Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 7 Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 7 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Where's my horn, etc. (Gary Sloane) 2. Practice with the experts (John Noxon) 3. Yamaha Euphonium (Larry Robinow) 4. Carl Fontana (Brennan Arceneaux) 5. Re: Carl Fontana (Fred Hudson) 6. Re: Carl Fontana (Ken Barnes) 7. Fontana & Dots (Jeff Thompson) 8. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Tom Izzo) 9. Re: Carl Fontana (Wessner, John) 10. Jimmy Cook Album (Bill Dinwiddie) 11. CBC series (Jamie Stager) 12. Re: CBC series (Peter Fielding) 13. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (sabutin) 14. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (sabutin) 15. Re: Carl Fontana (Wayne Dyess) 16. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (sabutin) 17. King serial number (dajohansen@i-55.com) 18. Philly tuba job winner (Eric & Candice Swanson) 19. Re: King serial number (Eric & Candice Swanson) 20. Louisville Orchestra (Raymond Horton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Sloane Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Where's my horn, etc. To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060306184949.27079.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To all who were offended by my airing a previously private correspondence with another member: my apologies. Unfortunately, this is the only way I know of, after months of unanswered cordial and private emails and phone messages, to get a response. If you know a better way, please feel free to share it with me offline. A few people had things to say about me or my character. I'm guessing they've confused me with somebody else, but I'll ask them about it privately. Sorry for the noise. Now it's time for long tones, and, BTW, I too like the Best Brass warm-up mute. Gary Sloane gary.sloane@sun.com (650) 352-8479 gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net (650) 743-6360 "We can be absolutely certain only about those things we do not understand." --Eric Hoffer ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:06:00 -0800 From: "John Noxon" Subject: [Trombone-l] Practice with the experts To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 HI Someone had mentioned that the second version of Pratice With The Experts, called "The Complete Practice Book for Trombone" was available through RBC Publications. Well I ordered the book from them, the website price sez $12.00, I got the books and the invoice sez $18.95? I called this morning and talked to the bookeeper, and she really took care of business. She gave me a credit of $6.95 per book, I ordered 2, and put the credit back on my card! WOW excellent customer service for a change! I kind of expected to have a fight on my hands to get the credit but did not have one at all. I think people often don't give credit where it is due. Definitely due here, they handle a bad situation very nicely. Greta place to do business with. They do have some good trombone stuff and some unusual things. There are a few arrangements available through them of pieces Dick Nash did. The also have some full band and orchestra trombone features as well. Nice place to do business. j ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:12:20 -0800 From: Larry Robinow Subject: [Trombone-l] Yamaha Euphonium To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I know it is hearsay to speak or write about euphonium..But,I have one for sale..It's a Yamaha 321, 4 valve, brass lacquer. with case.. The lacquer is off in places, but the horn plays well and would be an excellent instrument for a student. I can send picture and am asking $700 plus shipping from Tustin, CA 92782. If interestted, your can e mail me at larnric@cox.net or call on my cell 714-309-6243. Larry Robinow 13302 Tiburon Way Tustin, CA 92782 phone 714-838-4771 fax 714-832-7020 cell 714-309-6243 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:58:21 -0600 From: Brennan Arceneaux Subject: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <440CA26D.5000600@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Is there a recording of Carl Fontana playing the Bill Holman Polka Dots and Moonbeams with Kenton's band? Or anyone's band for that matter? Thanks Brennan Arceneaux ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:22:43 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana To: "Brennan Arceneaux" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <003b01c6416c$7faf34e0$c0e7eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brennan, He recorded it with a 4 piece back-up group on "The Great Fontana" Uptown Records UPCD 27.28 a studio recording in 1985. I have no idea whether the recording is still available. I would love to hear it with Kenton or any big band if that should turn up. Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brennan Arceneaux" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana > Is there a recording of Carl Fontana playing the Bill Holman Polka Dots > and Moonbeams with Kenton's band? Or anyone's band for that matter? > > Thanks > Brennan Arceneaux > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:44:06 -0600 From: "Ken Barnes" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana To: "Trombone-L" , "Brennan Arceneaux" Message-ID: <003501c6416f$7ab02fa0$6601a8c0@D5RNQT71> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, there is. It was recorded with the Kenton band *at least* once, on a live (LP) recording of a concert done in London, about '55 or '56, I think. I have it -- somewhere. Will have to dig it out to come up with the exact title. He also recorded a shortened version of it on a 1961 album done by the Jimmy Cook band out of Las Vegas, title of the album being "Jimmy Cook: The Best New Band of the Year." Magnificent playing on that version, with a remarkably different approach than on the earlier recording. Now this Holman treatment is a different animal, altogether, from PD&MB on the "Great Fontana" recording mentioned by Fred (wonderful! actually maybe my favorite of all Carl's playing), but in the GF rendition, you can hear hints of the earlier recordings, especially as done with Jimmy Cook. I have a pretty poor mp3 of the JC version, taken from my very well-worn and scratchy vinyl, which I'll send you if you like. ...and if anyone has a better copy of it...or a CD, or the original LP, I would pay rather handsomely for it.. (;^>) well... reasonably handsomely, anyway.... kb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brennan Arceneaux" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana > Is there a recording of Carl Fontana playing the Bill Holman Polka Dots > and Moonbeams with Kenton's band? Or anyone's band for that matter? > > Thanks > Brennan Arceneaux > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 3/6/2006 > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:21:19 -0500 From: Jeff Thompson <7cuh-asb6@spamex.com> Subject: [Trombone-l] Fontana & Dots To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200603062331.k26NVRu3006750@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Carl Fontana first recorded Polka Dots & Moonbeams in a combo session headed by bassist Max Bennett for Bethlehem records in 1955. This session has been re-issued in CD form in Japan, and more recently in Spain. He also recorded it in a combo format for his album "The Great Fontana" done for the Uptown label in 1985. The big band version with the Jimmy Cook is the Bill Holman arrangement, recorded in 1960 in Las Vegas for Camden CAL 670. It was recorded at least 3 times with Stan Kenton, none of them were studio recordings. First from a concert in November of '55 at Penn State in PA. on something called Penn State Jazz Club LP. The second recording came from a performance at Royal Albert Hall in London, England on March 11 '56. This was put out on the Artistry label as Artistry AR-2-100. This was titled At Royal Albert Hall. The third recording came from a concert in Stockholm, Sweden on April 16, '56, released on the Swedish Radio label as a CD SJRCD-104. This CD was titled Swedish Radio Jazz Years: Stan Kenton and his Orchestra. I have never seen the Jimmy Cook LP or the Penn State LP. I believe the Artistry LP (actually two) was later put out on CD, but I don't know where to purchase it. I don't know where to find the Swedish Radio CD either. Regards, Jeff Thompson ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:01:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: Jeff Albert , Charles Levine Cc: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060307000154.1648.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Jeff Albert wrote: > Sometimes. > > On 3/5/06, Charles Levine > wrote: > > > > Yes/No? > > __ It depends. Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:51:19 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana To: "Fred Hudson" , "Brennan Arceneaux" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There was a big-deal NTSU version back in the early 70s. I remember reading it in grad school, but we never worked it up. (Mont. St.) jw -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Fred Hudson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:23 PM To: Brennan Arceneaux Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana Brennan, He recorded it with a 4 piece back-up group on "The Great Fontana" Uptown Records UPCD 27.28 a studio recording in 1985. I have no idea whether the recording is still available. I would love to hear it with Kenton or any big band if that should turn up. Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brennan Arceneaux" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana > Is there a recording of Carl Fontana playing the Bill Holman Polka Dots > and Moonbeams with Kenton's band? Or anyone's band for that matter? > > Thanks > Brennan Arceneaux > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:14:00 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] Jimmy Cook Album To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <001f01c64195$2e7cc820$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ken Barnes wrote: "He also recorded a shortened version of it on a 1961 album done by the Jimmy Cook band out of Las Vegas, title of the album being "Jimmy Cook: The Best New Band of the Year." ******************************************************************** This album made a great impression on me when I first heard it in the early '60s. I sure would like to obtain a CD of the original LP, if anyone has it and is willing to make me one. Thanks, Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:34:37 -0500 From: Jamie Stager Subject: [Trombone-l] CBC series To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Cc: Dietlind and Brad , Phil & Linda Olinski Message-ID: <6b4903bfbb1681134f17e09cc0a88a6c@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi everyone. A little plug to Canadian and northern US list members: I had the wonderful opportunity to play on the soundtrack of Ken Finkleman's new six-part series "At the Hotel", which starts tomorrow night on CBC-TV at 9 pm. The series looks like excellent viewing - sharp, witty, and quirky. Scored by Rob Carli, the music for this series is very eclectic, ranging from opera to jazz, tango to 50's doo-wop. And, as an added bonus, some tasty trombone moments! I have no idea if all of the trombone passages are evenly distributed across the six weeks, but there are several nice bits to keep an ear out for. Hope you're all doing well. Jamie Stager Freelance Trombonist Toronto, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:42:48 -0500 From: "Peter Fielding" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] CBC series To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Greetings, For those of you interested in listening to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation radio, they broadcast over the web: http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html (english) http://www.radio-canada.ca/radio/ (francais) Many different stations (regional-national) & it's all free (and commercial-free)! (esp. CBC Radio 2 & Espace Musique) Enjoy! -Peter On 3/6/06, Jamie Stager wrote: > Hi everyone. > > A little plug to Canadian and northern US list members: > > I had the wonderful opportunity to play on the soundtrack of Ken > Finkleman's new six-part series "At the Hotel", which starts tomorrow > night on CBC-TV at 9 pm. The series looks like excellent viewing - > sharp, witty, and quirky. > > Scored by Rob Carli, the music for this series is very eclectic, > ranging from opera to jazz, tango to 50's doo-wop. And, as an added > bonus, some tasty trombone moments! I have no idea if all of the > trombone passages are evenly distributed across the six weeks, but > there are several nice bits to keep an ear out for. > > Hope you're all doing well. > > Jamie Stager > Freelance Trombonist > Toronto, Ontario, Canada -- Peter Fielding tel. 413.203.4471 fax. 413 545 2092 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:45:39 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" No Richard...he's right. I have not been taking care of business. Sam >Mr Sloane, > >I am offended that you have used me (as a member of the list) to >involve me in you personal business with another list member. I >understand your frustration, but IMHO, there is no way that a full >vetting of the facts would be appropriate for the list. I feel like >you have used the list to "strong-arm" another member into complying >with your request. And the request may be valid, but this is not an >appropriate way to seek remedy. > >Offended, >Richard > > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:47:21 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Richard, >> Did you read Sabutin's response? >> His explanation is crap. >> How hard is it to put a check in the mail? >> I disagree with you Richard. Gary needs to get paid and we all need to >> know > not to deal with Sabutin because of his questionably business >> ethics. If posting > here allows Gary to finally get his money, it is fine >> by me. >> >> >Well hello there, it's the biggest wind-up merchant in the business back >online! Just when we'd all assumed he'd got bird flu and had started to >celebrate. Ah well, I suppose you can't have everything. Bet he never once >considered trading with Sam. > >Another reason not to air private grievances on the list: it encourages all >the crud out of the woodwork. Yup. Sam > >Cheers! > >Keith in Bb/F/D >Bass Trombone >St Albans Symphony Orchestra >Page Three Big Band > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 00:51:00 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carl Fontana To: Brennan Arceneaux Cc: Bone List Message-ID: <7b7ca5f012ac2626db04b2da181224ac@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We just so happen to be hosting BILL HOLMAN with our jazz band tomorrow night. He doesn't play anymore, but he is still writing up a storm. Geez... makes me wish I had programmed that great classic. And I have to add that he is a total gentleman. My jazz band went to another level for him in tonight's dress rehearsal. It don't get much better than that! --Wayne Dyess Lamar University Beaumont, Texas On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Brennan Arceneaux wrote: > Is there a recording of Carl Fontana playing the Bill Holman Polka Dots > and Moonbeams with Kenton's band? Or anyone's band for that matter? > > Thanks > Brennan Arceneaux > I know that doesn't answer your question, but I am just so excited... I had to tell somebody! ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:27:26 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Sam, > I really appreciate the way you have behaved like a gentleman >through all of this. That is all too rare these days. > >Paul Kemp A gentleman who feels somewhat like a fool. I'll tell you, Paul. When I play badly, there is nowhere to hide. I simply have to go back to the woodshed and get my act together once again. And it is almost ALWAYS my fault. I shucked on practicing, didn't take care of myself physically the way I should, took work for which I was not the right person, took too MUCH work....something. And it is right out in public. Well, I didn't take care of business here...in this whole Trombone Store thing, really...and one of the results of my not taking care of business is is right out in public. Just like when I don't play as well as I should. So it goes. I bit off more than I could chew...at least more than I could chew without giving up things that were MORE important to me (because there is only so much time in as day, a week, a month, a year...) and I admit it. So it goes, and back to the woodshed. Sam ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:43:22 -0600 (CST) From: dajohansen@i-55.com Subject: [Trombone-l] King serial number To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <26519059.1141742602203.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List- A friend of mine just picked up a used King straight 3B. We're trying to figure out how old it is and the only number I can come up with is 2124. It's stamped on the hand slide handle where it's soldered onto the slide tube. It's also stamped on the cork barrel. According to the King serial number sights I've seen, the number would put this instrument in the late 1800s. That doesn't seem right as it's too modern looking. Does anyone know where to look for the serial number? Thanks, Dave Johansen ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:51:15 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: [Trombone-l] Philly tuba job winner To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <440DABF3.8040800@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed A friend just sent me this article about the 20 year old girl that just won the Philly tuba job (yes that's right!). Pretty amazing! It is trombone related because it mentions Blair Bollinger, who helped her get an audition after hearing a CD of her playing. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/13965758.htm ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:56:47 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King serial number To: dajohansen@i-55.com Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <440DAD3F.8060003@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed dajohansen@i-55.com wrote: >List- > >A friend of mine just picked up a used King straight 3B. We're trying to figure >out how old it is and the only number I can come up with is 2124. It's stamped >on the hand slide handle where it's soldered onto the slide tube. It's also >stamped on the cork barrel. According to the King serial number sights I've >seen, the number would put this instrument in the late 1800s. That doesn't seem >right as it's too modern looking. Does anyone know where to look for the serial >number? > > > Dave, It will be a 6 digit number. Should be on the slide somewhere (I think the location varies from year to year) unless it is worn off. If it's a newer horn, it might be on the bell section, either on the receiver or maybe on the bell brace. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:49:16 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: [Trombone-l] Louisville Orchestra To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <440DC79C.4060300@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed For anyone who is interested in the threatened Chapter Seven bankruptcy on April 1 of the Louisville Orchestra and how negotiations have sunk to that point, see the excellent series of articles (presently four) by Drew McManus starting on this page: http://www.artsjournal.com/adaptistration/archives/2006/02/examining_the_e.html Here is the musician's site, which has our latest press release, released yesterday: http://www.savethelo.org Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, 1971-2006(?) Louisville Orchestra AFM Local 11-637 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 7 *****************************************