Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 22 Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 22 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: eBay - Actors (Raymond Horton) 2. Re: eBay - Actors (David A. Schwartz) 3. Re: Sharman King's comments on Kanstul trombones (Matt Litwaitis) 4. Jeff Albert in Chicago 2/27-3/5 (Jeff Albert) 5. Gurrelieder in Boston (Gabriel Langfur) 6. Re: Kanstul (Keith Marr) 7. Re: Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing (Richard Barrett) 8. Re: Gurrelieder in Boston (Keith Marr) 9. Re: Sharman King's comments on Kanstul trombones (Keith Marr) 10. Re: Kanstul (Eric Edwards) 11. Re: Gurrelieder in Boston (Roger Hecht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:20 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: JFBermann@aol.com Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43FB65D8.8080605@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed JFBermann@aol.com wrote: >I thought they were like the Vargas drawings! :o) >_______________________________________________ > > If only! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:15:53 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43FB66E9.8090503@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Where is Vargas when we need him ? JFBermann@aol.com wrote: > I thought they were like the Vargas drawings! :o) > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:23:37 -0800 From: "Matt Litwaitis" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Sharman King's comments on Kanstul trombones To: "Sharman King" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <003a01c6372d$14a32510$6801a8c0@qwertyasdfg> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Hi Sharman, et al, We "Judge and jury" members remember the day well, and decided, after talking about it today, that our "anonymity" could be revealed. The two (sic) "...wonderful bass trombonists" were George Roberts (needs no explanation) and Art Perelman (long time studio bass trombonist) ... I was just doing the driving that day. (remember the grand tour?) It was amazing how your selections kept coming "closer" toward "that Sound" until, when you added George's leadpipe (the Kanstul GR 2), everything just slotted in place and "That Sound" popped out!! At George's suggestion, I've forwarded a copy of you posting to Zig Kanstul, whom, I'm sure, will be delighted to read your comments. If I remember correctly, the single rotor horn (Kanstul 1670) wound up being the same setup as George plays. Good horns need to be talked about. Regards, Matt Litwaitis mattlit@adelphia.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharman King" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > I'll chime in on the Kanstul bass trombone thread. > ... > I've played double trigger instruments since the mid-seventies, and I have > some pretty wonderful horns. But when I tried the three Kanstul > configurations at the factory with a "judge and jury" of three wonderful > bass trombonists, the "judge and jury" consistently picked out the single > trigger instrument as the best, with the dependent being second, the > independent being third and my then-current setup being a distant third. > My then-current setup is a wonderful horn that any of us would love to > have, but it ranked far behind the three Kanstuls in the opinion of my > testing panel. >... ... (By the way, I've been circumspect in not naming the players who >were kind enough to be on my taste panel to preserve their anonymity and to >not interfere with any commercial endorsements they may have. I'm also not >naming other brands because everyone should form their own opinions of what >particular instruments do for them.) >... ... > ************************************************* > Sharman King > 632 West Broadway > Vancouver BC V5Z 1G1 > phone 604 873 0661 > 800 929 5711 > pager 604 640 5711 > fax 604 876 5711 > sharman@bookwarehouse.ca > sharman@sharmanking.ca > sharman@istar.ca > ************************************************* > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:22:11 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: [Trombone-l] Jeff Albert in Chicago 2/27-3/5 To: Trombone List Message-ID: <184C4BAF-B39F-47E8-AE8E-3F000F090540@jeffalbert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'll be in Chicago from 2/27-3/5 performing in a variety of settings, all of which will include fabulous Chicago based trombonist Jeb Bishop as well. I have pasted the press release for the trip below. It has all of the pertinent info. Jeb and I will also be on WNUR Monday 2/27 about 9:30 am. I'd love to meet any Chicago area listers while I'm there. You can reach me by email (jeff@jeffalbert.com) or cell phone (225-303-6226). Peace, Jeff New Orleans-based trombonist and composer Jeff Albert (www.jeffalbert.com) will be in Chicago for a series of concerts from Monday, Feb. 27 through Sunday, March 5, 2006. The main focus of his visit will be a new ensemble called Lucky 7s, featuring: Jason Adasiewicz - vibraphone Jeff Albert - trombone & tuba Josh Berman - cornet Jeb Bishop - trombone Matthew Golombisky - bass Keefe Jackson - tenor sax & bass clarinet Quin Kirchner - drums Lucky 7s (www.jeffalbert.com/lucky7s/) is the brainchild of Jeb Bishop and Jeff Albert. In September 2005, shortly after Hurricane Katrina blew through Jeff's hometown of New Orleans, Jeb and Jeff were discussing the future. Jeff wanted to try to book some gigs for his group in the Chicago area, since it seemed that the regular New Orleans creative scene would be out of operation for some time. Jeb suggested a cooperative project involving Chicago musicians and players from the New Orleans scene. Wish lists were made and emails were sent, and a band was born. Lucky 7s will be presenting original material contributed by various members of the ensemble. We'll be playing the following dates in Chicago: Tuesday, Feb. 28: Empty Bottle, 1035 N. Western Avenue (773-276-3600), 10 PM. Friday, March 3: Ice Factory, 526 N. Ashland, (773-988-1447), 9:30 PM. Saturday, March 4: Enemy, 1550 N. Milwaukee Ave., 3rd floor (312-493-3657), 9 PM. Sunday, March 5: Hungry Brain, 2319 W. Belmont Avenue (773-935-2118). 10 PM. On Thursday, March 2, Jeff Albert will also present a quartet concert featuring music from his CD One, at: The Charleston, 2076 N. Hoyne (773-489-4757). The band for this performance will be: Jeff Albert, trombone; Jason Roebke, bass; Dave Rempis, reeds; Frank Rosaly, drums, with guest appearances by Jeb Bishop, trombone. 10 PM. On Monday, Feb. 27, Jeff Albert, Jeb Bishop, keyboardist Jim Baker, and percussionist Mike Reed will also appear at Silvie's Lounge, 1902 W. Irving Park (773-871-6239), as part of the Eight Million Heroes concert series (see eightmillionheroes.blogspot.com). 9:30 PM. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: [Trombone-l] Gurrelieder in Boston To: Trombones and related issues forum Message-ID: <20060222040106.57215.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm having the great fortune to participate in this week's Boston Symphony performances of Schoenberg's Gurrelieder. For those unfamiliar with it, Gurrelieder is a very early work by Schoenberg, in a very dense but tonal late Romantic style. It employs an absolutely enormous orchestra, with a low brass section consisting of bass trumpet, alto trombone, 3 tenors, 1 tenor part that clearly needs a bass trombone (me), 1 part marked bass, contrabass trombone, and tuba. The low brass players are: bass trumpet: Darren Acosta alto trombone: Ron Barron tenor 1: Norman Bolter tenor 2: Alexei Doohovskoy tenor 3: John Faieta tenor 4 (bass): me bass: Angel Subero contrabass: Doug Yeo tuba: Mike Roylance Performances are Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights at Symphony Hall. This piece is so huge that it doesn't get performed often - an event not to be missed! We'll see about getting a picture... ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:12:12 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: "Eric Edwards" , "'Earl Needham'" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The TR-181 in particular, in addition to constriction of bore through the valve, has a very circuitous route for the air flow at the valves. Why the aren't lower to provide a straighter route I can only assume is due to the design of the conventional rotor. It's a terrific instrument otherwise - great sound. I would imagine Thayers makes it even better. Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Edwards" To: "'Earl Needham'" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > Yeah, I had a trombone like that once. :) > > My TR-181's original valves were REALLY stuffy, then I had Thayers > installed. > Made a HUGE difference! > That is the idea, like we always talk about, behind the Thayer, Shires > Tru-bore, Lindberg and the Hagmann valves, you have a constant bore > through out the valve section. > It's not really the bends that create resistance, it's the constriction in > the rotor. > This is why on some horns, they play better open as opposed to valved. > > Thanks > Eric > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Earl Needham > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:25 PM > To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > > At 08:21 PM 2/20/2006, Sharman King wrote: >>Parenthetically, for >>decades I've also found myself producing a more musically satisfying >>result, particularly playing operas, if I avoid the trigger at all >>times, except for Eb and below. Does anyone else share this opinion? > > Oh yeah, in my (limited) experience, the Bass Trombone always > sounds more like a trombone when playing a note with the slide extended > rather than using a valve. Dunno why -- maybe just the result of more of > the tubing being straight or avoiding sharp bends in the valve, or > whatever. > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:12:51 -0000 From: "Richard Barrett" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing To: "'Daryl Burch'" , "'Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW'" Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060222151249.VEVS20368.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@your4a039e18d3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many thanks to everybody who has offered some suggestions on this - they have really helped focus the mind. As it's a civic wedding it seems there may be restrictions on 'religious music' but we are investigating this. Not that this is a problem for my friends as they are not particularly religious. The way things are heading at the minute is towards some light secular music with the choices coming from (drum roll) Summertime Wind Beneath my Wings Misty I'm toying with the idea of Everybody (loves somebody) from the Blues Brothers as its such a happy tune. Interestingly - no surprise here - the trumpet guys have a much better selection of play along music than we do. Only one of these tunes is from a trombone book! I'll let you know the outcome of the process later. Best wishes Richard -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Burch [mailto:darylburch@speakeasy.net] Sent: 21 February 2006 16:56 To: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW Cc: 'eliezer aharoni'; trombone-L@server5.samford.edu; Richard Barrett Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing I had to do this for my sister's wedding.... Most Christian bookstores (in the states anyway) have sing-a-long tapes/CDs. Just have to hunt down one that works. I ended up doing "The Lord's Prayer"--short, sweet, no backing vocals, hard as h$@#$---lots of long notes. Or you could just do an a capella version of "Besame Mucho" or something similar. If it's a _small_ party, why make it more complicated than it has to be. They want you to play because they want to hear YOU play at their wedding. I'm sure they don't care how you do it. I used a tape because of my phobia of standing up in front of 300 people I grew up in front of and not wanting to suck. Crowd of 10,000--no problem! Home church that's known me since I was in Huggies--big problem! Don't know why. Just the way I'm wired I guess. Best of luck! Let me know what you end up doing (off list if you like). Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Feb 20, 2006, at 11:06 PM, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW wrote: > It's all available if you don't mind typing. > > Take a music notation program and your accompaniment and make your own > CD. > > It's faster if you have a MIDI keyboard and good skills. I have the > keyboard but I'm faster with the mouse . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:richard.barrett93@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 18:38 > To: 'eliezer aharoni'; trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing > > On the subject of wedding music a friend has asked me to play solo at > their > wedding. Civic facility so no piano for accompaniment! It's a small > wedding party of about 10. I cannot get out of this so was thinking of > using one of those play along CDs. Any recommendations about what > might be > available in UK? > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of eliezer aharoni > Sent: 16 February 2006 08:10 > To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing > > Mentioning wedding music, I've just arranged Mendelsohn's Wedding > March in > Jazz style for 4 trombones and Tuba. This arrangement is for the coming > wedding of Hannoh Dayag (Atilla Hallas) Bass trombonist of Rishon > Lezion (& > Tel Aviv Opera) on February 23. > > Anybody interested in this arrangement - it's free of charge, but I'd > like > somebody to volunteer to host it on his website (I don't have one) > I'll send > it in PDF format + Midi file. > > Thanks & Best wishes > > Eliezer Aharoni > Former Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra > Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone Avilable from Hickey's > (USA) > Warwick, MusT (England) POB 4025, Jerusalem ISRAEL 91040 Phone ++972 2 > 5341333 cell 0524 868866 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:13:49 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Gurrelieder in Boston To: "Gabriel Langfur" , "Trombones and related issues forum" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Any chance of an internet stream of this performance? Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:01 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Gurrelieder in Boston > I'm having the great fortune to participate in this week's > Boston Symphony performances of Schoenberg's Gurrelieder. > > For those unfamiliar with it, Gurrelieder is a very early > work by Schoenberg, in a very dense but tonal late Romantic > style. It employs an absolutely enormous orchestra, with a > low brass section consisting of bass trumpet, alto > trombone, 3 tenors, 1 tenor part that clearly needs a bass > trombone (me), 1 part marked bass, contrabass trombone, and > tuba. > > The low brass players are: > > bass trumpet: Darren Acosta > alto trombone: Ron Barron > tenor 1: Norman Bolter > tenor 2: Alexei Doohovskoy > tenor 3: John Faieta > tenor 4 (bass): me > bass: Angel Subero > contrabass: Doug Yeo > tuba: Mike Roylance > > Performances are Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights at > Symphony Hall. This piece is so huge that it doesn't get > performed often - an event not to be missed! > > We'll see about getting a picture... > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:22:02 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Sharman King's comments on Kanstul trombones To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I know that George always played a single rotor bass, but for big band jazz he must've found some of the modern charts really awkward. I know I hardly ever use the 2nd valve for orchestral playing, but there are many modern charts in big band where I'm grateful for it. Also I've been playing a dependant system for about a year now, and miss the extra positions that independents give you. All power to Mr Nice Goy Roberts, but some of us are only mortal . . . Hence my query about the Kanstul 1662i. I like in-slide tuning and am looking for this combined with in-line valves. I think the 1662i is the only horn on the market with this layout, unless you have a custom job done. Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Litwaitis" To: "Sharman King" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Sharman King's comments on Kanstul trombones > Hi Sharman, et al, > > We "Judge and jury" members remember the day well, and decided, after > talking about it today, that our "anonymity" could be revealed. > > The two (sic) "...wonderful bass trombonists" were George Roberts (needs > no > explanation) and Art Perelman (long time studio bass trombonist) ... I was > just doing the driving that day. (remember the grand tour?) > > It was amazing how your selections kept coming "closer" toward "that > Sound" > until, when you > added George's leadpipe (the Kanstul GR 2), everything just slotted in > place > and "That Sound" > popped out!! > > At George's suggestion, I've forwarded a copy of you posting to Zig > Kanstul, > whom, I'm sure, > will be delighted to read your comments. > > If I remember correctly, the single rotor horn (Kanstul 1670) wound up > being the same setup as George plays. > > Good horns need to be talked about. > > Regards, > > Matt Litwaitis > mattlit@adelphia.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharman King" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > > >> I'll chime in on the Kanstul bass trombone thread. >> ... >> I've played double trigger instruments since the mid-seventies, and I >> have >> some pretty wonderful horns. But when I tried the three Kanstul >> configurations at the factory with a "judge and jury" of three wonderful >> bass trombonists, the "judge and jury" consistently picked out the single >> trigger instrument as the best, with the dependent being second, the >> independent being third and my then-current setup being a distant third. >> My then-current setup is a wonderful horn that any of us would love to >> have, but it ranked far behind the three Kanstuls in the opinion of my >> testing panel. >>... ... (By the way, I've been circumspect in not naming the players who >>were kind enough to be on my taste panel to preserve their anonymity and >>to >>not interfere with any commercial endorsements they may have. I'm also not >>naming other brands because everyone should form their own opinions of >>what >>particular instruments do for them.) >>... ... >> ************************************************* >> Sharman King >> 632 West Broadway >> Vancouver BC V5Z 1G1 >> phone 604 873 0661 >> 800 929 5711 >> pager 604 640 5711 >> fax 604 876 5711 >> sharman@bookwarehouse.ca >> sharman@sharmanking.ca >> sharman@istar.ca >> ************************************************* >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:04:59 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: "'Keith Marr'" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <20060222160351.746A4E3A45@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" You are correct to a point Keith, I believe the stock rotors are way too small for this horn. Naturally, some may disagree, but that's ok. For me, adding the Thayers made a good horn great. As I have mentioned, it's not really the path of the tubing that adds resistance, it's the constriction of the rotor ports that impede the airflow. If I remember correctly, it was Larry Minick that used an airflow meter to prove that building an open wrap didn't significantly increase the flow through the valve section. Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: Keith Marr [mailto:Mail@gothicway.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:12 AM To: Eric Edwards; 'Earl Needham'; Trombone-L Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul The TR-181 in particular, in addition to constriction of bore through the valve, has a very circuitous route for the air flow at the valves. Why the aren't lower to provide a straighter route I can only assume is due to the design of the conventional rotor. It's a terrific instrument otherwise - great sound. I would imagine Thayers makes it even better. Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Edwards" To: "'Earl Needham'" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > Yeah, I had a trombone like that once. :) > > My TR-181's original valves were REALLY stuffy, then I had Thayers > installed. > Made a HUGE difference! > That is the idea, like we always talk about, behind the Thayer, Shires > Tru-bore, Lindberg and the Hagmann valves, you have a constant bore > through out the valve section. > It's not really the bends that create resistance, it's the constriction in > the rotor. > This is why on some horns, they play better open as opposed to valved. > > Thanks > Eric > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Earl Needham > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:25 PM > To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > > At 08:21 PM 2/20/2006, Sharman King wrote: >>Parenthetically, for >>decades I've also found myself producing a more musically satisfying >>result, particularly playing operas, if I avoid the trigger at all >>times, except for Eb and below. Does anyone else share this opinion? > > Oh yeah, in my (limited) experience, the Bass Trombone always > sounds more like a trombone when playing a note with the slide extended > rather than using a valve. Dunno why -- maybe just the result of more of > the tubing being straight or avoiding sharp bends in the valve, or > whatever. > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:01:57 -0500 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Gurrelieder in Boston To: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060222104943.01d41d00@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:13 AM 2/22/2006, Keith Marr wrote: >Any chance of an internet stream of this performance? > >Keith in Bb/F/D >Bass Trombone >St Albans Symphony Orchestra >Page Three Big Band > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gabriel Langfur" >To: "Trombones and related issues forum" >Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:01 AM >Subject: [Trombone-l] Gurrelieder in Boston Last night, I heard the performance of Schoenberg's Pelleas and Melisande with Levine and the BSO (part of a two concert series of Schoenberg by these forces). Like Gurrelieder, Pelleas is an early work, largely influenced by Strauss, Debussy, and Wagner. The rest of the program was made up of the more typically Schoenbergian Five Pieces and Orchestral Variations. I comment only in reply to your question and really only about the Pelleas. The performances of the other two works seemed quite good, but I've never cared for either that much so I would turn elsewhere for comments about them. The Pelleas performance was one of the worst I've heard of the piece, and I've heard several. Most of the problems surrounded Levine's conducting, which I found interpretively clueless. This is not a truly "modern" work and siimply beating time trying to strip all the Straussian et.al influences (or so it sounded) turned a beautiful work into noise. The Saturday broadcast seemed better, but the broadcast quality of BSO concerts is so poor it's hard to tell. My sense is that most of the problems I heard Tuesday were in place Saturday, but it was hard to tell. As for the trombones, they sounded very good and were one of the few strengths of the performance. I love Gurrelieder and planned to go, but have changed my mind. Roger Hecht ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 22 ******************************************