Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20 Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Pre- band exploratory class (Dan Traugh) 2. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (denton) 3. FlugalBone Gig Bag -- Where's Dolly (Craig Parmerlee) 4. Re: FlugalBone Gig Bag -- Where's Dolly (Raymond Horton) 5. FW: Where can I find this. (Jim Hale) 6. Re: Pre- band exploratory class (Jeff Albert) 7. Re: Pre- band exploratory class (Wayne Dyess) 8. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 9. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (Wayne Dyess) 10. Info on Justin Clark (retiredprof55@comcast.net) 11. Re: FlugalBone Gig Bag -- Where's Dolly (Daniel Pliskin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:11:02 -0500 From: "Dan Traugh" Subject: [Trombone-l] Pre- band exploratory class To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually this is not such a good idea in a pre-band class as well. You would not have many students starting on brass instruments or flute. Most kids this young have great difficult making a decent sound on brass and many take weeks to get a sound on flute - much less figure out the difficult fingering patterns on the flute when they can't actually SEE their fingers. Most students would opt for clarinet and drums I would bet. trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 1:00 PM -0500 wrote: >I agree that it is a dumb idea as a replacement for 6th grade band or >orchestra or choir, but I think it is a great idea for the year before the >kids would usually start band, orchestra, chorus or whatever. > >A broad exploratory arts survey for 4th or 5th graders would be marvelous, >if it didn't replace something else. A real hands on play the piano, use >the paintbrush, sing in the choir exploration would be great, and would >probably do wonders to help fill arts programs in the next level. It >stinks >as a substitue for full fledged band/orchestra/chorus. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:17:55 -0600 From: denton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: Bob and Deborah Shaw , Trombone-L@samford.edu Message-ID: <45DB6583.3040509@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Having confirmed that it's a crap idea (I join the concensus) ... anybody creative solutions? Since the whole first year of "instrumental technique" will be a wash, I guess just invest as much time as possible in the musical training bit. If I was teaching there, the first thing I would consider is running the whole year with a solfege or kodaly (or Suzuki?) base. I sure wish many of my high school kids could sing -something- off the page, pitch or rhythm! A program with all those instruments wouldn't normally want them sitting around unused for much of the year ... Assuming that all the students aren't going to buy a violin and a trombone, I would also be concerned about the massive check-in/check-out of instruments every 30 days, and the diminishing number of instruments being returned (#$@). I'll be interested to hear whether or not this pilot 'succeeds' (survives?). -- DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com +1.512.680.7395 DMA in Progress: Performance, Trombone The University of Texas at Austin ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:27:27 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: [Trombone-l] FlugalBone Gig Bag -- Where's Dolly To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45DB83DF.3000709@acticalc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is Dolly still in Indianapolis? I guess I should know, being in Indianapolis. Check out ebay item 160076672852 (completed sales). This is an Edwards case I sold last week for a friend. The trick is that he had Dolly make a custom fitted cover for the hard case. That protected the case and gave him a large accessory pouch. This was a really great idea because with the shoulder strap, it was almost as manageable as a lighter gig bag, yet provides all the protection of a hard case. Raymond Horton wrote: > Dolly Wiseman ("Dollybags") can make anything custom for a reasonable > price. > > > RBH > > > Mr Douglas Autrey wrote: > >> I've looked high and low for a gig bag for my >> flugalbone and can not find one. Does anyone know >> where I can locate one? >> Douglas Autrey >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:54:30 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FlugalBone Gig Bag -- Where's Dolly To: Craig Parmerlee Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45DB9846.6000407@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dolly moved to New Jersey about three years ago. Her two sons (trumpet, sax) wanted to be near NY to play, she figured she could get bag work (that sounds funny) up there. her website is still "indianamusic" but has her location as Cranford, NJ: http://www.indianamusic.com/db/dollybag.htm RBH Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Is Dolly still in Indianapolis? I guess I should know, being in > Indianapolis. > > Check out ebay item 160076672852 (completed sales). This is an Edwards > case I sold last week for a friend. The trick is that he had Dolly make > a custom fitted cover for the hard case. That protected the case and > gave him a large accessory pouch. > > This was a really great idea because with the shoulder strap, it was > almost as manageable as a lighter gig bag, yet provides all the > protection of a hard case. > > > > > Raymond Horton wrote: > >> Dolly Wiseman ("Dollybags") can make anything custom for a reasonable >> price. >> >> >> RBH >> >> >> Mr Douglas Autrey wrote: >> >> >>> I've looked high and low for a gig bag for my >>> flugalbone and can not find one. Does anyone know >>> where I can locate one? >>> Douglas Autrey >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:50:23 -0600 From: "Jim Hale" Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Where can I find this. To: "Mailing List - Trombone L" Message-ID: <200702210248.l1L2mWSQ026902@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My cousin sent me this and I'm hoping that someone may have heard this piece. Thanks! :) Jim Hale http://www.themiditrombone.com -----Original Message----- Hey how is everything down there. We are ok. I have a question. Austin is doing a solo the song is Elegy by John Tyndall. Have you ever heard of it and if so where can I find the recording. I can't find anything on John Tyndal or the correct song. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!! Brian ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:42:12 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Pre- band exploratory class To: "Dan Traugh" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2/20/07, Dan Traugh wrote: > > > > Most students would opt for clarinet and drums I would bet. Isn't that what happens in beginner band class now? Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:47:00 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Pre- band exploratory class To: Jeff Albert Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, Dan Traugh Message-ID: <4984F5EE-FA03-4EBF-9EA2-394A9E082C72@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Not around here. Flute and drums. Saxophone next. I do a fair amount of "Lassus Trombone" in the schools, and those schools where our brass quintet performs always see a marked spike in their beginning trombone numbers. Love it. And while some may say "Lassus" is playing down to the kids -- hey! It works! Anything with some smears and a little ham to play 'em will do the trick. I walk around the room playing to the kids and lovin' the attention. WD On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Jeff Albert wrote: >> >> Most students would opt for clarinet and drums I would bet. > > > > Isn't that what happens in beginner band class now? > > Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:54:53 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: Jeff Albert , Bill Dinwiddie Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think Jeff has hit the nail on the head - this is probably why it seems like a good idea to the administration. It does fit the middle school concept, and there are plenty of other subjects taught that way. Think of gym (physical education) for example. Sure, we have the occasional figure skater or gymnast who specializes in one event from age 3, but the majority are better served with a broad exposure. My experience based on 15 years of working in the world's largest bureaucracy is that you can hardly ever fight changes like this. But you can nearly always compromise and get part of what you want and part of what they want. You need some program continuity to build both a band and individual students (only 0.1% of whom will ever touch an instrument after high school). They need to show a multicultural enrichment program with a variety of experiences. To do this well, you'll probably need some more staff, bigger budget, and eventually you'll end up head of the department. Don't see obstacle, see opportunity. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeffalbert.smb@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:30 AM To: Bill Dinwiddie Cc: List Trombone Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed On 2/19/07, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > > Bob & Deborah, > > So sorry that you and your students are being subjected to this > "exploratory" experience. Certainly one of the dumbest ideas I have ever > heard of. I agree that it is a dumb idea as a replacement for 6th grade band or orchestra or choir, but I think it is a great idea for the year before the kids would usually start band, orchestra, chorus or whatever. A broad exploratory arts survey for 4th or 5th graders would be marvelous, if it didn't replace something else. A real hands on play the piano, use the paintbrush, sing in the choir exploration would be great, and would probably do wonders to help fill arts programs in the next level. It stinks as a substitue for full fledged band/orchestra/chorus. Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:13:16 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Cc: Bone List Message-ID: <2A74CE40-A032-4B7E-A6B2-6DB79BF2FCCC@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 21, 2007, at 12:54 AM, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW wrote: > > Don't see obstacle, see opportunity. ======== Good Tim. My glass is half empty as we speak. mmmmm.... Make that half full. :-) Wayne ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:27:56 -0500 From: retiredprof55@comcast.net Subject: [Trombone-l] Info on Justin Clark To: TROMBONE-L@SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2725E25D-523F-41A4-8749-4A1B162D61D2@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed If anyone has current contact information for bass trombonist, Justin Clark, please email me personally. Thank you. Sy Brandon, composer retiredprof55@comcast.net Website http://cooppress.hostrack.net Book, A Composer?s Guide To Understanding Music with Activities for Listeners, Interpreters and Composers ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:17:30 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FlugalBone Gig Bag -- Where's Dolly Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Dolly moved to New Jersey about three years ago. Her two sons (trumpet, >sax) wanted to be near NY to play, she figured she could get bag work >(that sounds funny) up there. ãBag workä sounds funny? What about naming her two sons ã(trumpet" and "sax)ä? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as fast as 1 year http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20 ******************************************