vienna during the 18th century, though I would not go so far as to say that they "never" appeared in the scores, because they often did. Nevertheless, if I wanted to make an edition of a piece from this period, I would be sure to consult both the score and the surviving performance material. One thing though: the usual "ripieno" group in this repertoire consisted of a cornetto, TWO trombones, and a bassoon, i.e., no trombone doubling the bass voice. Howard -- Howard Weiner h.weiner@online.de http://howard-weiner.de/ Tosca jumped to a conclusion. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:24:58 -0500 From: "Charles DePaolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral parts To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <01b801c87019$379d05f0$9e00a8c0@WS> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Eric, Shostakowich's works are still under copyright and are therefore not available through the usual channels of "for-sale" orchestral repertoire. Typically the parts are only available as part of a rented set. Orchestras may produce copies of parts or sections thereof for the purposes of conducting auditions, but only with the permission of the copyright holder. To wit, see how the Boston Symphony has handled the current audition for principal trombone. To get around this limitation, when I was in college I used to pull scores from the library and write out the bass trombone parts to the pieces I was trying to study (trying being the operative word). That and walk uphill both ways in the snow, etc. etc. and so forth. --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Edwards To: Trombone-L Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Orchestral parts Speaking of orchestral parts. I was on the Hickey's site trying to find parts to the Shostakovich 8th. But there wasn't even a listing for Shost. Are they not available? Thanks Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily Edwards "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Equipment Survey To: thetubameister@adelphia.net, "trombone-l: server5.samford.edu" Message-ID: <576561.51391.qm@web52709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 JC, --- thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > Howdy, > > Years ago, a tubist (Gene Pokorny?) did a servey of > major symphony orchestra players and what equipment > they owned and used. This was published in the > T.U.B.A. Magazine at the time (1990?). > > Has anyone completed a similar survey for Trombones, > especially (for me) Bass Trombones? It would be an > interesting read, certainly, and would be even more > interesting for perspective auditioners to find out > what's been played iun the section to which they are > applying. > > Anything like this out there? > I believe Doug Yeo has just such a list but for BSO only, from the founding of the orchestra to present day. Not other orchestras, officially, anyway. I can tell you what instruments our section (including subs) use in the West Suburban (Chi) S.O. Tom > J.c.S. > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:45:23 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Equipment Survey To: Tom Izzo Cc: "trombone-l: server5.samford.edu" Message-ID: <28142932.1203111923255.JavaMail.root@web32> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hmmm... Maybe I should start gathering the information myself... Hmm.... Sure, Tom. Give me your list (please try to limit it to less than 100 :-) J.c. ---- Tom Izzo wrote: > JC, > > --- thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > Years ago, a tubist (Gene Pokorny?) did a servey of > > major symphony orchestra players and what equipment > > they owned and used. This was published in the > > T.U.B.A. Magazine at the time (1990?). > > > > Has anyone completed a similar survey for Trombones, > > especially (for me) Bass Trombones? It would be an > > interesting read, certainly, and would be even more > > interesting for perspective auditioners to find out > > what's been played iun the section to which they are > > applying. > > > > Anything like this out there? > > > > I believe Doug Yeo has just such a list but for BSO > only, from the founding of the orchestra to present > day. > Not other orchestras, officially, anyway. > > I can tell you what instruments our section (including > subs) use in the West Suburban (Chi) S.O. > > Tom > > > > J.c.S. > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > Tom Izzo > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; > Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; > Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ > (630) 765-0154 > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:56:31 -0500 From: "Charles DePaolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <01d101c8701d$9fc7c0d0$9e00a8c0@WS> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response >> >>Too soon for you to have them on the website I take it unless they're >>listed separately from the other orchestral parts. >> >>Any idea why Volume 9 is only available to USA? >> Keith, Right now the volume 10's are on the homepage. Later they'll appear with their respective instruments. I hadn't heard about a USA-only restriction on volume 9. But looking at the contents it seems likely. There are quite a few later composers, including Sibelius, Webern, Bloch and Strauss, who probably have copyright restrictions in effect in Germany and elsewhere. The publisher would be restricted from selling into countries that had such restrictions. --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Marr To: Charles DePaolo Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library < ----- Original Message ----- < < From: Charles DePaolo < Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM library < < By the way, we have the complete set as of this week. < < (please quote this message if you reply) < < In Music, < ---Charles De Paolo, co-owner < < Charles Too soon for you to have them on the website I take it unless they're listed separately from the other orchestral parts. Any idea why Volume 9 is only available to USA? Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone: St Albans Symphony Orchestra and Page Three Big Band Soloist: Alto, Tenor and Bass Trombones ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:48:09 +0700 From: "Philip Brink" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Equipment Survey To: thetubameister@adelphia.net Cc: "trombone-l: server5.samford.edu" Message-ID: <65eceedf0802151648j735e14f7ibbf1f4d5fd1f210a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll start. The Thailand Philharmonic section plays Edwards. There! Phil Brink On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 4:45 AM, wrote: > Hmmm... Maybe I should start gathering the information myself... Hmm.... > > Sure, Tom. Give me your list (please try to limit it to less than 100 :-) > > J.c. > > > ---- Tom Izzo wrote: > > JC, > > > > --- thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > Years ago, a tubist (Gene Pokorny?) did a servey of > > > major symphony orchestra players and what equipment > > > they owned and used. This was published in the > > > T.U.B.A. Magazine at the time (1990?). > > > > > > Has anyone completed a similar survey for Trombones, > > > especially (for me) Bass Trombones? It would be an > > > interesting read, certainly, and would be even more > > > interesting for perspective auditioners to find out > > > what's been played iun the section to which they are > > > applying. > > > > > > Anything like this out there? > > > > > > > I believe Doug Yeo has just such a list but for BSO > > only, from the founding of the orchestra to present > > day. > > Not other orchestras, officially, anyway. > > > > I can tell you what instruments our section (including > > subs) use in the West Suburban (Chi) S.O. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > J.c.S. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trombone-l mailing list > > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > > > > Tom Izzo > > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; > > Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; > > Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; > > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, > Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. > > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ > > (630) 765-0154 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:23:41 -0500 From: DAVID FETTER Subject: [Trombone-l] Beyond Dentures To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Regarding dentures, or, here, another device: When I was in The U. S. Army Band in, I confess, 1962-65 or thereabouts, there was an older gent in the trombone section, Al Goepper (spelling?), who used used cut up pencil erasers, pieces about 1/4 inch by 1/4 inch by 1 inch, to keep his jaws apart when he played the trombone. He chewed up the eraser pieces as he played. An especially heavy band program could be a "two eraser night." His wife prepared the eraser sections for him by boiling them in clove water and storing them in a plastic tub. With my straight tone as an orchestral player, after I played the Berlioz Recitative and Prayer as a soloist one summer with the band, Al, in a not unkindly voice, described my style as "Moo moo." Another trombonist, a tall distinguished, aging gent who doubled as back-up drum major, lurked in wait for any long Rossinian crescendo in the music, so he could lean over to me and say, quite accurately, "Sounds like sunrise on a turkey farm." David Fetter Conservatory Trombone Faculty Member Peabody Institute 1 East Mount Vernon Place Baltimore, MD 21202 410 659-8100, ext. 1254; fax 410 783-8562 home 410 889-2277, cell 443 691-2686 web page: www.peabody.jhu.edu/DavidFetter ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:23:40 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Equipment Survey To: "trombone-l: server5.samford.edu" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original St Albans Symphony plays Conn 88HO on 1st (Weril alto when relevant), Conn 88HCL on 2nd, Rath R9DST on 3rd. Page Three Big Band plays Olds Super on 1st, Conn 6H on 2nd, King 3B on 3rd, and Rath R9DST on 4th. The Rath works well, but I'm thinking about Kanstul 1662i for big band. Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone: St Albans Symphony Orchestra and Page Three Big Band Soloist: Alto, Tenor and Bass Trombones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Brink" To: Cc: "trombone-l: server5.samford.edu" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Equipment Survey > I'll start. The Thailand Philharmonic section plays Edwards. There! > > Phil Brink > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 4:45 AM, wrote: > >> Hmmm... Maybe I should start gathering the information myself... Hmm.... >> >> Sure, Tom. Give me your list (please try to limit it to less than 100 >> :-) >> >> J.c. >> >> >> ---- Tom Izzo wrote: >> > JC, >> > >> > --- thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >> > >> > > Howdy, >> > > >> > > Years ago, a tubist (Gene Pokorny?) did a servey of >> > > major symphony orchestra players and what equipment >> > > they owned and used. This was published in the >> > > T.U.B.A. Magazine at the time (1990?). >> > > >> > > Has anyone completed a similar survey for Trombones, >> > > especially (for me) Bass Trombones? It would be an >> > > interesting read, certainly, and would be even more >> > > interesting for perspective auditioners to find out >> > > what's been played iun the section to which they are >> > > applying. >> > > >> > > Anything like this out there? >> > > >> > >> > I believe Doug Yeo has just such a list but for BSO >> > only, from the founding of the orchestra to present >> > day. >> > Not other orchestras, officially, anyway. >> > >> > I can tell you what instruments our section (including >> > subs) use in the West Suburban (Chi) S.O. >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > > J.c.S. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Trombone-l mailing list >> > > Trombone-l@samford.edu >> > > >> > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > >> > >> > >> > Tom Izzo >> > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; >> > Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; >> > Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; >> > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, >> Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. >> > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ >> > (630) 765-0154 >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> > Be a better friend, newshound, and >> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Trombone-l mailing list >> > Trombone-l@samford.edu >> > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:44:16 -0500 From: "Heather Nielsen" Subject: [Trombone-l] Case for motorcycle To: Message-ID: <00a001c870bb$2c8b6fb0$69d2ca4b@userccfd9b51a5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm debating getting a bike (cruiser type). I have a friend that rides his with his tuba or his euphonium. I was wondering if anyone has down this, and if so, what type of case do you use - hard, gig bag, etc? I currently have a Gig Bag gig bag. Thanks. Heather ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:23:29 -0500 From: "Charles DePaolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Case for motorcycle To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <00b101c870c0$a5c51ed0$9e00a8c0@WS> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Heather, I used to ride a bike (Honda 650) with my bass trombone in a gig bag slung across my back like a rifle. Worked very well. The only way the horn could become damaged was if I too was damaged (physically, that is). Another time I taught lessons at a summer camp and commuted every day on the same bike. I'd bungee cord a trumpet & clarinet in hard cases to the seat, in addition to the bone across the back bit. Euphonium bags are not all that large, so you should be able to get away with it across your back as I did with my horn. Tuba? Well maybe for that you need to start thinking about a side car. --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Nielsen To: trombone-l@samford.edu Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Case for motorcycle I'm debating getting a bike (cruiser type). I have a friend that rides his with his tuba or his euphonium. I was wondering if anyone has down this, and if so, what type of case do you use - hard, gig bag, etc? I currently have a Gig Bag gig bag. Thanks. Heather _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:34:29 -0500 From: Subject: [Trombone-l] -Unsubscride- To: Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <16217452.694991203183269599.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Please UNSUBSCRIBE me. Got a new email and will be not checking this account anymore. Thank you very much. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:49:07 -0600 From: David Johansen Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] -Unsubscride- Cc: Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <47B72213.6040600@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I guess there's no point in telling him how to do it properly, then. scottsweeney@nc.rr.com wrote: > Please UNSUBSCRIBE me. > Got a new email and will be not checking this account anymore. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 16 ******************************************