Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 26 Date: Friday, January 26, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 26 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Reynolds Military Issue Trombones (ElShaddai Edwards) 2. Re: Jazz Bakery (crtune@adelphia.net) 3. Re: oil/trombotine lifetime (james meador) 4. Re: Jazz Bakery (sabutin) 5. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Earl Needham) 6. Re: OT . . .totally OT, but hilarious - "Microsoft Firefox 2007" (Earl Needham) 7. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Charles De Paolo) 8. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Bob and Deborah Shaw) 9. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Price Taylor) 10. blogs, breathing vs. blowing (Denton Thomas) 11. Re: blogs, breathing vs. blowing (Jeff Albert) 12. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Daniel Pliskin) 13. Count Basie Orchestra at TTU Jazz Fest (Eric & Candice Swanson) 14. Andy Martin at TCU (Ft. Worth, TX) (Eric & Candice Swanson) 15. Re: Count Basie Orchestra at TTU Jazz Fest (Earl Needham) 16. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 17. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 18. Re: Help! A question for everyone. (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW) 19. Re: oil/trombotine lifetime (Richard Corliss) 20. Re: Jazz Bakery (Chris Tune) 21. Re: Jazz Bakery (Chris Tune) 22. Re: Jazz Bakery (Chris Tune) 23. Re: oil/trombotine lifetime (Daniel Pliskin) 24. Re: oil/trombotine lifetime (Richard Corliss) 25. Re: Jazz Bakery (Daniel Pliskin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:17:44 +0000 From: elshaddai@comcast.net (ElShaddai Edwards) Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Reynolds Military Issue Trombones To: bobkoester@msn.com;trombone-l@server5.samford.edu; Message-ID: <012520071917.29949.45B90258000B5EC1000074FD2202888744070E0B0B0E089C040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Bob, Unfortunately, there's not a lot of information out there about the instruments that Reynolds made for the military. I've collected a little bit of information on the original FA Reynolds trombones on my website, Contempora Corner, which you can see here: http://www.contemporacorner.com/tbntenor7.html However, there's nothing explicit about the military trombones there at the moment (I'm currently putting an update together that will expand some of this information and include some photo samples of military trombones I've recently run across, including a bass trombone model). Serial number 6269 should date the horn to 1941 +/- a year. I haven't yet been able to determine whether Reynolds was awarded the contracts prior to 1941 or not. In any event, the military horns greatly increased Reynolds' production rate - if we assume 1941 as a starting date, Reynolds made approximately 4000 horns between 1936-1941, then 18,000 horns between 1941-1946 (SN 22000 is the approximate cutoff for horns made before the company's sale to Roth in 1946). I would be interested to hear anything else about the horn if you see it again. I'm guessing that it's a .500" bore, 7.5" bell as you mentioned. Under the silverplate that was used on all military horns, the horn should be all standard brass, except for the bell bracing/ferrules, which would be nickel silver. Outer slides would be brass with nickel-silver sleeves and handgrip. Did it have a round counterweight? As outlined on the page link above, there were models from Reynolds with and without the King-style counterweight. Best regards, ElShaddai Edwards Contempora Corner http://www.contemporacorner.com From: Bob Koester [mailto:bobkoester@msn.com] Sent: Wed 1/24/2007 2:06 PM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Reynolds Military Issue Trombones Hello, Does anyone know anthing about Reynolds history of making trombones for the military in WWII? I saw one yesterday. Silver, 7-71/2" bell. Didn't have a chance to play it but was wondering if anyone could help with more specifics. Serial # is 6269. Thanks very much, Bob Bob Koester, President MSI Financial Notice: This e-mail message and any attachment to this email message contain confidential information that my be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this email or any attachments to it. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify us by return email or by telephone at 913-341-7108 and delete this message. You may also notify us by surface mail to MSI Financial, 3965 West 83rd St. #114, Prairie Village, KS 66208. Forwarded messages, replies to prior messages, or all of this message or attachments may not have originated at this email address. This notice is automatically appended to all emails leaving this email address. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:40:16 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery To: sabutin Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <8591019.1169754016579.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I drive through all of those. . . South Central AND ritzy suburbs. . . Although there are "tendencies" and demographics. . . and of poverty does tend to adhere with those who don't want to be "too white" and therefore study right through college. . . . . . . it is not remarkable at all to find an African-American family in a very nice home, very nice automobile in Beverly Hills, CA. . .not uncommon by any means. also, although not very well known, but there are, in fact anglo-saxons, orientals, etc. living in south central L.A. just shows who really lives off of stereo-types. Chris. ---- sabutin wrote: > > > From: Stan Brager > >> > >> I spoke with The Jazz Bakery and they'll allow people from Northern > >> California in for this event. However, they'll have to sit in the back. > > > > > >I thought they'd abolished segregation in So. Cal. > > > >A. > > > Dream on. > > Drive through South Central or a ritzy LA suburb for more on THAT subject. > > S. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:42:11 +0000 From: "james meador" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey all, What is this Leka Reka stuff and where do you get it? James ====================== James N. Meador, Bass Trombone Orquesta Sinf—nica de Yucat‡n +52-999-221-5845 cell +52-999-195-1144 home jamesmeador@hotmail.com From: Emil Orth To: "Chris Tune" , "Denton Thomas" , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:37 PM Hi Cris, About Reka lube, I have been on it since Jan. '93. Good stuff, even threw my water mist spray away. Don't need it. I have tried most every lube scheme known to the western world!!! I have found, however the Reka will last longer and even be slicker if you first, throughly clean the slide, then apply a very small dab of trombotine. Work it in with the outer slide. Rub the slide with your bare hand to remove anymore excess til' the slide feels almost dry. Then I apply a small drop or two of Reka and work it in. You'll be ready to go. From there on to rejuvenate, just wipe down with the bare hand, not a rag. If your slide is dent free and in alignment you will then have the slickest slide you've ever felt. The undercoat of trombotine seems to enhance the slickeness of the Reka, don't know why but it sure works for this old guy (78). ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:12:00 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I drive through all of those. . . South Central AND ritzy suburbs. . . > >Although there are "tendencies" and demographics. . . and of poverty >does tend to adhere with those who don't want to be "too white" and >therefore study right through college. . . . > >. . . it is not remarkable at all to find an African-American family >in a very nice home, very nice automobile in Beverly Hills, CA. . >.not uncommon by any means. > >also, although not very well known, but there are, in fact >anglo-saxons, orientals, etc. living in south central L.A. > >just shows who really lives off of stereo-types. > >Chris. C'mon, man... "Tendencies?" "Demographics?" And worst of all..."...poverty does tend to adhere with those who don't want to be "too white" and therefore study right through college." "TOO WHITE!!!???" Please. In America, poverty tends to adhere to whatever classes are initially burdened with the dirty end of the stick...usually those who arrive last or have been down so long it ALL looks like up to them...and are fairly easily marked as a servant caste. Skin color of course being the marker of choice wherever there are enough darker folks to fill the menial occupations of a upwardly mobile consumer society. It's just SO convenient. Sure there are darker people in primarily white suburbs. The overseers, mostly. And not TOO damned many of them lest white flight strike and housing prices plummet. And sure there are "others" in the ghettoes. Those who do not want to play the usury game, those who CANNOT play the game, and those who are getting in early on the almost inevitable gentrification movements as prices in the more choice areas skyrocket out of reach of the middle class. Really, Chris... S. P.S. It's "Asians" now, too. Not "orientals." Try telling Margaret Cho she's an oriental and see what happens. Tell me when you're gonna do it. I'll fly out. I would LOVE to watch. > > >---- sabutin wrote: >> > > From: Stan Brager >> >> >> >> I spoke with The Jazz Bakery and they'll allow people from Northern >> >> California in for this event. However, they'll have to sit in the back. >> > >> > >> >I thought they'd abolished segregation in So. Cal. >> > >> >A. >> >> >> Dream on. >> >> Drive through South Central or a ritzy LA suburb for more on THAT subject. >> >> S. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:33:38 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200701260034.l0Q0Yv9p011415@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:41 AM 1/25/2007, ewigleben1@aol.com wrote: > >As I get older it seems I'm getting sharper and sharper. Not my >mind, of course, my playing! Over the last two years or so I've >noticed I have had to pull out more and more. And it's not just in >my rock band. I've noticed it in my playing with the brass choir or >other symphony or even church work around town. It's not as big a >problem with my bone quartet but that's because I think the other >three guys are adjusting to me (I play the first book). Interesting -- in the past ten years my pitch has been going lower. I ran out of tuning slide about 5 years ago and a lot of so-called "first-position" notes have to played somewhere else. >I've wondered if it is my horn. Is that possible........a horn >simply "wear" out? I have played the same Bach Strad 36 since >1975. It's a small bore without a trigger for those not >familiar. I bought it because back then that's what Watrous played >and I thought he was the greatest! Well -- my personal suspicion is that my pitch is going lower because my teeth are wearing down. No, I'm not joking, that's exactly what I'm thinking. Have you had any dental work done in the past few years? Or, one other possibility I can think of -- if your embouchure is as strong as you say, it just may be raising the pitch. Just a guess, but maybe. Earl KD5XB Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs "Just say NO to DHL" ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:34:24 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT . . .totally OT, but hilarious - "Microsoft Firefox 2007" To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200701260035.l0Q0Z1wK011422@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:32 PM 1/24/2007, crtune@adelphia.net wrote: >This is totally off topic, but I just had to share: This website is >a hilarious spoof (with extensive numbers of webpages) of the >Firefox world, if it were taken over by Microsoft. > >http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html > >I can hardly stop laughing. > >Those of you who enjoy a "techie" laugh or two (many of us, I >believe). . .will get a kick out of this. Wow! Let's hope this doesn't happen! Earl KD5XB Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs "Just say NO to DHL" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:10:07 -0500 From: "Charles De Paolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <029501c740e6$b830cc50$1e00a8c0@Road1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Tom, I'm thinking chops and air. You are probably playing with harder (tighter) chops than you think. Relax and let the pitch sag. Let the air vibrate the chops freely. Sing!! Think of producing a sound by pulling a bow across a proverbial set of strings, with the bow speed high and the pressure light. Instead of low speed and high pressure. I strongly doubt anything is wrong with your axe, unless something is stuck inside, the problem is almost certainly with something you are doing. Hope this helps! --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: ewigleben1@aol.com To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. Reading about all of this old trombotine or other lubricants lasting a lifetime got me to thinking about a problem I've encountered. No, it's not which new lubricant to buy, 'cause I have a tube of trombotine older than my adult kids also! But instead, here's my query: As I get older it seems I'm getting sharper and sharper. Not my mind, of course, my playing! Over the last two years or so I've noticed I have had to pull out more and more. And it's not just in my rock band. I've noticed it in my playing with the brass choir or other symphony or even church work around town. It's not as big a problem with my bone quartet but that's because I think the other three guys are adjusting to me (I play the first book). I've wondered if it is my horn. Is that possible........a horn simply "wear" out? I have played the same Bach Strad 36 since 1975. It's a small bore without a trigger for those not familiar. I bought it because back then that's what Watrous played and I thought he was the greatest! It's not in mint condition but there are no dents in it and the slide still works great. No visual weld problems or spit valve problems. Has this happened to anyone else? As I approach 50 lots of things start to go, the knees, the blood pressure, the cholesterol, (fortunately some things still work fine!). If it's not the horn but somehow it's my playing, what would you suggest? My embouchure certainly hasn't changed. My hearing (ears) are fine. I can hear I'm out of tune if I don't make the adjustments, but soon I may run out of tuning slide or 7th position! I've lost no endurance and , if anything, due to my kids getting older and I have more "playing time", my chops have gotten stronger and my range has increased! Besides, the tuning issue is in all octaves. There's a fine repair shop in Indianapolis and I may take it in and have it looked over. Looking forward to hearing some suggestions. Thanks. Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:53:06 -0600 From: "Bob and Deborah Shaw" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was thinking build up inside the horn somewhere... or... is it possible to 'outgrow' your mouthpice? Maybe try another size or 2? -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Charles De Paolo Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:10 PM To: Trombone List Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. Hi Tom, I'm thinking chops and air. You are probably playing with harder (tighter) chops than you think. Relax and let the pitch sag. Let the air vibrate the chops freely. Sing!! Think of producing a sound by pulling a bow across a proverbial set of strings, with the bow speed high and the pressure light. Instead of low speed and high pressure. I strongly doubt anything is wrong with your axe, unless something is stuck inside, the problem is almost certainly with something you are doing. Hope this helps! --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: ewigleben1@aol.com To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. Reading about all of this old trombotine or other lubricants lasting a lifetime got me to thinking about a problem I've encountered. No, it's not which new lubricant to buy, 'cause I have a tube of trombotine older than my adult kids also! But instead, here's my query: As I get older it seems I'm getting sharper and sharper. Not my mind, of course, my playing! Over the last two years or so I've noticed I have had to pull out more and more. And it's not just in my rock band. I've noticed it in my playing with the brass choir or other symphony or even church work around town. It's not as big a problem with my bone quartet but that's because I think the other three guys are adjusting to me (I play the first book). I've wondered if it is my horn. Is that possible........a horn simply "wear" out? I have played the same Bach Strad 36 since 1975. It's a small bore without a trigger for those not familiar. I bought it because back then that's what Watrous played and I thought he was the greatest! It's not in mint condition but there are no dents in it and the slide still works great. No visual weld problems or spit valve problems. Has this happened to anyone else? As I approach 50 lots of things start to go, the knees, the blood pressure, the cholesterol, (fortunately some things still work fine!). If it's not the horn but somehow it's my playing, what would you suggest? My embouchure certainly hasn't changed. My hearing (ears) are fine. I can hear I'm out of tune if I don't make the adjustments, but soon I may run out of tuning slide or 7th position! I've lost no endurance and , if anything, due to my kids getting older and I have more "playing time", my chops have gotten stronger and my range has increased! Besides, the tuning issue is in all octaves. There's a fine repair shop in Indianapolis and I may take it in and have it looked over. Looking forward to hearing some suggestions. Thanks. Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:00:49 -0800 From: "Price Taylor" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: "'Trombone List'" Message-ID: <200701260200.l0Q20p4L014511@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom - I think Chuck is on the right track here. You need to think center of the pitch. Long tones will help a lot here and go with Chuck;s concept of letting the pitch sag. When playing those tones think "center" of the pitch. Some might say practice with a tuner, that might help at first but you've been playing long enough that I bet that won't help much. FWIW, I had the same thing happen to me when I was playing a lot of lead stuff in college jazz band. Price -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Charles De Paolo Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:10 PM To: Trombone List Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. Hi Tom, I'm thinking chops and air. You are probably playing with harder (tighter) chops than you think. Relax and let the pitch sag. Let the air vibrate the chops freely. Sing!! Think of producing a sound by pulling a bow across a proverbial set of strings, with the bow speed high and the pressure light. Instead of low speed and high pressure. I strongly doubt anything is wrong with your axe, unless something is stuck inside, the problem is almost certainly with something you are doing. Hope this helps! --Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: ewigleben1@aol.com To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. Reading about all of this old trombotine or other lubricants lasting a lifetime got me to thinking about a problem I've encountered. No, it's not which new lubricant to buy, 'cause I have a tube of trombotine older than my adult kids also! But instead, here's my query: As I get older it seems I'm getting sharper and sharper. Not my mind, of course, my playing! Over the last two years or so I've noticed I have had to pull out more and more. And it's not just in my rock band. I've noticed it in my playing with the brass choir or other symphony or even church work around town. It's not as big a problem with my bone quartet but that's because I think the other three guys are adjusting to me (I play the first book). I've wondered if it is my horn. Is that possible........a horn simply "wear" out? I have played the same Bach Strad 36 since 1975. It's a small bore without a trigger for those not familiar. I bought it because back then that's what Watrous played and I thought he was the greatest! It's not in mint condition but there are no dents in it and the slide still works great. No visual weld problems or spit valve problems. Has this happened to anyone else? As I approach 50 lots of things start to go, the knees, the blood pressure, the cholesterol, (fortunately some things still work fine!). If it's not the horn but somehow it's my playing, what would you suggest? My embouchure certainly hasn't changed. My hearing (ears) are fine. I can hear I'm out of tune if I don't make the adjustments, but soon I may run out of tuning slide or 7th position! I've lost no endurance and , if anything, due to my kids getting older and I have more "playing time", my chops have gotten stronger and my range has increased! Besides, the tuning issue is in all octaves. There's a fine repair shop in Indianapolis and I may take it in and have it looked over. Looking forward to hearing some suggestions. Thanks. Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:43:09 -0600 From: Denton Thomas Subject: [Trombone-l] blogs, breathing vs. blowing To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <45B986DD.2040208@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ladies and Gents, What trombone-y blogs/columns you all read? I keep up with Jay's Reflections and some of Matt Guilford's blog. Any others you recommend? Second, I'm looking for information/exercises about blowing. Not breathing, exactly, but blowing/exhalation & efficiency. I know lots of good breathing exercises and I do some daily (keep moving, 4in 4out gradually longer, expand by holding/sipping, use intercostals not the glottis, many other jewels). Blowing exercises seem somewhat elusive. I know some concepts from Jan Kagarice, and bits from reading about hatha yoga. Good reading and/or practice suggestions wanted. Despite what some are thinking, I am disinterested in nsfw comments on blowing ... :p Denton -- DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com +1.512.680.7395 DMA in Progress: Performance, Trombone The University of Texas at Austin ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:53:18 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] blogs, breathing vs. blowing To: "Denton Thomas" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have been enjoying Brad Edwards' blog ( http://bonezoneblog.blogspot.com/). he doesn't post often, but they are usually good. Jeff On 1/25/07, Denton Thomas wrote: > > Ladies and Gents, > > What trombone-y blogs/columns you all read? I keep up with Jay's > Reflections and some of Matt Guilford's blog. Any others you recommend? > > Second, I'm looking for information/exercises about blowing. Not > breathing, exactly, but blowing/exhalation & efficiency. I know lots of > good breathing exercises and I do some daily (keep moving, 4in 4out > gradually longer, expand by holding/sipping, use intercostals not the > glottis, many other jewels). > > Blowing exercises seem somewhat elusive. I know some concepts from Jan > Kagarice, and bits from reading about hatha yoga. Good reading and/or > practice suggestions wanted. > > Despite what some are thinking, I am disinterested in nsfw comments on > blowing ... :p > > Denton > > -- > DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com > +1.512.680.7395 > DMA in Progress: Performance, Trombone > The University of Texas at Austin > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:06:52 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I'm thinking chops and air. I agree. Youāve got more time to practice and youāre playing first chair, the high stuff. When I picked up my oboe, last month, after not playing it for years (I prefer English horn, when I want to play a double-reed) my chops got tight, my upper register got better and my lower register got lost. And my pitch went up. DanP _________________________________________________________________ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy AwardsØ http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:31:30 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: [Trombone-l] Count Basie Orchestra at TTU Jazz Fest To: trombone-L Message-ID: <45B9A042.4090505@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just thought I'd pass this along in case anyone is out around the Lubbock, Texas area and would be interested in seeing the Basie band. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Webb, Rebecca Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Count Basie Orchestra at TTU Jazz Fest <>Dear Jazzers, This year marks the 40th anniversary of our Texas Tech/Phi Mu Alpha Jazz Fest. To honor this occasion, we are featuring the Count Basie Orchestra. We invite you to join us for masterclasses by members of the Count Basie Orchestra and to enter your jazz band for competition or for comments only from our distinguished judging panel. The festival will conclude with a concert on Saturday night featuring the Count Basie Orchestra with TTU Jazz I and Brad Leali. The festival will be March 30th and 31st , in Lubbock, TX. Please click here for more information or visit our website at www.ttu.edu/music for this and other upcoming events. We have a limited number of time slots, so register early! -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: _AVG certification_.txt Url: http://maillists.samford.edu/pipermail/trombone-l/attachments/20070126/e127ae22/_AVGcertification_-0001.txt ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:45:39 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: [Trombone-l] Andy Martin at TCU (Ft. Worth, TX) To: trombone-L Message-ID: <45B9A393.3050900@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Andy Martin will be at Texas Christian University in Fort Worth, TX March 23rd and 24th, 2007. The concert on the 23rd will be just Andy and a rhythm section (Joe Bagg, Ramon Banda, Kristin Korb), so it should be a really good chance to hear him play a lot, and it's only $10. On the 24th, the high school jazz bands compete all day long, free admission. Then, in the evening, Andy Martin will be featured with the TCU Jazz Ensembles (big bands) plus film composer Patrick Williams will conduct the premiere of an original composition commissioned by TCU. Admission $10. http://www.music.tcu.edu/recitals_spring_2007.asp ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:02:20 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Count Basie Orchestra at TTU Jazz Fest To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200701260702.l0Q72kOd022611@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:31 PM 1/25/2007, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: >The festival will be March 30th and 31st , in Lubbock, TX. Please >click here > >for more information Hey! Check out that link! It mentions SLIDE-O-MIX right in the middle!!!!! Earl KD5XB Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs "Just say NO to DHL" ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:59:58 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: ewigleben1@aol.com, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Horns do wear out but I don't think going sharp would be a symptom. I bought my 42B in 1971 and it has not changed pitch that I can tell. People wear out as well and at 50 you (and I!) are well down the road. I guess I would be looking at physical changes in myself first. I have no clue what they might be, but this is the internet after all, and speculation requires neither facts nor logic. So I'll throw out a couple of possibilities. One is that the pitch change is an illusion. Back in the old days you never knew what pitch you'd play at, nowadays the ubiquitous electronic tuner has forced almost every group pretty close to A440, which is a good thing. But this seems unlikely, you probably really are sharp. So what goes, as we age? Well, past 40, hearing, lung capacity, memory, and timing all decline; strength and fine coordination are not as affected. Is it possible you've lost high frequency hearing, causing you to play above pitch center in an attempt to get the tone and projection you think is missing (but really isn't)? Or is it possible you have less air available, are making up for it with chops, and extra tension pushes the pitch higher? I play with some old timers, who generally play very well, but never loudly. Or, horrors, it is also possible to develop a hearing loss that actually shifts pitch, so you don't hear what you think you do. Maybe getting more far fetched, you may have changes in the shape of your oral cavity, especially if you've lost teeth or had gum disease. The mouth contributes to the length of the horn, so if you've shrunk there you may go sharp. I think I'll go back to bed before I get even more depressed. -----Original Message----- From: ewigleben1@aol.com [mailto:ewigleben1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:41 PM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. Reading about all of this old trombotine or other lubricants lasting a lifetime got me to thinking about a problem I've encountered. No, it's not which new lubricant to buy, 'cause I have a tube of trombotine older than my adult kids also! But instead, here's my query: As I get older it seems I'm getting sharper and sharper. Not my mind, of course, my playing! Over the last two years or so I've noticed I have had to pull out more and more. And it's not just in my rock band. I've noticed it in my playing with the brass choir or other symphony or even church work around town. It's not as big a problem with my bone quartet but that's because I think the other three guys are adjusting to me (I play the first book). I've wondered if it is my horn. Is that possible........a horn simply "wear" out? I have played the same Bach Strad 36 since 1975. It's a small bore without a trigger for those not familiar. I bought it because back then that's what Watrous played and I thought he was the greatest! It's not in mint condition but there are no dents in it and the slide still works great. No visual weld problems or spit valve problems. Has this happened to anyone else? As I approach 50 lots of things start to go, the knees, the blood pressure, the cholesterol, (fortunately some things still work fine!). If it's not the horn but somehow it's my playing, what would you suggest? My embouchure certainly hasn't changed. My hearing (ears) are fine. I can hear I'm out of tune if I don't make the adjustments, but soon I may run out of tuning slide or 7th position! I've lost no endurance and , if anything, due to my kids getting older and I have more "playing time", my chops have gotten stronger and my range has increased! Besides, the tuning issue is in all octaves. There's a fine repair shop in Indianapolis and I may take it in and have it looked over. Looking forward to hearing some suggestions. Thanks. Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:25:23 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: timothy.a.richardson@us.army.mil, EWIGLEBEN1@aol.com, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have used the same Pan American 'bone since 1947. Four years ago, I put it in the closet as it needs some slide work and some resoldering. Essentially it is worn out. The pitch has not changed, and I have had mouth surgery, teeth removed etc and etc. Other factors may cause the rise in pitch, but I do not think the horn is the problem. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:29:28 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com, "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Ansbach DPW" , EWIGLEBEN1@aol.com, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You got six extra years out of it. Average lifespan of a brass instrument played regularly is supposed to be 50 years (as opposed to a wall hanger which can last forever). -----Original Message----- From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com [mailto:BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:25 PM To: timothy.a.richardson@us.army.mil; EWIGLEBEN1@aol.com; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Help! A question for everyone. I have used the same Pan American 'bone since 1947. Four years ago, I put it in the closet as it needs some slide work and some resoldering. Essentially it is worn out. The pitch has not changed, and I have had mouth surgery, teeth removed etc and etc. Other factors may cause the rise in pitch, but I do not think the horn is the problem. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:06:51 -0600 From: "Richard Corliss" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime To: , , "Earl Needham" Message-ID: <001001c7416c$62a4f640$29355747@roc.mn.charter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: "Richard Corliss" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime > At 01:58 PM 1/23/2007, Richard Corliss wrote: > >How many remember Blue Coral's Autofom with Fombolin A - a surface sealant > >for automobiles? A small amount is used to coat and protect the inner part > >of the outer slides and it lasts I would guess from six months to a year. I > >think I've used it three times. I use it with some kind of liquid silicone > >on the stockings, such Superslick, and the slide is super fast and lasts for > >about five days. > > > >Two of three years ago someone in this forum announced that this product is > >going to be discontinued, which was true. I panicked and bought a case of > >six of them from the company. I gave one to my repairman and one of them > >will last me a lifetime. . > > Yep, good stuff. I think I have three kits somewhere -- no, > wait, I might have one left! I'm pretty good about giving valuable > stuff away! > > Earl > > KD5XB > Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs > "Just say NO to DHL" After a little bit of investigation I discovered that AutoFom is apparently a Teflon polymar recommeded by the Slide Doctor. It is found in SuperSlide which can be purchased through this site: http://www.tromboneslide.com/index1.htm . He recommends that the the inner part of the outer slides first be cleaned by a water based brass cleaner, such as Wrights Brass polish, and then add the polymar by a cloth moistened with the polymar. Don't confuse SuperSlide with the lubricant Super Slide put out by REKA. Richard Corliss ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:17:52 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery To: "Chris Tune" , , "sabutin" Message-ID: <009801c7416d$e9ddb3d0$0300a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I intended that just for Sam., but whatever. I'm just sick of this stuff. Sorry. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Tune" To: ; "sabutin" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery > You are a racist. Racist means that race is a primary feature, a primary > decider in your world view. Today's racists aren't people trying to put > down people with some different ethnic background. Today people try to > play on foolish people's fears and emotions (take yourself for example. . > .) and make race the BIG ISSUE. Or, worse they make race bating a > profession--take Reverend Al Sharpton. . . .as example. > > But this doesn't change the fundamental fact--You are a RACIST. I've also > seen people be put down because they are black (my boss a couple of years > ago. . .now my friend). Myself, because I'm white (VERY white was the > term this racist person used). > > If you don't think it is appros to talk about how blacks put down their > friends and neighbors as "Oreo Cookies" or "Uncle Tom", then you don't > understand the origins of disadvantage for the Black person in society. > You may never understand. You are too busy crying because there is no > more "Air America". > > And you waste a lot of times playing games with words. Whether they are > "au courant" enough for your fool sensibilities. Incidentally, I hope you > come out here and do whatever you want. I can take it. I just can't > take the idiocy. > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sabutin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery > > >> >I drive through all of those. . . South Central AND ritzy suburbs. . . >>> >>>Although there are "tendencies" and demographics. . . and of poverty >>>does tend to adhere with those who don't want to be "too white" and >>>therefore study right through college. . . . >>> >>>. . . it is not remarkable at all to find an African-American family >>>in a very nice home, very nice automobile in Beverly Hills, CA. . >>>.not uncommon by any means. >>> >>>also, although not very well known, but there are, in fact >>>anglo-saxons, orientals, etc. living in south central L.A. >>> >>>just shows who really lives off of stereo-types. >>> >>>Chris. >> >> >> C'mon, man... >> >> "Tendencies?" >> >> "Demographics?" >> >> And worst of all..."...poverty does tend to adhere with those who >> don't want to be "too white" and therefore study right through >> college." >> >> "TOO WHITE!!!???" >> >> Please. >> >> In America, poverty tends to adhere to whatever classes are initially >> burdened with the dirty end of the stick...usually those who arrive >> last or have been down so long it ALL looks like up to them...and are >> fairly easily marked as a servant caste. Skin color of course being >> the marker of choice wherever there are enough darker folks to fill >> the menial occupations of a upwardly mobile consumer society. It's >> just SO convenient. >> >> Sure there are darker people in primarily white suburbs. The >> overseers, mostly. And not TOO damned many of them lest white flight >> strike and housing prices plummet. >> >> And sure there are "others" in the ghettoes. Those who do not want to >> play the usury game, those who CANNOT play the game, and those who >> are getting in early on the almost inevitable gentrification >> movements as prices in the more choice areas skyrocket out of reach >> of the middle class. >> >> Really, Chris... >> >> S. >> >> P.S. It's "Asians" now, too. Not "orientals." >> >> Try telling Margaret Cho she's an oriental and see what happens. >> >> Tell me when you're gonna do it. >> >> I'll fly out. >> >> I would LOVE to watch. >> >>> >>> >>>---- sabutin wrote: >>>> > > From: Stan Brager >>>> >> >>>> >> I spoke with The Jazz Bakery and they'll allow people from >>>> Northern >>>> >> California in for this event. However, they'll have to sit in the >>>> back. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >I thought they'd abolished segregation in So. Cal. >>>> > >>>> >A. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dream on. >>>> >>>> Drive through South Central or a ritzy LA suburb for more on THAT >>>> subject. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trombone-l mailing list >>>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:15:41 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery To: , "sabutin" Message-ID: <005a01c7416d$9bfae3e0$0300a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original You are a racist. Racist means that race is a primary feature, a primary decider in your world view. Today's racists aren't people trying to put down people with some different ethnic background. Today people try to play on foolish people's fears and emotions (take yourself for example. . .) and make race the BIG ISSUE. Or, worse they make race bating a profession--take Reverend Al Sharpton. . . .as example. But this doesn't change the fundamental fact--You are a RACIST. I've also seen people be put down because they are black (my boss a couple of years ago. . .now my friend). Myself, because I'm white (VERY white was the term this racist person used). If you don't think it is appros to talk about how blacks put down their friends and neighbors as "Oreo Cookies" or "Uncle Tom", then you don't understand the origins of disadvantage for the Black person in society. You may never understand. You are too busy crying because there is no more "Air America". And you waste a lot of times playing games with words. Whether they are "au courant" enough for your fool sensibilities. Incidentally, I hope you come out here and do whatever you want. I can take it. I just can't take the idiocy. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabutin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery > >I drive through all of those. . . South Central AND ritzy suburbs. . . >> >>Although there are "tendencies" and demographics. . . and of poverty >>does tend to adhere with those who don't want to be "too white" and >>therefore study right through college. . . . >> >>. . . it is not remarkable at all to find an African-American family >>in a very nice home, very nice automobile in Beverly Hills, CA. . >>.not uncommon by any means. >> >>also, although not very well known, but there are, in fact >>anglo-saxons, orientals, etc. living in south central L.A. >> >>just shows who really lives off of stereo-types. >> >>Chris. > > > C'mon, man... > > "Tendencies?" > > "Demographics?" > > And worst of all..."...poverty does tend to adhere with those who > don't want to be "too white" and therefore study right through > college." > > "TOO WHITE!!!???" > > Please. > > In America, poverty tends to adhere to whatever classes are initially > burdened with the dirty end of the stick...usually those who arrive > last or have been down so long it ALL looks like up to them...and are > fairly easily marked as a servant caste. Skin color of course being > the marker of choice wherever there are enough darker folks to fill > the menial occupations of a upwardly mobile consumer society. It's > just SO convenient. > > Sure there are darker people in primarily white suburbs. The > overseers, mostly. And not TOO damned many of them lest white flight > strike and housing prices plummet. > > And sure there are "others" in the ghettoes. Those who do not want to > play the usury game, those who CANNOT play the game, and those who > are getting in early on the almost inevitable gentrification > movements as prices in the more choice areas skyrocket out of reach > of the middle class. > > Really, Chris... > > S. > > P.S. It's "Asians" now, too. Not "orientals." > > Try telling Margaret Cho she's an oriental and see what happens. > > Tell me when you're gonna do it. > > I'll fly out. > > I would LOVE to watch. > >> >> >>---- sabutin wrote: >>> > > From: Stan Brager >>> >> >>> >> I spoke with The Jazz Bakery and they'll allow people from Northern >>> >> California in for this event. However, they'll have to sit in the >>> back. >>> > >>> > >>> >I thought they'd abolished segregation in So. Cal. >>> > >>> >A. >>> >>> >>> Dream on. >>> >>> Drive through South Central or a ritzy LA suburb for more on THAT >>> subject. >>> >>> S. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:17:52 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery To: "Chris Tune" , , "sabutin" Message-ID: <000201c7416e$5e45a8e0$0300a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I intended that just for Sam., but whatever. I'm just sick of this stuff. Sorry. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Tune" To: ; "sabutin" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery > You are a racist. Racist means that race is a primary feature, a primary > decider in your world view. Today's racists aren't people trying to put > down people with some different ethnic background. Today people try to > play on foolish people's fears and emotions (take yourself for example. . > .) and make race the BIG ISSUE. Or, worse they make race bating a > profession--take Reverend Al Sharpton. . . .as example. > > But this doesn't change the fundamental fact--You are a RACIST. I've also > seen people be put down because they are black (my boss a couple of years > ago. . .now my friend). Myself, because I'm white (VERY white was the > term this racist person used). > > If you don't think it is appros to talk about how blacks put down their > friends and neighbors as "Oreo Cookies" or "Uncle Tom", then you don't > understand the origins of disadvantage for the Black person in society. > You may never understand. You are too busy crying because there is no > more "Air America". > > And you waste a lot of times playing games with words. Whether they are > "au courant" enough for your fool sensibilities. Incidentally, I hope you > come out here and do whatever you want. I can take it. I just can't > take the idiocy. > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sabutin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery > > >> >I drive through all of those. . . South Central AND ritzy suburbs. . . >>> >>>Although there are "tendencies" and demographics. . . and of poverty >>>does tend to adhere with those who don't want to be "too white" and >>>therefore study right through college. . . . >>> >>>. . . it is not remarkable at all to find an African-American family >>>in a very nice home, very nice automobile in Beverly Hills, CA. . >>>.not uncommon by any means. >>> >>>also, although not very well known, but there are, in fact >>>anglo-saxons, orientals, etc. living in south central L.A. >>> >>>just shows who really lives off of stereo-types. >>> >>>Chris. >> >> >> C'mon, man... >> >> "Tendencies?" >> >> "Demographics?" >> >> And worst of all..."...poverty does tend to adhere with those who >> don't want to be "too white" and therefore study right through >> college." >> >> "TOO WHITE!!!???" >> >> Please. >> >> In America, poverty tends to adhere to whatever classes are initially >> burdened with the dirty end of the stick...usually those who arrive >> last or have been down so long it ALL looks like up to them...and are >> fairly easily marked as a servant caste. Skin color of course being >> the marker of choice wherever there are enough darker folks to fill >> the menial occupations of a upwardly mobile consumer society. It's >> just SO convenient. >> >> Sure there are darker people in primarily white suburbs. The >> overseers, mostly. And not TOO damned many of them lest white flight >> strike and housing prices plummet. >> >> And sure there are "others" in the ghettoes. Those who do not want to >> play the usury game, those who CANNOT play the game, and those who >> are getting in early on the almost inevitable gentrification >> movements as prices in the more choice areas skyrocket out of reach >> of the middle class. >> >> Really, Chris... >> >> S. >> >> P.S. It's "Asians" now, too. Not "orientals." >> >> Try telling Margaret Cho she's an oriental and see what happens. >> >> Tell me when you're gonna do it. >> >> I'll fly out. >> >> I would LOVE to watch. >> >>> >>> >>>---- sabutin wrote: >>>> > > From: Stan Brager >>>> >> >>>> >> I spoke with The Jazz Bakery and they'll allow people from >>>> Northern >>>> >> California in for this event. However, they'll have to sit in the >>>> back. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >I thought they'd abolished segregation in So. Cal. >>>> > >>>> >A. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dream on. >>>> >>>> Drive through South Central or a ritzy LA suburb for more on THAT >>>> subject. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trombone-l mailing list >>>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:31:30 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >After a little bit of investigation I discovered that AutoFom is apparently >a Teflon polymar recommeded by the Slide Doctor. It is found in SuperSlide >which can be purchased through this site: >http://www.tromboneslide.com/index1.htm . He recommends that the the inner >part of the outer slides first be cleaned by a water based brass cleaner, >such as Wrights Brass polish, and then add the polymar by a cloth moistened >with the polymar. Don't confuse SuperSlide with the lubricant Super Slide >put out by REKA. The SuperSlide people want you to rough up the inside of your slide, before using their Teflon treatment. I wouldnāt do that. When I tried it, I roughed up the slide, using the coarsest buffing compound I would ever use on a trombone slide. Then I tried their treatment. Initially the slide was pretty bad. Then it became reasonably good. But it never became better than any of the non-treated slides Iāve worked on. ·and the stuff was expensive, too. My feeling is that if your slide tubes are clean, smooth, straight, parallel and aligned, almost any lubricant will work well. Thatās why I went back to that tube of Trombotine, I had kicking around. Itās an odd twist of fate. Iām the guy who spent all of his free time trying to buy or make that ideal mouthpiece to go with my ideal trombone. Now that Iāve got the trombone I wanted and the mouthpiece I wanted, I no longer care about equipment. ·well, I could use a new case, I suppose. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Valentineās Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:00:21 -0600 From: "Richard Corliss" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime To: "Daniel Pliskin" , Message-ID: <001c01c74173$d957c180$29355747@roc.mn.charter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The roughing up treatment is not what the Slide Doctor recommends. He recommends just a water based brass cleaner. After the Teflon treatment I found that using just liquid silicone, as in SuperSlick, without anything else is enough. That way one avoids the creams, and the problem of their build up, and one does not need any spray bottle. When the liquid silicone starts to wear out a little spray can help extend its use but it is time to use your cleaning rod and another couple of drops of silicone. Richard Corliss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] oil/trombotine lifetime > > >After a little bit of investigation I discovered that AutoFom is apparently > >a Teflon polymar recommeded by the Slide Doctor. It is found in SuperSlide > >which can be purchased through this site: > >http://www.tromboneslide.com/index1.htm . He recommends that the the inner > >part of the outer slides first be cleaned by a water based brass cleaner, > >such as Wrights Brass polish, and then add the polymar by a cloth moistened > >with the polymar. Don't confuse SuperSlide with the lubricant Super Slide > >put out by REKA. > > > The SuperSlide people want you to rough up the inside of your slide, before > using their Teflon treatment. I wouldn't do that. When I tried it, I > roughed up the slide, using the coarsest buffing compound I would ever use > on a trombone slide. Then I tried their treatment. > > Initially the slide was pretty bad. Then it became reasonably good. But it > never became better than any of the non-treated slides I've worked on. > > .and the stuff was expensive, too. > > My feeling is that if your slide tubes are clean, smooth, straight, parallel > and aligned, almost any lubricant will work well. That's why I went back to > that tube of Trombotine, I had kicking around. > > It's an odd twist of fate. I'm the guy who spent all of his free time > trying to buy or make that ideal mouthpiece to go with my ideal trombone. > Now that I've got the trombone I wanted and the mouthpiece I wanted, I no > longer care about equipment. > > .well, I could use a new case, I suppose. > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:58:18 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jazz Bakery To: crtune@adelphia.net, TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU, sabutin@mindspring.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I heard a wonderful lecture about Ebonics, a few years ago. Evidently, the syntax, used in Ebonics, is identical to the syntax used in West African languages. If thatās true, we have a culture which is still influenced by their African roots and that means that theyāre also still influenced by having been enslaved and later kept as second-class citizens, in this country. Now, my ancestors were hunted for sport, during pogroms, in Russia, so Iām not going to say that everyone who has a less than ideal heritage should be given special treatment. But I would like to quote what Colin Powell said about Iraq, ćWe broke it·we bought it.ä We also ćBrokeä the Africans that we brought over hear to be our slaves. And as a country, weāre responsible for what has become of them. But more importantly, the more we think that itās their problem, not our problem, the more it becomes our problem. When you compare what weāre spending for prisons, in this country, vs. what it would cost to give every child a good education, itās shameful. Enough! Itās time to practice. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 26 ******************************************