Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 15 Date: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 15 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: (WAS) How to learn about F attachment (Raymond Horton) 2. Alessi in WSj (chris) 3. Re: [SPAM?] Alessi in WSj (Scott Bean) 4. Re: intonation (emrose79) 5. Re: intonation (Patrick & Lisa Bates) 6. State Instrument (Pat McFarland) 7. NBC Symphony photos & info (Bill Dinwiddie) 8. Re: (WAS) How to learn about F attachment (Daniel Pliskin) 9. Re: intonation - solo practice (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 10. Re: intonation - solo practice (Jeff Albert) 11. Re: intonation - solo practice (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:07:25 -0400 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] (WAS) How to learn about F attachment To: Keith Marr Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45F82BCD.3000303@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Of course oboe players can tune. they can pull and push their reed in and out, or they have other reeds in their case.. The reason we tune to them is because of the sound, and tradition. RBH Louisville Orchestra Keith Marr wrote: > Listers have picked up on this comment, actuually it's a typo. I meant to > say "tune TO the oboe". I bet the oboe player has problems when we tune to a > church organ, as seems to be the case when there's one in the score. For > that matter if 2nd oboe isn't in tune with 1st what do they do about it? > Probably just play out of tune eh . . . > > Cheers! > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > North Herts Big Band > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> I played next to a guy a few months ago who tuned his fourth line F on the >>> valve to the same note on the open horn. It didn't seem to occur to him to >>> tune the oboe . . . hmmm! >>> >> The reason the orchestra tunes to the oboes is that you can't tune an >> oboe. >> The best you can do is to carve a new reed, in a slightly different pitch. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:57:13 -0800 From: chris Subject: [Trombone-l] Alessi in WSj To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <3A75F302-8A66-4017-8F36-252D0701CC6A@iris.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed There is an article on the new concerto by Wagner played by Alessi in the Wed WSJ. The performance will be broadcast by WFMT. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:32:43 -0400 From: "Scott Bean" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] [SPAM?] Alessi in WSj To: "Trombone-L" , "chris" Message-ID: <000c01c76677$eb664d00$79403189@Elliot2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original For all of you that live in the North Eastern part of the country. Joe Alessi will play a new piece by Stephen Gryc with the Hartford Symphony on Thursday and Friday night in Hartford. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris" To: "Trombone-L" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [SPAM?] [Trombone-l] Alessi in WSj > > > There is an article on the new concerto by Wagner played by Alessi in > the Wed WSJ. The performance will be > broadcast by WFMT. > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:40:34 -0700 From: emrose79 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45F879E2.7010108@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed uh... 5 years? :-P Patrick & Lisa Bates wrote: > 5 years of vocal classes >in high school for starters, > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:48:43 -0400 From: "Patrick & Lisa Bates" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: Message-ID: <007401c76693$4e0dc760$61885fd8@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Up here in Ontario Canada, we used to have 5 years of high school, grades 9 to 13. Four year program was aimed at getting a job, or into a community college. Five year program was a university prep............ Had five years of vocal AND instrumental, two separate programs...... Went to a four year only a few years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "emrose79" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation > uh... 5 years? :-P > > > > Patrick & Lisa Bates wrote: > > > 5 years of vocal classes > >in high school for starters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 03/14/2007 3:38 PM > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:09:54 -0500 From: "Pat McFarland" Subject: [Trombone-l] State Instrument To: "'trombone-list Trombone''" Message-ID: <045301c7669e$a4b26890$0401a8c0@yourvdqzjb2fwx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting... http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6220060 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:12:31 -0500 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] NBC Symphony photos & info To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <000c01c766af$da8ca9b0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original A friend sent me this link to pictures and info of the NBC Symphony. http://www.classicalrecordings.org/znbc/photosnbc.html There are a few familiar names including Allen Ostrander. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:08:12 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] (WAS) How to learn about F attachment Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Of course oboe players can tune. they can pull and push their reed in >and out, or they have other reeds in their case.. The reason we tune >to them is because of the sound, and tradition. Ray, I play oboe and English horn. No, you canāt tune an oboe. If that seems preposterous, ask an oboist you respect. You can cut a reed that will give you a very slight change in pitch, but only very slight. On the other hand, because you canāt tune an oboe, it actually is a good pitch source, but not as accurate as a tuner. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:21:00 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation - solo practice To: "Patrick & Lisa Bates" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That triggered a thought. Perhaps the percentage of time spent alone in the practice room vs playing with a group is wrong. Of course I don't know what that proportion is for you working musicians. Clearly for myself I spend several hours in solitary practice for every hour I spend in a group rehearsal or performance. I feel unprepared to play with a group if I haven't done my homework, so to speak. Maybe that's totally wrong. Maybe the individual skills I'm working on are minor compared to what the ensemble really needs, and I should spend all my time in rehearsal and none in the practice room. Obviously as an adult amateur that isn't practical for most of us. But the two groups most notorious for bad time are pianists and organists, both areas which spend almost all their time alone. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick & Lisa Bates [mailto:plbates@netrover.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:25 AM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation Possible cause? I like to think I have pretty good relative pitch and time (for a complete amatuer at least). I think it's a learned skill, and attribute it to lots of time in group situations. 5 years of vocal classes in high school for starters, along with the instrumental classes, bands, choirs, etc. Piano lessons at a young age too. Typical music geek type. Could people with this problem be the ones that did all their playing solo? Do you really think that happens? That a player becomes so good at playing equal temperament that he can't play with a real world group? I have also experienced this - the player that sounds great, with excellent intonation relative to himself, auditions great, but has trouble holding the job, largely because of an inability to adjust to ensemble pitch. In these cases, ensemble rhythm is usually an issue too. Gabe ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:36:16 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation - solo practice To: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 3/15/07, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW < timothy.a.richardson@us.army.mil> wrote: > > > > Maybe that's totally wrong. Maybe the individual skills I'm working on > are minor compared to what the ensemble really needs, and I should spend > all my time in rehearsal and none in the practice room. Well, no. Any good pro practices alone as well as plays with people. Duets with a friend instead of another hour of Rochuts could be a good idea though. Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:57:22 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation - solo practice To: "Jeff Albert" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can prove I have no shortage of ideas. I didn't say any were good ones! When I was in college we had no practice rooms. We came to the band hall in the evenings, faced out towards the wall, and worked on ignoring the others. So I started buying my own duets, trios, quartets, quintets, etc. so I could play with whoever was available. I never developed a daily practice routine, something that hurt me later, but maybe I worked on other skills. Music is communication and it's hard to do alone. Except for pianists, some of whom buy $30,000 grand pianos, take expensive lessons for a lifetime, and never play in public once. Hard for me to understand but I guess they find it rewarding. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeffalbert.smb@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:36 PM To: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW Cc: Patrick & Lisa Bates; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation - solo practice On 3/15/07, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW wrote: Maybe that's totally wrong. Maybe the individual skills I'm working on are minor compared to what the ensemble really needs, and I should spend all my time in rehearsal and none in the practice room. Well, no. Any good pro practices alone as well as plays with people. Duets with a friend instead of another hour of Rochuts could be a good idea though. Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 15 ******************************************