Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6 Date: Monday, March 6, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Denton Thomas) 2. Something wrong here? (Earl Needham) 3. Re: Of Contra-Bass Trombones (Derrick Parker) 4. Re: Something wrong here? (Matthew Stoecker) 5. Re: Something wrong here? (Fred Hudson) 6. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Chris Tune) 7. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Chris Tune) 8. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (John Monroe) 9. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Phil Brink) 10. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (John Monroe) 11. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Phil Brink) 12. Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (Gary Sloane) 13. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 14. Re: Something wrong here? (Daniel Pliskin) 15. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Michael Millar) 16. Re: WARM-UP WITH MUTE? (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW) 17. OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/6/06 (Chris Waage) 18. Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (sabutin) 19. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (richard.bartkus@cox.net) 20. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (David A. Schwartz) 21. Re: Who has my horn? (Bill Dinwiddie) 22. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (edneeley@juno.com) 23. Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (Keith Marr) 24. FW: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? (Eric Edwards) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:30:49 -0600 From: Denton Thomas Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <440B2E59.8060100@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I've decided it does funny things with my sound, especially if it's the first thing of the day. Only when necessary. Cheers, Denton -- DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com +1.512.680.7395 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:11:05 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060305121000.02668bc8@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Check out this King "Silvertone" -- something doesn't look quite right to me, but I can't quite put my finger on it -- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7395918590 Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:16:18 +0000 From: "Derrick Parker" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Of Contra-Bass Trombones To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <7d3c31060603051116j665dcbaeo@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "John Burton" Hi John Mick Rath has his new contra ready which was presented at ITF2005. Chris Stearn (Scottish Opera) has one and is very happy with it I think. Mick is at ETW on the Dillons stand. http://www.dillonmusic.com/ If not contact him direct: www.rathtrombones.com. Don't know what the dollar price is. Derrick P To: "Trombone List \(trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu\)" < TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Of Contra-Bass Trombones I'm toying around with the thought of buying a contra-bass to supplement my Bach Strad. As I've looked around, it seems the only contra one can find is the Miraphone MI57F Contrabass Trombone; yet I have heard and read that playing this particular horn is "like blowing into a trashcan" ... I've heard as well it would be better advised to find an "F" contra ... I'm wanting the horn mainly "because", plus playing in a trombone ensemble, I've found a bass trombone is doubling, or playing the Tuba part. If I'm going to play the Tuba part, why not a "slide tuba", and move to the contra. This would make the jump to a BBb the most likely, but I'm somewhat hesitant to buy one just to find I don't like it. So I come to this group of folks whose collective experience and judgment I respect. Whatcha think? If I'm out to buy a contra, what should I look for and where should I look for it? Thanks, group! ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= ~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:16:54 -0800 From: "Matthew Stoecker" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? To: needhame1@plateautel.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed No curved bell brace. This is a silver plated 606 student model. Matt Stoecker >From: Earl Needham >To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu >Subject: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:11:05 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: needhame1@email.plateautel.net >Received: from mailrelay.samford.edu ([199.20.16.53]) by >bay0-mc2-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 5 >Mar 2006 11:11:46 -0800 >Received: from server5.samford.edu (unverified [199.20.16.50]) by >mailrelay.samford.edu (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.425.10) with ESMTP id >; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:11:14 -0600 >Received: from timmy.plateautel.net (timmy.plateautel.net >[65.247.145.17])by server5.samford.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id >k25JBA8O012965for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 >13:11:12 -0600 >Received: from needhame1.plateautel.net >(206-113-016-054.plateautel.net[206.113.16.54]) by >timmy.plateautel.net(Rockliffe SMTPRA 7.0.3) with ESMTP >id for; >Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:11:08 -0700 >X-Message-Info: 0jbW5ANosZIVIUeAc6pFwFp3gxRUA6MnbJs6xS5lOwY= >X-Modus-BlackList: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu=OK >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 >X-BeenThere: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 >Precedence: list >List-Id: >List-Unsubscribe: >, > >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu >Return-Path: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2006 19:11:46.0818 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A5CF1620:01C64088] > > > Check out this King "Silvertone" -- something doesn't look quite right to >me, but I can't quite put my finger on it -- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7395918590 > > Earl > >Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > >Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" >on it) > >Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:20:37 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? To: "Matthew Stoecker" , , Message-ID: <002401c64092$46904260$a9e6eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also the "latter day" King logo on the counter weight - although that could be an "after market addition" if everything else checked out. My Silvertone has a friction fit receiver and no counterweight, but there are signs that it once had one. Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Stoecker" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? > No curved bell brace. This is a silver plated 606 student model. > > Matt Stoecker > > > >From: Earl Needham > >To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > >Subject: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? > >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:11:05 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Sender: needhame1@email.plateautel.net > >Received: from mailrelay.samford.edu ([199.20.16.53]) by > >bay0-mc2-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 5 > >Mar 2006 11:11:46 -0800 > >Received: from server5.samford.edu (unverified [199.20.16.50]) by > >mailrelay.samford.edu (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.425.10) with ESMTP id > >; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:11:14 -0600 > >Received: from timmy.plateautel.net (timmy.plateautel.net > >[65.247.145.17])by server5.samford.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id > >k25JBA8O012965for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 > >13:11:12 -0600 > >Received: from needhame1.plateautel.net > >(206-113-016-054.plateautel.net[206.113.16.54]) by > >timmy.plateautel.net(Rockliffe SMTPRA 7.0.3) with ESMTP > >id for; > >Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:11:08 -0700 > >X-Message-Info: 0jbW5ANosZIVIUeAc6pFwFp3gxRUA6MnbJs6xS5lOwY= > >X-Modus-BlackList: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu=OK > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 > >X-BeenThere: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, > > > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > >Return-Path: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2006 19:11:46.0818 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[A5CF1620:01C64088] > > > > > > Check out this King "Silvertone" -- something doesn't look quite right to > >me, but I can't quite put my finger on it -- > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7395918590 > > > > Earl > > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > > >Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > >on it) > > > >Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Trombone-l mailing list > >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:35:30 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: "Jim Preston" , Message-ID: <003001c64094$58b4a8d0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original When necessary. . .however I don't think there are really any adverse effects from using the Yamaha Silent Brass system. Even though the tone quality and representation of attack sounds and so forth are not exact. . .they are close enough that nothing about them would make me want to "tense up" or try and change anything. I'm not sure I'd want to say the same thing about an unassisted, plain sound absorbing mute (i.e. no amplification system). With the plain mute, I'd try and resist using it except when there is no other choice. My reasoning is that it gives you very little feedback as to how you really sound. I'm pretty big on feedback (the good kind. .not the stuff that bad sound guys come up with!). Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Preston" To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > Charles Levine wrote: > >> Yes/No? >> _______________________________________________ > > > I do if necessary - otherwise no. > > Jim Preston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:44:11 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: "Denton Thomas" , Message-ID: <004201c64095$8f1b3eb0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Also, I'd point out that "necessary" can come up unexpectedly. If you are travelling on a gig or clinic, or so forth, and you find there is no place which is sound proofed for you to warm up, you may now need to consider a practice mute. In doing gigs in Vegas, it always seems I'm time constrained such that late night is the only likely practice time. I'll therefore practice in the hotel room and I don't want to bug the neighbors through the all-too-thin walls. Thus "Silent Brass" time. . .gets so I don't have to think twice about this now. I make it a point to always have the Yamaha Silent Brass with me (it lives with all the other mutes in my mute bag). An added plus would be to carry the patch cords needed to plug this together with some audio source with MMO-type audio (e.g. Aebersolds. . .piano accomp parts on recording). Note also, that you can partly improve the sound of this system by attaching a top quality in-ear monitor, like the Ultimate Ears units. These are expensive, but they produce much better bass response and generally better audio quality than the ear buds provided by Yamaha. Doesn't do anything though, about the inadequate reverb on the Yam unit. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denton Thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > I've decided it does funny things with my sound, especially if it's the > first thing of the day. > > Only when necessary. > > Cheers, > > Denton > > -- > DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com > +1.512.680.7395 > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:09:25 -0800 From: John Monroe Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu, Denton Thomas Message-ID: <88A6D1B5-DCF6-4784-B50A-BB8B4B5486E0@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear All, At the last ITF my buddy Billy Robinson came upon the "Best Brass" mute for tenor and bass bones sold at slidebone.com. I bought one on his recommendation and use it often. It's pricey but has several big advantages: 1. It's light 2. It's got good frequency response from pedal tones through double F. 3. It's a tiny bit (a few dB) louder than the SIlent Brass, and a LOT less bulky. 4. It protrudes from your bell about a half-inch, thus providing possible travel protection similar to the styrofoam cone suggested by Doug Yeo. You can practice in a hotel room with it without disturbing the neighbors. 5. It allows you to warm up in a room with other members of your group without drowning out the conversation of the others. For an amateur player like me, who plays a lot of brass chamber music, this is a very nice benefit. It lets warmup and socializing go on simultaneously! You can check it out and buy it at << http://www.slidebone.com/ mutes.html >> John Monroe On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Chris Tune wrote: > Also, I'd point out that "necessary" can come up unexpectedly. If > you are > travelling on a gig or clinic, or so forth, and you find there is > no place > which is sound proofed for you to warm up, you may now need to > consider a > practice mute. In doing gigs in Vegas, it always seems I'm time > constrained > such that late night is the only likely practice time. I'll therefore > practice in the hotel room and I don't want to bug the neighbors > through the > all-too-thin walls. Thus "Silent Brass" time. . .gets so I don't > have to > think twice about this now. > > I make it a point to always have the Yamaha Silent Brass with me > (it lives > with all the other mutes in my mute bag). An added plus would be > to carry > the patch cords needed to plug this together with some audio source > with > MMO-type audio (e.g. Aebersolds. . .piano accomp parts on recording). > > Note also, that you can partly improve the sound of this system by > attaching > a top quality in-ear monitor, like the Ultimate Ears units. These are > expensive, but they produce much better bass response and generally > better > audio quality than the ear buds provided by Yamaha. Doesn't do > anything > though, about the inadequate reverb on the Yam unit. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denton Thomas" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > > >> I've decided it does funny things with my sound, especially if >> it's the >> first thing of the day. >> >> Only when necessary. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Denton >> >> -- >> DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com >> +1.512.680.7395 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:50:24 -0600 From: "Phil Brink" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: "John Monroe" , "Chris Tune" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu, Denton Thomas Message-ID: <004a01c640a7$30ce4b60$6501a8c0@bigbox> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Is the mute you mention the "WARM-UP" designed by Shinji Hamanaga, Japan? They look good but pricey? Oh my, yes! Phil Brink ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Monroe" To: "Chris Tune" Cc: ; "Denton Thomas" Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > Dear All, > > At the last ITF my buddy Billy Robinson came upon the "Best Brass" > mute for tenor and bass bones sold at slidebone.com. I bought one on > his recommendation and use it often. It's pricey but has several big > advantages: > > 1. It's light > 2. It's got good frequency response from pedal tones through double F. > 3. It's a tiny bit (a few dB) louder than the SIlent Brass, and a > LOT less bulky. > 4. It protrudes from your bell about a half-inch, thus providing > possible travel protection similar to the styrofoam cone suggested by > Doug Yeo. You can practice in a hotel room with it without > disturbing the neighbors. > 5. It allows you to warm up in a room with other members of your > group without drowning out the conversation of the others. For an > amateur player like me, who plays a lot of brass chamber music, this > is a very nice benefit. It lets warmup and socializing go on > simultaneously! > > You can check it out and buy it at << http://www.slidebone.com/ > mutes.html >> > > John Monroe > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Chris Tune wrote: > >> Also, I'd point out that "necessary" can come up unexpectedly. If >> you are >> travelling on a gig or clinic, or so forth, and you find there is >> no place >> which is sound proofed for you to warm up, you may now need to >> consider a >> practice mute. In doing gigs in Vegas, it always seems I'm time >> constrained >> such that late night is the only likely practice time. I'll therefore >> practice in the hotel room and I don't want to bug the neighbors >> through the >> all-too-thin walls. Thus "Silent Brass" time. . .gets so I don't >> have to >> think twice about this now. >> >> I make it a point to always have the Yamaha Silent Brass with me >> (it lives >> with all the other mutes in my mute bag). An added plus would be >> to carry >> the patch cords needed to plug this together with some audio source >> with >> MMO-type audio (e.g. Aebersolds. . .piano accomp parts on recording). >> >> Note also, that you can partly improve the sound of this system by >> attaching >> a top quality in-ear monitor, like the Ultimate Ears units. These are >> expensive, but they produce much better bass response and generally >> better >> audio quality than the ear buds provided by Yamaha. Doesn't do >> anything >> though, about the inadequate reverb on the Yam unit. >> >> Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denton Thomas" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? >> >> >>> I've decided it does funny things with my sound, especially if >>> it's the >>> first thing of the day. >>> >>> Only when necessary. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Denton >>> >>> -- >>> DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com >>> +1.512.680.7395 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:23:17 -0800 From: John Monroe Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: "Phil Brink" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu, Denton Thomas Message-ID: <1D740867-F688-4187-9D22-47E89D17A5A5@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yes, that's the one ... and it is pricey. Maybe the list members can talk Ivan the owner into a Trombone-L discount for a volume purchase! John On Mar 5, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Phil Brink wrote: > Is the mute you mention the "WARM-UP" designed by Shinji Hamanaga, > Japan? > > They look good but pricey? Oh my, yes! > > Phil Brink > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Monroe" > > To: "Chris Tune" > Cc: ; "Denton Thomas" > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > > >> Dear All, >> At the last ITF my buddy Billy Robinson came upon the "Best >> Brass" mute for tenor and bass bones sold at slidebone.com. I >> bought one on his recommendation and use it often. It's pricey >> but has several big advantages: >> 1. It's light >> 2. It's got good frequency response from pedal tones through >> double F. >> 3. It's a tiny bit (a few dB) louder than the SIlent Brass, and >> a LOT less bulky. >> 4. It protrudes from your bell about a half-inch, thus providing >> possible travel protection similar to the styrofoam cone suggested >> by Doug Yeo. You can practice in a hotel room with it without >> disturbing the neighbors. >> 5. It allows you to warm up in a room with other members of your >> group without drowning out the conversation of the others. For >> an amateur player like me, who plays a lot of brass chamber >> music, this is a very nice benefit. It lets warmup and >> socializing go on simultaneously! >> You can check it out and buy it at << http://www.slidebone.com/ >> mutes.html >> >> John Monroe >> On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Chris Tune wrote: >>> Also, I'd point out that "necessary" can come up unexpectedly. >>> If you are >>> travelling on a gig or clinic, or so forth, and you find there >>> is no place >>> which is sound proofed for you to warm up, you may now need to >>> consider a >>> practice mute. In doing gigs in Vegas, it always seems I'm time >>> constrained >>> such that late night is the only likely practice time. I'll >>> therefore >>> practice in the hotel room and I don't want to bug the neighbors >>> through the >>> all-too-thin walls. Thus "Silent Brass" time. . .gets so I >>> don't have to >>> think twice about this now. >>> >>> I make it a point to always have the Yamaha Silent Brass with me >>> (it lives >>> with all the other mutes in my mute bag). An added plus would >>> be to carry >>> the patch cords needed to plug this together with some audio >>> source with >>> MMO-type audio (e.g. Aebersolds. . .piano accomp parts on >>> recording). >>> >>> Note also, that you can partly improve the sound of this system >>> by attaching >>> a top quality in-ear monitor, like the Ultimate Ears units. >>> These are >>> expensive, but they produce much better bass response and >>> generally better >>> audio quality than the ear buds provided by Yamaha. Doesn't do >>> anything >>> though, about the inadequate reverb on the Yam unit. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Denton Thomas" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? >>> >>> >>>> I've decided it does funny things with my sound, especially if >>>> it's the >>>> first thing of the day. >>>> >>>> Only when necessary. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Denton >>>> >>>> -- >>>> DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com >>>> +1.512.680.7395 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trombone-l mailing list >>>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:29:26 -0600 From: "Phil Brink" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: "John Monroe" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu, Denton Thomas Message-ID: <000601c640bd$688f82b0$6501a8c0@bigbox> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I'll wait until K-Tel comes out with a clone! - Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Monroe" To: "Phil Brink" Cc: "Chris Tune" ; ; "Denton Thomas" Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > Yes, that's the one ... and it is pricey. Maybe the list members can > talk Ivan the owner into a Trombone-L discount for a volume purchase! > > John > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Phil Brink wrote: > >> Is the mute you mention the "WARM-UP" designed by Shinji Hamanaga, >> Japan? >> >> They look good but pricey? Oh my, yes! >> >> Phil Brink >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Monroe" >> >> To: "Chris Tune" >> Cc: ; "Denton Thomas" >> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? >> >> >>> Dear All, >>> At the last ITF my buddy Billy Robinson came upon the "Best Brass" >>> mute for tenor and bass bones sold at slidebone.com. I bought one on >>> his recommendation and use it often. It's pricey but has several big >>> advantages: >>> 1. It's light >>> 2. It's got good frequency response from pedal tones through double F. >>> 3. It's a tiny bit (a few dB) louder than the SIlent Brass, and a LOT >>> less bulky. >>> 4. It protrudes from your bell about a half-inch, thus providing >>> possible travel protection similar to the styrofoam cone suggested by >>> Doug Yeo. You can practice in a hotel room with it without disturbing >>> the neighbors. >>> 5. It allows you to warm up in a room with other members of your >>> group without drowning out the conversation of the others. For an >>> amateur player like me, who plays a lot of brass chamber music, this >>> is a very nice benefit. It lets warmup and socializing go on >>> simultaneously! >>> You can check it out and buy it at << http://www.slidebone.com/ >>> mutes.html >> >>> John Monroe >>> On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Chris Tune wrote: >>>> Also, I'd point out that "necessary" can come up unexpectedly. If >>>> you are >>>> travelling on a gig or clinic, or so forth, and you find there is no >>>> place >>>> which is sound proofed for you to warm up, you may now need to >>>> consider a >>>> practice mute. In doing gigs in Vegas, it always seems I'm time >>>> constrained >>>> such that late night is the only likely practice time. I'll therefore >>>> practice in the hotel room and I don't want to bug the neighbors >>>> through the >>>> all-too-thin walls. Thus "Silent Brass" time. . .gets so I don't >>>> have to >>>> think twice about this now. >>>> >>>> I make it a point to always have the Yamaha Silent Brass with me (it >>>> lives >>>> with all the other mutes in my mute bag). An added plus would be to >>>> carry >>>> the patch cords needed to plug this together with some audio source >>>> with >>>> MMO-type audio (e.g. Aebersolds. . .piano accomp parts on recording). >>>> >>>> Note also, that you can partly improve the sound of this system by >>>> attaching >>>> a top quality in-ear monitor, like the Ultimate Ears units. These are >>>> expensive, but they produce much better bass response and generally >>>> better >>>> audio quality than the ear buds provided by Yamaha. Doesn't do >>>> anything >>>> though, about the inadequate reverb on the Yam unit. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Denton Thomas" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:30 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I've decided it does funny things with my sound, especially if it's >>>>> the >>>>> first thing of the day. >>>>> >>>>> Only when necessary. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Denton >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com >>>>> +1.512.680.7395 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Trombone-l mailing list >>>>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trombone-l mailing list >>>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:03:34 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Sloane Subject: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: sabutin@mindspring.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060306040334.37864.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sam, When we spoke on the phone almost two weeks ago you said you got my phone messages and emails and that you'd mail the check Wednesday. That would have been February 22. If you have sent it, you might want to put a stop payment on it, because it's not here. If you haven't, I'd like to know why. (I understand it can take a long time for a horn to sell on consignment. That's not a problem; but if you were paid in November, I shouldn't still be waiting in March for you to make good on your end of the bargain.) Gary --- Gary Sloane wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:56:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Gary Sloane > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Who Has My Horn? > To: sabutin > > Sam, > > That's great, but $950 is too much > for that horn. If you send me $700, > I'll be happy and you can get some- > thing out of it for your time, etc. > > My new address is: > > Gary Sloane > 873 Bauer Drive > San Carlos, CA 94070 > > Thanks, > > Gary > > --- sabutin wrote: > > > >Sam, > > > > > >I left you a voice mail a little > > >while ago but haven't heard back; > > >maybe my cell phone garbled it > > >beyond recognition. > > > > > >In any case, I'd like to get this > > >piece of old business closed out > > >before the end of the year, if > > >that's OK with you. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Gary > > > > > > Gary... > > > > Sorry. been running too hard to stop. Plus the > guy > > was was out of > > town doing a bus and truck touring show. > > > > He gave me cash and a check in the total of $950 > > yesterday. I am > > going to forego my commission because I have not > > been taking care of > > business. Not with you, and truth be told, not > with > > the whole > > Trombone Store. Too much to do, and I let things > > slide. > > > > So...I'll deposit the check Friday, and as soon as > > it clears, I'll > > send you a check. Email me an address, and the > check > > should be on the > > way by midweek. > > > > Sorry for the delay. > > > > Sam > > > > > > > >--- Gary Sloane > wrote: > > > > > >> Good -- just let me know how it > > >> progresses, OK? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Gary > > >> > > >> > > >> --- sabutin wrote: > > >> > >Cool. > > >> > > > > >> > >What ever happened to my 2B? > > >> > > > > >> > >Gary > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Now in the hands of a young player in > NY...as > > of > > >> > about two weeks > > >> > ago...who is trying to decide if he wants to > > buy > > >> it. > > >> > I know him > > >> > well...he's trustworthy. > > >> > > > >> > S. > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >>I have it, and misplaced it in the > maelstrom > > >> that > > >> > is a free-lancer's life. > > >> > >> > > >> > >>It's safe, and it will be returned as soon > > as I > > >> > get back to NYC. > > >> > >> > > >> > >>He tried to contact me, but apparently his > > >> emails > > >> > got spam filtered. > > >> > >> > > >> > >>S. > > >> > >>-- > > >> > >>Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist > and > > >> > composer, the author > > >> > >>of "The American Trombone" and proud > > proprietor > > >> of > > >> > The Trombone > > >> > >>Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at > > >> > and/or > > >> > >>, email us at > > >> > >>, or call us at > > [718] > > >> > 796-4413. The actual > > >> > >>store in NYC is by appointment only. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN > > HORN, A > > >> > WEB FORUM > > >> > >> Lots of interesting discussions > going > > on > > >> > every day. > > >> > >> An > > >> introduction > > >> > to the site is available at > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> or > > just > > >> > come on over check it out at > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >-- > > >> > >-- > > >> > >Gary Sloane Menlo Park, California > > >> > gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and > > >> > composer, the author of > > >> > "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor > > of > > >> The > > >> > Trombone Store in > > >> > NYC. Visit us on the web at > > > > >> > and/or > > >> > , email us at > > >> > , > > >> > or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual > store > > in > > >> > NYC is by > > >> > appointment only. > > >> > > > >> > PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN > HORN, > > A > > >> WEB > > >> > FORUM > > >> > Lots of interesting discussions going > on > > >> > every day. > > >> > An > > introduction > > >> to > > >> > the site is available at > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > or > > just > > >> come > > >> > on over check it out at > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Gary Sloane > > >> gary.sloane@sun.com (650) 352-8479 > > >> gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net (650) 323-1638 > > >> > > >> "We can be absolutely certain only about those > > >> things we do not understand." --Eric Hoffer > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:12:27 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: Gary Sloane Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <27355256.1141618347850.JavaMail.root@web21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Not a good venue for this... I believe he's out of the coutry right now anyway... J.c.S. ---- Gary Sloane wrote: > Sam, > > When we spoke on the phone almost > two weeks ago you said you got my > phone messages and emails and that > you'd mail the check Wednesday. That > would have been February 22. If you > have sent it, you might want to put a > stop payment on it, because it's not > here. > > If you haven't, I'd like to know why. > > (I understand it can take a long time > for a horn to sell on consignment. > That's not a problem; but if you were > paid in November, I shouldn't still be > waiting in March for you to make good > on your end of the bargain.) > > Gary > > > --- Gary Sloane wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:56:13 -0800 (PST) > > From: Gary Sloane > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Who Has My Horn? > > To: sabutin > > > > Sam, > > > > That's great, but $950 is too much > > for that horn. If you send me $700, > > I'll be happy and you can get some- > > thing out of it for your time, etc. > > > > My new address is: > > > > Gary Sloane > > 873 Bauer Drive > > San Carlos, CA 94070 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gary > > > > --- sabutin wrote: > > > > > >Sam, > > > > > > > >I left you a voice mail a little > > > >while ago but haven't heard back; > > > >maybe my cell phone garbled it > > > >beyond recognition. > > > > > > > >In any case, I'd like to get this > > > >piece of old business closed out > > > >before the end of the year, if > > > >that's OK with you. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Gary > > > > > > > > > Gary... > > > > > > Sorry. been running too hard to stop. Plus the > > guy > > > was was out of > > > town doing a bus and truck touring show. > > > > > > He gave me cash and a check in the total of $950 > > > yesterday. I am > > > going to forego my commission because I have not > > > been taking care of > > > business. Not with you, and truth be told, not > > with > > > the whole > > > Trombone Store. Too much to do, and I let things > > > slide. > > > > > > So...I'll deposit the check Friday, and as soon as > > > it clears, I'll > > > send you a check. Email me an address, and the > > check > > > should be on the > > > way by midweek. > > > > > > Sorry for the delay. > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > >--- Gary Sloane > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Good -- just let me know how it > > > >> progresses, OK? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> Gary > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- sabutin wrote: > > > >> > >Cool. > > > >> > > > > > >> > >What ever happened to my 2B? > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Gary > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Now in the hands of a young player in > > NY...as > > > of > > > >> > about two weeks > > > >> > ago...who is trying to decide if he wants to > > > buy > > > >> it. > > > >> > I know him > > > >> > well...he's trustworthy. > > > >> > > > > >> > S. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >>I have it, and misplaced it in the > > maelstrom > > > >> that > > > >> > is a free-lancer's life. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >>It's safe, and it will be returned as soon > > > as I > > > >> > get back to NYC. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >>He tried to contact me, but apparently his > > > >> emails > > > >> > got spam filtered. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >>S. > > > >> > >>-- > > > >> > >>Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist > > and > > > >> > composer, the author > > > >> > >>of "The American Trombone" and proud > > > proprietor > > > >> of > > > >> > The Trombone > > > >> > >>Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at > > > >> > and/or > > > >> > >>, email us at > > > >> > >>, or call us at > > > [718] > > > >> > 796-4413. The actual > > > >> > >>store in NYC is by appointment only. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN > > > HORN, A > > > >> > WEB FORUM > > > >> > >> Lots of interesting discussions > > going > > > on > > > >> > every day. > > > >> > >> An > > > >> introduction > > > >> > to the site is available at > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> or > > > just > > > >> > come on over check it out at > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >-- > > > >> > >-- > > > >> > >Gary Sloane Menlo Park, California > > > >> > gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and > > > >> > composer, the author of > > > >> > "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor > > > of > > > >> The > > > >> > Trombone Store in > > > >> > NYC. Visit us on the web at > > > > > > >> > and/or > > > >> > , email us at > > > >> > , > > > >> > or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual > > store > > > in > > > >> > NYC is by > > > >> > appointment only. > > > >> > > > > >> > PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN > > HORN, > > > A > > > >> WEB > > > >> > FORUM > > > >> > Lots of interesting discussions going > > on > > > >> > every day. > > > >> > An > > > introduction > > > >> to > > > >> > the site is available at > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > or > > > just > > > >> come > > > >> > on over check it out at > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Gary Sloane > > > >> gary.sloane@sun.com (650) 352-8479 > > > >> gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net (650) 323-1638 > > > >> > > > >> "We can be absolutely certain only about those > > > >> things we do not understand." --Eric Hoffer > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:05:20 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Something wrong here? To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Check out this King "Silvertone" -- something doesn't look quite right to > me, but I can't quite put my finger on it -- I like the sound of bell flairs, which start their expansion early. King bell flairs usually do pretty well in that department. This trombone has a bell flair, which is pretty skinny until the last few inches. Whether thatās an older King or not, I probably wouldnāt like it. DanP ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:37:52 -0800 From: "Michael Millar" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: "Charles Levine" , Message-ID: <009501c640e8$7eb32da0$6401a8c0@michaelmmgb3j7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well, I guess that I'm in the minority here in the mute warm-up dept. - but I knew that. When I studied with Jeff Reynolds some years ago, he gave me a series of interval exercises, most with a dynamic grouping of mf-mf-FF-mf. He threw in an option of doing these in a straight mute. These (beginning with the mute) quickly became my regular "first notes of the day" routine. I would never begin playing bass trombone this loud open, and I certainly don't move huge amounts of forceful air with a practice mute (Hurts!), but somehow this routine blows out the cobwebs for me and sets me up for longtones or what have you. This is not for everyone, however, perhaps not for most. Michael Millar Valencia, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Levine" To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > Yes/No? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:02:25 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? To: Bob Woodard , "'Charles Levine'" , Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain In public, absolutely always. It is simple consideration for others and the group. It is part of the process whereby we turn the "ME" switch to the "US" position before we make music together. But if there's nobody to hear, never. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Woodard [mailto:bobwoodard@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 18:08 To: 'Charles Levine'; Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? When necessary. > Subject: [Trombone-l] WARM-UP WITH MUTE? > > > Yes/No? ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:30:05 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/6/06 To: brass_list , Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:28 AM CST on March 6, 2006. Scam/Fraud Alert: Please be cautious of offers by distant strangers to send you a high value (but counterfeit) cashier's check, and then have you wire the balance to them. The primary warning signs are e-mails sent with very poor grammar asking if you will consider shipping the item overseas. Banks will cash these counterfeit checks, but then hold you responsible for the funds when the check fails to clear. If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:36:50 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Not a good venue for this... > >I believe he's out of the coutry right now anyway... > >J.c.S. I'm not out of the country. I've been in bed with the flu. Couldn't get to the bank, couldn't do nearly anything for two weeks. Played my first gig tonight. Checks go in and out, and I am a LOUSY businessman. Too disorganized. Too much travel. That's why I got out of the business in the first place. I got paid in full in December. Not November. Twice. Because the first time...the guy forgot to bring the check. For real. (I HATE retail.) And by the time I GOT the damned check, put it in the bank and it cleared, I was into a month and a half of travel and work that left no time to do anything but play, travel, practice, eat and sleep. So now it's March, and tomorrow I'm out of town from 6AM until 7PM. Then it's Tuesday, and that's the day that I will finally get to the bank and see what's what. Provided there isn't a blizzard or some other damned NYC roadblock. Sorry, Gary. I shouldn't have gotten involved in the used trombone business in the first place, and I am digging my way out. Mea culpa. It's coming. And I STILL hate retail. Sam > >---- Gary Sloane wrote: > > Sam, > > > > When we spoke on the phone almost > > two weeks ago you said you got my > > phone messages and emails and that > > you'd mail the check Wednesday. That > > would have been February 22. If you > > have sent it, you might want to put a > > stop payment on it, because it's not > > here. > > > > If you haven't, I'd like to know why. > > > > (I understand it can take a long time > > for a horn to sell on consignment. > > That's not a problem; but if you were > > paid in November, I shouldn't still be > > waiting in March for you to make good > > on your end of the bargain.) > > > > Gary > > > > > > --- Gary Sloane wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:56:13 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Gary Sloane > > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Who Has My Horn? > > > To: sabutin > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > That's great, but $950 is too much > > > for that horn. If you send me $700, > > > I'll be happy and you can get some- > > > thing out of it for your time, etc. > > > > > > My new address is: > > > > > > Gary Sloane > > > 873 Bauer Drive > > > San Carlos, CA 94070 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > --- sabutin wrote: > > > > > > > >Sam, > > > > > > > > > >I left you a voice mail a little > > > > >while ago but haven't heard back; > > > > >maybe my cell phone garbled it > > > > >beyond recognition. > > > > > > > > > >In any case, I'd like to get this > > > > >piece of old business closed out > > > > >before the end of the year, if > > > > >that's OK with you. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary... > > > > > > > > Sorry. been running too hard to stop. Plus the > > > guy > > > > was was out of > > > > town doing a bus and truck touring show. > > > > > > > > He gave me cash and a check in the total of $950 > > > > yesterday. I am > > > > going to forego my commission because I have not > > > > been taking care of > > > > business. Not with you, and truth be told, not > > > with > > > > the whole > > > > Trombone Store. Too much to do, and I let things > > > > slide. > > > > > > > > So...I'll deposit the check Friday, and as soon as > > > > it clears, I'll > > > > send you a check. Email me an address, and the > > > check > > > > should be on the > > > > way by midweek. > > > > > > > > Sorry for the delay. > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Gary Sloane > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Good -- just let me know how it > > > > >> progresses, OK? > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >> Gary > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- sabutin wrote: > > > > >> > >Cool. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >What ever happened to my 2B? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Gary > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Now in the hands of a young player in > > > NY...as > > > > of > > > > >> > about two weeks > > > > >> > ago...who is trying to decide if he wants to > > > > buy > > > > >> it. > > > > >> > I know him > > > > >> > well...he's trustworthy. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > S. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>I have it, and misplaced it in the > > > maelstrom > > > > >> that > > > > >> > is a free-lancer's life. > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >>It's safe, and it will be returned as soon > > > > as I > > > > >> > get back to NYC. > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >>He tried to contact me, but apparently his > > > > >> emails > > > > >> > got spam filtered. > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >>S. > > > > >> > >>-- > > > > >> > >>Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist > > > and > > > > >> > composer, the author > > > > >> > >>of "The American Trombone" and proud > > > > proprietor > > > > >> of > > > > >> > The Trombone > > > > >> > >>Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at > > > > >> > and/or > > > > >> > >>, email us at > > > > >> > >>, or call us at > > > > [718] > > > > >> > 796-4413. The actual > > > > >> > >>store in NYC is by appointment only. > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN > > > > HORN, A > > > > >> > WEB FORUM > > > > >> > >> Lots of interesting discussions > > > going > > > > on > > > > >> > every day. > > > > >> > >> An > > > > >> introduction > > > > >> > to the site is available at > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> or > > > > just > > > > >> > come on over check it out at > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-- > > > > >> > >-- > > > > >> > >Gary Sloane Menlo Park, California > > > > >> > gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and > > > > >> > composer, the author of > > > > >> > "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor > > > > of > > > > >> The > > > > >> > Trombone Store in > > > > >> > NYC. Visit us on the web at > > > > > > > > >> > and/or > > > > >> > , email us at > > > > >> > , > > > > >> > or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual > > > store > > > > in > > > > >> > NYC is by > > > > >> > appointment only. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN > > > HORN, > > > > A > > > > >> WEB > > > > >> > FORUM > > > > >> > Lots of interesting discussions going > > > on > > > > >> > every day. > > > > >> > An > > > > introduction > > > > >> to > > > > >> > the site is available at > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > or > > > > just > > > > >> come > > > > >> > on over check it out at > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> Gary Sloane > > > > >> gary.sloane@sun.com (650) 352-8479 > > > > >> gary.sloane@sbcglobal.net (650) 323-1638 > > > > >> > > > > >> "We can be absolutely certain only about those > > > > >> things we do not understand." --Eric Hoffer > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:09:25 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: Message-ID: <20060306160936.VDHV25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mr Sloane, I am offended that you have used me (as a member of the list) to involve me in you personal business with another list member. I understand your frustration, but IMHO, there is no way that a full vetting of the facts would be appropriate for the list. I feel like you have used the list to "strong-arm" another member into complying with your request. And the request may be valid, but this is not an appropriate way to seek remedy. Offended, Richard ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:25:31 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <440C627B.7000200@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Richard, I'm sure both parties are frustrated. The list may not be the best place, but in the circumstances they've both conducted themselves like gentlemen in the exchange here. That was a nice, friendly apology this morning. I hope the transaction ends well. This unusual dialog can remind us that the business and the arts are safer, more ethical places when we know each other and have high expectations of each other. David > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:27:33 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Who has my horn? To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <000901c6413a$df4ecd70$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Richard wrote: "I am offended that you have used me (as a member of the list) to involve me in you personal business with another list member. I understand your frustration, but IMHO, there is no way that a full vetting of the facts would be appropriate for the list. I feel like you have used the list to "strong-arm" another member into complying with your request. And the request may be valid, but this is not an appropriate way to seek remedy." ********************************************************************************************* I must say that I agree. I would not like to see the list become some sort of vehicle for the airing of private grievances, or unresolved business deals. Those matters should be dealt with only in private e-mails between consenting adults. Sam has a good reputation here, and I would not like to see it further tarnished by inappropriate postings. The same should hold for any other members of the list. Private business should be kept private! Bill Dinwiddie ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:27:02 GMT From: "edneeley@juno.com" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: richard.bartkus@cox.net Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060306.082707.19235.418815@webmail29.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Richard, Did you read Sabutin's response? His explanation is crap. How hard is it to put a check in the mail? I disagree with you Richard. Gary needs to get paid and we all need to know not to deal with Sabutin because of his questionably business ethics. If posting here allows Gary to finally get his money, it is fine by me. Ed ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:35:22 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > ----- Original Message ----- > > Richard, > Did you read Sabutin's response? > His explanation is crap. > How hard is it to put a check in the mail? > I disagree with you Richard. Gary needs to get paid and we all need to > know > not to deal with Sabutin because of his questionably business > ethics. If posting > here allows Gary to finally get his money, it is fine > by me. > > Well hello there, it's the biggest wind-up merchant in the business back online! Just when we'd all assumed he'd got bird flu and had started to celebrate. Ah well, I suppose you can't have everything. Bet he never once considered trading with Sam. Another reason not to air private grievances on the list: it encourages all the crud out of the woodwork. Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:42:08 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <20060306164157.E42A9C800C@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh no, not this guy again!! Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of edneeley@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:27 AM To: richard.bartkus@cox.net Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Re: Who Has My Horn? Richard, Did you read Sabutin's response? His explanation is crap. How hard is it to put a check in the mail? I disagree with you Richard. Gary needs to get paid and we all need to know not to deal with Sabutin because of his questionably business ethics. If posting here allows Gary to finally get his money, it is fine by me. Ed ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6 *****************************************