Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 20 Date: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 20 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. using valve oil as a slide lubricant (Richard Lee) 2. Re: using valve oil as a slide lubricant (Simon G. P. Bailey) 3. Re: using valve oil as a slide lubricant (Jason Smith) 4. Re: George Roberts (JFBermann@aol.com) 5. Re: using valve oil as a slide lubricant (Eric & Candice Swanson) 6. Re: using valve oil as a slide lubricant (Daniel Pliskin) 7. George Roberts (Charles Levine) 8. Sam Burtis w/The Giants of Latin Jazz-Chicago, Sat., Feb 4 (sabutin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:25:11 -0800 From: "Richard Lee" Subject: [Trombone-l] using valve oil as a slide lubricant To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <9f914aed0701191025o31421683vd0d6cbfb9c5c9d4d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This issue has been coming up frequently over the past few months, so I thought I'd throw this out to the L: Do you use valve oil (Al Cass or other) on your slide? I have always been a proponent of either slide cream or slide-o-mix, but never valve oil. Yes, it can work, but my understanding is that it was never meant to be used on a trombone slide. I use valve oil to lubricate valves and I use it on my tuba tuning slides (especially the first one, as that is frequently moved to adjust pitch). I think band directors and students get confused when they see "valve, key and slide oil" on the bottle, so they just put it on their trombone slide. When I see/hear of students putting valve oil on their slide, I immediately tell them to use Trombotine or Slide-o-Mix instead, as they will give better results in terms of slide action (and they won't smell either). Thanks for your input! -- Rich Lee Bass Trombone/Tuba bassboneage@gmail.com http://www.friendster.com/profiles/richlee (650) 455-1308 cell ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:44:35 +0100 From: "Simon G. P. Bailey" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] using valve oil as a slide lubricant To: Richard Lee Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Do you use valve oil (Al Cass or other) on your slide? > > I have always been a proponent of either slide cream or slide-o- > mix, but > never valve oil. Yes, it can work, but my understanding is that it > was > never meant to be used on a trombone slide. I use valve oil to > lubricate > valves and I use it on my tuba tuning slides (especially the first > one, as > that is frequently moved to adjust pitch). I think band directors and > students get confused when they see "valve, key and slide oil" on the > bottle, so they just put it on their trombone slide. When I see/ > hear of > students putting valve oil on their slide, I immediately tell them > to use > Trombotine or Slide-o-Mix instead, as they will give better results > in terms > of slide action (and they won't smell either). this may be totally unrelated and non-symptomatic, but on one really sticky slide i've got i use trombotine and added a dash of valve oil. all of a sudden the slide was great. it wore off fairly soon though, and i didn't want to waste too much oil on it, but it did work for a bit. rambling, sb ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:08:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Smith Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] using valve oil as a slide lubricant To: "Simon G. P. Bailey" , bone list Message-ID: <909968.26674.qm@web35007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I recommend to my "young" students to at first use oil because it is really easy to get too much cream on and make things worse. --- "Simon G. P. Bailey" wrote: > > Do you use valve oil (Al Cass or other) on your > slide? > > > > I have always been a proponent of either slide > cream or slide-o- > > mix, but > > never valve oil. Yes, it can work, but my > understanding is that it > > was > > never meant to be used on a trombone slide. I use > valve oil to > > lubricate > > valves and I use it on my tuba tuning slides > (especially the first > > one, as > > that is frequently moved to adjust pitch). I > think band directors and > > students get confused when they see "valve, key > and slide oil" on the > > bottle, so they just put it on their trombone > slide. When I see/ > > hear of > > students putting valve oil on their slide, I > immediately tell them > > to use > > Trombotine or Slide-o-Mix instead, as they will > give better results > > in terms > > of slide action (and they won't smell either). > > this may be totally unrelated and non-symptomatic, > but on one really > sticky slide i've got i use trombotine and added a > dash of valve oil. > all of a sudden the slide was great. it wore off > fairly soon though, > and i didn't want to waste too much oil on it, but > it did work for a > bit. > > rambling, > sb > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:18:59 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] George Roberts To: chardy2@totcon.com, Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Charlie, George made a nifty recording of what I would call a legit piece called 5 Pieces For Bass Trombone that Nelson Riddle wrote for him. It's scored for brass quintet, 2 trumpets, horn, bass trombone and tuba. It's quasi contemporary sounding, more legit to my ears than commercial but a great chart. Dick Noel had produced the recording which has been long defunct although there may be a copy floating around. George sounds great as usual! I also was caught off guard when I looked at the personnel on the original Ben Hur soundtrack, there was George in the trombone section, great stuff! Happy New Year!, Jim ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:13:00 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] using valve oil as a slide lubricant To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <45B1264C.6040905@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Richard Lee wrote: >This issue has been coming up frequently over the past few months, so I >thought I'd throw this out to the L: > >Do you use valve oil (Al Cass or other) on your slide? > > > Richard, Absolutely not. It doesn't work. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:56:36 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] using valve oil as a slide lubricant To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Do you use valve oil (Al Cass or other) on your slide? I use slide oil on my valve. I didnât want to use anything on my valve that I wouldnât want to mix with my slide lube. I started using BiNaK, but didnât like the smell. So I moved to silicone oil. I use it on my piston valves, too. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get Hilary Duffâs homepage with her photos, music, and more. http://www.live.com/?addtemplate=hilary&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:28:57 -0500 From: "Charles Levine" Subject: [Trombone-l] George Roberts To: Message-ID: <000601c73bc5$651612d0$06b01ad1@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone ever heard George Roberts play "claasical" solos ala Yeo, Vernon etc. It would be interesting! Charlie ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:53:05 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: [Trombone-l] Sam Burtis w/The Giants of Latin Jazz-Chicago, Sat., Feb 4 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all... Eddie Palmieri, special guest. This should be VERY good. Mainstream, living classic NYC Latin styles from a big band all of the members of which paid their dues for years in the NYC Latin scene and all of whom are still in their prime. Special. Other bands as well, starting at 2:30 PM 8:30 hit, 5 PM sound check. The New Trier High School Festival http://www.ntjazz.com/Jazz_Festival/ I can get a few comps. First come, first serve. Email me at . See ya... S. P.S. I get in at about noon. The Marriott near the school, I believe. Might have time for as lesson or two before the sound check. Get in touch. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 20 ******************************************