Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 5 Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 5 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Moravian Trombone Music for Easter (Fred Hudson) 2. choice between horns (ashton) 3. Re: choice between horns (JENKINS,JOHN J) 4. Re: choice between horns (Wayne Dyess) 5. Re: choice between horns (Jeff Albert) 6. Re: choice between horns (Eric & Candice Swanson) 7. Re: choice between horns (LarryL595@aol.com) 8. Re: choice between horns (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 9. Re: choice between horns (Daniel Pliskin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:36:51 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Moravian Trombone Music for Easter To: "Howard Lamb" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <000801c7302f$50b3b820$96e7eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes - One and the same J.C.Pf. - he was as much an entrepreneur as he was a musician -He founded and operated the Transylvania Music Camp - Brevard Music Center - Head of the Department and Band Director at Davidson College - Conductor of the Charlotte Symphony - and organist at the largest Pres. Church in Charlotte - all this at the same time when I was in college at Davidson. He later left Davidson and became conductor of the Jacksonville, Fla. Symphony without giving up any of the other jobs, but he was extremely jealous of his musicians. I played in the Charlotte Symphony for three years, but was no longer allowed to play for him when I started playing in the Charlotte Opera Orchestra which was conducted by one of his former star students!! In any case he deserves a lot of credit for creating the interest and providing the opportunity to experience classical music in the southeast. Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Lamb" To: "Fred Hudson" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Moravian Trombone Music for Easter > Wow! That name really takes me back. In 1961 or 62, I was at Brevard music > camp. Quite an experience for a country boy. We sat in Pfolding chairs, > played music from our Pfolders & swam in Lake Pfoliage. I really enjoyed the > opportunity. It kicked my playing up a few notches. Thanks for the reminder. > Howard Lamb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Hudson" > To: "Graham Middleton" ; "Trombone-L" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Moravian Trombone Music for Easter > > > > Graham, > > > > If the "Green Book" is the one I am familiar with it is arranged for full > > wind band instrumentation but there are many doubled parts so that groups > > of > > four or five brass voices can cover the harmonies. > > But ---be aware this is stretching my memory back to my undergraduate > > years > > in the early fifties. Our department head, James Christian Pfohl, was of > > Moravian descent and he organized the annual Easter Sunrise Service in > > "Old > > Salem" - the Moravian Section of Winston-Salem, NC. Small brass choirs > > would > > be placed on several street corners around the Old Salem area and the > > hymns > > would be played antiphonally and progressively by phrases. > > > > There is an archive of music and instruments at the Moravian Church there > > in > > Winston Salem but I don't have any contact information. I suggest you try > > Google or Ask.com, I know there is a lot of information on the internet. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Fred H > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Middleton" > > To: "Trombone-L" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:07 AM > > Subject: [Trombone-l] Moravian Trombone Music for Easter > > > > > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I was contacted my a Church today about possibly organizing some Moravian > >> Trombone ensemble music for their Easter service. I am familiar with the > >> large trombone ensembles ranging from soprano to contra, but it is > > possible > >> to do some literature with smaller instrumentation like soprano/trumpet, > >> alto, tenor and 1 or 2 bass trombones. What instrumentations are best? > >> I > >> have heard of the "Green Book", but I am not sure what instrumentation it > >> like. What pieces are interesting and fun to preform? Any with Organ? > > Are > >> there and sources where music is commercially available? Any info would > > be > >> much appreciated. > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> -- > >> Graham Middleton > >> Adjunct Instructor of Low Brass: Kenyon College > >> Associate Trombone: Columbus Symphony Orchestra > >> 114 East Burgess St. > >> Mt Vernon, OH 43050 > >> (740) 263-3372 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: ashton Subject: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <430735.14700.qm@web38209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 What would you chose between these http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YSL651-Professional-Trombone-Rose-Brass-Bell_W0QQitemZ110075550063QQihZ001QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Trombone-Professional-YSL-691_W0QQitemZ280066830205QQihZ018QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:19:18 -0500 (EST) From: "JENKINS,JOHN J" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <119393499.116441167967158452.JavaMail.osg@osgjas02.cns.ufl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii The YSL 651 is a .500" horn and the YSL 691 is a .509" horn, I believe. I'd personally go w/ the 691, because it is the result of more advanced and recent acoustic and constructional research. The 691 replaced the 651, just in case you're not aware of this. I'm not saying that "newer" is always better, but I certainly think that this particular case fits that generalization. It really comes down to what sound you want. The .509 will give you a slightly bigger sound. I'd pick this one if it were up to me. Good luck. John On Thu Jan 04 21:57:27 EST 2007, ashton wrote: > What would you chose between these > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YSL651-Professional-Trombone-Rose-Brass-Bell_W0QQitemZ110075550063QQihZ001QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Trombone-Professional-YSL-691_W0QQitemZ280066830205QQihZ018QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > John Jenkins University of Florida Grad Teaching Assistant M.M. Trombone Performance Candidate 118 MUB P.O. Box 117900 Gainesville, Fl 32611-7900 352-745-8185 posaune@ufl.edu []xxxx[]::::::::::::::::> "Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important." -T.S. Elliot- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:34:59 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: "JENKINS,JOHN J" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <12035378-A52B-42A2-9C48-A112582D998C@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Being a Conn man, I'd opt for Door #3. :-) Wayne On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:19 PM, JENKINS,JOHN J wrote: > The YSL 651 is a .500" horn and the YSL 691 is a .509" horn, I > believe. I'd personally go w/ the 691, because it is the result of > more advanced and recent acoustic and constructional research. The > 691 replaced the 651, just in case you're not aware of this. I'm > not saying that "newer" is always better, but I certainly think > that this particular case fits that generalization. It really > comes down to what sound you want. The .509 will give you a > slightly bigger sound. I'd pick this one if it were up to me. Good > luck. > > John > > On Thu Jan 04 21:57:27 EST 2007, ashton > wrote: > >> What would you chose between these >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YSL651-Professional-Trombone-Rose-Brass- >> Bell_W0QQitemZ110075550063QQihZ001QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Trombone-Professional- >> YSL-691_W0QQitemZ280066830205QQihZ018QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZView >> Item >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> > > > > John Jenkins > University of Florida > Grad Teaching Assistant > M.M. Trombone Performance Candidate > 118 MUB P.O. Box 117900 > Gainesville, Fl 32611-7900 > 352-745-8185 > posaune@ufl.edu > []xxxx[]::::::::::::::::> > > "Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to > be important." -T.S. Elliot- > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:20:03 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: trombonekid5000@yahoo.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Neither of those particular auctions scream good things to me. I get nervous when a seller uses huge block quotes from the manufacturers website. The 691 is missing the counter balance, but the starting price is ok in my mind. The 651 looks good, but is being sold by a store, not a trombonist, and the price looks a little high to me, although I don't know the Aussie market. They might not be bad deals, but neither grabs me in a good way. Jeff On 1/4/07, ashton wrote: > > What would you chose between these > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YSL651-Professional-Trombone-Rose-Brass-Bell_W0QQitemZ110075550063QQihZ001QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Trombone-Professional-YSL-691_W0QQitemZ280066830205QQihZ018QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:59:07 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <459DE92B.5050407@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ashton wrote: >What would you chose between these > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YSL651-Professional-Trombone-Rose-Brass-Bell_W0QQitemZ110075550063QQihZ001QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Trombone-Professional-YSL-691_W0QQitemZ280066830205QQihZ018QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Ashton, Some good advice has been given by John and Jeff. My opinion: The 651 is a quite old discontinued model that has been overhauled. Who knows what kind of shape the inner slides are in on a horn that old? Who knows how beat up the horn was before they over hauled it? They are asking too much for an older used horn (starting bid over $800 US). It is located in Australia (hassles with payment and shipping, etc.). It wasn't a very popular horn even when it was new (I was around back then). The 691 looks like a fairly recent one to me. Appears to be in very good condition. It is a very popular model that is still in production. I've played a few of these and I think they play great. Removable leadpipe is a plus. Starting bid is very reasonable. Horn is in the US (I'm assuming that you are). If I could buy it for $500, I'd buy it (bidding will probably go higher). Seller says you can return it within 30 days. I suggest you contact him to find out how much the shipping will be just to make sure he doesn't try to screw you on that. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:23:07 EST From: LarryL595@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 04/01/2007 9:58:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, trombonekid5000@yahoo.com writes: What would you chose between these http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YSL651-Professional-Trombone-Rose-Brass-Bell_W0QQit emZ110075550063QQihZ001QQcategoryZ620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Trombone-Professional-YSL-691_W0QQitemZ280066830205 QQihZ018QQcategoryZ16216QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have a YSL-651 bought years ago when it was being discontinued (for $150!). It is a good horn with a sound bigger than the bore size would suggest. Still, I think the price being asked is too high. I let my grandson use it for a couple of years and picked up another one on e-bay (3 years ago for about $400). I have no experience with the 691, but the price seems more reasonable. By the way, I traded in the e-bay horn at Dillon's (got $350 for it) towards a Conn 88HT and had the dents taken out and the slide re-aligned of the one my grandson used (abused?). Its almost as good as new now. Larry Lerner. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:45:28 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: swan325@earthlink.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Shipping from Oz could run you a couple hundred bucks. Depends on if you want to wait for 3-4 months. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:50:38 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] choice between horns To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Iād get the one, which had been run over by a bus. No, really, I only buy scrunched trombones on ebay: Then I fix them up. Since I like fixing trombones, buying a fixed-up trombone would be pointless, unless I wanted to play it. You donāt seem to want to play this trombone, or maybe itās for a promising beginner? You donāt care if the bore is 0.500ä or 0.507ä. You donāt care if the bell is rose or yellow. Yamaha makes a great machine, but does it sound the way you want a trombone to sound? To get that information, you either need to play it or you need to have dozens of trombones, in your basement, to grab different parts off of. 8?) DanP _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! 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