Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 13 Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 13 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: School information (Raymond Horton) 2. Re: School information (Kavett@aol.com) 3. Bousfield/Dove (Roger Harvey) 4. Re: School information (Scott Bean) 5. Re: School information (Scott Bean) 6. Gene Pokorny and Ross Tolbert at Redlands (Andrew Glendening) 7. Re: School information (Peter Fielding) 8. Re: intonation (Earl Needham) 9. Doug Elliot (emrose79) 10. Benge trombone (Rick Lundquist) 11. Re: Doug Elliot (John Jensen) 12. Re: Doug Elliot (David W. Buckley) 13. Re: Benge trombone (Bonemaster) 14. Re: Doug Elliot (Roger Carmichael) 15. Dancing with the Stars (zemry1) 16. Re: intonation (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 17. Re: Dancing with the Stars (ALEX ILES) 18. Re: Dancing with the Stars (sabutin) 19. Re: intonation (Adrian Drover) 20. Re: intonation (Adrian Drover) 21. Fw: Re: Dancing with the Stars (2nd try) (sabutin) 22. Re: intonation (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 23. Re: Doug Elliot (Gabriel Langfur) 24. Re: Doug Elliot (Keith Marr) 25. Re: intonation (Jeff Adams) 26. Re: Doug Elliott (Walter Barrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:15:38 -0400 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] School information To: Jeff Albert Cc: Trombone-l Message-ID: <45F58ABA.1090403@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ball State U at Muncie, Indiana, has the best Music Technology program that I know of. Also good instrumental teachers and some good composers on faculty. Very good orchestra, good professional symphony in the city.Excellent facilities in a new building with great sound studios and a great concert hall that opened two years ago (example of the studio facilities: a quarter million dollars worth of microphones alone). I have been really surprised at the level of my son's education in his four years there, knowing nothing about it until he researched Music Tech programs himself. Now I recommend the school to all my students interested in music. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Jeff Albert wrote: > Loyola University New Orleans has a Music Industry Studies program that he > should check out. There is a track that focuses on engineering, and the > program is headed by John Snyder who produced records for Mel Lewis, Gerry > Mulligan, Ornette Coleman, Sun Ra and all sorts of other people, so there is > a great producer to learn from. > > http://music.loyno.edu/musicindustry/index.html > > Loyola also has several good composition teachers to study with. > > Full disclosure: I am an adjunct instructor there. I teach the Intro to > Music Technology class that the Music Industry Studies majors take. > > Peace, > Jeff > > On 3/12/07, Jon Bohls wrote: > >> Listers, >> >> I have an ex-student that is starting to look at colleges. He is in his >> Jr. >> year of HS right now. He wants to major in Composition and Sound >> Engineering. The Sound Engineering would be to learn to produce >> recordings. >> What schools would you recommend he look at? >> >> Thanks, >> Jon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:02:50 EDT From: Kavett@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] School information To: rayhorton@insightbb.com, jeffalbert.smb@gmail.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MUSIC INDUSTRY USC, CA Monmouth University, NJ SOUND RECORDING/TECHNOLOGY ITHACA COLLEGE, NY SUNY, ONEONTA, NY


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:08:29 +0000 From: Roger Harvey Subject: [Trombone-l] Bousfield/Dove To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just joined this listing and think you should be interested in a new concerto. It is called Stargazer by Jonathon Dove; a 30 minute piece given its first performance last Friday by Ian Bousfield and the LSO in London. Staggeringly assured playing by Ian, he made a difficult piece sound easy. It's in a very listenable contemporary style, normal symphonic resources (no trombones in orch) and although challenging for the soloist should be worth the work. Look out for it. Roger Harvey ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:12:31 -0400 From: "Scott Bean" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] School information To: "Jon Bohls" , "Trombone-l" Message-ID: <002c01c764e2$c5cde4e0$79403189@Elliot2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Bohls" To: "Trombone-l" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] School information > Listers, > > I have an ex-student that is starting to look at colleges. He is in his > Jr. > year of HS right now. He wants to major in Composition and Sound > Engineering. The Sound Engineering would be to learn to produce > recordings. > What schools would you recommend he look at? > > Thanks, > Jon > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:27:46 -0400 From: "Scott Bean" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] School information To: "Jon Bohls" , "Trombone-l" Message-ID: <003001c764e4$e520ed90$79403189@Elliot2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The Hartt School at the University of Hartford, where I am one of the trombone teachers has a very solid Sound Engineering program. Scott Metcalf is the head of the program. As far as composition...Joseph Turrin, Robert Carl, David Macbride, Ken Steen, and Stephen Gryc are some of the teachers in the department. Stephen Gryc wrote a piece for Phil Smith which is on the Fandango album and one for Joe Alessi which will be played with the Hartford Symphony this Thursday and Friday. >From what I understand, the program is designed under the philosophy that you have to be a good musician to become a good sound engineer. So there is emphasis on musicianship throughout. The website is www.hartford.edu/hartt if you would like more info. All the best... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Bohls" To: "Trombone-l" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] School information > Listers, > > I have an ex-student that is starting to look at colleges. He is in his > Jr. > year of HS right now. He wants to major in Composition and Sound > Engineering. The Sound Engineering would be to learn to produce > recordings. > What schools would you recommend he look at? > > Thanks, > Jon > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:05:28 -0700 From: Andrew Glendening Subject: [Trombone-l] Gene Pokorny and Ross Tolbert at Redlands To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Folks, Gene Pokorny is going to be in residence at the University of Redlands this week. On Saturday the 17th there is a tuba clinic in the morning and then the Vaughn Williams Concerto with the Redlands Symphony Orchestra in the evening. Following the concerto, Gene will be receiving an honorary Doctorate in recognition of all of his achievements. If you are in the region this should be worth your time. The details are listed below. Regards, Andrew -- Andrew Glendening, D. Mus Director, School of Music University of Redlands 1200 East Colton Avenue PO Box 3080 Redlands, CA 92373-0999 909.748.8684 909.335.5183 fax andrew_glendening@redlands.edu Gene Pokorny and Ross Tolbert Tuba Clinic On Saturday, March 17, 2007 the University of Redlands School of Music will host a free tuba clinic featuring guest artist Gene Pokorny from the Chicago Symphony and the University of Redlands Artist Teacher of Tuba, Ross Tolbert. The Tuba Clinic is intended to inspire tuba players of all ages and improve their skills. The Clinic will be held at 10 am in the Frederic Loewe Performance Hall in Watchorn Hall and is free and open to the public. Gene Pokorny is the tuba player in the Chicago Symphony Orchestra having been appointed to that position in 1988 by Sir Georg Solti. A proud native of Southern California, Pokorny studied tuba in high school with Jeffrey Reynolds and Roger Bobo. Upon graduation from high school, he attended the University of Redlands where he studied tuba with Larry Johansen and later with Tommy Johnson. After attending the University of Redlands and graduating from the University of Southern California, he played in the Israel Philharmonic, the Utah Symphony, the Saint Louis Symphony and the Los Angeles Philharmonic. While in Los Angeles he played in several movie soundtracks including "Jurassic Park" and "The Fugitive." Recently retired from the University of Minnesota and the Minnesota Orchestra, where he was tubist for over 35 years, Artist Teacher of Tuba Ross Tolbert comes to the University of Redlands with an extensive background of symphonic playing and teaching. He has performed on more than 200 recordings with the Minnesota Symphony and in over 200 National Public Radio broadcasts carried by some 165 syndicated stations. A founding member of the Chamber Brass Players, Mr. Tolbert is an active recitalist. Mr. Pokorny will be performing the Vaughn Williams Tuba Concerto with the Redlands Symphony Orchestra at 8:15 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2007 in the Memorial Chapel. Tickets can be purchased from the Redlands Symphony Orchestra by calling (909) 748-8018. For more information call the School of Music at (909) 748-8700 or Music@redlands.edu. http://www.redlands.edu/music ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:23:59 -0400 From: "Peter Fielding" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] School information To: Trombone-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello, The University of Miami (Coral Gables Florida) has an interesting combined BMus/B.Sc. that might be worth looking into. I did a MM in theory there, but I knew some people doing that did jazz studies and sound technology as well as some who specialized exclusively on sound recording stuff. ttyl, Peter http://mue.music.miami.edu/ The MUE Experience Since 1975, the Music Engineering Technology program at the University of Miami Frost School of Music has pioneered education in music and technology, setting the standard by which the National Association of Schools of Music (NASM) accredits other such programs around the United States. Alumni of the program have contributed significantly to the music and audio industries and upon graduation pursue careers ranging from recording engineer to software designer. The Music Engineering Technology program provides multidisciplinary four-year Bachelor of Music and Bachelor of Science degrees within a music school setting. All students learn the art and science of recording, mixing, and signal processing while pursuing traditional music studies in performance, history, and theory. In addition, their studies in electrical engineering and computer science provide them with elite technical skills. The Music Engineering Technology program offers a two-year Master of Science graduate degree for students who have completed an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering or computer science. These students study the software and hardware design of audio systems and perform independent research that culminates in a thesis project. Upon graduation, these students are widely placed in top corporations that span the audio industry. On 3/12/07, Scott Bean wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Bohls" > To: "Trombone-l" > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:51 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] School information > > > > Listers, > > > > I have an ex-student that is starting to look at colleges. He is in his > > Jr. > > year of HS right now. He wants to major in Composition and Sound > > Engineering. The Sound Engineering would be to learn to produce > > recordings. > > What schools would you recommend he look at? > > > > Thanks, > > Jon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- Any Distribution, use, or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient...will be considered an unsolicited gift by someone who now knows that they've completely screwed up, have no legal recourse whatsoever, and is not intimidated by spurious, wordy threats. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:21:12 -0600 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200703122322.l2CNMa0b027874@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:39 PM 3/11/2007, John Burton wrote: >That's the secret. Play with your ears. The kids all look at me funny when I do that... Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:16:48 -0700 From: emrose79 Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot To: "'Trombone-L List'" Message-ID: <45F5ED70.4050107@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and emailed, but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) Ed ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Lundquist Subject: [Trombone-l] Benge trombone To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <832664.20292.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello to the list members-This is my first post. I have a question about a Benge Trombone. I recently purchased what I thought was a Benge 190 F trombone.However, the F attachment section is removable. I'm told I have a 190-C model, as in convertible, and it can be converted to a straight horn with a piece i don't have. Is this model still made? Is it rare/collectable? Is the missing piece available? I have a King 3B, but I tried a 190 F a few years ago and really liked it, that's why I went after this one. The seller included a new case, but it must be the wrong model case, as I must disassemble the horn to put it away. Any info about this model will be appreciated. Thanks. Rick Lundquist, Jamestown, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:19:55 -0400 From: "John Jensen" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot To: "emrose79" , "'Trombone-L List'" Message-ID: <004801c7650d$b6c5e030$2f01a8c0@S0029001086> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Doug is fine. I worked with him last Wednesday. He is really busy.....his mouthpieces are great. John Jensen On the web: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ johnjensen@pxrec.com jljbone@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "emrose79" To: "'Trombone-L List'" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot >I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and emailed, > but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:36:27 -0400 From: "David W. Buckley" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot To: "John Jensen" , "emrose79" , "'Trombone-L List'" Message-ID: <002101c76510$0500f760$e7458d18@Buckley> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My experience with Doug is that you have to wait a long time for delivery but it is worth it. He makes great mouthpieces and the flexibility they give you is terrific. Just be patient. Dave Buckley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jensen" To: "emrose79" ; "'Trombone-L List'" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > Doug is fine. I worked with him last Wednesday. He is really busy.....his > mouthpieces are great. > John Jensen > On the web: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ > johnjensen@pxrec.com > jljbone@verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emrose79" > To: "'Trombone-L List'" > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:16 PM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > >>I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and emailed, >> but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) >> Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 > 8:41 AM > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:54:30 -0500 From: "Bonemaster" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Benge trombone To: "Rick Lundquist" , Message-ID: <010f01c76523$4e0e9df0$6101a8c0@america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rick, Indeed, there WAS a 190C. Perhaps Chuck Ward or Paul Abel have some info about it as to whether the 'straight gooseneck' was a separate piece (it is on the modular axes like Shires and Edwards). Bob Devine Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Rick Lundquist Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:02 PM To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Benge trombone Hello to the list members-This is my first post. I have a question about a Benge Trombone. I recently purchased what I thought was a Benge 190 F trombone.However, the F attachment section is removable. I'm told I have a 190-C model, as in convertible, and it can be converted to a straight horn with a piece i don't have. Is this model still made? Is it rare/collectable? Is the missing piece available? I have a King 3B, but I tried a 190 F a few years ago and really liked it, that's why I went after this one. The seller included a new case, but it must be the wrong model case, as I must disassemble the horn to put it away. Any info about this model will be appreciated. Thanks. Rick Lundquist, Jamestown, NY ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:55:19 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot To: "David W. Buckley" , "John Jensen" , "emrose79" , "Trombone-L List" Message-ID: <380-22007321335519500@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, but common courtesy says he ought to respond somehow. Isn't he in a "please the customer" business? > [Original Message] > From: David W. Buckley > To: John Jensen ; emrose79 ; Trombone-L List > Date: 3/12/2007 8:34:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > My experience with Doug is that you have to wait a long time for delivery > but it is worth it. He makes great mouthpieces and the flexibility they give > you is terrific. > > Just be patient. > > Dave Buckley. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Jensen" > To: "emrose79" ; "'Trombone-L List'" > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > > > Doug is fine. I worked with him last Wednesday. He is really busy.....his > > mouthpieces are great. > > John Jensen > > On the web: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ > > johnjensen@pxrec.com > > jljbone@verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "emrose79" > > To: "'Trombone-L List'" > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:16 PM > > Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > > > > >>I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and emailed, > >> but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) > >> Ed > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 > > 8:41 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:26:35 -0500 From: "zemry1" Subject: [Trombone-l] Dancing with the Stars To: "'ALEX ILES'" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <000001c76530$2aededa0$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How was the experience of Dancing with the Stars? How many practice sessions are there, if any? Is the music arranged especially for the show? -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of ALEX ILES Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 PM To: Bill Langston Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Lawrence Welk (off-topic tangent) Most of the live TV shows you see today [even dubious shows like "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars"] are performed LIVE by LIVE musicians. Once in a while, something is pre-recorded. It might be the opening title music and a few "bumpers"--the music used to take the show in/out of commercial breaks-- and maybe some of the music for the [non-competing] guest acts. I get to sub once in a while on "Dancing with the Stars" and that is almost ALL live music. The only pre-recorded material might be the opening credits. LX ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:43:42 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: "Adrian Drover" , "Jeff Adams" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Do you really think that happens? That a player becomes so good at playing equal temperament that he can't play with a real world group? Perhaps to some people, but I would bet the majority who can't play in tune with a group also don't do very well in the practice room. Surely one of the steps in learning to play in tune with a group is simply learning to play in tune with an outside reference. After all, while thirds can be a lot different, unisons and octaves are not, fifths are barely different, etc. There is some research that good musicians are intuitively aware of differences in temperaments, because when told they are too high or too low, their first instinct is to move the right amount to be in the other temperament. I agree keeping a tuner on the music stand seems to be a guarantee not only of some difficulty playing in tune but of a certain defensiveness about it. For me personally the drone CD helps much more. My tuner is only used for my wife's guitar. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide@adios.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:54 PM To: 'Jeff Adams'; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation > From: Jeff Adams > > > > "For music to modulate freely, and for all intervals to remain in > perfect harmonic relationship, the actual frequency of all notes must > be flexible. Furthermore, to be practical, the changes must be > instantaneous in real time." Musicians who are chained to the > intonation they have become accustomed to in a practice room with a > piano or a tuner are generally incapable of playing in tune in an > ensemble where these instantaneous adjustments must be made > immediately and instinctively, without conscious thought. Being a > trombonist puts one in a prime position to be able to make these > adjustments since we are holding a tuning slide in our right hand. Excellent post, Jeff. Makes you wonder why so much orchestral and big band music is written on the piano. A. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:20:40 -0700 From: ALEX ILES Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dancing with the Stars To: "zemry1" Cc: trombone-list Trombone' Message-ID: <17a74ab44786e36c4e115effe1b4c2e9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Z, DWS is a fun job. Harold Wheeler is the m.d. Great guy and fantastic musician. The band is great too. The usual bones are Andy Martin, Reggie Young and bass bonist Craig Gosnell. Reggie has a very busy touring schedule with Earth, Wind and Fire, so I get to fill in once in a while. There's a quick run through of the music in the morning,then a quick run through with the dancers. Then a dress with everyone. Then the show that afternoon. Not a lot of musical rehearsing. Just get it together quick...Harold and Tom Ranier write most of the charts especially for each show. It's a pretty amazing chore to get all the numbers arranged and on the bandstand in short order!! [while dealing with sometimes temperamental amateur dancers in the process!!] The producers [mostly all from the UK] treat the band really well. The judges and all the contestants are all very nice too. They sometimes come out to hear gigs and concerts when the players mention it to them!! And there is always PLENTY to look at on-stage too...[!!!] There can be some pressure as everything is played LIVE, but the thought that crosses the band members' minds the most...."We're actually getting PAID for this?!?!" LX ========================== On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:26 PM, zemry1 wrote: > How was the experience of Dancing with the Stars? How many practice > sessions > are there, if any? Is the music arranged especially for the show? > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of ALEX > ILES > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 PM > To: Bill Langston > Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Lawrence Welk (off-topic tangent) > > > Most of the live TV shows you see today [even dubious shows like > "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars"] are performed LIVE by > LIVE musicians. Once in a while, something is pre-recorded. It might be > the opening title music and a few "bumpers"--the music used to take the > show in/out of commercial breaks-- and maybe some of the music for the > [non-competing] guest acts. I get to sub once in a while on "Dancing > with the Stars" and that is almost ALL live music. The only > pre-recorded material might be the opening credits. > > LX > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:56:08 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Dancing with the Stars To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <25235617.1173772568888.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:11:39 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: "'Earl Needham'" , Message-ID: <000a01c76547$3b15b430$0600a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > From: Earl Needham > > At 06:39 PM 3/11/2007, John Burton wrote: > >That's the secret. Play with your ears. > > The kids all look at me funny when I do that... 'Ear, 'ear. Eyes nose that, Earl. A. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:41:52 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: "'Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW'" , "'Jeff Adams'" , Message-ID: <000b01c7654b$736b4170$0600a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > From: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW > > Do you really think that happens? > > That a player becomes so good at playing equal temperament that he can't > play with a real world group? No, Tim, but I do agree that no musician should be slave to a tuning device. A tuning device has only 12 pitches. The real world of music has hundreds (thousands?). There are far too many influences in music to which you have to adapt your pitch, such as key, harmonic progression and the position of your note in the current chord or scale. You know when you are in tune when you feel comfortable with everything that is going on around you. No fixed pitch electronic device is going to help with that. Ears are the best tuning device the musician can possess. You find it easier to play when you and everyone else around you are listening to the music they are playing. Have you ever heard a fixed pitch synth that sounds more wonderful than a live orchestra? A. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:03:42 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: sabutin Subject: [Trombone-l] Fw: Re: Dancing with the Stars (2nd try) To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <12134760.1173776622224.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:42:11 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: "Adrian Drover" , "Jeff Adams" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will grant you that theoretically this is true. Real world music should have thousands of pitches rather than twelve. I suspect that it is really simpler than that, because for a great number of those pitches the normal error is larger than the difference. However, track back to the mental process by which we play in tune. Is it not at least analogous to how we produce tone? We produce tone by a feedback loop. We start with a mental concept of the desired outcome. We play, we listen to the output, we compute the error between what we want and what we got, we apply a correction and move the tone somehow closer to the desired, repeat continuously in real time. Isn't playing in tune exactly the same? The starting point is knowing what playing in tune sounds like? Then we play, we listen, we compute error, we adjust. If so, there are two implications. One is that using a tuner cannot teach you to play in tune. It can only teach you to produce individual notes at precise pitches, and help you deal with idiosyncratic notes on your horn. So it is a gross adjustment only. Fine adjustment comes from the mental concept which a tuner won't develop, but a drone might, maybe. The second is that with thousands of theoretical mathematical pitches, we either have to have thousands of different mental concepts - OR - playing in tune always sounds the same. (historical temperaments, anyone?) I don't know the answer to the second problem. What I suspect is that each of the thousand should sound slightly different, but given the normal large ensemble and acoustic situation the error is great enough one size fits all. It may not be correct but if we can get that close we're doing pretty good. Fixed pitch synths. Now there's a field for thought. With digital pianos and keyboards everywhere, what does that do for our sense of intonation? Digitals are not the same as acoustics, but they've improved to the point they are better than entry level acoustics. They mimic the same non-equal temperament stretch of a piano. They stay near 440 regardless of weather. In certain situations they sound really out of tune to my ears. I may have mentioned working on a piece for church full of minor chords, and becoming very dissatisfied with the digital piano though it sounded good on major chords. But I tried a grand and four upright acoustics, and none of them were in tune enough to be able to tell the difference between major and minor tunings. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide@adios.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:42 AM To: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW; 'Jeff Adams'; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] intonation > From: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW > > Do you really think that happens? > > That a player becomes so good at playing equal temperament that he can't > play with a real world group? No, Tim, but I do agree that no musician should be slave to a tuning device. A tuning device has only 12 pitches. The real world of music has hundreds (thousands?). There are far too many influences in music to which you have to adapt your pitch, such as key, harmonic progression and the position of your note in the current chord or scale. You know when you are in tune when you feel comfortable with everything that is going on around you. No fixed pitch electronic device is going to help with that. Ears are the best tuning device the musician can possess. You find it easier to play when you and everyone else around you are listening to the music they are playing. Have you ever heard a fixed pitch synth that sounds more wonderful than a live orchestra? A. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot To: Trombone-L List Message-ID: <353815.7372.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Doug is a trombone player first, and a particularly fine one - this mouthpiece business is a side thing for him. He has been very busy with touring lately. I think the Artie Shaw band is on the road right now for about 7 weeks. I'd suggest you try him again. At some point soon he'll get back to you or you'll simply reach him. Gabe ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Carmichael To: David W. Buckley ; John Jensen ; emrose79 ; Trombone-L List Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:55:19 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot Yeah, but common courtesy says he ought to respond somehow. Isn't he in a "please the customer" business? > [Original Message] > From: David W. Buckley > To: John Jensen ; emrose79 ; Trombone-L List > Date: 3/12/2007 8:34:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > My experience with Doug is that you have to wait a long time for delivery > but it is worth it. He makes great mouthpieces and the flexibility they give > you is terrific. > > Just be patient. > > Dave Buckley. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Jensen" > To: "emrose79" ; "'Trombone-L List'" > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > > > Doug is fine. I worked with him last Wednesday. He is really busy.....his > > mouthpieces are great. > > John Jensen > > On the web: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ > > johnjensen@pxrec.com > > jljbone@verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "emrose79" > > To: "'Trombone-L List'" > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:16 PM > > Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot > > > > > >>I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and emailed, > >> but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) > >> Ed > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 > > 8:41 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:33:30 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliot To: "emrose79" , "'Trombone-L List'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sadly all too typical of Doug. He badly needs a business partner for the mouthpiece trade. He didn't respond to me over a 12 month period. I gave up trying eventually. Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra North Herts Big Band ----- Original Message ----- >I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and emailed, > but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) > Ed ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0500 From: Jeff Adams Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] intonation To: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <494E0C11-303D-44E5-A220-401519A66DD4@cablespeed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Mar 13, 2007, at 1:43 AM, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW wrote: > Do you really think that happens? > > That a player becomes so good at playing equal temperament that he > can't > play with a real world group? Yes, I have performed with individuals who had this issue. Great players who get around their horn incredibly well, improvise well, etc. etc. but when it comes to ensemble intonation, they struggle. Actually I left out one possibility--many may have what we call "perfect pitch" and are playing in tune with themselves first and foremost--not the ensemble. Jeff Adams www.SlideAdams.com A Kanstul Artist/Clinician www.Kanstul.com ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:30:42 -0400 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Elliott To: Trombone-L List Message-ID: <22AA2288-14BF-4483-8B82-1C05E636DD7C@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:16 PM, emrose79 wrote: > I placed an order with Doug about 2 months ago. I've called and > emailed, > but have heard nothing. Is he touring? ( hopefully he is not sick ) > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l Doug's been on the road, plus doing Smithsonian Jazz. He's also doing his own home renovation. I don't think he has a laptop, but he does check in on the Trombone Forum when he's near a computer. (He's a moderator there...) He's there right now; I'd bet he's home... Walter Barrett "If it please your neighbor to break the sacred calm of night with the snorting of an unholy trombone, it is your duty to put up with his wretched music and your privilege to pity him for the unhappy instinct that moves him to delight in such discordant sounds." -Mark Twain Alto, tenor, bass trombones Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba Yamaha Artist/Clinician http://www.walterbarrett.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 13 ******************************************