Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 Date: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Buzz Mute? (Tom Izzo) 2. Re: flying with double bag (Tom Izzo) 3. Old and New Parts (Edwin Stoddard) 4. Re: Embrouchure problem--help for a friend (Stan Brager) 5. Re: Embrouchure problem--help for a friend (Jeff Albert) 6. Re: Old and New Parts (Dave and Pam Sherman) 7. Re: Buzz Mute? (Craig) 8. Re: Trombone-l Embrouchure problem--help for a friend (John Cather) 9. Re: Embrouchure problem--help for a friend (Richard Corliss) 10. Re: Buzz Mute? (Wayne Dyess) 11. Re: Buzz Mute? (Adrian Drover) 12. Re: Buzz Mute? (Adrian Drover) 13. Miraphone (Marius Helg?) 14. Christ The Lord for Brass Quintet (Retiredprof55) 15. Re: Saxophone Joke (Elliott Moxley) 16. Re: Saxophone Joke (Earl Needham) 17. Re: Saxophone Joke (Matmutt@aol.com) 18. Re: Saxophone Joke (Adrian Drover) 19. Re: Saxophone Joke (Earl Needham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? To: Adrian Drover , mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us, "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <184897.76323.qm@web52712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yep, that's it!!! My first time seeing one for Trombone. I might have to get one. :-) Thanks, guys. Tom --- Adrian Drover wrote: > > > > From: Mike Loewen > > > > Humes & Berg made a buzz mute (HB157) which is > variously described as > > either a "raspy buzz" or "buzz-wow" mute. Dillon > has a picture: > > > > > http://www.dillonmusic.com/HeleoCart/ProductPage/HB-157.aspx > > > > The ad. says "A real attention getter with varied > and unusual buzz effects. > this buzz sound will astonish everyone..." > > > I bet it will, if the rest of the section are using > cups or buckets. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag To: Jeff Albert , trombone-l Message-ID: <463716.19040.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Jeff, --- Jeff Albert wrote: > Has anyone had any experience flying with a double > gig bag? Do those > Cronkhite double bags fit in an overhead? Any other > creative > solutions to traveling with two trombones? > They would fit in the overhead, yes, but not in the testing sample in the airport. So you may have to get lucky. I've been able to "sneak" on a double with Alto/Tenor, but never been able to get them to look the other way, so to speak, with a Tenor/Bass double case. When I flew to the New Orleans ITF, the airline made me check the Triple case (Picc/Sopranino/Sop), & it DID fit into the sample holder at the airport. So good luck. The only case I've sucessfully ALWAYS gotten on board with, is the Cronkhite Alto gig bag. Tom > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:38:20 +0000 From: Edwin Stoddard Subject: [Trombone-l] Old and New Parts To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There was recently a Conn 50H slide section - new old stock - for sale on Ebay -- went for only $150. I have a 1954 Conn 78H with bad slides - my favorite horn. Does anybody know if the 50H slides (.525) would mate with the 78H bell (78H = .523) ? Thanks very much. Ed Stoddard estod@msn.com Brunswick, GA _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:14:15 -0800 From: "Stan Brager" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend To: , Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <003301c86b60$bdfd5db0$6401a8c0@Trombonisaurus> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Chris; The trumpet mail list can be found and subscribed to at this URL: http://www.tpin.org/ Stan Stan Brager Trombonist-in-Training ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:18 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend > Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist > who helps players with embrouchures? > > I have a trumpet embrouchure question on behalf of a friend. This > friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of > his embrouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. > Just no support, almost randomly. > > makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine > Corps Days (rifle range). > > Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits > in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method > of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp > available). > > Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other > sources. t5 > > Doublers, what say you? > > Chris Ann > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:17:35 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend To: "mcclurefamily@srt.com" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There is a teacher in NY named Laurie Frink, who has received praise as a chop doctor from some great jazz trumpet players. That might be worth checking out. I don't have any contact info, but google should get you there. Jeff On Feb 9, 2008 6:18 AM, mcclurefamily@srt.com wrote: > Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist > who helps players with embrouchures? > > I have a trumpet embrouchure question on behalf of a friend. This > friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of > his embrouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. > Just no support, almost randomly. > > makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine > Corps Days (rifle range). > > Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits > in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method > of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp > available). > > Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other > sources. t5 > > Doublers, what say you? > > Chris Ann > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.openearsmusic.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:34:09 -0500 From: Dave and Pam Sherman Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Old and New Parts To: Edwin Stoddard Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <47AE2A61.9000001@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I would caution you on the 50H slide. The 50H had problems with pitting on the inner tubes. I'm not sure what years were involved. Also I doubt that the lead pipes are the same as the 78H. That being said, I have replaced the inner tubes on a couple of 50H's and replaced the leadpipe on one with one from a Conn 88H (.525bore). It is now a great playing slide. I think that the slides are interchangeable but I defer to someone who knows for sure. The 50H slide fit a 76H century that I had. I would consider having your 78H slide rebuilt. Regards, Dave Sherman www.daveshermantrombone.com Edwin Stoddard wrote: > There was recently a Conn 50H slide section - new old stock - for sale on Ebay -- went for only $150. > > I have a 1954 Conn 78H with bad slides - my favorite horn. > > Does anybody know if the 50H slides (.525) would mate with the 78H bell (78H = .523) ? > > Thanks very much. > > Ed Stoddard > estod@msn.com > Brunswick, GA > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > -- Dave Sherman www.daveshermantrombone.com www.daveshermanphoto.com Pamela Sherman http://members.cox.net/pamela523 http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q53/pamela523/?action=view¤t=1b1ed5a3.pbw ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:18:17 -0800 From: Craig Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? To: "'Tom Izzo'" , "'Adrian Drover'" , mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us, "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <000001c86b8b$333dbf50$6501a8c0@Reception> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I ordered 2 of them from H&B, it took 13 months, yes, MONTHS to get. It got to be a joke in the band. We wondered if we would ever get them. Perhaps we overloaded their manufacturing capacity? They are REALLY cheesy, but given the amount of pain we endured in getting them, we make sure we use them once in a while, even if it's simply to inflict pain on the rest of the band. Craig H -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Izzo Sent: February 9, 2008 10:08 AM To: Adrian Drover; mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us; 'Trombone-L' Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? Yep, that's it!!! My first time seeing one for Trombone. I might have to get one. :-) Thanks, guys. Tom --- Adrian Drover wrote: > > > > From: Mike Loewen > > > > Humes & Berg made a buzz mute (HB157) which is > variously described as > > either a "raspy buzz" or "buzz-wow" mute. Dillon > has a picture: > > > > > http://www.dillonmusic.com/HeleoCart/ProductPage/HB-157.aspx > > > > The ad. says "A real attention getter with varied > and unusual buzz effects. > this buzz sound will astonish everyone..." > > > I bet it will, if the rest of the section are using > cups or buckets. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:25:12 -0800 From: John Cather Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Embrouchure problem--help for a friend To: trombone-l@samford.edu, mcclurefamily@srt.com Message-ID: <67FB3F6D-1E3B-45E5-8B03-76AA9108A1FF@Cathermusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Yes, TPIN (Trumpet Players International Network) There are a couple of medical doctor types on the list. Contact the list owner Micheal Anderson at tpin-owner@tpin.okcu.edu He's a terrific guy and will want to help. Subscription to the list is necessary. Or I or another subscriber can post it for you. Let me know, I'd be glad to help. John Cather On Feb 9, 2008, at 10:00 AM, mcclurefamily@srt.com wrote: > > > Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist > who helps players with embrouchures? > > I have a trumpet embrouchure question on behalf of a friend. This > friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of > his embrouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. > Just no support, almost randomly. > > makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine > Corps Days (rifle range). > > Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits > in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method > of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp > available). > > Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other > sources. t5 > > Doublers, what say you? > > Chris Ann ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:46:05 -0600 From: "Richard Corliss" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend To: , Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <003b01c86b9f$d8f053e0$e2ebd842@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I knew a read player who had this experience. He gave up his instrument and then a few years later found a medical specialist that helped him. After three years of being away from the instrument he felt that it would be too difficult to go back and pick it up again. It's worth looking for some kind of medical specialist. Richard Corliss ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend > Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist > who helps players with embrouchures? > > I have a trumpet embrouchure question on behalf of a friend. This > friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of > his embrouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. > Just no support, almost randomly. > > makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine > Corps Days (rifle range). > > Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits > in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method > of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp > available). > > Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other > sources. t5 > > Doublers, what say you? > > Chris Ann > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:18:06 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? To: Craig Cc: 'Trombone-L' Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I had a similar experience from H&B, only it was band fronts. Fashion folds. I was told they only make them about once every 6 months. I seemed to have been on a waiting list and missed the first batch. No way to run a business. W On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Craig wrote: > When I ordered 2 of them from H&B, it took 13 months, yes, MONTHS to > get. It got to be a joke in the band. We wondered if we would ever get > them. Perhaps we overloaded their manufacturing capacity? They are > REALLY cheesy, but given the amount of pain we endured in getting > them, > we make sure we use them once in a while, even if it's simply to > inflict > pain on the rest of the band. Dr. J. Wayne Dyess Professor of Trombone and Director of Jazz Studies P. O. Box 10044 Lamar University-Beaumont, Texas 77710 Visit our alumni jazz band website @ http://www.ndotex.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:27:40 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? To: "'Craig'" , "'Tom Izzo'" , , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <001e01c86bc7$2fddad20$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Craig [mailto:cwhyndman@shaw.ca] > > When I ordered 2 of them from H&B, it took 13 months, yes, MONTHS to > get. Maybe the lost the blueprints. A. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:30:14 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? To: "'Wayne Dyess'" , "'Craig'" Cc: 'Trombone-L' Message-ID: <001f01c86bc7$8bb1ac00$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ________________________________________ From: Wayne Dyess [mailto:texastbone@gt.rr.com] I had a similar experience from H&B, only it was band fronts. Fashion folds. I was told they only make them about once every 6 months. I seemed to have been on a waiting list and missed the first batch. No way to run a business. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No problem, Wayne. Just phone the gig venue and let them know you'll be 6 months late. A. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:38:05 +0100 From: Marius Helg? Subject: [Trombone-l] Miraphone To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi, all At the Norwegian Brass Band Championships this weekend, I got a good offer for a Miraphone Bb-691 Bass Trombone. Anyone have any experiences with these horns they're willing to share? Marius Helg? Bass Trombone, Mo i Rana, Norway ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:24:00 -0500 From: Retiredprof55 Subject: [Trombone-l] Christ The Lord for Brass Quintet To: TROMBONE-L@SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes I would like to invite you to examine my most recent work for brass quintet, ?Chorale Prelude on Christ, The Lord, Has Risen Today?. This Chorale Prelude is in the form of a fantasia as it uses phrases from this hymn interspersed with a lot of free material. It can serve as either a prelude or postlude. The tuba uses a syncopated eighth note rhythm during the sustained notes at the beginning. This pattern then dominates the last third of the piece and it evokes visions of Widor's Toccata. The duration is 3' and the difficulty level is moderate. You can sample this work and my other compositions and arrangements by visiting http://cooppress.hostrack.net and clicking on ?brass ensemble music?. Thank you for considering my music. Sy Brandon Professor Emeritus Millersville University retiredprof55@comcast.net Website http://cooppress.hostrack.net Book, A Composer?s Guide To Understanding Music with Activities for Listeners, Interpreters and Composers ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:06:24 -0500 From: "Elliott Moxley" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke To: "Jason Smith" , "bone list" Message-ID: <410-22008201013624422@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Isn't using "saxophone" and "joke" in the same sentence an oxymoron? Just like "jumbo shrimp", "House Intelligence Committee" and even "valve trombone"? And remember, Fast Food is neither- Sorry, I couldn't resist- EDM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke > > How are a saxophone and a guillotine simular? > > 1. They are both lethal. > 2. They are both always sharp. > 3. They both work best when dropped from high places. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:31:28 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20080210163136.468B1AE0510@spamcuda2.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:06 2/10/2008, Elliott Moxley wrote: >Isn't using "saxophone" and "joke" in the same sentence an oxymoron? Actually, I thought they were synonyms. Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:00:48 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke To: earl_needham@yahoo.com, trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey guys; You're being way too hard on the saxophones. Lest we forget, in a big band setting they serve as our first line of defense against angry audiences and provide some cover from thrown objects. LP In a message dated 2/10/2008 11:32:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, earl_needham@yahoo.com writes: At 06:06 2/10/2008, Elliott Moxley wrote: >Isn't using "saxophone" and "joke" in the same sentence an oxymoron? Actually, I thought they were synonyms. Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:41:50 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke To: "'Earl Needham'" , Message-ID: <000901c86c0c$3bb03470$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Earl Needham > > At 06:06 2/10/2008, Elliott Moxley wrote: > >Isn't using "saxophone" and "joke" in the same sentence an oxymoron? > > Actually, I thought they were synonyms. Yes, Earl, synonymous oxymoron. A. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:44:03 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20080210175746.DAAE0A91FE2@spamcuda3.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:41 2/10/2008, Adrian Drover wrote: >Yes, Earl, synonymous oxymoron. Is that like rigid flexibility? KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 ******************************************