Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13 Date: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Different trombones and different mpces... (Alby Tbone) 2. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Rodger Hinson) 3. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Mike Caton) 4. Changing mouthpieces (Samuel Keyser) 5. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (jscot@ucalgary.ca) 6. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Mikel K. Smith) 7. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 8. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (mahler427@aol.com) 9. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Wessner, John) 10. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Barry Green) 11. mps & horns (Dean Hubbard) 12. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Wayne Dyess) 13. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (David Oliver) 14. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Phil Brink) 15. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Chris Dearth) 16. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (David A. Schwartz) 17. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Chris Tune) 18. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Eric Edwards) 19. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Bill Redgate) 20. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Doug Rowe) 21. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (David W. Buckley) 22. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Roger Hecht) 23. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Matmutt@aol.com) 24. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (John Burton) 25. OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/13/06 (Chris Waage) 26. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Atlbrvsnt@aol.com) 27. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Walter Barrett) 28. Re: Quiet? (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 29. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 30. Re: Different trombones and different mpces... (Steve Carr) 31. Yamaha SB5 silent brass question (Frank Doting) 32. Re: Yamaha SB5 silent brass question (Chris Tune) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:48:57 +0100 From: "Alby Tbone" Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Message-ID: <001601c6460e$014abec0$26a72c97@bimbo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, even when switching between large and small shank. Now here's the question: how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? and how many are of the loyal type? Just my interest. Greetings from Italy Alby Tbone Borio ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:54:08 -0700 From: Rodger Hinson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Alby Tbone Cc: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <44147C60.1020502@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm loyal. 6.5AL suits me across the entire range of tenor bores. When I finally get around to acquiring a bass trombone, I'll get a larger mouthpiece for that, but I use only the one mouthpiece size for tenor trombone. Rodger Hinson Alby Tbone wrote: > I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:53:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Mike Caton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, Alby Tbone Message-ID: <44147C45.000001.07020@UNDERCOV-700393> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Kind of a hybrid switch - normally I use a Bach 4C in my King 3B and a Bach 4G in my Yamaha 682G. But when playing lead or something screamingly high and loud, I use a Bach 12C. Mike -------Original Message------- From: Alby Tbone Now here's the question: how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? and how many are of the loyal type?/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:08:33 -0500 From: Samuel Keyser Subject: [Trombone-l] Changing mouthpieces To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1B1B5097-75C6-48C9-854D-AF30896BDADA@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I have a King Silvertone 2B and a King Gold 2B. I have two Christian Lundberg mouthpieces, one silver plated, the other gold-plated. You figure. Jay ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:14:05 -0700 (MST) From: jscot@ucalgary.ca Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "Alby Tbone" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1278.68.146.218.18.1142194445.squirrel@68.146.218.18> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >Alby - I use a set of Greg Black mouthpieces that all have the same rim, but different cups/backbores that suit the particular instrument that I'm playing. I use the Alessi series 5M on .547 horn, 6M on euphonium, 5ALM on small tenor, and A3 on alto. It works for me, but I know lots of great players who change rims for each instrument along with cups, etc. Jim Scott I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:55:01 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Four horns, four mouthpieces. 2B Silversonic - Bach 15C 3B Silversonic - Wick 6BY 4B Silversonic - Bach 5G Shires bass - Yamaha 60 Maybe it heresy, (or "cheating"), but as a casual amateur with limited practice time, I try to use the mouthpiece that maximizes my ability to do with each horn what it's best suited for. Mikel -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Alby Tbone Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:49 PM To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, even when switching between large and small shank. Now here's the question: how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? and how many are of the loyal type? Just my interest. Greetings from Italy Alby Tbone Borio _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:59:21 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: jscot@ucalgary.ca Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, Alby Tbone Message-ID: <20995893.1142197161227.JavaMail.root@web16> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Being an "extreme" doubler, I use a variety, but I try to limit the rims. I use a 4C on peashooters, a 4 on my medium bores, and a 4G on my large bore (I have a 5G kelly and other plastics for outdoors etc.) I use various iteration s of 1.25 rims on Bass. I strictly use a Perantucci 2A on Euphonium. I use a Yamaha 67B4 on Contra. I try to stick close to Mirafone C4 rims on bass tubas, and I use a special oversize Alex mouthpiece on my Alexander tubas. However, size matters less on tubas, and I have a variety for different situations. J.c. Sherman ---- jscot@ucalgary.ca wrote: > >Alby - > > I use a set of Greg Black mouthpieces that all have the same rim, but > different cups/backbores that suit the particular instrument that I'm > playing. I use the Alessi series 5M on .547 horn, 6M on euphonium, 5ALM on > small tenor, and A3 on alto. It works for me, but I know lots of great > players who change rims for each instrument along with cups, etc. > > Jim Scott > > > I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > > sizes, > > even when switching between large and small shank. > > > > Now here's the question: > > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > > > > Just my interest. > > > > Greetings from Italy > > Alby Tbone Borio > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:04:25 EST From: mahler427@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <65.56f5fbe1.3145e6d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I play a different piece for each instrument as well. No related mouthpieces in regard to rim style or brand, just what lets me get the most out of the instrument I am playing. Shires Tenor - Giddings & Webster Boreas Conn Alto - Bach 12C Willson Euphonium - Greg Black 4G -joseph frye ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:07:10 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not that it matters much anymore, but I have four mouthpieces for my two horns (a Bach 12/8 and a Bach 42) Two of them are Bach 6? As with a large and small shank. The other two are a Doug Elliot C-cup and a G-cup with 100 rims. Always the same rim, but I can move conveniently from laser beam to serious large horn. If that's not enough, I still have my I-cup that converts the 42 into a euphonium. (Making the mental transition is a little tougher, but when your head is aligned, you shouldn't have equipment that hinders you.) jw -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Alby Tbone Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:49 PM To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, even when switching between large and small shank. Now here's the question: how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? and how many are of the loyal type? Just my interest. Greetings from Italy Alby Tbone Borio _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:25:09 -0600 From: "Barry Green" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "Alby Tbone" , Message-ID: <001501c6461b$7116f8b0$6600a8c0@Boning4dollars> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I use a different setup for each horn, and sometimes switch between 2 pieces on each as well: jazz horn, .547 and bass bone. Barry Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alby Tbone" To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... >I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:32:55 -0800 From: "Dean Hubbard" Subject: [Trombone-l] mps & horns To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Giddings & Webster Choclatero on commercial bore tenors, bass trumpet and alto bone Schilke copy of a Mt. Vernon 5G for .547" ---small shank for euphonium & .525" bone Conn 3-B for .562" ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:34:17 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Alby Tbone Cc: Bone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I tend to stay with the same rim and cup when making a switch. My equipment is a Conn 88H-SGX, with a Conn 5GR mouthpiece. That is essentially the same mouthpiece as the the Bach 5GB that I use with my small bore tenor, the Bach 16-M. But great? Nawww. Just throwing out the slide and seeing how it blows! :-) Wayne Dyess On Mar 12, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Alby Tbone wrote: > I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from > one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:46:03 -0700 From: "David Oliver" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: , "Alby Tbone" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bach 7C w/custom backbore (< .500") Schilke 51C4 (tenor trombones, .500", .525", & .547") Schilke 58 (bass trombones) David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alby Tbone" To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... > I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:01:26 -0600 From: "Phil Brink" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "Alby Tbone" , Message-ID: <004501c64620$82a9ed30$6501a8c0@bigbox> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't know how common my "in-bwtween" solution to this is, but here goes: Schilke D6.0 on Edwards bass Doug Elliot hybrid, with 116W rim on a cup approximately of 5G or 4G size[Elliot G cup]; large backbore. Works for me, but probably not for anyone else. Bass is my primary axe. Phil Brink ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alby Tbone" To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... >I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:25:55 -0500 From: "Chris Dearth" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Message-ID: <000001c64623$eed7d640$6501a8c0@x2dearthy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Shires Tenor- Greg Black Alessi 5.5M, 5M for lighter stuff. I've been occasionally toying with a Black 4.5G-5GM lately. I will probably examine it more over the summer. Conn Alto- Doug Elliott 101F2. About a Schilke 51 diameter with a small cup and backbore. Chris Dearth Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony Adjunct Instructor, West Virginia Wesleyan ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:05:44 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <4414A948.7020308@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I switch, again and again .500 - Giddings and Webster Chocolatero Shires .547 - Greg Black 5G, and now trying 4G Shires .547 with straight neckpipe - Giddings and Webster Boreas Shires .562 - Greg Black 1-1/4 GM in orchestra; Bach 1-1/2GM in swing band. and two more, Bach 3 (19mm) for E-flat alto horn in hofbrau band and custom Warburton (33mm) for Sousaphone Alby Tbone wrote: > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:32:53 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "Alby Tbone" , Message-ID: <00a601c6462d$4b1e08d0$0300a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I'd have to describe myself as an adamant NO mouthpiece changing (I would only change from 11C/12C to 6 1/2 AL when I was jointly playing the 8H and the peashooter). Now I play Conn 6H, King 2B and Bach 16M all with the Chocolatero mpc from Giddings and Webster. It is similar to a 12C. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alby Tbone" To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... >I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup > sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:45:23 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "'Alby Tbone'" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <000001c6462f$093b5b50$6600a8c0@edwards> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I usually use my Botch 1G. SOMEtimes on commercial stuff I'll go to my Marcinkewicz 1.5 Geo. Roberts. But very seldom. Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Alby Tbone Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:49 PM To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, even when switching between large and small shank. Now here's the question: how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? and how many are of the loyal type? Just my interest. Greetings from Italy Alby Tbone Borio _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:55:02 -0500 From: "Bill Redgate" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "Alby Tbone" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alby Borio Wrote; switching from one mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, even when switching between large and small shank. Now here's the question: how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? and how many are of the loyal type? Alby; I double a lot and not just trombone or low brass or even just brass. Consequently I use whatever feels good that time. Every horn has at least two mouthpieces in the case - so as to give a choice dependant upon what ever may be called for. I'd list each mouthpiece for each horn but I really don't think you or anyone wants to spend that kind of time. Essentially each mouthpiece has it's own character and if that's the character I am looking for - that's the one I use. I have been known to change even within a gig. Hey, you asked. Bill Redgate Atlanta Georgia ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:38:35 -0600 From: Doug Rowe Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <4414BF0B.1080201@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have very similar setup to Phil: Schilke D6.0 on Edwards bass Doug Elliott 116M rim on a LB I cup w/an I 8 shank on a Conn 88h (.547/.562 slide) Doug Elliott 116M rim on a LB E cup w/an E 3 shank on a King 3B. I primarily play bass. The smaller horns are a little squirrelly when I pick them up right after playing bass--but my chops are such that, seemingly no matter how much I practice, switching rims is very disagreeable. Kiss my sound good bye kind of thing. This wouldn't be ideal for playing lead, or even principle in an orchestra--but I'm happy sticking with bass and 2nd parts. d. Phil Brink wrote: > I don't know how common my "in-bwtween" solution to this is, but here goes: > > Schilke D6.0 on Edwards bass > Doug Elliot hybrid, with 116W rim on a cup approximately of 5G or 4G > size[Elliot G cup]; large backbore. Works for me, but probably not for > anyone else. Bass is my primary axe. > > Phil Brink > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alby Tbone" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:48 PM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... > > > >> I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one >> mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. >> I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup >> sizes, >> even when switching between large and small shank. >> >> Now here's the question: >> how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? >> and how many are of the loyal type? >> >> >> Just my interest. >> >> Greetings from Italy >> Alby Tbone Borio >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:55:28 -0500 From: "David W. Buckley" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: "Alby Tbone" , Message-ID: <005401c64641$34037c20$094f8d18@hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As an aging amateur, I find keeping the same rim on my face helps. I use a Doug Elliot 103 rim for everything - with Conn 8 shank and G cup for my 88h for orchestra, change to an F cup for brass band; for my Bach 36 I use the same rim, still use an 8 shank with the F cup; For my Minick alto after much mouthjpiece testing, I ended up with the 103 rim, a C cup and a C shank. Seemed odd to me whem Doug recommended it but it seems to work - at leats my orchestra conductor is happy. Dave Buckley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alby Tbone" To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... > I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are switching from one > mouthpiece to another one when using different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/cup sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:56:33 -0500 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060312205218.01d1d600@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Alby Tbone wrote: > > Now here's the question: > > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > > and how many are of the loyal type? Shires .547 only (but two bells, 2RVE, usually; 2RVET7). I switch only long term, and only as a matter of evolution. Thus, in my recent chain, I used a Wick 5ABL for a long while. When it started to feel small, I went to a 5AL, and now play a 4.5 AL. These changes took place over a period of years. I rarely switch except in this fashion, which is to say that now I play just the 4.5AL. Roger Hecht ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:06:02 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: alby_t-bone@libero.it, Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <81.3793e721.31463b9a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Briefly: Size differential in my most-used horns is too wide to consider a compromise. My small horn is a 695 Yamaha matched with an old Parduba #4 that doesn't match today's models. My Bach Bassbone works for me with a Primeslde # 4. Typically I use both every week. There is some adjustment required going from one horn to the other. After playing a three hour gig on bassbone, I need about an hour of flexibility exercises the next day on the small horn to get anything resembling a decent tone or control of partials on the small bore. Similarly, I have to work to regain strength in the pedal range after a small bore session. I also use a Bach 1 1/4 GM occasionally, when I'm playing exposed higher range parts on the bassbone. I've been told you should play both horns and MP's every day if you want to double. While that seems to work in general, I find that it's also important to concentrate on one setup before a gig to get that embouchure tuned in. Larry Priori ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:12:33 -0500 From: "John Burton" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Message-ID: <2C761FD6AEB2B640BF5524B1DD167C9D5C37@centralstorage.johnburton.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It takes a great deal to pry me away from my Schilke 59. I've been fond of it ever since buying it, to the point I'm not sure I even want to trade MY 59 for a gold plated one! --==jb==-- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf > Of Alby Tbone > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:49 PM > To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Subject: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... > > I know there are lots of trombonists out there who are > switching from one mouthpiece to another one when using > different bores trombones. > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same > rim/cup sizes, even when switching between large and small shank. > > Now here's the question: > how many of this GREAT trombone-l are of the switching kind? > and how many are of the loyal type? > > > Just my interest. > > Greetings from Italy > Alby Tbone Borio > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:32:10 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/13/06 To: Trombone-L , brass_list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:30 AM CST on March 13, 2006. 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Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:55:31 EST From: Atlbrvsnt@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <268.75ab648.3146c5c3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I prefer to match the mouthpiece to the horn...I play a Greg Black Alessi Series 3 for large tenor and an old New York Bach 15C with my small one (a '55 Conn 4H). If, heaven forbid, I am asked to play bass trombone, I use a Schilke 58. I just don't like the sound I get, for example, on a small tenor with a big mouthpiece. Everyone's different! Tommy Thomas B. Cox Graduate Teaching Assistant UGA Music Education/Trombone ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:21:36 -0500 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Trombone Mailing List Message-ID: <6EDCDA9B-1B74-4068-B72E-978626006080@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Mar 12, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Alby Tbone wrote: > I also know a lot of people who prefer to use ALWAYS the same rim/ > cup sizes, > even when switching between large and small shank. I'm one of those types. When I started playing trombone, I was mostly playing bass trombone on a Schilke 60. Then, I started getting calls to play euph, tenor trombone, etc., so Scott Laskey (when he was still with Schilke) made me some mpces. for doubling that all have the 60 rim, but with different depth cups and backbores. It's definitely easier to make a small horn work with a big rim, than to try to use a small rim on a big horn. (Still, it may not be the way to go for everyone...) So, I use the 60 rim on everything, except on tuba, where I play on either a Bach 18 or Yamaha 67. Walter Barrett "I'm not a fan of facts. You see, facts can change, but my opinion will never change, no matter what the facts are." - Stephen Colbert Alto, tenor, bass trombones Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba Yamaha Artist/Clinician http://www.walterbarrett.com ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:24:47 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Quiet? To: dcoliver@msn.com, TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu, billdin@comcast.net Message-ID: <227.7cc77cb.3146daaf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Taking a nap?, maybe hiding in the basement as most of the east is under tornado watch. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:37:21 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: mr.dearthian@verizon.net, Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <266.7603241.3146dda1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Conn and Bach. use peashooter Bell Aire rite cup 44 when playing the high stuff and quite loud.. Carry a Bach 12 C when lip gets tired after an hour or so. When wanting better response in low registers with good centering and sound propagation I use a Bach 7C. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:00:20 -0500 From: "Steve Carr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Different trombones and different mpces... To: Message-ID: <001b01c646ae$d9145500$a80f0e0a@corp.scholasticinc.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Switching. I tried being "loyal", but found it limiting if you're going play from .500 bore down to basst trombone. Take a look at Doug Elliot's website. There's a list of who plays what MP and on what horn. His MP system is desinged with being loyal to a rim in mind. Steve Carr and for the record Greg Black 1 1/4 on Shire's Bass Laskey 50c on Conn 32h Laskey 54m on Conn 78h Greg Black JA 2 on Wilson Euphonium Greg Black custom MP on Bach 42b. This is a leftover from "loyal to the same rim" days. 1 1/2 G sized rim - sounds like a 5GS. ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:46:31 -0800 From: "Frank Doting" Subject: [Trombone-l] Yamaha SB5 silent brass question To: "TROMBONE LIST" Message-ID: <000601c646bd$cb106390$74b83542@hcctower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I recently acquired a SB5 Silent brass setup and have the following question: If I just but touch or move the cable going to the mute section, I get large static noise. This is a special cable which also carries power to the mute if I understand the literature. When I am in a stable playing position the unit works fine. Has anyone else had this experience? Regards, Grass Valley Frank ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:01:58 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Yamaha SB5 silent brass question To: "Frank Doting" , "TROMBONE LIST" Message-ID: <001401c646bf$d77450e0$0300a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original It is a special cable, but the noise you are hearing is the same one that occurs whenever a cable is "intermittant". This means that the contacts and connections are not perfect and when wobbled, they make a noise as the contact is made and broken many times in a row. This is common with cables. . .you could order another one and that MIGHT fix the problem, or you might have a poor set of contacts at either the amp unit, or on the face of the mute. Alternatively you could try to spray contact enhancer spray into and on the cable contacts. The problem with this, is that the newer, CO2 compliant contact cleaners are now able to "eat" plastic or cause "crazing" on some plastics. You have to test a bit somewhere on the plastic before going for a full blast. The mute does not need power, it is a "passive" unit. The only thing in there (other than a highly effective baffle) is a mic, which is specially designed to pick up from the interior of the mute, perhaps this is what you read about from the manual. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Doting" To: "TROMBONE LIST" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Yamaha SB5 silent brass question >I recently acquired a SB5 Silent brass setup and have the following >question: > > If I just but touch or move the cable going to the mute section, I get > large static noise. This is a special cable which also carries power to > the mute if I understand the literature. > > When I am in a stable playing position the unit works fine. Has anyone > else had this experience? > > Regards, Grass Valley Frank > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13 ******************************************