Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 3 Date: Sunday, February 3, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 3 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Question (Samuel Jay Keyser) 2. Re: Question (Jason Smith) 3. Re: Question (Wayne Dyess) 4. Re: Question (Howard Spindel) 5. Re: Question (Earl Needham) 6. Re: Question (Daryl Burch) 7. Re: Question (Adrian Drover) 8. Re: Question (Adrian Drover) 9. Re: Question (Adrian Drover) 10. Re: Question (John.McVey@frb.gov) 11. Re: Question (Mike) 12. Re: Question (Don Fitzsimons) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:00:08 -0500 From: Samuel Jay Keyser Subject: [Trombone-l] Question To: Trombone-l@samford.edu Cc: Samuel Jay Keyser Message-ID: <207E5B0E-CE87-4340-BE24-33B719EADA09@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I've got an odd question I'd like to ask the listers. Since I anticipate a lot of you will answer, let me apologize now for not replying to each of you. I am just curious about what you would say about this. Everybody knows that we can "hear ourselves" thinking in English (or whatever our native language might be) even though we are not actually speaking out loud . For example, we can say our name to ourselves and actually hear it inside our heads. If you aren't sure about this, just think of what you are doing as you read this. Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" Jay ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Smith Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Samuel Jay Keyser , Trombone-l@samford.edu Cc: Samuel Jay Keyser Message-ID: <878495.62057.qm@web35010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My "voices" tell me to kill all saxes and screechy clarinet and nasally oboe players and to practice for 30 more minutes. --- Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: > I've got an odd question I'd like to ask the > listers. Since I > anticipate a lot of you will answer, let me > apologize now for not > replying to each of you. I am just curious about > what you would say > about this. > > Everybody knows that we can "hear ourselves" > thinking in English (or > whatever our native language might be) even though > we are not actually > speaking out loud . For example, we can say our > name to ourselves and > actually hear it inside our heads. If you aren't > sure about this, > just think of what you are doing as you read this. > > Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their > trombone playing in > the same way. That is, listening to the language > inside your head is > called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear > "silent music?" > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Jason Smith www.thebandroomtx.com www.concerttimeusa.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:26:43 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Samuel Jay Keyser Cc: bone list Message-ID: <60772CA2-3C50-4BF7-B099-8EE750094399@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: > I've got an odd question I'd like to ask the listers. Since I > anticipate a lot of you will answer, let me apologize now for not > replying to each of you. I am just curious about what you would say > about this. > > Everybody knows that we can "hear ourselves" thinking in English (or > whatever our native language might be) even though we are not actually > speaking out loud . For example, we can say our name to ourselves and > actually hear it inside our heads. If you aren't sure about this, > just think of what you are doing as you read this. > > Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in > the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is > called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" > > Jay ====== Now this is an interesting question. Yeah. I do that a LOT. And I am fairly certain it's that sound in my head that I strive for when the instrument is actually on my face and real sound is coming out of the bell. But yeah. Darn right. Sometimes I hear Adrian in my "silent" musical head, and that's when I go get a beer to extinguish the sounds. That'll drive ya crazy!!! --Wayne in Texas ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:42:08 -0800 From: Howard Spindel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080202214000.036f1bf8@sci1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:00 PM 2/2/2008, Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: >Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in >the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is >called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" > >Jay Absolutely. Even when I'm not playing, I hear music in my head. Even when I want to shut it off, I hear music in my head. STOP STOP STOP! It took me 30 years to get Dvorak Slavonic Dance #8 out of my head. Then my orchestra had to go and program it last year. Grrrrr. Howard P.S. If we couldn't hear music in our head, how would we know what pitch to come in on? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:16:52 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20080203071704.4E33158AA9@spamcuda3.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 21:00 2/2/2008, Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: >Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in >the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is >called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" Yep, you bet! But just now I'm confused trying to figure out if I hear George Roberts or Tommy Dorsey -- I guess the determining factor is what tune and instrument I'm thinking. Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:45:36 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Samuel Jay Keyser Cc: Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed As far as hearing music in my head... constantly. As far as singing what I play.... even more so. When it comes to soloing I hear myself making the same phrases song to song. And the challenge is to try sing either different phrases or alter the phrases so as to not repeat myself over and over... a constant struggle. So I try to listen to more/diverse players and emulate them or transcribe as many different styles as I can so as to increase said soloing vocabulary. ...Did I just take this way off topic???? On a language note: Around about my 3rd year of taking German, I found myself listening in English (American). Translating into German in my head. Then re-translating into English before I'd answer. This continued until about 2 or 3 years after my 5th year of German (in college). This made for some verrrrrry interesting conversations with German tourists when I was in the Caribbean and had a few too many Red Stripes.... Now it only comes around after many beers and hanging with some German friends in San Francisco. (No! Not in the Castro District!) Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <= Rockstar by night www.burchinteractive.com <= Technerd by day On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: > I've got an odd question I'd like to ask the listers. Since I > anticipate a lot of you will answer, let me apologize now for not > replying to each of you. I am just curious about what you would say > about this. > > Everybody knows that we can "hear ourselves" thinking in English (or > whatever our native language might be) even though we are not actually > speaking out loud . For example, we can say our name to ourselves and > actually hear it inside our heads. If you aren't sure about this, > just think of what you are doing as you read this. > > Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in > the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is > called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:16:05 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: "'Jason Smith'" , "'Samuel Jay Keyser'" , Cc: 'Samuel Jay Keyser' Message-ID: <000901c8664d$cac98ae0$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Jason Smith > > My "voices" tell me to kill all saxes and screechy > clarinet and nasally oboe players and to practice for > 30 more minutes. I understand your feelings, Jason, but I really think you need to suppress your emotions. I'm pretty sure that saxocide is against the law. Regarding screechy clarinets and nerve-jarring oboes (bag-less bagpipes), there may be some justification for acting out the deed, tho' US law may differ to that in the UK. My advice, man, is to take a sedative or a Guinness whenever you hear these voices. A. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:21:13 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: "'Wayne Dyess'" , "'Samuel Jay Keyser'" Cc: 'bone list' Message-ID: <000a01c8664e$81a956a0$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Wayne Dyess > > Sometimes I hear Adrian in my "silent" musical head, and that's when > I go get a beer to extinguish the sounds. Ah, that's nice, Wayne, to know that I'm always in your thoughts. A. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:26:30 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: "'Earl Needham'" , Message-ID: <000b01c8664f$3f534350$0400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Earl Needham > > But just now I'm confused trying to figure out if I hear > George Roberts or Tommy Dorsey -- I guess the determining factor is > what tune and instrument I'm thinking. I would say, Earl that anyone who confuses George with Tommy has somewhat of a pitch problem. A. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:30:14 -0500 From: John.McVey@frb.gov Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yes, when I am playing my best, I hear the notes or phrase I'm getting ready to play before I play it. That helps to center every note and make sure they're in tune and sound full and fat. If I'm tired or sick, then sometimes I just hope what's coming out is what I'm looking for. In the band I play in most regularly, I play bass trombone most of the time, but when the lead player takes a night off, I usually move up to lead and another bass comes in. I have found that the ability to hear the notes before I play them, particularly in the higher range, since I don't play there that often, is critical to my having a good night or a bad one. John Earl Needham To Sent by: trombone-l@samford.edu trombone-l-bounce cc s@samford.edu Subject Re: [Trombone-l] Question 02/03/2008 02:21 AM At 21:00 2/2/2008, Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: >Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in >the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is >called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" Yep, you bet! But just now I'm confused trying to figure out if I hear George Roberts or Tommy Dorsey -- I guess the determining factor is what tune and instrument I'm thinking. Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:33:04 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Adrian Drover Cc: Trombone-l@samford.edu, 'Samuel Jay Keyser' Message-ID: <47A5D0A0.5040501@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Adrian Drover wrote: > >> From: Jason Smith >> >> My "voices" tell me to kill all saxes and screechy >> clarinet and nasally oboe players and to practice for >> 30 more minutes. >> > > > I understand your feelings, Jason, but I really think you need to suppress > your emotions. I'm pretty sure that saxocide is against the law. Regarding > screechy clarinets and nerve-jarring oboes (bag-less bagpipes), there may be > some justification for acting out the deed, tho' US law may differ to that > in the UK. My advice, man, is to take a sedative or a Guinness whenever you > hear these voices. > > A. ....forget the sedative, take a Guinness regardless of the voices as a palliative. MikeC ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 06:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Don Fitzsimons Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Question To: Trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <758028.72343.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Absolutely. If I'm rehearsing something I'm somewhat familiar with, I practice with an entire band that exists only in my head. Often, the phantom music even keeps my actual sound in balance. When I concentrate, in a live rehearsal, I imagine only the troublesome pitches for accurate placement and feedback. fitz Samuel Jay Keyser wrote: Now, I'm wondering if the listers can hear their trombone playing in the same way. That is, listening to the language inside your head is called "silent speech." Can you listers also hear "silent music?" ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 37, Issue 3 *****************************************