Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 11 Date: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 11 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Information Needed (Gabriel Langfur) 2. Alto Mouthpieces (Tom Mensch) 3. Re: Information Needed (Charles DePaolo) 4. Re: Information Needed (bvbkalwas) 5. Re: Alto Mouthpieces (bjmchaffie@aol.com) 6. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Daniel Pliskin) 7. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (bjmchaffie@aol.com) 8. Rome Fest Orch? (Denton Thomas) 9. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Daniel Pliskin) 10. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Tom Izzo) 11. Doug Elliott Mouthpieces and Parts Wanted (Bonemaster) 12. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (John Burton) 13. [HAMPSHIRE, United Kingdom] Fordingbridge Associate Band Vacancy (Nigel Horne) 14. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (bjmchaffie@aol.com) 15. Iraqi National Orchestra (Earl Needham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:12:11 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Information Needed To: michael.purdy@comcast.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <618048.62080.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves, In Memoriam was written for a friend of Ray's (college I think) that died young, I think in a motorcycle crash. Sorry I can't be more specific. Gabe ----- Original Message ---- From: "michael.purdy@comcast.net" To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:58:56 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Information Needed Dear Group: Could anyone give me any background on the trombone quartet "In Memoriam" by Ray Premru? I'd be very interested if it was written with any particular person in mind. Also, I have heard it said that the composer Serocki had been a professional boxer at one time in his life. Can anyone confirm that this is true or if totally off base? Many thanks in advance. Mike _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:17:26 -0600 From: Tom Mensch Subject: [Trombone-l] Alto Mouthpieces To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I generally try to stay on the same rim, right now my alto and small bore piece is the Alessi A2, which is similar to a Wick 3AL. I have found Rochut up an octave on alto really helps lock in where the horn centers. Part of the problem switching back and forth is air management so the more I work on extremes on alto the more it helps me not to overblow the horn. On 1/10/08 12:00 PM, "trombone-l-request@samford.edu" wrote: > Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to > trombone-l@samford.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trombone-l-request@samford.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trombone-l-owner@samford.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alto (Kenny Carter) > 2. Re: Alto range (Frank Darmiento) > 3. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Mark Mohwinkel) > 4. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Mark Mohwinkel) > 5. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Daryl Burch) > 6. Re: Alto Mouthpiece (Kenny Carter) > 7. Mouthpieces Wanted (Bonemaster) > 8. Re: Alto (Tom Izzo) > 9. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Dan Thornton) > 10. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (David Johansen) > 11. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Philip Brink) > 12. Information Needed (michael.purdy@comcast.net) > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l -- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:17:04 -0500 From: "Charles DePaolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Information Needed To: , "Trombone List" Message-ID: <014001c853b5$006ae2d0$a000a8c0@WS> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mike, Premru's "In Memoriam" was written for Ray's best friend, Roger Minor (sp?), a colleague at the Eastman School. He was killed in a car crash during a school break. I have never heard of a motorcycle being involved, but that may be an error of omission on my part. In Music, ---Charles De Paolo, Publisher Ensemble Publications P.O. Box 32 Ithaca, NY 14851-0032 607.592.1778 (phone) 607.273.4655 (fax) www.enspub.com (Website) ----- Original Message ----- From: michael.purdy@comcast.net To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Information Needed Dear Group: Could anyone give me any background on the trombone quartet "In Memoriam" by Ray Premru? I'd be very interested if it was written with any particular person in mind. Also, I have heard it said that the composer Serocki had been a professional boxer at one time in his life. Can anyone confirm that this is true or if totally off base? Many thanks in advance. Mike _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:45:53 -0500 From: "bvbkalwas" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Information Needed To: Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <006f01c853b9$078f0dd0$c9aae648@my6b62f5d9582d> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mike - I always heard that the piece was writtten for a classmate at Eastman who drowned while swimming in Lake Ontario. Bob Kalwas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Information Needed > Dear Group: > > Could anyone give me any background on the trombone quartet "In Memoriam" > by Ray Premru? I'd be very interested if it was written with any > particular person in mind. > > Also, I have heard it said that the composer Serocki had been a > professional boxer at one time in his life. Can anyone confirm that this > is true or if totally off base? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:08:31 -0500 From: bjmchaffie@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Alto Mouthpieces To: tommensch@embarqmail.com, trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <8CA21D35330ACAE-3CC-3F86@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I failed to send my latest post to the list. A suggestion for an alto mouthpiece might well be a mouthpiece for a tenor horn, mine allowed me a great high range. beldon wade -----Original Message----- From: Tom Mensch To: trombone-l@samford.edu Sent: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 1:17 pm Subject: [Trombone-l] Alto Mouthpieces I generally try to stay on the same rim, right now my alto and small bore piece is the Alessi A2, which is similar to a Wick 3AL. I have found Rochut up an octave on alto really helps lock in where the horn centers. Part of the problem switching back and forth is air management so the more I work on extremes on alto the more it helps me not to overblow the horn. On 1/10/08 12:00 PM, "trombone-l-request@samford.edu" wrote: > Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to > trombone-l@samford.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trombone-l-request@samford.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trombone-l-owner@samford.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alto (Kenny Carter) > 2. Re: Alto range (Frank Darmiento) > 3. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Mark Mohwinkel) > 4. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Mark Mohwinkel) > 5. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Daryl Burch) > 6. Re: Alto Mouthpiece (Kenny Carter) > 7. Mouthpieces Wanted (Bonemaster) > 8. Re: Alto (Tom Izzo) > 9. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Dan Thornton) > 10. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (David Johansen) > 11. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Philip Brink) > 12. Information Needed (michael.purdy@comcast.net) > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l -- _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:17:23 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I got a "real" alto mouthpiece, when I bought my althorn. It makes the thing sound more like the hunting instrument, it evolved from. I couldn't take it and, since I own a couple dozen trombone mouthpieces, I decided to change the receiver on the althorn to a small-shank trombone receiver. Now I can play the thing with a variety of great-sounding mouthpieces. Because I made my alto sackbut from a student-model tenor trombone, it already had a trombone receiver. And I must agree that playing alto trombone throws me at first, because the partials aren't in familiar places. Then when I go back to tenor trombone, I'm again thrown, because I've gotten used to where the alto partials are. But, unfortunately, for my family and friends, it fits in a carry-on suitcase, so I wind up taking it on trips, even though I can't play anything worth listening to. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:57:12 -0500 From: bjmchaffie@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8CA21DA20373BDE-B34-27F@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed The alt horn is as differenty from a tenorhorn (USA) as a D trumpet is from A Bb trumped. I cannot speak to playing the alt horn as I have only had a visual view of the differences between them and my tenor horn. The mouthpiece on my tenor was considerably different from the on on the Althorn and also my tenor was 20% to 15% larger than the althorn, shaped differently and it appeared that the tubing in the tenor was larger than the althorn. Does you althorn center well on each note or does it have a centering problem as the Eb french horn? beldon wade -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Pliskin Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 2:17 pm Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece I got a "real" alto mouthpiece, when I bought my althorn. It makes the thing sound more like the hunting instrument, it evolved from. I couldn't take it and, since I own a couple dozen trombone mouthpieces, I decided to change the receiver on the althorn to a small-shank trombone receiver. Now I can play the thing with a variety of great-sounding mouthpieces. Because I made my alto sackbut from a student-model tenor trombone, it already had a trombone receiver. And I must agree that playing alto trombone throws me at first, because the partials aren't in familiar places. Then when I go back to tenor trombone, I'm again thrown, because I've gotten used to where the alto partials are. But, unfortunately, for my family and friends, it fits in a carry-on suitcase, so I wind up taking it on trips, even though I can't play anything worth listening to. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:49:36 +1100 From: Denton Thomas Subject: [Trombone-l] Rome Fest Orch? To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <4786A100.2020409@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If there is anyone out there who has actually attended the Rome Festival Orchestra (not the Opera), could you send me a brief synopsis/commentary off-list? I'm at a loss to find substantive commentary anywhere online. I've know about RFO for years, but the lack of online commentary seems a bit odd. Cheers - Denton -- dentonlt.com / denton@dentonlt.com DMA in Progress: Performance, Trombone The University of Texas at Austin ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:16:22 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > The alt horn is as differenty from a tenorhorn (USA) as a D trumpet is > from A Bb trumped. I specifically used the therm althorn, because there are basically two tenor horns, depending on who's using the term. One is an althorn and one is a skinny baritone horn. > Does you althorn center well on each note or does it have a centering > problem as the Eb french horn? I'm not very good at valves, and like the alto trombone, the althorn partials throw me. But when my bursitis is really bad, I can play althorn but not trombone. My general feeling is that valved instruments are designed to not center as well as trombones, because the player needs to lip notes up and down, just to get the thing to play in tune. I'm not saying that the instrument is badly designed, but a selection of three lengths of tubing will never center on equal temperament or even just tuning. Valves give you approximate tubing lengths and its up to you to lip the rest. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: Philip Brink , dajohansen@music.org Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <265868.45653.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey Phil, --- Philip Brink wrote: > I have had experience using the Christian Lindberg > #10, which I am > told is the smallest trombone mouthpiece currently > made. Smallest Tenor/Alto mp? I'll bet you my Soprano mp is smaller. Then there's the Picc........... Tom Worked for me > [a bass trombone player!] > > Look for one and see what results you get! > > Phil Brink > > On 1/10/08, David Johansen > wrote: > > I'm with Dan on this. I've got an old Yamaha alto > horn mouthpiece that, > > with some plumber's tape, fits the receiver on my > Courtois alto. The E > > flat alto horn is the same length as the alto bone > and I love the > > sound. I haven't measured the rim diameter but > it's quite a bit smaller > > than the smallest trombone mouthpiece I own and > the sound and intonation > > is great. > > > > DJ > > > > Dan Thornton wrote: > > > Where can this 22mm rim width "true alto" > mouthpiece be purchased? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > > > > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On > Behalf Of John Cather > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:14 AM > > > To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > > > Subject: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece > > > > > > There have been a lot of good responses on this > topic. Heres my take that > > no > > > one has hit on yet. I've been playing alto for > much longer than this new > > > revival period of the alto. I hope it's not a > fad but a lasting dimension > > of > > > the modern trombone. > > > > > > In my opinion, The Conn and Yamaha are very well > constructed, but only to > > > please a tenor player. They are large bore with > large bells. > > > They play and sound like short tenors to me. The > smaller bore instruments > > > with smaller bells sound more like altos to me > and I prefer them. > > Otherwise > > > I'd rather play a small tenor. > > > > > > Also, I've preached this before. Sorry guys, you > can hit delete now if you > > > want. > > > A bach 12 or bach 15 is not an alto mouthpiece > it's a tenor. I know most > > > players are tenor players and want the alto to > feel and play like their > > > tenor and that's why the bach 12 and the such. > That's fine for those that > > do > > > not want to put in the time to play alto as an > alto. But you don't get the > > > added high range or the focused sound that comes > naturally with an alto > > > mouthpiece unless you are (in my > > > opinion) working too hard and maybe pinching > your sound. An alto mpc > > should > > > be in the range of about 22mm rim width and not > the 24mm width on a bach > > 12 > > > or 15. I know not many makers offer anything > like this and that's because > > > there is little to no demand for it. But most > makers can custom make > > > anything you'd like. I've made a few myself out > of the frustration of not > > > having a bach or schilke available to buy. But > when the mpc is at least > > > ballpark close, it becomes easy to play and get > the focused sound and > > range > > > you'd expect from the smaller trombone. It > doesn't kill you to play the > > > repertoire like it does on a tenor (or tenor > mpc) and it sounds better > > > naturally. > > > > > > OK off my soap box. Sorry guys. > > > > > > John Cather > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trombone-l mailing list > > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trombone-l mailing list > > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:14:09 -0500 From: "Bonemaster" Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliott Mouthpieces and Parts Wanted To: Message-ID: <000a01c85453$d9fa08c0$6101a8c0@america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fellow Listers, Thanks for the kind responses to address my LB110/K/K8 and LT101 G/H need. I'm still looking for: LT G8/9 and H8/9 shanks; LB 111 & 112 rims in silver as well as an L cup and L8 & K&L9 shanks and An ST97 'stock' (unmodified) silver rim and a ST4 shank. Please email me offline if you have anything in great working condition (exterior bruises, dings and blemishes are okay) at bonemstr@america.net. Thanks, Bob Devine Roswell/Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:22:47 -0500 From: John Burton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: "Trombone List (trombone-l@samford.edu)" Message-ID: <0F43462F-1613-4BF4-A776-84141AFCFA7E@mimectl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" THAT's something I'd never thought of before!! Makes sense... Hey you mechanical engineers .. how's that stand by you?? --==jb==-- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone Kanawha Valley Community Band / Slide-by-Slide South Charleston, West Virginia From: Daniel Pliskin Sent: Fri 1/11/2008 1:16 AM To: bjmchaffie@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece My general feeling is that valved instruments are designed to not center as well as trombones, because the player needs to lip notes up and down, just to get the thing to play in tune. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:35:03 GMT From: Nigel Horne Subject: [Trombone-l] [HAMPSHIRE, United Kingdom] Fordingbridge Associate Band Vacancy To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200801111335.m0BDZ3iD004966@njh.bandsman.co.uk> Fordingbridge Associate Band, Fordingbridge, HAMPSHIRE, United Kingdom (Non contesting) has an immediate vacancy for a trombone player. Contact David Sykes at davidsykes1@tiscali.co.uk. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:30 -0500 From: bjmchaffie@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8CA2277E2E97BCA-12A4-3E34@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Agreed beldon wade -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Pliskin To: bjmchaffie@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 1:16 am Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece ------------------------------------------------------------ > The alt horn is as differenty from a tenorhorn (USA) as a D trumpet is > from A Bb trumped. I specifically used the therm althorn, because there are basically two tenor horns, depending on who's using the term.? One is an althorn and one is a skinny baritone horn.? > Does you althorn center well on each note or does it have a centering > problem as the Eb french horn? I'm not very good at valves, and like the alto trombone, the althorn partials throw me.? But when my bursitis is really bad, I can play althorn but not trombone.? My general feeling is that valved instruments are designed to not center as well as trombones, because the player needs to lip notes up and down, just to get the thing to play in tune.? I'm not saying that the instrument is badly designed, but a selection of three lengths of tubing will never center on equal temperament or even just tuning.? Valves give you approximate tubing lengths and its up to you to lip the rest.? DanP Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. Start now! = ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:53:37 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: [Trombone-l] Iraqi National Orchestra To: sdg@sinfonia.org, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200801111453.m0BErj6K002000@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't usually care for CNN, they seem to have a viewpoint that I don't care for. Even so, I was just in McDonalds in Wellston, Ok, and CNN was showing a story on the Iraqi National Orchestra. That such a group can play in the midst of the conflict they are in just brought tears to my eyes. I was riveted to the spot until the story was over. Way to go you guys! Young ladies, too! Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 11 ******************************************