Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 19 Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 19 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New trombone trios (John Jay Hilfiger) 2. Re: FlugalBone Gig Bag (Raymond Horton) 3. Rachmaninoff's Hands (Bill Dinwiddie) 4. Rachmaninoff's hands (Bill Dinwiddie) 5. Band Directors-Help needed (Bob and Deborah Shaw) 6. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (Wayne Dyess) 7. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (Charles De Paolo) 8. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (Bill Dinwiddie) 9. Re: C-M: Fillmore Trombone Smears (Raymond Horton) 10. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (Jeff Albert) 11. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 12. Re: Band Directors-Help needed (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 13. Re: C-M: Fillmore Trombone Smears (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 14. Off topic for a sec. (thetubameister@adelphia.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:42:47 -0500 From: John Jay Hilfiger Subject: [Trombone-l] New trombone trios To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed With Easter coming up soon, some readers of this list may be interested in my "Five Easter Trios" for trombones (also another version for brass trio - trumpet, horn, trombone) recently published by Brassworks 4 Publishing http://www.brassworks4.com/ Brassworks 4 also has some of my other works for trombone. You can download PDF samples of the score for free before you decide to buy. Another set of trombone trios, "Four Hymn Trios," was recently published by Wehr's Music House http://www.wehrs-music-house.com John Jay Hilfiger http://users.penn.com/~jhilf/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:23 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FlugalBone Gig Bag To: Mr Douglas Autrey Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45DA091B.7090009@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dolly Wiseman ("Dollybags") can make anything custom for a reasonable price. RBH Mr Douglas Autrey wrote: > I've looked high and low for a gig bag for my > flugalbone and can not find one. Does anyone know > where I can locate one? > Douglas Autrey > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:46:00 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] Rachmaninoff's Hands To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <005b01c75466$f6d12ed0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Under the category: Problems that trombone players don't have (yet): Speakers on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:48:12 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] Rachmaninoff's hands To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <005f01c75467$45e552d0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Under the category: Problems that trombone players don't have (yet). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:33:01 -0600 From: "Bob and Deborah Shaw" Subject: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: "Trombone-L" , "Klarinet List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Our school district is currently going through some major changes (not good I am afraid!) and replacing 6th grade band, choir and orchestra with exploratory band, choir and orchestra. We will have 30 days of instruction to introduce all of the instruments in the subject that we teach, along with music theory, etc. Each teacher (band, choir, orchestra) will have the same class in a rotational exploratory wheel. Who out there has something similiar that we can use as a model? We need some good information as to what has been done, and what works? Has it worked, what was the outcome, etc. We have fought long and hard to keep our programs, but, it seems that our expertise is not being honored. The middle school concept is more important to our district than what is best for our music programs and what we think is best for our students. If you have participated in a program like this, please respond and tell me what your experience has been and what the outcome has been. Thanks, Deborah Shaw Band Director 901 N.13th St. Lingle Middle School Rogers, Arkansas 72756 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:47:39 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: Bob and Deborah Shaw Cc: Bone List Message-ID: <272F4D13-0608-411C-9EC3-E5F2AAC5F400@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I hate politics. Someone in the front office thought it would be good to give the children a choice. Great. This won't work. Embouchures need time to develop. Musical instruments can't be learned overnight. I think it's time to look for a new job! --Dr. Wayne Dyess Professor of Music (doctorate in curriculum & instruction) Lamar University Beaumont, Texas On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Bob and Deborah Shaw wrote: > Our school district is currently going through some major changes > (not good > I am afraid!) and replacing 6th grade band, choir and orchestra with > exploratory band, choir and orchestra. We will have 30 days of > instruction > to introduce all of the instruments in the subject that we teach, > along with > music theory, etc. Each teacher (band, choir, orchestra) will have > the same > class in a rotational exploratory wheel. > > Who out there has something similiar that we can use as a model? > We need > some good information as to what has been done, and what works? Has it > worked, what was the outcome, etc. > > We have fought long and hard to keep our programs, but, it seems > that our > expertise is not being honored. The middle school concept is more > important > to our district than what is best for our music programs and what > we think > is best for our students. > > If you have participated in a program like this, please respond and > tell me > what your experience has been and what the outcome has been. > > Thanks, > > Deborah Shaw > Band Director > 901 N.13th St. > Lingle Middle School > Rogers, Arkansas 72756 > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:19:52 -0500 From: "Charles De Paolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <03b001c7547c$75bdcf40$1e00a8c0@Road1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thank you Wayne. I was starting to wonder whether I was a cynic because I thought some presumptuous Administrator thought this would be a good idea. Always amazes me how Those Who Can't Teach wind up as Administrators. Actually, I'm not amazed. I'm saddened. No wonder things in the schools are so &%^$#ed up these days. --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Dyess To: Bob and Deborah Shaw Cc: Bone List Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed I hate politics. Someone in the front office thought it would be good to give the children a choice. Great. This won't work. Embouchures need time to develop. Musical instruments can't be learned overnight. I think it's time to look for a new job! --Dr. Wayne Dyess Professor of Music (doctorate in curriculum & instruction) Lamar University Beaumont, Texas On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Bob and Deborah Shaw wrote: > Our school district is currently going through some major changes > (not good > I am afraid!) and replacing 6th grade band, choir and orchestra with > exploratory band, choir and orchestra. We will have 30 days of > instruction > to introduce all of the instruments in the subject that we teach, > along with > music theory, etc. Each teacher (band, choir, orchestra) will have > the same > class in a rotational exploratory wheel. > > Who out there has something similiar that we can use as a model? > We need > some good information as to what has been done, and what works? Has it > worked, what was the outcome, etc. > > We have fought long and hard to keep our programs, but, it seems > that our > expertise is not being honored. The middle school concept is more > important > to our district than what is best for our music programs and what > we think > is best for our students. > > If you have participated in a program like this, please respond and > tell me > what your experience has been and what the outcome has been. > > Thanks, > > Deborah Shaw > Band Director > 901 N.13th St. > Lingle Middle School > Rogers, Arkansas 72756 > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:22:21 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: "Bob and Deborah Shaw" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <001b01c7547c$ce411c80$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob & Deborah, So sorry that you and your students are being subjected to this "exploratory" experience. Certainly one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard of. Would the originators of this idea expect the science or math teacher to "explore" their entire subject in 30 days. Of course, music is so simple, that 30 days should be plenty. Besides, kids will never use their study of a musical instrument in their "real" lives. No, they will be so busy calculating E=MC2, or writing formulas for all the chemical elements, that they will be way too busy to remember the discipline, precision, teamwork, and the love for true culture that they learned in band, orchestra or chorus. Hope you can move on to a more enlightened school system. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Deborah Shaw" To: "Trombone-L" ; "Klarinet List" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed > Our school district is currently going through some major changes (not > good > I am afraid!) and replacing 6th grade band, choir and orchestra with > exploratory band, choir and orchestra. We will have 30 days of > instruction > to introduce all of the instruments in the subject that we teach, along > with > music theory, etc. Each teacher (band, choir, orchestra) will have the > same > class in a rotational exploratory wheel. > > Who out there has something similiar that we can use as a model? We need > some good information as to what has been done, and what works? Has it > worked, what was the outcome, etc. > > We have fought long and hard to keep our programs, but, it seems that our > expertise is not being honored. The middle school concept is more > important > to our district than what is best for our music programs and what we think > is best for our students. > > If you have participated in a program like this, please respond and tell > me > what your experience has been and what the outcome has been. > > Thanks, > > Deborah Shaw > Band Director > 901 N.13th St. > Lingle Middle School > Rogers, Arkansas 72756 > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:37:09 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] C-M: Fillmore Trombone Smears To: Jason Smith Cc: bone list , John Howell Message-ID: <45DA34A5.5080005@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Scrhee---ccchhh (Sound of a can of worms being opened.) RBH Jason Smith wrote: > I have a book containing 15 of the trombone family arr > for solo and piano acc. I cannot speak as to wether > this book is out of print (I bought mine 14 years ago) > or as to whether they are in print with band acc. > > > --- John Howell wrote: > > >>> Jason Smith posted: >>> >>> The "Trombone Family" was composed and published >>> >> over >> >>> a period of 21 years; after the completion of the >>> >> last >> >>> "member," Fillmore published the set as "The >>> >> Trombone >> >>> Family - A collection of 15 Original and Humorous >>> Trombone Novelties." This is the lineup of all of >>> >> the >> >>> solos with Fillmore's subtitles: >>> >> Many thanks for the details, Jason. A couple of >> questions, and then >> a commentary (that will probably be longer than it >> deserves!). >> >> Question 1: Are all these smears actually available >> somewhere today? >> The ones down through "Bones Trombone" are now >> public domain in the >> U.S., while the others may or may not be in >> copyright, depending on >> whether (a) they originally claimed a valid >> copyright (and I can't >> imagine that they didn't), and (b) whether they were >> properly renewed >> in the 28th year of that copyright. (And of course >> any band director >> who can't deal with Db piccolo and Eb horn parts >> these days shouldn't >> be on the podium!!) >> >> Question 2: Are they all as delightful as the >> "Lassus" we are all so >> fondly familiar with? Should we be programming a >> new one every year >> for the next 14 years? >> >> Question 3 (OK, I lied!): Someone opined that >> "Lassus" was dialect >> for "(Mo)lasses." Is that actually true, or a >> guess? I have always >> assumed that it was dialect for "Lazarus," the kind >> of >> biblical/classical name that plantation owners would >> actually have >> hung on their slaves, at least the house slaves. >> >> [Long digression snipped by CM admin] >> >> John >> >> >> -- >> John & Susie Howell >> Virginia Tech Department of Music >> Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 >> Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 >> (mailto:John.Howell@vt.edu) >> http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:29:54 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2/19/07, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > > Bob & Deborah, > > So sorry that you and your students are being subjected to this > "exploratory" experience. Certainly one of the dumbest ideas I have ever > heard of. I agree that it is a dumb idea as a replacement for 6th grade band or orchestra or choir, but I think it is a great idea for the year before the kids would usually start band, orchestra, chorus or whatever. A broad exploratory arts survey for 4th or 5th graders would be marvelous, if it didn't replace something else. A real hands on play the piano, use the paintbrush, sing in the choir exploration would be great, and would probably do wonders to help fill arts programs in the next level. It stinks as a substitue for full fledged band/orchestra/chorus. Jeff -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:40:37 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: TexasTbone@gt.rr.com, theshaws10@cox.net Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" One of my family facing this kind of a problem, and approaching tenure, was dismissed. Century 21 Real Estate is her present occupation. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:48:36 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Band Directors-Help needed To: billdin@comcast.net, theshaws10@cox.net Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In making up a program for the Associate of Arts degree, recently I have added four courses to the program Harmony Theory Compositation Directing. These unlikely subjects for an Institute, should be present in the course work for High School, but as you are aware they are in line or have been already axed from the curriculum. I encountered this short changing when an Oxford Prof, explained to me many years ago, the lapses that ate into High School programs, leaving the student unready for college. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:04:01 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] C-M: Fillmore Trombone Smears To: Jason Smith , John Howell , bone list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh no, not again! At least this time it's not me who started it. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Smith [mailto:jbone72@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:42 PM To: John Howell; bone list Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] C-M: Fillmore Trombone Smears I have a book containing 15 of the trombone family arr for solo and piano acc. I cannot speak as to wether this book is out of print (I bought mine 14 years ago) or as to whether they are in print with band acc. --- John Howell wrote: > >Jason Smith posted: > > > >The "Trombone Family" was composed and published > over > >a period of 21 years; after the completion of the > last > >"member," Fillmore published the set as "The > Trombone > >Family - A collection of 15 Original and Humorous > >Trombone Novelties." This is the lineup of all of > the > >solos with Fillmore's subtitles: > > Many thanks for the details, Jason. A couple of > questions, and then > a commentary (that will probably be longer than it > deserves!). > > Question 1: Are all these smears actually available > somewhere today? > The ones down through "Bones Trombone" are now > public domain in the > U.S., while the others may or may not be in > copyright, depending on > whether (a) they originally claimed a valid > copyright (and I can't > imagine that they didn't), and (b) whether they were > properly renewed > in the 28th year of that copyright. (And of course > any band director > who can't deal with Db piccolo and Eb horn parts > these days shouldn't > be on the podium!!) > > Question 2: Are they all as delightful as the > "Lassus" we are all so > fondly familiar with? Should we be programming a > new one every year > for the next 14 years? > > Question 3 (OK, I lied!): Someone opined that > "Lassus" was dialect > for "(Mo)lasses." Is that actually true, or a > guess? I have always > assumed that it was dialect for "Lazarus," the kind > of > biblical/classical name that plantation owners would > actually have > hung on their slaves, at least the house slaves. > > [Long digression snipped by CM admin] > > John > > > -- > John & Susie Howell > Virginia Tech Department of Music > Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 > Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 > (mailto:John.Howell@vt.edu) > http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html > Jason Smith www.thebandroomtx.com www.concerttimeusa.com www.pershingparkbaptist.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 8:55:23 -0800 From: Subject: [Trombone-l] Off topic for a sec. To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8419302.1171990523824.JavaMail.root@web30> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To all you historic performance/Musicology buffs (or others): Anyone know if the Tuba part for Strauss' "Salome" is for Bass or Contrabass tuba? Merci! J.c.S. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 19 ******************************************