Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8 Date: Thursday, February 8, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Robert Isele (Jason Smith) 2. Trombones in the South (Dan Traugh) 3. Fwd: Re: Free-buzzing opinions (sabutin) 4. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (Stan Brager) 5. Re: New Trombone Inspirations (Tom Izzo) 6. You Tube (james meador) 7. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (Douglas Ward) 8. Re: You Tube (Randy Fendrick) 9. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (Jeff Albert) 10. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (Denton Thomas) 11. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (Andrew Glendening) 12. SE Florida Music Shops (Brian Boyes) 13. Re: New Trombone Inspirations (emrose79) 14. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (sabutin) 15. Re: Trombones in the South (Jim Hale) 16. Re: New Trombone Inspirations (Wayne Dyess) 17. Edwards owners: Some eBay items of interest (Craig Parmerlee) 18. Re: Free-buzzing opinions (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 19. Re: You Tube (Don Fitzsimons) 20. Re: You Tube (Don Fitzsimons) 21. Andy Martin Feb. 23 in Dallas (Eric & Candice Swanson) 22. Re: Andy Martin Feb. 23 in Dallas (richard.bartkus@cox.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Smith Subject: [Trombone-l] Robert Isele To: bone list Message-ID: <741433.69212.qm@web35009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I resently had a conversation with one of you fine fellas about Robert Isele and Washington D.C. but I cant remember who and I deleted emails. Could you please contact me off list Jason Jason Smith www.thebandroomtx.com www.concerttimeusa.com www.pershingparkbaptist.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:40:03 -0500 From: "Dan Traugh" Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombones in the South To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got a chance to conduct an honor band at the University of Alabama this past weekend and was very impressed with the quality of trombonists and euphonium players that they were able to pull in for 3 complete Concert groups. Ken Ozzello - director of bands does a great job at attracting large numbers of interested students. I am sure the teaching of Dan Dill and Demondrae Thurman are largely responsible as well. Kudos to the great low brass teaching going on down there. Is it this strong all over the Southern US? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:42:40 +0100 From: sabutin Subject: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Free-buzzing opinions To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I have been doing a lot of free buzzing over the last few months since Sam >Burtis posted his pictures of the evidence of free buzzing on his embouchure >and have found it to be very useful. I also have been looking at other >pictures of trombone players 'in action' and have been trying to use those >as a model for embouchure efficiency. It took about a month or so before I >began to see any lasting effects, but after doing 5-10 minutes of free >buzzing per day for several months, I have developed a much more efficient >embouchure and have found that my breathing is more effective as well. I >noticed this in quintet rehearsal a few weeks ago when I realized that I was >making phrases that were several bars longer than I would have been able to >last semester. > >That brings me to my question and a topic that I hope you will comment on >(especially Sam). While surfing on youtube the other day, I came across >this video clip of Arnold Jacobs. Not to dismiss any of his wisdom >regarding breathing, but this seems to be totally contradictory to my recent >experience both for myself and my students regarding free buzzing vs. >mouthpiece buzzing. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqTUwX0OVpM > >Comments? > >Josh Yes. I have a comment. As far as he goes, Mr. Jacobs is absolutely correct. The rim to a great degree defines the buzzing surface and that in turn defines which muscles are to be used and how much they have to work. Too much freebuzzing? Overworked muscles due to too much vibrating mass. Try to apply that musclebound system to a rim? It simply does not fit. BUT...by buzzing and repeatedly applying the rim (In any context. Rim alone, m'pce, or on the horn) TO that buzz in a constant back-and-forth manner (plus vice versa...rim to buzz) making sure that you are buzzing only in small increments of time and always relating that buzz to the rim, you are getting the best of both worlds. For me, freebuzzing is not really about building or even using muscle. It is merely a diagnostic procedure. It will show you how your musculature, your lips, teeth and jaw etc. most naturally buzz a given note or range. Then you must make a compromise INTO the rim. A negotiation between two ideals. Followed by further negotiations between ideals in different ranges. That is why I ALWAYS warn against over-buzzing and/or not constantly relating the buzz to the rim. What is natural to the soft machine is not, except in a VERY few cases (the "naturals" among us) necessarily able to be fit into a little round circle of metal. As young players we NON-naturals tend to let the metal tell us what to do and how to do it, quite often to our eternal detriment. But a series of compromises between the two? Timed in and managed well? Octaves of fun!!! Bet on it. I am. Later... S. > > >*************************************** >Joshua Hauser, Associate Professor of Trombone >Box 5045 >Department of Music and Art >Tennessee Technological University >Cookeville, TN 38505 >931/372-6086 >jhauser@tntech.edu >http://iweb.tntech.edu/jhauser >http://www.tntech.edu/brass/trombone >Trombones at Tech new CD Project!! >http://www.tntech.edu/publicaffairs/rel/2006/dec06/music.html > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:44:37 -0800 From: "Stan Brager" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <009201c74af0$77327370$6501a8c0@jazzman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" What is free buzzing? I think I missed that discussion. Thanks; Stan Stan Brager ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Joshua Hauser" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions > So Jacobs said not to free buzz, and Sam and others have championed > freebuzzing, and you (and me) and others have experienced some benefit from > it. > > Unlike arithmetic, embouchure pedagogy does not have only one truth. It is > possible for seemingly contradictory approaches to both yield success (and > failure). > > I think Jacobs was a little bit older school and they weren't fans of the > freebuzz. I imagine he was originally pretty cutting edge with the whole > cut away rim buzzing idea. Thought continues to develop. Even Sam proposes > free buzzing in limited amounts. > > I use free buzzing more as an embouchure check up than as an exercise. > That's not that far away from how Jacobs used the rim buzzing. I don't see > it as an earth shaking contradiction, as much as the gradual progression of > thought on the topic. > > Jeff > > On 2/7/07, Joshua Hauser wrote: > > > > I have been doing a lot of free buzzing over the last few months since Sam > > Burtis posted his pictures of the evidence of free buzzing on his > > embouchure > > and have found it to be very useful. I also have been looking at other > > pictures of trombone players ?in action? and have been trying to use those > > as a model for embouchure efficiency. It took about a month or so before > > I > > began to see any lasting effects, but after doing 5-10 minutes of free > > buzzing per day for several months, I have developed a much more efficient > > embouchure and have found that my breathing is more effective as well. I > > noticed this in quintet rehearsal a few weeks ago when I realized that I > > was > > making phrases that were several bars longer than I would have been able > > to > > last semester. > > > > That brings me to my question and a topic that I hope you will comment on > > (especially Sam). While surfing on youtube the other day, I came across > > this video clip of Arnold Jacobs. Not to dismiss any of his wisdom > > regarding breathing, but this seems to be totally contradictory to my > > recent > > experience both for myself and my students regarding free buzzing vs. > > mouthpiece buzzing. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqTUwX0OVpM > > > > Comments? > > > > Josh > > > > > > *************************************** > > Joshua Hauser, Associate Professor of Trombone > > Box 5045 > > Department of Music and Art > > Tennessee Technological University > > Cookeville, TN 38505 > > 931/372-6086 > > jhauser@tntech.edu > > http://iweb.tntech.edu/jhauser > > http://www.tntech.edu/brass/trombone > > Trombones at Tech new CD Project!! > > http://www.tntech.edu/publicaffairs/rel/2006/dec06/music.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > -- > www.jeffalbert.com > > www.scratchmybrain.com > > www.pepperenterprises.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Trombone Inspirations To: james meador , trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20070207194956.66371.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- james meador wrote: > Hey, do they have to be legends? I don't see why! Wasn't the question, "Inspirations"? When did it change to legends, or famous, or popularity contest winners? Tom Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:15:01 +0000 From: "james meador" Subject: [Trombone-l] You Tube To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear list, I am wondering how to go about downloading Youtube videos to my computer, or if that is even possible. I have found several trombone and low brass videos that I would like to have on my computer for both educational and inspirational purposes, but I can't figure out how to download them to my hard drive. Is that possible?? Thanks, James ====================== James N. Meador, Bass Trombone Orquesta Sinf—nica de Yucat‡n +52-999-221-5845 cell +52-999-195-1144 home jamesmeador@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:19:22 -0500 From: Douglas Ward Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <4F00A141-E606-4D37-BD92-B0D7B1F40609@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Joshua Hauser wrote: > I have been doing a lot of free buzzing over the last few months > since Sam > Burtis posted his pictures of the evidence of free buzzing on his > embouchure > and have found it to be very useful. I also have been looking at > other > pictures of trombone players ?in action? and have been trying to > use those > as a model for embouchure efficiency. It took about a month or so > before I > began to see any lasting effects, but after doing 5-10 minutes of free > buzzing per day for several months, I have developed a much more > efficient > embouchure and have found that my breathing is more effective as > well. I > noticed this in quintet rehearsal a few weeks ago when I realized > that I was > making phrases that were several bars longer than I would have been > able to > last semester. > > That brings me to my question and a topic that I hope you will > comment on > (especially Sam). While surfing on youtube the other day, I came > across > this video clip of Arnold Jacobs. Not to dismiss any of his wisdom > regarding breathing, but this seems to be totally contradictory to > my recent > experience both for myself and my students regarding free buzzing vs. > mouthpiece buzzing. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqTUwX0OVpM > > Comments? > > Josh > > Living near Chicago and having been around the Chicago crowd some, I know free buzzing is traditionally taboo, and using the rim cutout is still preferred. I've found free buzzing useful, but it's not as easy to do the right way as it is to pick up a mouthpiece. Perhaps Charlie Vernon has one of the most PC views which, paraphrased, is: I don't free buzz because I think it uses muscles that aren't used when playing, and can be harmful, but, my friend Bill Watrous free buzzes and can play a lot of amazing high licks I can't play. Alessi doesn't advocate it, either. Alain Trudel teaches it in his buzzing masterclasses. And, the list goes on. Obviously, it works well for some people, but not for everyone. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:32:40 -0800 From: Randy Fendrick Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] You Tube To: james meador Cc: trombone-L Message-ID: <20651f86b64958346511c0f3faf15df9@bak.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Go to Aug 2006 issue of Wired Magazine in an article entitled Watch YouTube on your Ipod. Explains what to do for both Mac and Windows. The Mac version works great can't comment on Windows later, rf On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:15 PM, james meador wrote: > Dear list, > > I am wondering how to go about downloading Youtube videos to my > computer, or if that is even possible. I have found several trombone > and low brass videos that I would like to have on my computer for both > educational and inspirational purposes, but I can't figure out how to > download them to my hard drive. Is that possible?? > > Thanks, > James > > ====================== > James N. Meador, Bass Trombone > Orquesta Sinf?nica de Yucat?n > +52-999-221-5845 cell > +52-999-195-1144 home > jamesmeador@hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Randy Fendrick, Southside Chicago Seven Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:18:16 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions To: "Douglas Ward" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If I had to make a generalization, I would guess that most symphony players, or people that can play their whole scene on one rim, would not advocate free buzzing, and most doublers (multi-rim) would. I could be wrong. Jeff On 2/7/07, Douglas Ward wrote: > > > On Feb 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Joshua Hauser wrote: > > > I have been doing a lot of free buzzing over the last few months > > since Sam > > Burtis posted his pictures of the evidence of free buzzing on his > > embouchure > > and have found it to be very useful. I also have been looking at > > other > > pictures of trombone players 'in action' and have been trying to > > use those > > as a model for embouchure efficiency. It took about a month or so > > before I > > began to see any lasting effects, but after doing 5-10 minutes of free > > buzzing per day for several months, I have developed a much more > > efficient > > embouchure and have found that my breathing is more effective as > > well. I > > noticed this in quintet rehearsal a few weeks ago when I realized > > that I was > > making phrases that were several bars longer than I would have been > > able to > > last semester. > > > > That brings me to my question and a topic that I hope you will > > comment on > > (especially Sam). While surfing on youtube the other day, I came > > across > > this video clip of Arnold Jacobs. Not to dismiss any of his wisdom > > regarding breathing, but this seems to be totally contradictory to > > my recent > > experience both for myself and my students regarding free buzzing vs. > > mouthpiece buzzing. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqTUwX0OVpM > > > > Comments? > > > > Josh > > > > > > Living near Chicago and having been around the Chicago crowd some, I > know free buzzing is traditionally taboo, and using the rim cutout is > still preferred. I've found free buzzing useful, but it's not as easy > to do the right way as it is to pick up a mouthpiece. > > Perhaps Charlie Vernon has one of the most PC views which, > paraphrased, is: I don't free buzz because I think it uses muscles > that aren't used when playing, and can be harmful, but, my friend > Bill Watrous free buzzes and can play a lot of amazing high licks I > can't play. > > Alessi doesn't advocate it, either. > Alain Trudel teaches it in his buzzing masterclasses. > And, the list goes on. Obviously, it works well for some people, but > not for everyone. > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:56:04 -0600 From: Denton Thomas Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions To: List Trombone Message-ID: <45CA4AF4.5020308@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Josh, I once heard that David Vining had some incredible lip slurs by free buzz. It would probably be worth contacting him about this, as he's had quite a few unique experiences. For myself, the free buzzing has definitely helped in the same way you mention - efficiency, air supply & breathing endurance/length. For accuracy, though, I haven't found it as beneficial as I had hoped. Free buzzing, I don't believe I am able to keep tight focus on the in-the-mouthpiece section of my face. I end up moving my face more than I like to see when I play the horn. Definitely good stuff for air stream. I look forward to reading your other posts. Denton -- DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com +1.512.680.7395 DMA in Progress: Performance, Trombone The University of Texas at Austin ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:57:55 -0800 From: Andrew Glendening Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions To: Jeff Albert , Douglas Ward Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I can't speak to the doubler viewpoint, but my own experience is that free buzzing doesn't help the orchestral tone much (for me at least.) It was helpful working on solo recitals and new music. Sam's point about using the free buzzing as as a diagnostic tool is a good one. Strength and control of the embouchure are difficult subjects. As an undergraduate at Oberlin, Tom Cramer had us free buzz. The assignment was to buzz the Star Spangled Banner into the back end of the mouthpiece. Not touching, just focused enough to fit. It helped me quite a bit at the time. Sort of an awareness and brain-embouchure connection improvement. I've used similar approaches with a few students, especially those with stretched/smiling embouchures, but tend to favor the rim to avoid excess tension. I never heard Cramer play, but he could buzz louder than I could play. He could also buzz inhaling. There is a good video of Mr. Jacobs buzzing on the Windsong Press site. His buzzing WITH the rim is very free. Andrew Glendening > From: "Jeff Albert" > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:18:16 -0600 > To: "Douglas Ward" > Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions > > If I had to make a generalization, I would guess that most symphony players, > or people that can play their whole scene on one rim, would not advocate > free buzzing, and most doublers (multi-rim) would. > > I could be wrong. > > Jeff > > On 2/7/07, Douglas Ward wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Joshua Hauser wrote: >> >>> I have been doing a lot of free buzzing over the last few months >>> since Sam >>> Burtis posted his pictures of the evidence of free buzzing on his >>> embouchure >>> and have found it to be very useful. I also have been looking at >>> other >>> pictures of trombone players 'in action' and have been trying to >>> use those >>> as a model for embouchure efficiency. It took about a month or so >>> before I >>> began to see any lasting effects, but after doing 5-10 minutes of free >>> buzzing per day for several months, I have developed a much more >>> efficient >>> embouchure and have found that my breathing is more effective as >>> well. I >>> noticed this in quintet rehearsal a few weeks ago when I realized >>> that I was >>> making phrases that were several bars longer than I would have been >>> able to >>> last semester. >>> >>> That brings me to my question and a topic that I hope you will >>> comment on >>> (especially Sam). While surfing on youtube the other day, I came >>> across >>> this video clip of Arnold Jacobs. Not to dismiss any of his wisdom >>> regarding breathing, but this seems to be totally contradictory to >>> my recent >>> experience both for myself and my students regarding free buzzing vs. >>> mouthpiece buzzing. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqTUwX0OVpM >>> >>> Comments? >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> >> >> Living near Chicago and having been around the Chicago crowd some, I >> know free buzzing is traditionally taboo, and using the rim cutout is >> still preferred. I've found free buzzing useful, but it's not as easy >> to do the right way as it is to pick up a mouthpiece. >> >> Perhaps Charlie Vernon has one of the most PC views which, >> paraphrased, is: I don't free buzz because I think it uses muscles >> that aren't used when playing, and can be harmful, but, my friend >> Bill Watrous free buzzes and can play a lot of amazing high licks I >> can't play. >> >> Alessi doesn't advocate it, either. >> Alain Trudel teaches it in his buzzing masterclasses. >> And, the list goes on. Obviously, it works well for some people, but >> not for everyone. >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > > -- > www.jeffalbert.com > > www.scratchmybrain.com > > www.pepperenterprises.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:08:13 -0500 From: "Brian Boyes" Subject: [Trombone-l] SE Florida Music Shops To: Message-ID: <000601c74b04$760bb6a0$622323e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry if this ends up duplicating. I'm trying again as I posted this last night and haven't seen it yet. I'm in Ft. Lauderdale on business this week. I don't have too much selection for band instruments at home, so I was thinking I'd do some trombone shopping. Anyone for any suggestions for Ft. Lauderdale area/Broward? Also interested in good sheet music shops or places that have good band music recordings. Thanks Brian ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:59:43 -0800 From: emrose79 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Trombone Inspirations To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45CA59DF.1030808@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Well, Tom... for what it's worth, that is, for me, I never really listened to a recording and say that I wanted to sound like that person. Although, I did enjoy listening to them. I mentioned two people. One was my High School Band teacher, and the other is the community band director, who is also a professor of music at Skyline College. Both inspired me to not only play the trombone, but to play music.... hmmm.... maybe they were trying to get me to play MUSICALLY???? I guess I missed that part of it!... Ed Tom Izzo wrote: >--- james meador wrote: > > > >>Hey, do they have to be legends? >> >> > >I don't see why! > >Wasn't the question, "Inspirations"? When did it >change to legends, or famous, or popularity contest >winners? > >Tom > > >Tom Izzo >Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; >Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; >Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; >Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. >http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ >(630) 858-7832 > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time >with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:26:54 +0100 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Regarding players who are already somewhat accomplished on the horn...not necessarily world-class virtuosi, just people who can make some music on a brass instrument...free buzzing "works" for those who: 1- Approach it in a positive spirit of experimentation. 2-Are willing to modify their ongoing "grasping a life preserver" attitude towards how they have played up until the time that they try it. 3-Are not obsessive/compulsive about making it a NEW life preserver. It's just a tool that makes things maybe 10% or 15% easier if used correctly. Not even an ESSENTIAL tool. Try everything. Preferably under the guidance of someone who knows how to use the particular tools that you are trying. Remember...a power screwdriver is great until you set it for the wrong direction when you are trying to take a screw out. Then it can ruin the whole job. Try everything, and use what works. If it doesn't work for you oreven if you do not THINK that it will work...fine. That J.J. track with which so many people helped here helped me yesterday? Played in his absolute prime? He plays with this INCREDIBLY large sound and with well controlled but very strong, rhythmic attacks from G above middle C up to D in this solo. The sound and attack capabilities tail off appreciably from there on down, although they are still more than just passable. He plays a long C an octave below middle C after a couple of choruses of burning blues, and he barely manages to hang onto it. Having tried to play his m'pce (King M21) on equivalent 3B-ish horns I understand how that might happen, although I will admit that I do NOT understand how he got so much air through such a restrictive backbore/throat system. He had a great balance on that equipment in his own version of the "money" register. Had he wished to do so...and why would he, considering how successfully he was making great music using his own approach...but HAD he wished to do so, he could have learned how to buzz around and through that low C , connect with his higher setting and he would have had another octave or more of that great J. J. sound. But why? His whole art lay in compromise. After playing the solo several times and talking about the formal musical aspects of it to some degree, I air-tromboned the positions for the non-trombone playing class. They were amazed. He only uses 1st, 2nd and 3rd positions for about 98% of the solo. He SURRENDERED to the horn, and in that surrender he made great art. But that was his nature. If you are more of a Sir Edmund Hilary type... ==================== Q-"Why did you climb Mt. Everest, sir?" A-"Because it's there." ==================== then feel free to experiment with the unknown. You WILL get the equivalent of frostbite on occasion. But you will also find new worlds. Your choice. (The choice of your genetic structure, really...) Have fun... S. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:42:03 -0600 From: "Jim Hale" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombones in the South To: Message-ID: <200702080040.l180eTSw011599@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know that when I was still in High School (1984) in Alexandria, Louisiana (Bolton High School), we, along with the majority of the high schools had pretty strong low brass. When I went to All-State my Junior and Senior years, the finals were always held at Bolton and there were (what I felt like) many awesome players for our age group. Jim -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Traugh Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:40 PM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombones in the South I got a chance to conduct an honor band at the University of Alabama this past weekend and was very impressed with the quality of trombonists and euphonium players that they were able to pull in for 3 complete Concert groups. Ken Ozzello - director of bands does a great job at attracting large numbers of interested students. I am sure the teaching of Dan Dill and Demondrae Thurman are largely responsible as well. Kudos to the great low brass teaching going on down there. Is it this strong all over the Southern US? _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:28:10 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Trombone Inspirations To: Tom Izzo Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <348CE08F-5D0A-4C4E-92C2-0EBD60567C7B@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Feb 7, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Tom Izzo wrote: >> Hey, do they have to be legends? > > I don't see why! > > Wasn't the question, "Inspirations"? When did it > change to legends, or famous, or popularity contest > winners? > > Tom ========== Changed to popularity contest when Donald Trump joined trombone-L. You didn't get the memo???? YOU'RE FIRED, TOM! WD ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:32:59 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: [Trombone-l] Edwards owners: Some eBay items of interest To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45CA8BDB.2000800@acticalc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed For those who expressed interest in the lightweight Edwards jazz horn, here is an update. My eBay account got hacked and the hacker blew away all the bidders 10 minutes before the end of the auction. We think it was an attempt to scam the bidders by offering them a second chance sale (from him, not me). Anyway, I think we got that cleaned up with nobody being scammed, and I am re-running the auction on a quick 3-day cycle. For anyone who is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160083300017 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:51:16 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions To: Jeff Albert , Joshua Hauser Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Perhaps it is largely a matter of mental focus. Runners fall into two camps: disassociaters, who let their mind drift or listen to music on their runs, and hyperassociaters, who focus on the motion of their bodies. Some use one approach while training and the other while racing. Some people focus on their chops. Others focus on their air. Air players may do so mainly to get their mind OFF their chops. If you take the mind away the chops will work without interference and maybe, for some players, work best. And for other players, possibly not work at all. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeffalbert.smb@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:55 PM To: Joshua Hauser Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Free-buzzing opinions So Jacobs said not to free buzz, and Sam and others have championed freebuzzing, and you (and me) and others have experienced some benefit from it. Unlike arithmetic, embouchure pedagogy does not have only one truth. It is possible for seemingly contradictory approaches to both yield success (and failure). I think Jacobs was a little bit older school and they weren't fans of the freebuzz. I imagine he was originally pretty cutting edge with the whole cut away rim buzzing idea. Thought continues to develop. Even Sam proposes free buzzing in limited amounts. I use free buzzing more as an embouchure check up than as an exercise. That's not that far away from how Jacobs used the rim buzzing. I don't see it as an earth shaking contradiction, as much as the gradual progression of thought on the topic. Jeff On 2/7/07, Joshua Hauser wrote: > > I have been doing a lot of free buzzing over the last few months since Sam > Burtis posted his pictures of the evidence of free buzzing on his > embouchure > and have found it to be very useful. I also have been looking at other > pictures of trombone players ?in action? and have been trying to use those > as a model for embouchure efficiency. It took about a month or so before > I > began to see any lasting effects, but after doing 5-10 minutes of free > buzzing per day for several months, I have developed a much more efficient > embouchure and have found that my breathing is more effective as well. I > noticed this in quintet rehearsal a few weeks ago when I realized that I > was > making phrases that were several bars longer than I would have been able > to > last semester. > > That brings me to my question and a topic that I hope you will comment on > (especially Sam). While surfing on youtube the other day, I came across > this video clip of Arnold Jacobs. Not to dismiss any of his wisdom > regarding breathing, but this seems to be totally contradictory to my > recent > experience both for myself and my students regarding free buzzing vs. > mouthpiece buzzing. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqTUwX0OVpM > > Comments? > > Josh > > > *************************************** > Joshua Hauser, Associate Professor of Trombone > Box 5045 > Department of Music and Art > Tennessee Technological University > Cookeville, TN 38505 > 931/372-6086 > jhauser@tntech.edu > http://iweb.tntech.edu/jhauser > http://www.tntech.edu/brass/trombone > Trombones at Tech new CD Project!! > http://www.tntech.edu/publicaffairs/rel/2006/dec06/music.html > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:32:56 -0500 From: "Don Fitzsimons" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] You Tube To: "james meador" , Message-ID: <00c601c74b53$5cd23fc0$ec364b0c@yoursz6x6sefxo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "james meador" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] You Tube > I am wondering how to go about downloading Youtube videos to my computer, > or > if that is even possible. Yes, but not with the standard library of programs that came installed on your computer. For an overview of techniques to accomplish this, http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11327_7-6555399-2.html?tag=tnav ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 04:25:33 -0500 From: "Don Fitzsimons" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] You Tube To: Message-ID: <00ff01c74b63$16826bc0$ec364b0c@yoursz6x6sefxo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original OK. I tried the web-based method of downloading YouTube files and it worked fine. You'll need a .flv player to view them on your machine [Windows platform]. The freeware associated with this web site was 1.9Mb, I think. http://keepvid.com/ fitz ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:53:16 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: [Trombone-l] Andy Martin Feb. 23 in Dallas To: trombone-L Message-ID: <45CB476C.1000208@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Anybody around the Dallas area, I just now found out about a concert that you're not going to want to miss: >On Friday, February 23rd, Andy Martin will join Pecos River Brass for a >concert at the Eisemann Center in Richardson. Concert is at 7:30, two >sets, and there will be theater seating for $25 per ticket, and table >seating (4 to a table) for $35 a seat. > > You can find more information on our website >http://www.pecosriverbrass.com/band/ and if you want even more you can go to >http://www.drewbone.com/. You can listen to Andy perform on the PRB >website as well as find out how to get tickets. You must get them from the >Eisemann. Instructions for on line or call are on the site. > > Andy is first call trombonist on the west coast, which means the world. >He performs with the Tom Kubis Big Band, Gordon Goodwin?s Big Phat Band, and >many other west coast bands. He does several movie and television sound >tracks like Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, Spiderman, and >Armageddon, but you don?t know that because his name is not on the screen >like the Key Grip is. He performs back up for many artists coming through >the LA area. He is a remarkable trombone player, and if you don?t believe >me, listen on our website to ?I Thought About You.? > > Please help support live jazz in Dallas !! > http://www.eisemanncenter.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:08:40 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Andy Martin Feb. 23 in Dallas To: trombone-L Message-ID: <14970005.1170950920649.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Absolutely ! DO NOT miss the opportunity to hear a great trombonist. In my humble opinion, Andy is the best. Period ! Great tone, wonderful sense of melody in his improv and incredible flexibility. A real joy to hear him play. He was exceptional at the Keely Smith concert in Cerritos that I attended this past fall. Wish I could be there Rick Bartkus ---- Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > Anybody around the Dallas area, I just now found out about a concert > that you're not going to want to miss: > > > >On Friday, February 23rd, Andy Martin will join Pecos River Brass for a > >concert at the Eisemann Center in Richardson. Concert is at 7:30, two > >sets, and there will be theater seating for $25 per ticket, and table > >seating (4 to a table) for $35 a seat. > > > > You can find more information on our website > >http://www.pecosriverbrass.com/band/ and if you want even more you can go to > >http://www.drewbone.com/. You can listen to Andy perform on the PRB > >website as well as find out how to get tickets. You must get them from the > >Eisemann. Instructions for on line or call are on the site. > > > > Andy is first call trombonist on the west coast, which means the world. > >He performs with the Tom Kubis Big Band, Gordon Goodwin?s Big Phat Band, and > >many other west coast bands. He does several movie and television sound > >tracks like Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, Spiderman, and > >Armageddon, but you don?t know that because his name is not on the screen > >like the Key Grip is. He performs back up for many artists coming through > >the LA area. He is a remarkable trombone player, and if you don?t believe > >me, listen on our website to ?I Thought About You.? > > > > Please help support live jazz in Dallas !! > > > > http://www.eisemanncenter.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8 *****************************************