Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 9 Date: Saturday, February 9, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 9 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. flying with double bag (Jeff Albert) 2. Re: flying with double bag (bonemstr@america.net) 3. Re: flying with double bag (Jeff Albert) 4. Re: flying with double bag (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 5. Re: flying with double bag (sabutin) 6. FW: flying with double bag (Eric Edwards) 7. Saxophone Joke (Jason Smith) 8. Re: FW: flying with double bag (Al MacDonald) 9. Re: FW: flying with double bag (Jeff Albert) 10. Re: FW: flying with double bag (Al MacDonald) 11. Re: Buzz Mute? (Craig) 12. Re: DE mouthpiece shank needed (Bonemaster) 13. Embrouchure problem--help for a friend (mcclurefamily@srt.com) 14. Re: Embrouchure problem--help for a friend (bjmchaffie@aol.com) 15. Re: FS: Pipes, Bell and trumpet tuning slide (Bonemaster) 16. Re: Embouchure problem--help for a friend (Walter Barrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:26:06 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag To: trombone-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Has anyone had any experience flying with a double gig bag? Do those Cronkhite double bags fit in an overhead? Any other creative solutions to traveling with two trombones? thanks, Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.openearsmusic.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:43:21 -0500 From: bonemstr@america.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag To: Jeff Albert Cc: trombone-l Message-ID: <20080208144321.ygo8e5v0czwokoo4@pop.america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Jeff, I had a double large bass in leather. It would fit on SOME planes' overhead bins--usually newer models or updated versions of older models. Best to see which plane it is and call the airline. They can usually find someone to give you 3D measurements, or sometimes Boeing, MD will provide them. Other options have been discussed here and include the Cronkhite 'flight case'. It only holds a single axe, but splits apart. Maybe 3 of those? Of course, this all presumes you are talking about carry-on options. Best to you, Bob Devine Roswell/Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family Quoting Jeff Albert : > Has anyone had any experience flying with a double gig bag? Do those > Cronkhite double bags fit in an overhead? Any other creative > solutions to traveling with two trombones? > > thanks, > Jeff > > -- > www.jeffalbert.com > www.scratchmybrain.com > www.openearsmusic.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:02:42 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag To: bonemstr@america.net Cc: trombone-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I guess carry on is the preference. I have hard cases that are quite concise that I usually carry on, but I usually only have one horn. I could check one and carry one. If a double would fit, that would be the ideal solution. I'll investigate plane types. Thanks, Jeff On Feb 8, 2008 1:43 PM, wrote: > Jeff, > > I had a double large bass in leather. It would fit on SOME planes' > overhead bins--usually newer models or updated versions of older > models. Best to see which plane it is and call the airline. They can > usually find someone to give you 3D measurements, or sometimes Boeing, > MD will provide them. > > Other options have been discussed here and include the Cronkhite > 'flight case'. It only holds a single axe, but splits apart. Maybe 3 > of those? Of course, this all presumes you are talking about carry-on > options. > > Best to you, > > Bob Devine > Roswell/Atlanta, GA > An 'All Shires' family > > > Quoting Jeff Albert : > > > Has anyone had any experience flying with a double gig bag? Do those > > Cronkhite double bags fit in an overhead? Any other creative > > solutions to traveling with two trombones? > > > > thanks, > > Jeff > > > > -- > > www.jeffalbert.com > > www.scratchmybrain.com > > www.openearsmusic.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.openearsmusic.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:26:02 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag To: Jeff Albert Cc: trombone-l Message-ID: <9422938.1202502362157.JavaMail.root@web17> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 While I doubt a double bag would fit in the overhead, The option I used was to place my gigbag into a hard shell golf case and check it. I also puts notes inside and all around that it is a Fragile Musical Instrument (not a gatling gun) and I haven't had a problem. J.c. ---- Jeff Albert wrote: > Yeah, I guess carry on is the preference. I have hard cases that are > quite concise that I usually carry on, but I usually only have one > horn. I could check one and carry one. If a double would fit, that > would be the ideal solution. I'll investigate plane types. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > On Feb 8, 2008 1:43 PM, wrote: > > Jeff, > > > > I had a double large bass in leather. It would fit on SOME planes' > > overhead bins--usually newer models or updated versions of older > > models. Best to see which plane it is and call the airline. They can > > usually find someone to give you 3D measurements, or sometimes Boeing, > > MD will provide them. > > > > Other options have been discussed here and include the Cronkhite > > 'flight case'. It only holds a single axe, but splits apart. Maybe 3 > > of those? Of course, this all presumes you are talking about carry-on > > options. > > > > Best to you, > > > > Bob Devine > > Roswell/Atlanta, GA > > An 'All Shires' family > > > > > > Quoting Jeff Albert : > > > > > Has anyone had any experience flying with a double gig bag? Do those > > > Cronkhite double bags fit in an overhead? Any other creative > > > solutions to traveling with two trombones? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Jeff > > > > > > -- > > > www.jeffalbert.com > > > www.scratchmybrain.com > > > www.openearsmusic.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trombone-l mailing list > > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > www.jeffalbert.com > www.scratchmybrain.com > www.openearsmusic.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:06:09 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag To: "Jeff Albert" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Yeah, I guess carry on is the preference. I have hard cases that are >quite concise that I usually carry on, but I usually only have one >horn. I could check one and carry one. If a double would fit, that >would be the ideal solution. I'll investigate plane types. > >Thanks, >Jeff Jeff... 1-Post 9-11, the Homeboy Security minimum wage types who inspect checked items cannot be trusted to re-pack your horn correctly in ANY kind of case if you check it. Otherwise I would suggest an SKB golf case. I used to carry two horns in one of those, but they had to be packed JUST SO if they were to survive. Now? I wouldn't even consider it. 2-Given that idea plus the good possibility that a double case would be challenged eventually as carry-on if you are doing any appreciable amount of traveling, I can think of only two options. Three, actually If you are traveling with a group and one of the members of that group is not carrying an instrument, get two "concise" (nice word) hard cases and have that person carry the other one. If that is not the situation...you have to check one. Choose the one that is least valuable to you; pack it well either in a good flight case or a soft bag inside of a well-padded hard golf case and wish it well as it disappears into the bowels of whatever luggage torture chambers it must survive on your travels. Or...if your travel plans are not too complex...ship one of the horns in a well-padded cardboard box a couple of days before the gig. You know...like horn companies and re-sellers do. This works only if you are traveling to a single destination by air, though. It gets too complicated if you are doing any serious flying. Good luck. I am headed for Egypt this week to play some Ellington stuff w/the Smithsonian Band and I have opted out of bringing my valve horn to do the Tizol stuff. Too risky. Later... Sam ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:21:27 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: flying with double bag To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Has anybody had the nerve to try the starter pistol in the checked bag trick? Supposedly, with ANY kind of firearm in a checked bag, the bag has to be locked by you after inspection, with only you having the key. Just wondering. Thanks Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily Edwards "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]On Behalf Of sabutin Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:06 PM To: Jeff Albert Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag >Yeah, I guess carry on is the preference. I have hard cases that are >quite concise that I usually carry on, but I usually only have one >horn. I could check one and carry one. If a double would fit, that >would be the ideal solution. I'll investigate plane types. > >Thanks, >Jeff Jeff... 1-Post 9-11, the Homeboy Security minimum wage types who inspect checked items cannot be trusted to re-pack your horn correctly in ANY kind of case if you check it. Otherwise I would suggest an SKB golf case. I used to carry two horns in one of those, but they had to be packed JUST SO if they were to survive. Now? I wouldn't even consider it. 2-Given that idea plus the good possibility that a double case would be challenged eventually as carry-on if you are doing any appreciable amount of traveling, I can think of only two options. Three, actually If you are traveling with a group and one of the members of that group is not carrying an instrument, get two "concise" (nice word) hard cases and have that person carry the other one. If that is not the situation...you have to check one. Choose the one that is least valuable to you; pack it well either in a good flight case or a soft bag inside of a well-padded hard golf case and wish it well as it disappears into the bowels of whatever luggage torture chambers it must survive on your travels. Or...if your travel plans are not too complex...ship one of the horns in a well-padded cardboard box a couple of days before the gig. You know...like horn companies and re-sellers do. This works only if you are traveling to a single destination by air, though. It gets too complicated if you are doing any serious flying. Good luck. I am headed for Egypt this week to play some Ellington stuff w/the Smithsonian Band and I have opted out of bringing my valve horn to do the Tizol stuff. Too risky. Later... Sam _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Smith Subject: [Trombone-l] Saxophone Joke To: bone list Message-ID: <201952.20281.qm@web35004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 How are a saxophone and a guillotine simular? 1. They are both lethal. 2. They are both always sharp. 3. They both work best when dropped from high places. Jason Smith www.thebandroomtx.com www.concerttimeusa.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:33:30 -0700 From: Al MacDonald Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: flying with double bag To: "Eric Edwards" , Trombone-L Message-ID: <1404193476.20080208163330@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wouldn't go there. Even before TSA (back around 1990) I was using a starters pistol at a cycling track event in Redmond, Washington. SEATAC security treated it exactly like a real gun. After all, it looks like a real gun, and no doubt could be used to take control of an airplane, on the assumption that you wouldn't have to actually fire it. Al MacDonald EE> Has anybody had the nerve to try the starter pistol in the checked bag EE> trick? EE> Supposedly, with ANY kind of firearm in a checked bag, the bag has to be EE> locked by you after inspection, with only you having the key. EE> Just wondering. EE> Thanks EE> Eric EE> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily EE> Edwards EE> "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low EE> price has faded" EE> "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he EE> speaks" EE> -----Original Message----- EE> From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu EE> [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]On Behalf Of sabutin EE> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:06 PM EE> To: Jeff Albert EE> Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu EE> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] flying with double bag >>Yeah, I guess carry on is the preference. I have hard cases that are >>quite concise that I usually carry on, but I usually only have one >>horn. I could check one and carry one. If a double would fit, that >>would be the ideal solution. I'll investigate plane types. >> >>Thanks, >>Jeff EE> Jeff... EE> 1-Post 9-11, the Homeboy Security minimum wage types who inspect EE> checked items cannot be trusted to re-pack your horn correctly in ANY EE> kind of case if you check it. Otherwise I would suggest an SKB golf EE> case. I used to carry two horns in one of those, but they had to be EE> packed JUST SO if they were to survive. Now? I wouldn't even consider EE> it. EE> 2-Given that idea plus the good possibility that a double case would EE> be challenged eventually as carry-on if you are doing any appreciable EE> amount of traveling, I can think of only two options. Three, actually EE> If you are traveling with a group and one of the members of that EE> group is not carrying an instrument, get two "concise" (nice word) EE> hard cases and have that person carry the other one. EE> If that is not the situation...you have to check one. Choose the one EE> that is least valuable to you; pack it well either in a good flight EE> case or a soft bag inside of a well-padded hard golf case and wish it EE> well as it disappears into the bowels of whatever luggage torture EE> chambers it must survive on your travels. EE> Or...if your travel plans are not too complex...ship one of the horns EE> in a well-padded cardboard box a couple of days before the gig. You EE> know...like horn companies and re-sellers do. This works only if you EE> are traveling to a single destination by air, though. It gets too EE> complicated if you are doing any serious flying. EE> Good luck. EE> I am headed for Egypt this week to play some Ellington stuff w/the EE> Smithsonian Band and I have opted out of bringing my valve horn to do EE> the Tizol stuff. EE> Too risky. EE> Later... EE> Sam EE> _______________________________________________ EE> Trombone-l mailing list EE> Trombone-l@samford.edu EE> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l EE> _______________________________________________ EE> Trombone-l mailing list EE> Trombone-l@samford.edu EE> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:41:03 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: flying with double bag To: "Al MacDonald" Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Feb 8, 2008 5:33 PM, Al MacDonald wrote: > Wouldn't go there. Even before TSA (back around 1990) I was using a > starters pistol at a cycling track event in Redmond, Washington. > SEATAC security treated it exactly like a real gun. After all, it > looks like a real gun, and no doubt could be used to take control of > an airplane, on the assumption that you wouldn't have to actually fire > it. > > Al MacDonald > Well, the idea is that you declare at security that there is a starter's pistol in your checked bag. This makes them follow a procedure that forbids any interim openings of the bag. The inspect it in your presence, you lock it, they mark it, and it doesn't get re-opened until you reclaim it at your final destination. Seems like a lot of trouble. I'll probably just figure out how to be happy with just one trombone on the trip. Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.openearsmusic.org ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:25:33 -0700 From: Al MacDonald Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: flying with double bag To: "Jeff Albert" , "Eric Edwards" , Trombone-L Message-ID: <1943711703.20080208172533@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now I understand the question. Sure, that would work. So would declaring that you have a live human liver for transplant, I guess. Real security experts say that TSA does nothing for security. It does, however, lead us to bizarre thought experiments and strange procedures, like shipping trombones ahead of time and putting guns in trombone cases so nobody will open them. It's all worth it, I guess, as long as we remain afraid. Al JA> On Feb 8, 2008 5:33 PM, Al MacDonald wrote: >> Wouldn't go there. Even before TSA (back around 1990) I was using a >> starters pistol at a cycling track event in Redmond, Washington. >> SEATAC security treated it exactly like a real gun. After all, it >> looks like a real gun, and no doubt could be used to take control of >> an airplane, on the assumption that you wouldn't have to actually fire >> it. >> >> Al MacDonald >> JA> Well, the idea is that you declare at security that there is a JA> starter's pistol in your checked bag. This makes them follow a JA> procedure that forbids any interim openings of the bag. The inspect JA> it in your presence, you lock it, they mark it, and it doesn't get JA> re-opened until you reclaim it at your final destination. JA> Seems like a lot of trouble. JA> I'll probably just figure out how to be happy with just one trombone JA> on the trip. JA> Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:31:28 -0800 From: Craig Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? To: "'Lawrence Borden'" , "'Richardson, Timothy A Mr CIV USA IMCOM-Europe'" , "'Adrian Drover'" , "'Eric Edwards'" , "'Trombone-L'" , thetubameister@adelphia.net Message-ID: <000801c86ac3$dfd36800$6501a8c0@Reception> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Buzz mute and they are definitely NOT the same. Weird contraption. -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Borden Sent: February 8, 2008 7:01 AM To: 'Richardson, Timothy A Mr CIV USA IMCOM-Europe'; 'Adrian Drover'; 'Eric Edwards'; 'Trombone-L'; thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: [Trombone-l] Buzz Mute? Hi folks, I've got a part here by John Corigliano called "Pied Piper Fantasy." It calls for several mutes. Included are instructions to use both buzz mute and harmon mute. Left to my own devices, I would have said they were the same - NO? Larry Lawrence Borden Associate Professor of Trombone Blair School of Music, Vanderbilt University Principal Trombone, Nashville Symphony Orchestra O (615) 322-7676 H (615) 255-4191 C (615) 400-1253 E Lawrence.Borden@Vanderbilt.edu W WWW.Vanderbilt.edu/trombonestudio _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:40:49 -0500 From: "Bonemaster" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] DE mouthpiece shank needed To: Message-ID: <01b301c86ad5$f176eb60$6101a8c0@america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Want to buy Doug Elliott G8 and G9 brass shanks for LT cups. I have LT C cup and C4 shank as well as an interesting H8 '2004' taper model to sell. Thanks! Bob Devine Roswell/Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:18:55 -0600 From: "mcclurefamily@srt.com" Subject: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend To: Cc: Message-ID: <1202559535-21612.00009.00007-smmsdV2.1.4@mail.srt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist who helps players with embrouchures? I have a trumpet embrouchure question on behalf of a friend. This friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of his embrouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. Just no support, almost randomly. makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine Corps Days (rifle range). Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp available). Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other sources. t5 Doublers, what say you? Chris Ann ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:51:04 -0500 From: bjmchaffie@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend To: mcclurefamily@srt.com, trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <8CA3939F296AEAA-D0C-1374@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sometimes this is caused by a shaving skin conditioner. They often contain the same chemical as Adolphs's meat tenderizer. I had this problem in my senior year of high school band. beldon wade -----Original Message----- From: mcclurefamily@srt.com To: trombone-l@samford.edu Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 7:18 am Subject: [Trombone-l] Embrouchure problem--help for a friend Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist who helps players with embrouchures? I have a trumpet embrouchure question on behalf of a friend. This friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of his embrouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. Just no support, almost randomly. makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine Corps Days (rifle range). Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp available). Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other sources. t5 Doublers, what say you? Chris Ann _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0500 From: "Bonemaster" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FS: Pipes, Bell and trumpet tuning slide To: Message-ID: <01cd01c86b26$8c4e7360$6101a8c0@america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For Sale: Callet 0.562" bass bone lead pipe, excellent condition, comes w/Shires fitting. $100 Callet 0.508" small bore lead pipe,excellent condition, no ring, ready to be fit to your axe. $100 Benge 290 Yellow brass bell; 10" w/engraving inside and outside the flare; this beast has large tapers; flare, ferrule and tuning slide (no bracing, wrap or gooseneck); recently repaired all nicks and dents ($57 cost!). Not lacquered. Don't know if the yellow brass ever made it into production, as everything I've seen is 85/15 red blend. Best offer over $250 or trade for 0.525 single bore/ 0.525-0.547 dual bore in similar condition Schilke Bb trumpet (I know, I have no idea how I got it, but its here...) main tuning slide. Brass, not an over/under version, probably from an M2. $40 Let me hear from you if interested. Thanks! Bob Devine Roswell/Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:50:34 -0500 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Embouchure problem--help for a friend To: Trombone-L Cc: mcclurefamily@srt.com Message-ID: <2571267B-3FB6-45AD-86BC-477C73BF4432@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Feb 9, 2008, at 7:18 AM, mcclurefamily@srt.com wrote: > Does anyone know of an email list for trumpets? Or a specialist > who helps players with embouchures? > > I have a trumpet embouchure question on behalf of a friend. This > friend can play for a while then the muscles on the right side of > his embouchure just quit. Some tingling, no pain, some numbness. > Just no support, almost randomly. > > makes me think of Bell's Palsy, or Sling Palsy from my Marine > Corps Days (rifle range). > > Any ideas? He is so frustrated...he doesn't have ANY bad habits > in his performing or practicing and uses the no pressure method > of playing already...plays on a Bach 1 (the largest trumpet mp > available). > > Please share anything you think may help. Or point me to other > sources. t5 > > Doublers, what say you? > > Chris Ann > Sounds more like some sort of dystonia to me. (Writer's cramp is one form of dystonia...) He should go see a neurologist, it's possible that he's somehow pinching the nerve that controls those muscles. If that nerve passes by the jaw hinge, it could be a TMJ issue, maybe a dental consult of some type may be a good idea. He might also want to get in touch with Jan Kagarice, down at North Texas. She's done a lot of work with various focal dystonias, and would be a great resource. jkagarice@unttrombones.com Walter Barrett "Don't get old, you won't like it." -Arnold Jacobs Alto, tenor, bass trombones Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba Yamaha Artist/Clinician http://www.walterbarrett.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 9 *****************************************