Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Alto (Kenny Carter) 2. Re: Alto range (Frank Darmiento) 3. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Mark Mohwinkel) 4. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Mark Mohwinkel) 5. Re: Jazz-type Substances in MN (Daryl Burch) 6. Re: Alto Mouthpiece (Kenny Carter) 7. Mouthpieces Wanted (Bonemaster) 8. Re: Alto (Tom Izzo) 9. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Dan Thornton) 10. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (David Johansen) 11. Re: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece (Philip Brink) 12. Information Needed (michael.purdy@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:08:47 -0500 From: "Kenny Carter" Subject: [Trombone-l] Alto To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What alto mouthpieces is everyone using? To my dismay, my range is higher on my tenor than on my alto...Most of this has to be me, but I'm sure that a smaller mouthpiece for the alto wouldn't hurt. Thanks, Kenny Carter ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Darmiento Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Alto range To: Kenny Carter , Trombone-L Message-ID: <940236.63269.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Kenny - I'm sure you'll hear of lots of different mouthpiece options for the alto. As with the tenor, there's no single best mouthpiece. For my Bach alto I now use a Bach 12C. However, I can go up to a Bach 7 and it will work fine. Larger than that and I have a tendency to overblow the horn and it will adversely affect my upper register sound. If I use a Bach 12E or 15 the sound gets a little thinner. I have the same range on my small bore tenor & alto. The sound is different, of course, and the partials are closer on the tenor. Those are the primary differences between the two horns when playing in the upper register. My guide is to try to use the right tool for the job. If you're having trouble getting your tenor range on the alto make sure you stay relaxed on the alto. I find it's easy to overblow the alto when I'm working on the upper register and this can make it harder to get the high notes out. Frank --- Kenny Carter wrote: > What alto mouthpieces is everyone using? > To my dismay, my range is higher on my tenor than on > my alto...Most of this > has to be me, but I'm sure that a smaller mouthpiece > for the alto wouldn't > hurt. > Thanks, > Kenny Carter > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Frank T. Darmiento Scottsdale, Arizona frank@darmiento.com www.SackbutMusic.com --------------------------- Frank Darmiento's latest jazz CD 'Sudden Impact' is available from Summit Records at: http://www.summitrecords.com/product.tmpl?SKU=339 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz-type Substances in MN To: Daryl Burch , Bone Trombone-L Message-ID: <526340.66384.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'll just point you in a couple of directions and you can peruse before you head up here. But first, since you hail from CA (I think), plan for high teens, low 20s during that weekend - at least that's the extended forecast - relatively balmy. Keep in mind, however, we've had changes of 60-70 degress in a few days so who knows! For you southern types, both Minneapolis and St. Paul have extensive skyway systems so you can cover a lot of ground on foot without going outside, depending on where you need to be. Maps of both can be found at: http://minneapolis.about.com/cs/shoppingservice/a/skyways.htm Scroll about half way down and look for the links: "PDF map of downtown St. Paul showing skyways" and "PDF Minneapolis Skyway and Parking Map" Now on to your question... Go to the Twin Cities Jazz Society website at http://www.tcjs.org/ and check out "Performance Schedules" under the "Main Menu" on the left side of the page. That will take you to a page from which you can select concert or club gig schedules. Too bad you won't be here the end of the month or I'd direct you to the Wabasha Street Caves on 1/31 where big band in which I play will be on stage (Bend in the River Big Band). Before you select anything, go to the venue's websites. For example the Wabsha Caves on Thursdays have swing night and it's full of folks swing dancing for three hours. Fun, but probably not the place to go hear hard-driving jazz. If you want to listen in the car, tune in to KBEM 88.5 for the better jazz station in town. Also, check separately at http://www.dakotacooks.com for the Dakota Jazz Club & Restaurant schedule. It's a mess on the TCJS site, but they have their own calendar. Usually a great place to listen (haven't been to their new location so not sure on acoustics there) and great, but expensive food. Finally, if you're looking for a particular group/musician with a Twin City connection, you can look under the main menu of the TCJS website for "Twin Citites Musicians and Groups" where you can find names and websites by musician/group. As for restaurants, it would depend completely on what you're looking for. The TC area really has a huge variety of restaurants. I hope this helps you and anyone else heading up to the Northland. Welcome and enjoy your stay. Let me know if there's anything in particular I can with which I can try to assist you. Regards, Mark Mohwinkel 1967 48H Hudson, WI (just across the scenic St.Croix River from MN and the Twin Cities) Daryl Burch wrote: Hey, all! I'm travelling to Minneapolis for an extended weekend from 1/17 ? 1/21. Do any of y'all know anything about the bustling MN jazz scene? Any suggestions for clubs/venues/coffee houses that might have live jazz-type substances? Or does anybody know of any such blog or online forum for the area that might lead me to such info? Any suggestions appreciated. Food suggestions welcome, too. (As that seems to be our sporting activity.) Thanks for the tips! Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz-type Substances in MN To: Daryl Burch , Bone Trombone-L Message-ID: <812624.47751.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A follow-up and a clarification on my response to Twin City Jazz info for Daryl: I said the Dakota was a mess on the TCJS website. I meant their calendar was a mess. The place (at least the old location) was great! The calendar on the Dakota's page is much clearer. Another place that used to get a lot of action when they were in Minneapolis (now relocated to St. Paul) is the Artists' Quarter. Might be worth checking out their website directly as well: http://www.artistsquarter.com Check out the "Sunday Afternoon Jazz Party" at the Quarter on 1/20 - might be of some interest? Sorry for the follow-up post, but thought especially the AQ info would be of interest. Regards, Mark Mohwinkel --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:16:58 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz-type Substances in MN To: Mark Mohwinkel Cc: Bone Trombone-L Message-ID: <2AA292FD-6EF6-4020-BA97-F58EF617F0D7@burchinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks for the tons of great info, Mark! Ya, The TCs in January isn't my typical idea of a good time. But since I'm going I'm gonna at least catch some good local arts flavor! {But then NorCal right now is about as much fun: mid-40's & lots o' rain! This is the time that makes us appreciate our 10 months of summer.} Thanks again for the info! Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Mark Mohwinkel wrote: I'll just point you in a couple of directions and you can peruse before you head up here. But first, since you hail from CA (I think), plan for high teens, low 20s during that weekend - at least that's the extended forecast - relatively balmy. Keep in mind, however, we've had changes of 60-70 degress in a few days so who knows! For you southern types, both Minneapolis and St. Paul have extensive skyway systems so you can cover a lot of ground on foot without going outside, depending on where you need to be. Maps of both can be found at: http://minneapolis.about.com/cs/shoppingservice/a/skyways.htm Scroll about half way down and look for the links: "PDF map of downtown St. Paul showing skyways" and "PDF Minneapolis Skyway and Parking Map" Now on to your question... Go to the Twin Cities Jazz Society website at http://www.tcjs.org/ and check out "Performance Schedules" under the "Main Menu" on the left side of the page. That will take you to a page from which you can select concert or club gig schedules. Too bad you won't be here the end of the month or I'd direct you to the Wabasha Street Caves on 1/31 where big band in which I play will be on stage (Bend in the River Big Band). Before you select anything, go to the venue's websites. For example the Wabsha Caves on Thursdays have swing night and it's full of folks swing dancing for three hours. Fun, but probably not the place to go hear hard-driving jazz. If you want to listen in the car, tune in to KBEM 88.5 for the better jazz station in town. Also, check separately at http://www.dakotacooks.com for the Dakota Jazz Club & Restaurant schedule. It's a mess on the TCJS site, but they have their own calendar. Usually a great place to listen (haven't been to their new location so not sure on acoustics there) and great, but expensive food. Finally, if you're looking for a particular group/musician with a Twin City connection, you can look under the main menu of the TCJS website for "Twin Citites Musicians and Groups" where you can find names and websites by musician/group. As for restaurants, it would depend completely on what you're looking for. The TC area really has a huge variety of restaurants. I hope this helps you and anyone else heading up to the Northland. Welcome and enjoy your stay. Let me know if there's anything in particular I can with which I can try to assist you. Regards, Mark Mohwinkel 1967 48H Hudson, WI (just across the scenic St.Croix River from MN and the Twin Cities) Daryl Burch wrote: Hey, all! I'm travelling to Minneapolis for an extended weekend from 1/17 ? 1/21. Do any of y'all know anything about the bustling MN jazz scene? Any suggestions for clubs/venues/coffee houses that might have live jazz-type substances? Or does anybody know of any such blog or online forum for the area that might lead me to such info? Any suggestions appreciated. Food suggestions welcome, too. (As that seems to be our sporting activity.) Thanks for the tips! Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:54:02 -0500 From: "Kenny Carter" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Alto Mouthpiece To: Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Joseph, Thanks for your thoughtful reply, as well as a reply from Frank Darmiento. Since 1972 I've used a Giardinelli 5M with a removable (screw-on) rim on my tenor...The rim is has a "5" stamped into it. Does anyone know if Giardinelli makes smaller rims that might fit it, and be more suited to an alto? As for the alto, I really haven't spent a lot of time with it. It really does weird things to your head...I never realized how homed in I was to a 1st position Bb pitch. For jazz playing I thought I could just pretend I was a fourth up from the key of the song, but my ear won't let me get used to the sound of an Eb in 1st. The mouthpiece that came with the alto is whatever comes with the infamous Selman Eb alto trombone, a rather bulbous-shaped mouthpiece. The bowl is larger than the Giardinelli 5M, but the rim is about the same. Wonder how a 12C compares to the Giardinelli 5M? Thanks, Kenny Carter -----Original Message----- p From: mahler427@aol.com [mailto:mahler427@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:49 PM To: kenny@leaksville.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Alto Hi Kenny, I use a Vincent Bach 12C now, but that has come as the result of some experimentation. I used a Bach 6 1/2 to begin and quickly switched to a Doug Elliott C cup with an LT 100 rim and a C2s shank. I played on that for a long time, and lost my DE, which forced to switch to something more readily available (the 12C). I have been very satisfied with the results when using my 12C, and have not been in a situation where it has not met the task. Even after getting my Doug Elliott back, I have not parted with my 12C. Your mileage may vary. How long have you been playing alto, and what mouthpiece do you play on right now? Best, Joseph Frye ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:35:25 -0500 From: "Bonemaster" Subject: [Trombone-l] Mouthpieces Wanted To: Message-ID: <01ba01c85342$3e8723d0$6101a8c0@america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fellow Listers, I'm still looking for Doug Elliott parts. One of you kindly responded to address my LT101 G/H 8/9 need. I'm still looking for: LB 110, 111 &/or 112 rims in silver as well as K &/or L cups and 8 & 9 shanks and An ST97 'stock' (unmodified) silver rim and a 4 shank. Please email me offline if you have anything in great working condition (exterior bruises, dings and blemishes are okay) at bonemstr@america.net. Thanks, Bob Devine Roswell/Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:08:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Alto To: Kenny Carter , trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <293560.80537.qm@web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Kenny, --- Kenny Carter wrote: > What alto mouthpieces is everyone using? Well, I can't answer for everyone, but I use a Doug Elliott system. An equiv to my Bass rim (1 1/4) with an 11Cish cup. > To my dismay, my range is higher on my tenor than on > my alto...Most of this > has to be me, but I'm sure that a smaller mouthpiece > for the alto wouldn't > hurt. Well..........Being primarily a Bass Trombonist, my range is greater on Bass, both low, obviously, & high. Just the tone is different on Alto. Tom > Thanks, > Kenny Carter > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:49:25 -0900 From: "Dan Thornton" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: "'John Cather'" , Message-ID: <001e01c8535d$53059d80$6601a8c0@regal.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Where can this 22mm rim width "true alto" mouthpiece be purchased? -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of John Cather Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:14 AM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece There have been a lot of good responses on this topic. Heres my take that no one has hit on yet. I've been playing alto for much longer than this new revival period of the alto. I hope it's not a fad but a lasting dimension of the modern trombone. In my opinion, The Conn and Yamaha are very well constructed, but only to please a tenor player. They are large bore with large bells. They play and sound like short tenors to me. The smaller bore instruments with smaller bells sound more like altos to me and I prefer them. Otherwise I'd rather play a small tenor. Also, I've preached this before. Sorry guys, you can hit delete now if you want. A bach 12 or bach 15 is not an alto mouthpiece it's a tenor. I know most players are tenor players and want the alto to feel and play like their tenor and that's why the bach 12 and the such. That's fine for those that do not want to put in the time to play alto as an alto. But you don't get the added high range or the focused sound that comes naturally with an alto mouthpiece unless you are (in my opinion) working too hard and maybe pinching your sound. An alto mpc should be in the range of about 22mm rim width and not the 24mm width on a bach 12 or 15. I know not many makers offer anything like this and that's because there is little to no demand for it. But most makers can custom make anything you'd like. I've made a few myself out of the frustration of not having a bach or schilke available to buy. But when the mpc is at least ballpark close, it becomes easy to play and get the focused sound and range you'd expect from the smaller trombone. It doesn't kill you to play the repertoire like it does on a tenor (or tenor mpc) and it sounds better naturally. OK off my soap box. Sorry guys. John Cather _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:43 -0600 From: David Johansen Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <478630C3.2000203@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm with Dan on this. I've got an old Yamaha alto horn mouthpiece that, with some plumber's tape, fits the receiver on my Courtois alto. The E flat alto horn is the same length as the alto bone and I love the sound. I haven't measured the rim diameter but it's quite a bit smaller than the smallest trombone mouthpiece I own and the sound and intonation is great. DJ Dan Thornton wrote: > Where can this 22mm rim width "true alto" mouthpiece be purchased? > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of John Cather > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:14 AM > To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece > > There have been a lot of good responses on this topic. Heres my take that no > one has hit on yet. I've been playing alto for much longer than this new > revival period of the alto. I hope it's not a fad but a lasting dimension of > the modern trombone. > > In my opinion, The Conn and Yamaha are very well constructed, but only to > please a tenor player. They are large bore with large bells. > They play and sound like short tenors to me. The smaller bore instruments > with smaller bells sound more like altos to me and I prefer them. Otherwise > I'd rather play a small tenor. > > Also, I've preached this before. Sorry guys, you can hit delete now if you > want. > A bach 12 or bach 15 is not an alto mouthpiece it's a tenor. I know most > players are tenor players and want the alto to feel and play like their > tenor and that's why the bach 12 and the such. That's fine for those that do > not want to put in the time to play alto as an alto. But you don't get the > added high range or the focused sound that comes naturally with an alto > mouthpiece unless you are (in my > opinion) working too hard and maybe pinching your sound. An alto mpc should > be in the range of about 22mm rim width and not the 24mm width on a bach 12 > or 15. I know not many makers offer anything like this and that's because > there is little to no demand for it. But most makers can custom make > anything you'd like. I've made a few myself out of the frustration of not > having a bach or schilke available to buy. But when the mpc is at least > ballpark close, it becomes easy to play and get the focused sound and range > you'd expect from the smaller trombone. It doesn't kill you to play the > repertoire like it does on a tenor (or tenor mpc) and it sounds better > naturally. > > OK off my soap box. Sorry guys. > > John Cather > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:16:29 +0700 From: "Philip Brink" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece To: dajohansen@music.org Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <65eceedf0801100716g11c9e0b6qbb9f8f891ffb4ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have had experience using the Christian Lindberg #10, which I am told is the smallest trombone mouthpiece currently made. Worked for me [a bass trombone player!] Look for one and see what results you get! Phil Brink On 1/10/08, David Johansen wrote: > I'm with Dan on this. I've got an old Yamaha alto horn mouthpiece that, > with some plumber's tape, fits the receiver on my Courtois alto. The E > flat alto horn is the same length as the alto bone and I love the > sound. I haven't measured the rim diameter but it's quite a bit smaller > than the smallest trombone mouthpiece I own and the sound and intonation > is great. > > DJ > > Dan Thornton wrote: > > Where can this 22mm rim width "true alto" mouthpiece be purchased? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of John Cather > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:14 AM > > To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > > Subject: Get a real alto trombone mouthpiece > > > > There have been a lot of good responses on this topic. Heres my take that > no > > one has hit on yet. I've been playing alto for much longer than this new > > revival period of the alto. I hope it's not a fad but a lasting dimension > of > > the modern trombone. > > > > In my opinion, The Conn and Yamaha are very well constructed, but only to > > please a tenor player. They are large bore with large bells. > > They play and sound like short tenors to me. The smaller bore instruments > > with smaller bells sound more like altos to me and I prefer them. > Otherwise > > I'd rather play a small tenor. > > > > Also, I've preached this before. Sorry guys, you can hit delete now if you > > want. > > A bach 12 or bach 15 is not an alto mouthpiece it's a tenor. I know most > > players are tenor players and want the alto to feel and play like their > > tenor and that's why the bach 12 and the such. That's fine for those that > do > > not want to put in the time to play alto as an alto. But you don't get the > > added high range or the focused sound that comes naturally with an alto > > mouthpiece unless you are (in my > > opinion) working too hard and maybe pinching your sound. An alto mpc > should > > be in the range of about 22mm rim width and not the 24mm width on a bach > 12 > > or 15. I know not many makers offer anything like this and that's because > > there is little to no demand for it. But most makers can custom make > > anything you'd like. I've made a few myself out of the frustration of not > > having a bach or schilke available to buy. But when the mpc is at least > > ballpark close, it becomes easy to play and get the focused sound and > range > > you'd expect from the smaller trombone. It doesn't kill you to play the > > repertoire like it does on a tenor (or tenor mpc) and it sounds better > > naturally. > > > > OK off my soap box. Sorry guys. > > > > John Cather > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:58:56 +0000 From: michael.purdy@comcast.net Subject: [Trombone-l] Information Needed To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <011020081758.3095.47865CE0000D532100000C172214756402970B9D9A9FD2040A0E080C0703@comcast.net> Dear Group: Could anyone give me any background on the trombone quartet "In Memoriam" by Ray Premru? I'd be very interested if it was written with any particular person in mind. Also, I have heard it said that the composer Serocki had been a professional boxer at one time in his life. Can anyone confirm that this is true or if totally off base? Many thanks in advance. Mike ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 ******************************************