Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21 Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: eBay - Actors (richard.bartkus@cox.net) 2. Re: Kanstul 1662i (Matt Litwaitis) 3. Re: eBay (Tom Izzo) 4. Doug Yeo Master class (Eric Edwards) 5. Re: Kanstul (Sharman King) 6. Re: Kanstul (Earl Needham) 7. Re: eBay - Actors (JFBermann@aol.com) 8. Re: Doug Yeo Master class (Wayne Dyess) 9. Re: Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing (Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW) 10. Re: eBay (Chris Tune) 11. Re: eBay - Actors (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 12. Re: Kanstul (Eric Edwards) 13. Re: Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing (Daryl Burch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:59:21 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: , Message-ID: <20060220180108.VGQX26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sometimes they didn't have models (or actors, forgive my faux pas) they just "cranked" out illustrations to make as much money as they could r > > From: JFBermann@aol.com > Date: 2006/02/20 Mon PM 12:52:11 EST > To: richard.bartkus@cox.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors > > Yes, Actors that posed for the paintings! :o) > > JB > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:03:50 -0800 From: "Matt Litwaitis" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul 1662i To: "Keith Marr" Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <004101c63650$63065200$6801a8c0@qwertyasdfg> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Hi Keith, You can check out the specs for the Kanstul 1662i at the Kanstul website http://www.kanstul.net/pages/instruments/trombones/1662i/1662im.html or, better yet.... see if you can chat up list member Mike Suter mikesuter@adelphia.net about the horn.... he's been playing one and endorsing it for Kanstul. Regards, Matt Litwaitis mattlit@adelphia.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Marr" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:58 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > Has anyone on the list got any advice about the suitability of Kanstul > bass trombones? I'm looking particularly at the 1662i (in-line 2-valve, > in-slide tuning) to play big band jazz and symphony orchestra. > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay To: Bill Dinwiddie , List Trombone Message-ID: <20060220193053.11350.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'd agree with Bill. Tuning slide is in all the way, & the way the model is grabbing the slide he seems more worried about smiling for the camera than how to look comfortable playing Trombone. It also appears that this instrument is one that would have had a balance, but to avoid "advertising" another product, the balance was removed. My .O2. Tom --- Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > Hi Earl, > > I struck me as I saw this ad on eBay, that the "It's > not how long you make > it" part, could have another meaning, more > appropriate to today. "It's not > how long you live", might be more realistic > considering that the product is > Winston cigarettes. > > I'll bet that the "trombone" player is just a model > who was hired for the > ad. > > Bill Dinwiddie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Needham" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:20 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] eBay > > > > > > Anybody know who might be pictured here? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6255843608 > > > > Thanks, > > Earl > > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might > say "Davis Electronics" > > on it) > > > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original > TRISTAR! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:35:49 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] Doug Yeo Master class To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <20060220193445.5129AE3992@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi All, just hit me that there wasn't much, if any, discussion from the Doug Yeo master classes in Texas earlier this month. Or did I miss something? Thanks Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily Edwards "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price fades". ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:21:27 -0800 From: Sharman King Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060220183652.02a21570@pop3.bookwarehouse.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I'll chime in on the Kanstul bass trombone thread. I believe the most knowledgeable source of information will be Steve Ferguson, but I can tell you that, in my experience, the best of the Kanstul basses, and by far the best bass trombone I've ever played in forty years of professional playing, is the single trigger Kanstul. The dependent double trigger is a close second, with the independent double being my least-preferred. I've played double trigger instruments since the mid-seventies, and I have some pretty wonderful horns. But when I tried the three Kanstul configurations at the factory with a "judge and jury" of three wonderful bass trombonists, the "judge and jury" consistently picked out the single trigger instrument as the best, with the dependent being second, the independent being third and my then-current setup being a distant third. My then-current setup is a wonderful horn that any of us would love to have, but it ranked far behind the three Kanstuls in the opinion of my testing panel. And that's despite the benefit of my familiarity with my old setup. For what it's worth, I put much more faith in the listening opinion of knowledgeable listeners than my own feeling for a new instrument - I'm paid by people who are listening to me, after all! I bought both the single and dependent double horns, but I've only used the double when I've absolutely had to. I love the lightness of the single horn, and it seems to have a more resonant, vibrant sound than anything else I've ever played. It records beautifully, and because I've now used it for two opera productions, a couple of Mozart Requiems (and the birthday year is just starting!) and all of the run-of-the-mill playing a commercial/legit bass trombone player runs into. I can't wait for the chorales in Don Giovanni tomorrow! A few weeks ago I played my two Kanstuls and my old set-up for my best friend, who is a "brand-name" well-known tenor trombonist. It was a blind test, with him not knowing what I was playing of A, B and C. He consistently picked the same order as the three bass trombonists who were so generous with their time and opinions at the Kanstul factory. By a wide margin, he preferred the sound of the two Kanstuls over what I've been playing for the past five years, and that's been the opinion of my playing colleagues as well. (By the way, I've been circumspect in not naming the players who were kind enough to be on my taste panel to preserve their anonymity and to not interfere with any commercial endorsements they may have. I'm also not naming other brands because everyone should form their own opinions of what particular instruments do for them.) I've become lazily accustomed to playing with a D valve, but for me it's been a revelation to go back to single trigger for almost everything. I now think we've been barking up a wrong tree with our more damped heavier double trigger instruments. Parenthetically, for decades I've also found myself producing a more musically satisfying result, particularly playing operas, if I avoid the trigger at all times, except for Eb and below. Does anyone else share this opinion? There are ten bass trombones in my basement; any of them are wonderful professional horns. But the Kanstuls are, by far, my most preferred and musical instruments. One of the players who helped me at the Kanstul factory said, "X makes a good horn, but the Kanstul is better. Y makes a good horn, but the Kanstul is better. Z makes a good horn, but the Kanstul is better," and I concur. We're all different, and different instruments will do different things for different people. But for me, the single-trigger Kanstul is such a revelation that I'm wondering what things I've played and recorded in the past forty years would have sounded like on that instrument. I've never had that feeling from any other new horn. I love being a working musician, but the Kanstul is making me love it more. ************************************************* Sharman King 632 West Broadway Vancouver BC V5Z 1G1 phone 604 873 0661 800 929 5711 pager 604 640 5711 fax 604 876 5711 sharman@bookwarehouse.ca sharman@sharmanking.ca sharman@istar.ca ************************************************* ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:25:18 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060220202408.0282ecb8@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:21 PM 2/20/2006, Sharman King wrote: >Parenthetically, for >decades I've also found myself producing a more musically satisfying >result, particularly playing operas, if I avoid the trigger at all >times, except for Eb and below. Does anyone else share this opinion? Oh yeah, in my (limited) experience, the Bass Trombone always sounds more like a trombone when playing a note with the slide extended rather than using a valve. Dunno why -- maybe just the result of more of the tubing being straight or avoiding sharp bends in the valve, or whatever. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:44:48 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: richard.bartkus@cox.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1c6.3afa6686.312be6b0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I thought they were like the Vargas drawings! :o) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:14:47 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Doug Yeo Master class To: Eric Edwards Cc: Bone List Message-ID: <223e0b73eb9ee6bcb1ac698dd5ce9c90@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Go to yeodoug.com and read it in his own words. http://yeodoug.com/home/text/whats_new.html I can't speak for the other hosts, but Doug was... well, "masterful" at his clinic in Beaumont. He covered a LOT of ground in his 2 hours with us. Particularly noteworthy were his discussions on slide technique, "sniff" breathing, and his trademark "how good is good enough?" He hit a homerun. Our choral director peeked in toward the end, and only caught the last 15 or 20 minutes. He left saying it was the best clinic he had ever seen, and that all our classes should have let out so that every music student could have attended Doug's clinic! That pretty much sums it up from Beaumont. Doug also played a good bit for us, as I had requested. Rather than have my students to play for him, I requested he demonstrate as much as he had time for. Needless to say, he was MIGHTY impressive! There's much more, and we did dine afterwards at a great local Cajun restaurant where Doug ordered fried alligator. For real. I've been in the area for 30 years and had never tried it. It was like Popeye's spicy chicken. Not bad! Had a real BITE to it. If Doug is in your area, I highly recommend you make every effort to attend one of his sessions. Personable. Articulate. Honest Injun. He'd make a right nice Texican, I do believe. :-) Wayne Dyess Lamar University Beaumont, Texas On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Eric Edwards wrote: > Hi All, just hit me that there wasn't much, if any, discussion from > the > Doug Yeo master classes in Texas earlier this month. > Or did I miss something? > > Thanks > Eric > > > > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily > Edwards > "The bitterness of poor quality remains long > after the sweetness of low price fades". > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:06:40 +0100 From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing To: Richard Barrett , "'eliezer aharoni'" , trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain It's all available if you don't mind typing. Take a music notation program and your accompaniment and make your own CD. It's faster if you have a MIDI keyboard and good skills. I have the keyboard but I'm faster with the mouse . -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:richard.barrett93@ntlworld.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 18:38 To: 'eliezer aharoni'; trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing On the subject of wedding music a friend has asked me to play solo at their wedding. Civic facility so no piano for accompaniment! It's a small wedding party of about 10. I cannot get out of this so was thinking of using one of those play along CDs. Any recommendations about what might be available in UK? Richard -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of eliezer aharoni Sent: 16 February 2006 08:10 To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing Mentioning wedding music, I've just arranged Mendelsohn's Wedding March in Jazz style for 4 trombones and Tuba. This arrangement is for the coming wedding of Hannoh Dayag (Atilla Hallas) Bass trombonist of Rishon Lezion (& Tel Aviv Opera) on February 23. Anybody interested in this arrangement - it's free of charge, but I'd like somebody to volunteer to host it on his website (I don't have one) I'll send it in PDF format + Midi file. Thanks & Best wishes Eliezer Aharoni Former Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone Avilable from Hickey's (USA) Warwick, MusT (England) POB 4025, Jerusalem ISRAEL 91040 Phone ++972 2 5341333 cell 0524 868866 _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:01:45 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay To: "Bill Dinwiddie" , "List Trombone" Message-ID: <001901c636bd$0fab6f10$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original And, Freud would have a comment or two on this picture and on the motto. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dinwiddie" To: "List Trombone" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay > Hi Earl, > > I struck me as I saw this ad on eBay, that the "It's not how long you make > it" part, could have another meaning, more appropriate to today. "It's not > how long you live", might be more realistic considering that the product > is > Winston cigarettes. > > I'll bet that the "trombone" player is just a model who was hired for the > ad. > > Bill Dinwiddie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Needham" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:20 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] eBay > > >> >> Anybody know who might be pictured here? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6255843608 >> >> Thanks, >> Earl >> >> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >> >> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" >> on it) >> >> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:08:58 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: JFBermann@aol.com, richard.bartkus@cox.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <2d5.33fb8fb.312c78fa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Vargas drawings wooooo woooo woooo!!!!!!!! beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:57:02 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: "'Earl Needham'" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <20060221155556.800A5C801D@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, I had a trombone like that once. :) My TR-181's original valves were REALLY stuffy, then I had Thayers installed. Made a HUGE difference! That is the idea, like we always talk about, behind the Thayer, Shires Tru-bore, Lindberg and the Hagmann valves, you have a constant bore through out the valve section. It's not really the bends that create resistance, it's the constriction in the rotor. This is why on some horns, they play better open as opposed to valved. Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Earl Needham Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:25 PM To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul At 08:21 PM 2/20/2006, Sharman King wrote: >Parenthetically, for >decades I've also found myself producing a more musically satisfying >result, particularly playing operas, if I avoid the trigger at all >times, except for Eb and below. Does anyone else share this opinion? Oh yeah, in my (limited) experience, the Bass Trombone always sounds more like a trombone when playing a note with the slide extended rather than using a valve. Dunno why -- maybe just the result of more of the tubing being straight or avoiding sharp bends in the valve, or whatever. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:55:46 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing To: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW" Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I had to do this for my sister's wedding.... Most Christian bookstores (in the states anyway) have sing-a-long tapes/CDs. Just have to hunt down one that works. I ended up doing "The Lord's Prayer"--short, sweet, no backing vocals, hard as h$@#$---lots of long notes. Or you could just do an a capella version of "Besame Mucho" or something similar. If it's a _small_ party, why make it more complicated than it has to be. They want you to play because they want to hear YOU play at their wedding. I'm sure they don't care how you do it. I used a tape because of my phobia of standing up in front of 300 people I grew up in front of and not wanting to suck. Crowd of 10,000--no problem! Home church that's known me since I was in Huggies--big problem! Don't know why. Just the way I'm wired I guess. Best of luck! Let me know what you end up doing (off list if you like). Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Feb 20, 2006, at 11:06 PM, Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW wrote: > It's all available if you don't mind typing. > > Take a music notation program and your accompaniment and make your own > CD. > > It's faster if you have a MIDI keyboard and good skills. I have the > keyboard but I'm faster with the mouse . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:richard.barrett93@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 18:38 > To: 'eliezer aharoni'; trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing > > On the subject of wedding music a friend has asked me to play solo at > their > wedding. Civic facility so no piano for accompaniment! It's a small > wedding party of about 10. I cannot get out of this so was thinking of > using one of those play along CDs. Any recommendations about what > might be > available in UK? > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of eliezer aharoni > Sent: 16 February 2006 08:10 > To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu > Subject: [Trombone-l] Wedding Music- Mendelsohn in swing > > Mentioning wedding music, I've just arranged Mendelsohn's Wedding > March in > Jazz style for 4 trombones and Tuba. This arrangement is for the coming > wedding of Hannoh Dayag (Atilla Hallas) Bass trombonist of Rishon > Lezion (& > Tel Aviv Opera) on February 23. > > Anybody interested in this arrangement - it's free of charge, but I'd > like > somebody to volunteer to host it on his website (I don't have one) > I'll send > it in PDF format + Midi file. > > Thanks & Best wishes > > Eliezer Aharoni > Former Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra > Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone Avilable from Hickey's > (USA) > Warwick, MusT (England) POB 4025, Jerusalem ISRAEL 91040 Phone ++972 2 > 5341333 cell 0524 868866 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21 ******************************************