Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 26 Date: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 26 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Gordon Jacob (Josh Kane) 2. Just Good! (Gary Maxwell) 3. Re: Gordon Jacob (Charles DePaolo) 4. Re: Just Basie bones (Matmutt@aol.com) 5. Re: Just Basie bones (Daniel Pliskin) 6. Re: WAS...Just Basie bones (emrose79@sonic.net) 7. update (Joe Norcross) 8. Re: tutti camarata (Chris Tune) 9. Re: Tutti's Trombones (Chris Tune) 10. Re: Gordon Jacob (Ray Horton) 11. Re: Gordon Jacob (Josh Kane) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:09:04 -0500 From: Josh Kane Subject: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob To: Trombone-L Mailing List - Message-ID: <9F5C4E02-04BE-46A9-8775-C842610DBFA3@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey Everyone! I am wondering if anyone knows where I could find the orchestral parts for the Gordon Jacob Concerto. I am potentially playing it with a local orchestra in a few months and there is only one place they can find to rent the parts (London). Being a small community orchestra they are kind of leery about renting from London. If anyone has it or knows of maybe a college or University that has a copy that would be willing to lend it to this orchestra that would be awesome. I would love to play it with this group so any information is helpful. Thanks Josh Kane ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:15:45 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" Subject: [Trombone-l] Just Good! To: Message-ID: <001b01c86047$791a7260$4001a8c0@DFXN9451> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response What happened to this great music? Check out some of this source for some Tommy Dorsey. http://www.jazz-on-line.com/Tommy_Dorsey.htm Gary Maxwell Bassbon/Fuchsbone BSO-Old Man ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:37:35 -0500 From: "Charles DePaolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <011c01c86052$e68d16d0$9e00a8c0@WS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since it's a rental-only chart, any school that owns it is probably committing a felony. I hope your orchestra's board doesn't stoop to that level. Some things are worth paying for. Supporting music publishing today helps insure there is something to play and listen to tomorrow. The Jacob is a Galaxy Music/EC Schirmer publication, and the rental materials should be available direct from them in Boston, good ol' U S of A. --cdp ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Kane To: Trombone-L Mailing List - Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob Hey Everyone! I am wondering if anyone knows where I could find the orchestral parts for the Gordon Jacob Concerto. I am potentially playing it with a local orchestra in a few months and there is only one place they can find to rent the parts (London). Being a small community orchestra they are kind of leery about renting from London. If anyone has it or knows of maybe a college or University that has a copy that would be willing to lend it to this orchestra that would be awesome. I would love to play it with this group so any information is helpful. Thanks Josh Kane _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:26:48 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Just Basie bones To: conductorjonz@sbcglobal.net, billdin@comcast.net, trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 1/25/2008 10:50:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, conductorjonz@sbcglobal.net writes: Saxes: Eric Dixon(Solo) Bobby Plater, Marshal Royal, Unknown, Carlie Fowlkes Bari. Trumpets: Sonny Cohn, Gene Goe, Harry Edison, and I think Al Arrons. Trombones: Unknown (Possibly Henry Coker, Grover Mitchell, I think Richard Boone, and the current leader, Bill Hughes on Bass Trombone. " TROMBONES....UNKNOWN " COULD THERE BE SOME UNIVERSAL LAW AT WORK HERE?? LARRY PRIORI (the passionate amateur) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:51:51 -0800 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Just Basie bones To: , , , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > " TROMBONES....UNKNOWN " > > COULD THERE BE SOME UNIVERSAL LAW AT WORK HERE?? Unknown is a bloomin' genius about getting publicity. And they don't just get it in the music industry, either. They're in the news almost daily. ... DanP PS. My son's professional name, in the rave scene, is DJ Unknown, but alas, he doesn't play trombone. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:05:52 -0800 From: emrose79@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WAS...Just Basie bones To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <479BBCD0.9010802@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed and in that subject.... Earl (my brother trucker), what is the most common name for a road? "Frontage" Ed (sorry, Earl... I'm now a retired trucker!) Daniel Pliskin wrote: > >> " TROMBONES....UNKNOWN " >> >> COULD THERE BE SOME UNIVERSAL LAW AT WORK HERE?? > > > Unknown is a bloomin' genius about getting publicity. And they don't just get it in the music industry, either. They're in the news almost daily. ... > > > DanP > > > PS. My son's professional name, in the rave scene, is DJ Unknown, but alas, he doesn't play trombone. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:51:08 -0800 From: "Joe Norcross" Subject: [Trombone-l] update To: trombone-l@samford.edu, "tubaeuph" , "TubaEuph" , "Okamurad" Message-ID: <410-2200810270518531@lightspeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I will be having bypass surgery on the right leg Tuesday. It will be at Kaweah Delta in Visalia CA. Keep me in your prayers Joe Norcross Tuba COS Sequoia Winds, Visalia CA Tuba-Announcer Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:11:18 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] tutti camarata To: "'Adrian Drover'" , "'Bill Dinwiddie'" , "'Jason Smith'" Cc: 'List Trombone' Message-ID: <001a01c86092$493d6070$dbb82150$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Particularly interesting if you think about it, Tutti may be more well known as the founder of Sunset Sound Recorders--that is the recording side of Tutti I was talking about. . .tho' I'd forgotten it was Sunset Sound. Look at this list of those who have recorded there: [snippage from the Wikipedia] By the early 1960s, Sunset Sound Recorders became an independent recording studio - and remains so to this day - one of the largest independents in the industry. Clients over the years have included: Rolling Stones, Van Halen, Miles Davis, Carly Simon, The Doors, Herb Alpert, Jackie DeShannon, Brazil '66, Ricky Nelson, Paul McCartney, James Taylor, Macy Gray, Bee Gees, the Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Barry Manilow, Dave Grusin, Crosby, Stills, and Nash, Lee Ritenour, Fourplay, Richard Thompson, Yes, Brian Wilson, Beach Boys, Annette Funicello, Louis Armstrong, The Bangles, Fishbone, Randy Newman, Sly and The Family Stone, Tom Petty, Sheena Easton, Patti Austin, Aaron Neville, Sam Cooke, The Turtles, Lovin' Spoonful, Buffalo Springfield, Janis Joplin, Genesis, Kenny Loggins, Jackson Browne, Led Zeppelin, Smashing Pumpkins, Ringo Starr, Elton John, Celine Dion, Earl Klugh, Alanis Morissette, Toto, Robert Palmer, Aretha Franklin, Tom Waits, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Jennifer Holliday, Olivia Newton-John, Melissa Manchester, Barbra Streisand, Roberta Flack, Rick James, Andy Williams, and [yadda. . yadda] [end snippage] I still like Tutti since he is on my side as a trumpeter (next octave up. .same axe. .sorta) and as head honcho on Tutti's Trombones. Be sure to get Tutti's Trumpets too! The whole album is worth the money just to get Gozzo playing Trumpeter's Prayer. The orchestra gave him a standing "O" after that take, I understand. I believe this is how cantabile (singing style) trumpet should sound. . .or your own closely personal version thereof (so I don't sound like a "cantabile nazi"). Chris -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Adrian Drover Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:59 AM To: 'Bill Dinwiddie'; 'Jason Smith' Cc: 'List Trombone' Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] tutti camarata > From: Bill Dinwiddie > > Tutti's Trombones was a great record made by a guy named Warren Barker. That's a new one on me, Bill. Why would he write under the name of an already well established arranger/composer. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutti_Camarata A. _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:47:07 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Tutti's Trombones To: "'Jeff Thompson'" <7cuh-asb6@spamex.com>, Message-ID: <001b01c86097$4a24c0f0$de6e42d0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I write this I'm listening to Lassus Trombone as recorded on Trombones, Inc. having just listened to Lassus Trombone as recorded on Tutti's. YUP! Identical arrangement. Different sound, as in engineering and gear, etc. but the exact same chart, for sure. The soloing on Tutti's goes beyond Nash and Rosolino (Frank does the most jazz improve, with Dick next), but you also get great jazz improvising from Gil Falco, Hoyt Bohannon and Herbie Harper too, on the eponymously titled chart "Tutti's Trombones". You get some neat written soloing from Nash, Kenny Shroyer (who is the Pink Panther) and Joe Howard and great other ensemble playing from Lloyd Ulyate, Ernie Tack, Tommy Pederson and Mr. Howard. I'd say get both Tutti's and Trombones Inc. (this is perhaps even better than TT, if that is possible. . .perhaps I think that because it has so many great ballad tunes). Keep looking they are out there somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Thompson Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:23 PM To: trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Tutti's Trombones Tutti's Trombones came about because of the surprising success of the earlier album Tutti's Trumpets. One of the trumpet tracks, I think it was titled Trumpeter's Prayer, became a hit single played on Top 40 AM radio at that time. As a result, the album sold well and a follow up album was discussed. Although Tutti did have a considerable career as an arranger, I think by the time of Tutti's Trombones, he was working primarily as a record producer, first with London Records, and then with Disney Records. Warren Barker's contribution is what I believe they call being a ghost writer in the music business. Camarata may have been listed on the album cover as the arranger, but Barker certainly did some of the charts. I would bet that some of the players on the recording would remember it. At the very least Dick Nash and Kenny Shroyer are alive and still playing. Perhaps someone could ask them. I seem to recall reading that someone else beside Tutti or Barker also did some charts for the album, but I can't remember the name. As a trombone ensemble in a jazz vein, Tutti's Trombone is certainly a classic. I would guess that many of the members on this list have a copy of the old vinyl or the newer CD. Frank Rosolino and Dick Nash both get opportunities for jazz solos and they certainly respond with some great playing. There also examples of some great lead playing, some Tommy Dorsey style sound, and a wonderful ensemble performance. As someone wrote, the section is chock full of the best of Los Angeles based studio talent at that time. Jeff Thompson _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:15:48 -0500 From: Ray Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob To: Charles DePaolo Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <479C0574.70405@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I had a student play the finale of the Jacob with a local youth orchestra a couple of years ago. That orchestra had no trouble at all with the rental - they would have balked if the price had been prohibitive, so I am sure it wasn't. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Louisville Orchestra Charles DePaolo wrote: > Since it's a rental-only chart, any school that owns it is probably committing a felony. I hope your orchestra's board doesn't stoop to that level. Some things are worth paying for. Supporting music publishing today helps insure there is something to play and listen to tomorrow. The Jacob is a Galaxy Music/EC Schirmer publication, and the rental materials should be available direct from them in Boston, good ol' U S of A. > > --cdp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Kane > To: Trombone-L Mailing List - > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:09 PM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob > > > Hey Everyone! > > I am wondering if anyone knows where I could find the orchestral > parts for the Gordon Jacob Concerto. I am potentially playing it with > a local orchestra in a few months and there is only one place they > can find to rent the parts (London). Being a small community > orchestra they are kind of leery about renting from London. If anyone > has it or knows of maybe a college or University that has a copy that > would be willing to lend it to this orchestra that would be awesome. > I would love to play it with this group so any information is helpful. > > Thanks > > Josh Kane > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:27:48 -0500 From: Josh Kane Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob To: Ray Horton Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <4B87FF97-4B7C-4EA4-BADB-D4DC50181C25@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks for all the help with the Gordon Jacob. We found a copy available for rental in Boston. Getting it to Providence shouldn't be a problem at all. Thanks Again, Josh On Jan 26, 2008, at 11:15 PM, Ray Horton wrote: > I had a student play the finale of the Jacob with a local youth > orchestra a couple of years ago. That orchestra had no trouble at all > with the rental - they would have balked if the price had been > prohibitive, so I am sure it wasn't. > > > Raymond Horton > Bass Trombonist > Louisville Orchestra > > > Charles DePaolo wrote: >> Since it's a rental-only chart, any school that owns it is >> probably committing a felony. I hope your orchestra's board >> doesn't stoop to that level. Some things are worth paying for. >> Supporting music publishing today helps insure there is something >> to play and listen to tomorrow. The Jacob is a Galaxy Music/EC >> Schirmer publication, and the rental materials should be available >> direct from them in Boston, good ol' U S of A. >> >> --cdp >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Josh Kane >> To: Trombone-L Mailing List - >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:09 PM >> Subject: [Trombone-l] Gordon Jacob >> >> >> Hey Everyone! >> >> I am wondering if anyone knows where I could find the orchestral >> parts for the Gordon Jacob Concerto. I am potentially playing it >> with >> a local orchestra in a few months and there is only one place they >> can find to rent the parts (London). Being a small community >> orchestra they are kind of leery about renting from London. If >> anyone >> has it or knows of maybe a college or University that has a copy >> that >> would be willing to lend it to this orchestra that would be >> awesome. >> I would love to play it with this group so any information is >> helpful. >> >> Thanks >> >> Josh Kane >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 26 ******************************************