Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 5 Date: Monday, March 5, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 5 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Bob Rosengarden RIP (Bill Dinwiddie) 2. Re: Carry on instruments (John Hinchey) 3. Re: Bob Rosengarden RIP (Randy Fendrick) 4. Re: Trombone is cool because it is simple (Stan Brager) 5. Re: Trombone is cool because it is simple (Eric Edwards) 6. Re: Trombone is cool because it is simple (Stan Brager) 7. Wanted - 6-1/2AL small shank (Chris Waage) 8. Re: Trombone is cool because it is simple (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 9. OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/5/07 (Chris Waage) 10. "Convertible" trombones (Keith Marr) 11. Re: "Convertible" trombones (Jeff Albert) 12. Re: "Convertible" trombones (Gabriel Langfur) 13. Re: "Convertible" trombones (thetubameister@adelphia.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:13:06 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] Bob Rosengarden RIP To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <005001c75e88$c2431d50$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob was the superb drummer/leader of the Dick Cavett Show band from 1968 to 1972. In a message dated 2/28/2007 2:36:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, admin@jazzclubsarasota.com writes: drumer Bob Rosengarden passed away yesterday. He had been in failing health for several years. He will be missed. The above message was just received from the Jazz Club of Sarasota office. Bobby was a gentleman, great conversationalist, and contributed greatly to the Sarasota jazz scene while in our area, Bob Conrad, Anna Maria, FL Forwarded by Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:26:01 -0600 From: John Hinchey Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry on instruments To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, I think I've posted this before. I use this IQ smartpak case. http://www.portablebooths.com/smartpak/ I've got a small tenor Cronkite gig bag. I put a styrofoam cone in the bell of my conn 30H inside the gig bag, then wrap the gig back in bubble wrap. It fits snugly in there with my trombone stand, a plunger and plexi mic shield. It's shorter and lighter than the golf cases. I've never been charged with oversize or over weight. I just flew back this morning from a gig in New Orleans and no problems, no questions asked. The case light enough that it doesn't cause weight problems and it is only a few inches over on the combined length, height and depth for restrictions. It does seem to always get opened by TSA and inspected but it fits easily through their x-ray machines. This biggest problem with it so far is, people mistake it for a trash can back stage! I've always got to check for empty coke cans. So far so good for my travels, your milage my vary I do feel the pain of my good friend Billy Huber and his horn and flying problems. I know some guys like that cronkite 2 piece case for carry on when flying. Regards, John Hinchey Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:28:33 -0800 From: Randy Fendrick Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bob Rosengarden RIP To: Bill Dinwiddie Cc: trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed His obit is in the LA Times today. I liked the comments about his lead in's for various celeb's. A sex therapist, with "I Can't Get Started." Salvador Dali to "Hello Dolly" and Christine Jorgensen with "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby?" later, rf On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > Bob was the superb drummer/leader of the Dick Cavett Show band from > 1968 to > 1972. > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2007 2:36:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > admin@jazzclubsarasota.com writes: > drumer Bob Rosengarden passed away yesterday. He had been in > failing > health for several years. He will be missed. > The above message was just received from the Jazz Club of > Sarasota > office. Bobby was a gentleman, great conversationalist, and > contributed > greatly to the Sarasota jazz scene while in our area, Bob Conrad, Anna > Maria, FL > > > > > > > > Forwarded by Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > Randy Fendrick Southside Chicago Seven Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:46:02 -0800 From: "Stan Brager" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple To: "Chris Tune" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <001401c75e8d$62499e60$6501a8c0@jazzman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris; I truly sympathize with you. When I was growing up, if something broke or needed some repairs, you took the item to a craftsman who either told you that if was broken beyond repair or fixed what was wrong - I can't remember taking anything back because it wasn't repaired correctly. Today, that concept of the craftsman has been largely lost and forgotten, service technicians are poorly trained and paid, and companies are trying to accomplish service on the cheap. To compound the problem even more, many technicians who understand the technical aspect of the products they service don't understand their products from the non-technical aspect of their customers. I miss the craftsmen and women of earlier days. Stan Stan Brager ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Tune" To: "Stan Brager" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > We don't know how lucky we are with our musical instrument purchases. > Generally we know if something is included or missing from our "kit". > > I just got through a NIGHTMARE having gotten a port replicator (model > xb2000) for my HP laptop. . . .the $150 port rep came without an adaptor to > match my model of laptop. . .. and that was just the BEGINNING of the hell I > had to face. . . .you see the HP website and literature makes it sound like > you can attach a model zv5000 laptop to this port replicator ("NO!" . . .of > course not. . .that would be too easy). But the reality is that you need an > adaptor. . . > > I spent a fourty five minute pleasant session with a guy from the area > somewhere not far from India (yes, you can judge these things by the sound > of people's voices). Nice guy. . .just didn't speak english (or American > English for the academics) quite well enough to be doing customer service > for a technical company. > > After almost ordering an $85 power supply order. . . .which, when he was > nice enough to say "AC adapter" . . .I then cancelled, cancelled, cancelled. > > Imagine if you bought a trombone and you only found out after you got the > order sent to you that no MOUTHPIECE was included and that you needed to > order one from the online "PARTS STORE". > > We don't do that in our world. In our world, we almost invariably are able > to simply disclose what is included and what is not included. That brings > us to why the Trombone is one of the coolest musical instruments in the > world -- it is SIMPLE. > > Simple doesn't make life easy, or make mastery easy, in fact it can make > mastery very hard. But it makes dealing with the details, the maintenance > the stucture much easier. We simpy need to be sure the tubes are not > dented, and that they are parallel. We need to periodically clean our axe. > We need to practice. Basic stuff. > > LESSON > > Always keep things simple [repeat - the simpler way is the better -- it's > the way the Internet was invented i.e. IP just works on getting packets to > the next point in the network] > > Always disclose everything totally, clearly and honestly. [if I knew > another part was needed, I'd probably just order it. . .it's the awkwardness > of getting a runaround that is hateful] Sometimes it seems like disclosure > is a burden, but in the end, it's the best policy. > > The things that keep businesses from growing beyond a certain size often are > hundreds and thousands of tiny ommissions, oversights and miscommunications. > > Very large organizations are infinitely more bureaucratic than small > organizations and this causes them to be massively more DISFUNCTIONAL in > tiny ways that make working with them much more frustrating, and much less > efficient. . . .this breeds a class of "experts" who know the "in's and > outs" (e.g. your tax preparer) > > Anyway, I hope everybody is having a good weekend. I'm sitting here trying > to calm down. > > Chris > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:13:14 +0000 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple To: "Stan Brager" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Stan & Chris & everyone, Regarding craftsmen & women. There are still a few of us around that really care about and truly love what we do. Thanks Eric >-----Original Message----- >From: Stan Brager [mailto:sbrager@socal.rr.com] >Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 12:46 PM >To: 'Chris Tune', 'Trombone-L' >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > >Chris; > >I truly sympathize with you. When I was growing up, if something broke or >needed some repairs, you took the item to a craftsman who either told you >that if was broken beyond repair or fixed what was wrong - I can't remember >taking anything back because it wasn't repaired correctly. > >Today, that concept of the craftsman has been largely lost and forgotten, >service technicians are poorly trained and paid, and companies are trying to >accomplish service on the cheap. To compound the problem even more, many >technicians who understand the technical aspect of the products they service >don't understand their products from the non-technical aspect of their >customers. > >I miss the craftsmen and women of earlier days. > >Stan >Stan Brager >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Tune" >To: "Stan Brager" ; "Trombone-L" > >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:46 PM >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > > >> We don't know how lucky we are with our musical instrument purchases. >> Generally we know if something is included or missing from our "kit". >> >> I just got through a NIGHTMARE having gotten a port replicator (model >> xb2000) for my HP laptop. . . .the $150 port rep came without an adaptor >to >> match my model of laptop. . .. and that was just the BEGINNING of the hell >I >> had to face. . . .you see the HP website and literature makes it sound >like >> you can attach a model zv5000 laptop to this port replicator ("NO!" . . >.of >> course not. . .that would be too easy). But the reality is that you need >an >> adaptor. . . >> >> I spent a fourty five minute pleasant session with a guy from the area >> somewhere not far from India (yes, you can judge these things by the sound >> of people's voices). Nice guy. . .just didn't speak english (or American >> English for the academics) quite well enough to be doing customer service >> for a technical company. >> >> After almost ordering an $85 power supply order. . . .which, when he was >> nice enough to say "AC adapter" . . .I then cancelled, cancelled, >cancelled. >> >> Imagine if you bought a trombone and you only found out after you got the >> order sent to you that no MOUTHPIECE was included and that you needed to >> order one from the online "PARTS STORE". >> >> We don't do that in our world. In our world, we almost invariably are >able >> to simply disclose what is included and what is not included. That brings >> us to why the Trombone is one of the coolest musical instruments in the >> world -- it is SIMPLE. >> >> Simple doesn't make life easy, or make mastery easy, in fact it can make >> mastery very hard. But it makes dealing with the details, the maintenance >> the stucture much easier. We simpy need to be sure the tubes are not >> dented, and that they are parallel. We need to periodically clean our >axe. >> We need to practice. Basic stuff. >> >> LESSON >> >> Always keep things simple [repeat - the simpler way is the better -- it's >> the way the Internet was invented i.e. IP just works on getting packets >to >> the next point in the network] >> >> Always disclose everything totally, clearly and honestly. [if I knew >> another part was needed, I'd probably just order it. . .it's the >awkwardness >> of getting a runaround that is hateful] Sometimes it seems like disclosure >> is a burden, but in the end, it's the best policy. >> >> The things that keep businesses from growing beyond a certain size often >are >> hundreds and thousands of tiny ommissions, oversights and >miscommunications. >> >> Very large organizations are infinitely more bureaucratic than small >> organizations and this causes them to be massively more DISFUNCTIONAL in >> tiny ways that make working with them much more frustrating, and much less >> efficient. . . .this breeds a class of "experts" who know the "in's and >> outs" (e.g. your tax preparer) >> >> Anyway, I hope everybody is having a good weekend. I'm sitting here >trying >> to calm down. >> >> Chris >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:43:26 -0800 From: "Stan Brager" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple To: "Eric Edwards" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <000801c75e95$630e2d40$6501a8c0@jazzman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Eric; I didn't mean to besmirch the reputation of instrument repair people - all that I've come across in my brief musical life have had the dedication, concern and training which I long for in other fields. Stan Stan Brager ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Edwards To: Stan Brager ; Trombone-L Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple Stan & Chris & everyone, Regarding craftsmen & women. There are still a few of us around that really care about and truly love what we do. Thanks Eric >-----Original Message----- >From: Stan Brager [mailto:sbrager@socal.rr.com] >Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 12:46 PM >To: 'Chris Tune', 'Trombone-L' >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > >Chris; > >I truly sympathize with you. When I was growing up, if something broke or >needed some repairs, you took the item to a craftsman who either told you >that if was broken beyond repair or fixed what was wrong - I can't remember >taking anything back because it wasn't repaired correctly. > >Today, that concept of the craftsman has been largely lost and forgotten, >service technicians are poorly trained and paid, and companies are trying to >accomplish service on the cheap. To compound the problem even more, many >technicians who understand the technical aspect of the products they service >don't understand their products from the non-technical aspect of their >customers. > >I miss the craftsmen and women of earlier days. > >Stan >Stan Brager >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Tune" >To: "Stan Brager" ; "Trombone-L" > >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:46 PM >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > > >> We don't know how lucky we are with our musical instrument purchases. >> Generally we know if something is included or missing from our "kit". >> >> I just got through a NIGHTMARE having gotten a port replicator (model >> xb2000) for my HP laptop. . . .the $150 port rep came without an adaptor >to >> match my model of laptop. . .. and that was just the BEGINNING of the hell >I >> had to face. . . .you see the HP website and literature makes it sound >like >> you can attach a model zv5000 laptop to this port replicator ("NO!" . . >.of >> course not. . .that would be too easy). But the reality is that you need >an >> adaptor. . . >> >> I spent a fourty five minute pleasant session with a guy from the area >> somewhere not far from India (yes, you can judge these things by the sound >> of people's voices). Nice guy. . .just didn't speak english (or American >> English for the academics) quite well enough to be doing customer service >> for a technical company. >> >> After almost ordering an $85 power supply order. . . .which, when he was >> nice enough to say "AC adapter" . . .I then cancelled, cancelled, >cancelled. >> >> Imagine if you bought a trombone and you only found out after you got the >> order sent to you that no MOUTHPIECE was included and that you needed to >> order one from the online "PARTS STORE". >> >> We don't do that in our world. In our world, we almost invariably are >able >> to simply disclose what is included and what is not included. That brings >> us to why the Trombone is one of the coolest musical instruments in the >> world -- it is SIMPLE. >> >> Simple doesn't make life easy, or make mastery easy, in fact it can make >> mastery very hard. But it makes dealing with the details, the maintenance >> the stucture much easier. We simpy need to be sure the tubes are not >> dented, and that they are parallel. We need to periodically clean our >axe. >> We need to practice. Basic stuff. >> >> LESSON >> >> Always keep things simple [repeat - the simpler way is the better -- it's >> the way the Internet was invented i.e. IP just works on getting packets >to >> the next point in the network] >> >> Always disclose everything totally, clearly and honestly. [if I knew >> another part was needed, I'd probably just order it. . .it's the >awkwardness >> of getting a runaround that is hateful] Sometimes it seems like disclosure >> is a burden, but in the end, it's the best policy. >> >> The things that keep businesses from growing beyond a certain size often >are >> hundreds and thousands of tiny ommissions, oversights and >miscommunications. >> >> Very large organizations are infinitely more bureaucratic than small >> organizations and this causes them to be massively more DISFUNCTIONAL in >> tiny ways that make working with them much more frustrating, and much less >> efficient. . . .this breeds a class of "experts" who know the "in's and >> outs" (e.g. your tax preparer) >> >> Anyway, I hope everybody is having a good weekend. I'm sitting here >trying >> to calm down. >> >> Chris >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:28:30 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] Wanted - 6-1/2AL small shank To: Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I'm looking for a 6-1/2AL small shank mouthpiece - not picky on the brand, just want solid plating and a good shank. Chris -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist chris.waage@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:25:55 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple To: Eric Edwards Cc: Trombone-L , Stan Brager Message-ID: <30787496.1173065155480.JavaMail.root@web35> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Amen; and we work to be better craftsmen every day... J.c.S. ---- Eric Edwards wrote: > Stan & Chris & everyone, > Regarding craftsmen & women. > There are still a few of us around that really care about and truly love what we do. > > Thanks > Eric > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Stan Brager [mailto:sbrager@socal.rr.com] > >Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 12:46 PM > >To: 'Chris Tune', 'Trombone-L' > >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > > > >Chris; > > > >I truly sympathize with you. When I was growing up, if something broke or > >needed some repairs, you took the item to a craftsman who either told you > >that if was broken beyond repair or fixed what was wrong - I can't remember > >taking anything back because it wasn't repaired correctly. > > > >Today, that concept of the craftsman has been largely lost and forgotten, > >service technicians are poorly trained and paid, and companies are trying to > >accomplish service on the cheap. To compound the problem even more, many > >technicians who understand the technical aspect of the products they service > >don't understand their products from the non-technical aspect of their > >customers. > > > >I miss the craftsmen and women of earlier days. > > > >Stan > >Stan Brager > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Tune" > >To: "Stan Brager" ; "Trombone-L" > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:46 PM > >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone is cool because it is simple > > > > > >> We don't know how lucky we are with our musical instrument purchases. > >> Generally we know if something is included or missing from our "kit". > >> > >> I just got through a NIGHTMARE having gotten a port replicator (model > >> xb2000) for my HP laptop. . . .the $150 port rep came without an adaptor > >to > >> match my model of laptop. . .. and that was just the BEGINNING of the hell > >I > >> had to face. . . .you see the HP website and literature makes it sound > >like > >> you can attach a model zv5000 laptop to this port replicator ("NO!" . . > >.of > >> course not. . .that would be too easy). But the reality is that you need > >an > >> adaptor. . . > >> > >> I spent a fourty five minute pleasant session with a guy from the area > >> somewhere not far from India (yes, you can judge these things by the sound > >> of people's voices). Nice guy. . .just didn't speak english (or American > >> English for the academics) quite well enough to be doing customer service > >> for a technical company. > >> > >> After almost ordering an $85 power supply order. . . .which, when he was > >> nice enough to say "AC adapter" . . .I then cancelled, cancelled, > >cancelled. > >> > >> Imagine if you bought a trombone and you only found out after you got the > >> order sent to you that no MOUTHPIECE was included and that you needed to > >> order one from the online "PARTS STORE". > >> > >> We don't do that in our world. In our world, we almost invariably are > >able > >> to simply disclose what is included and what is not included. That brings > >> us to why the Trombone is one of the coolest musical instruments in the > >> world -- it is SIMPLE. > >> > >> Simple doesn't make life easy, or make mastery easy, in fact it can make > >> mastery very hard. But it makes dealing with the details, the maintenance > >> the stucture much easier. We simpy need to be sure the tubes are not > >> dented, and that they are parallel. We need to periodically clean our > >axe. > >> We need to practice. Basic stuff. > >> > >> LESSON > >> > >> Always keep things simple [repeat - the simpler way is the better -- it's > >> the way the Internet was invented i.e. IP just works on getting packets > >to > >> the next point in the network] > >> > >> Always disclose everything totally, clearly and honestly. [if I knew > >> another part was needed, I'd probably just order it. . .it's the > >awkwardness > >> of getting a runaround that is hateful] Sometimes it seems like disclosure > >> is a burden, but in the end, it's the best policy. > >> > >> The things that keep businesses from growing beyond a certain size often > >are > >> hundreds and thousands of tiny ommissions, oversights and > >miscommunications. > >> > >> Very large organizations are infinitely more bureaucratic than small > >> organizations and this causes them to be massively more DISFUNCTIONAL in > >> tiny ways that make working with them much more frustrating, and much less > >> efficient. . . .this breeds a class of "experts" who know the "in's and > >> outs" (e.g. your tax preparer) > >> > >> Anyway, I hope everybody is having a good weekend. I'm sitting here > >trying > >> to calm down. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Trombone-l mailing list > >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:30:59 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/5/07 To: Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:29 AM CDT on March 5, 2007. Scam/Fraud Alert: Please be cautious of offers by individuals offering to send you a cashier's check or money order for more than the asking price of your item, and then have you send the balance back to them. The primary warning signs are e-mails sent with very poor grammar asking if you will consider shipping the item overseas. Banks will cash these counterfeit checks, but then hold you responsible for the funds when the check fails to clear. If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:28:08 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: [Trombone-l] "Convertible" trombones To: Message-ID: <003901c75f32$7f175eb0$1b01a8c0@new70e71fdbcec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm interested to know how many models there were that enabled the player to convert from straight tenor horn to one with trigger in the days before the inception of modular horns like Edwards, Rath and Shires. I have a Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign 547 from the 1970s which uses the old German idea of housing the trigger in an alternative tuning slide. Speaking of old German trombones I have an old Wolfram which converts in the same way. I know that there must be many old German examples of this idea going back to probably the late 1890s or even earlier, but what I'm interested in is American style trombones that had that facility. The only one I know about apart from my old 547 is the Conn 89H which had an F trigger in a replacement gooseneck I think. I'd be interested to know if there were any more and if so what system they used to facilitate the conversion. Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:34:06 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "Convertible" trombones To: "Keith Marr" Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bach made convertible 42s and 36s going back at least to the 80's. It was a system similar to the 89H. Jeff On 3/5/07, Keith Marr wrote: > > I'm interested to know how many models there were that enabled the player > to convert from straight tenor horn to one with trigger in the days before > the inception of modular horns like Edwards, Rath and Shires. > > I have a Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign 547 from the 1970s which uses the old > German idea of housing the trigger in an alternative tuning slide. Speaking > of old German trombones I have an old Wolfram which converts in the same > way. > > I know that there must be many old German examples of this idea going back > to probably the late 1890s or even earlier, but what I'm interested in is > American style trombones that had that facility. > > The only one I know about apart from my old 547 is the Conn 89H which had > an F trigger in a replacement gooseneck I think. > > I'd be interested to know if there were any more and if so what system > they used to facilitate the conversion. > > Cheers! > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 06:46:35 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "Convertible" trombones To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <659888.50712.qm@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii They're called 42C/36C, and with the open wrap 42CO/36CO Gabe ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Albert To: Keith Marr Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 9:34:06 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "Convertible" trombones Bach made convertible 42s and 36s going back at least to the 80's. It was a system similar to the 89H. Jeff On 3/5/07, Keith Marr wrote: > > I'm interested to know how many models there were that enabled the player > to convert from straight tenor horn to one with trigger in the days before > the inception of modular horns like Edwards, Rath and Shires. > > I have a Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign 547 from the 1970s which uses the old > German idea of housing the trigger in an alternative tuning slide. Speaking > of old German trombones I have an old Wolfram which converts in the same > way. > > I know that there must be many old German examples of this idea going back > to probably the late 1890s or even earlier, but what I'm interested in is > American style trombones that had that facility. > > The only one I know about apart from my old 547 is the Conn 89H which had > an F trigger in a replacement gooseneck I think. > > I'd be interested to know if there were any more and if so what system > they used to facilitate the conversion. > > Cheers! > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 6:54:06 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "Convertible" trombones To: Keith Marr Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <15906177.1173106446856.JavaMail.root@web18> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In addition to the Bach and the Conn, there was also a Benge 190C. J.c.S. ---- Keith Marr wrote: > I'm interested to know how many models there were that enabled the player to convert from straight tenor horn to one with trigger in the days before the inception of modular horns like Edwards, Rath and Shires. > > I have a Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign 547 from the 1970s which uses the old German idea of housing the trigger in an alternative tuning slide. Speaking of old German trombones I have an old Wolfram which converts in the same way. > > I know that there must be many old German examples of this idea going back to probably the late 1890s or even earlier, but what I'm interested in is American style trombones that had that facility. > > The only one I know about apart from my old 547 is the Conn 89H which had an F trigger in a replacement gooseneck I think. > > I'd be interested to know if there were any more and if so what system they used to facilitate the conversion. > > Cheers! > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 5 *****************************************