Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20 Date: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: To bE or Not to bE (or bB or not bB) (jscot@ucalgary.ca) 2. Re: To bE or Not to bE (or bB or not bB) (Jeff Albert) 3. 2004 2B Silver Sonic for sale!!! (Wes Funderburk) 4. TruBore valves for sale (Tony Clements) 5. OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/20/06 (Chris Waage) 6. Kanstul (Keith Marr) 7. eBay (Earl Needham) 8. Re: Kanstul (Eric & Candice Swanson) 9. Re: Kanstul (Chris Tune) 10. Re: eBay (Bill Dinwiddie) 11. Re: Kanstul (richard.bartkus@cox.net) 12. Re: eBay (JFBermann@aol.com) 13. Re: eBay - Actors (richard.bartkus@cox.net) 14. Re: eBay - Actors (JFBermann@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:13:33 -0700 (MST) From: jscot@ucalgary.ca Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] To bE or Not to bE (or bB or not bB) To: "Charles De Paolo" Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <1147.68.146.218.18.1140376413.squirrel@68.146.218.18> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >Chuck - I usually tune my trigger so the low F is more or less in tune in 1st, meaning I have to lower the slide for the C. Low E will be in a lowered 2nd, with the B slightly lower still. Jim Scott To "flat E" or not to "flat E", that is the question... > > I'm trying to get a consensus here on something, perhaps you can help. > > This concerns tenor players with triggers on their horns. Specifically > regular tenor players, not bass players who also sometimes play tenor. > (The > latter is me and I already have those answers.) I'd like to hear from the > folks who battle it out on tenor day in and day out, to pick your brains > if > you will. > > What I'm wondering is if there is a general consensus as to where certain > notes lie on your horn(s). You can respond privately to me if you would > like to keep the list clean. I will post back a summary once I have some > data to work with. > > But first, the fine print: > > a) When I mention "first position," I mean that the slide is closed pretty > much all the way against the stops or within a millimeter, but no more. > For > those of you with springs, the springs are not compressed, but the slide > might be touching them lightly. > > b) I assume the trigger section is tuned in F and its tuning slide is > pulled > out maybe a quarter to half inch. It might be a touch more if your main > tuning slide is out more than usual (more than a half inch). > > c) I'm not hoping for any specific results, so there are no right answers > and no trick questions. Please don't try to read into my wording. Just > answer naturally. Thanks in advance! > > The questions: > > 1. When playing second space C in first position with the trigger, do you > find it to be: > (a) in tune > (b) flat but usable (you have to lip it up) > (c) too flat and thus unusable (except maybe in very fast passages) > (d) a little sharp, so you push out a bit > > 2. When playing low F (just beneath the staff) in first position with the > trigger, do you find it to be: > (a) in tune > (b) flat but usable (you have to lip it up) > (c) too flat and thus unusable (except maybe in very fast passages) > (d) a little sharp, so you push out a bit. > > 3. When playing second line B-natural with the trigger, do you find it to > be: > (a) in tune > (b) slightly sharp, so you lip it or nudge it ever so slightly south > of > 2nd position > (c) sharp, so you push it out to flat 2nd position > > 4. When playing low E (one ledger down) with the trigger, do you find it > to > be: > (a) in tune > (b) slightly sharp, so you lip it or nudge it ever so slightly south > of > 2nd position > (c) sharp, so you push it out to flat 2nd position > > Thanks again to anyone who responds. Your help is appreciated! > > ---Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:48:14 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] To bE or Not to bE (or bB or not bB) To: Charles De Paolo Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 18, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Charles De Paolo wrote: > To "flat E" or not to "flat E", that is the question... > > > a) When I mention "first position," I mean that the slide is closed > pretty > much all the way against the stops or within a millimeter, but no > more. For > those of you with springs, the springs are not compressed, but the > slide > might be touching them lightly. Am I disqualified because I don't play first position there? My regular first position is longer than that. That is closer to a description of where my low F with the valve first position is. > > > > 1. When playing second space C in first position with the trigger, > do you > find it to be: > (a) in tune > (b) flat but usable (you have to lip it up) > (c) too flat and thus unusable (except maybe in very fast > passages) > (d) a little sharp, so you push out a bit d, in that it is a little longer than my non-valve first position notes. > > 2. When playing low F (just beneath the staff) in first position > with the > trigger, do you find it to be: > (a) in tune > (b) flat but usable (you have to lip it up) > (c) too flat and thus unusable (except maybe in very fast > passages) > (d) a little sharp, so you push out a bit. Well by your definition of first position, it is in tune, but that doesn't line up with the rest of my usual first positions on the open horn. > > 3. When playing second line B-natural with the trigger, do you find > it to > be: > (a) in tune > (b) slightly sharp, so you lip it or nudge it ever so slightly > south of > 2nd position > (c) sharp, so you push it out to flat 2nd position in tune in longish second > > 4. When playing low E (one ledger down) with the trigger, do you > find it to > be: > (a) in tune > (b) slightly sharp, so you lip it or nudge it ever so slightly > south of > 2nd position > (c) sharp, so you push it out to flat 2nd position Not quite as long as the B, but still longer than regular non-valve second position. Jeff > > Thanks again to anyone who responds. Your help is appreciated! > > ---Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:56:14 -0500 From: "Wes Funderburk" Subject: [Trombone-l] 2004 2B Silver Sonic for sale!!! To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <380-22006212005614115@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey folks. I wanted to let everyone know that I'm selling my 2B Silver Sonic that I bought a couple of years ago. It was a well-intentioned purchase but I soon realized that it would never take the place of my '62 3B Silver Sonic.... It's in EXCELLENT condition with just a few minor scratches on the tuning slide and inside the bell. I'm taking it to the shop in a few days to get everything polished and lubed up for a new owner. I'm including the original mouthpiece (gold plated 12C-used once, I think) and original case. The case has typical trunk-and-gig scratches..no big deal. I'm happy to send as many pictures as you can possibly want. Anyone who might be interested can contact me via my website, www.funderbone.com , or through funderbone@earthlink.net . If you reply to this email (funderbone@earthilnk.net) you will most likely end up in my SUSPECT FOLDER...because I don't know you. Just send me a request and I'll let you in...nothing personal....I'm just weird that way : ) I'm not posting my selling price publicly but the list price for this horn brand new is just under $3K. Thanks and good luck! Wes Funderburk funderbone@earthlink.net www.funderbone.com Knick knack paddy whack, give the gig a bone. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:00:39 -0800 From: "Tony Clements" Subject: [Trombone-l] TruBore valves for sale To: "'Trombone List'" Message-ID: <000301c635b9$11199930$6701a8c0@TonyWinBook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought a bass Shires with both Thayers & TruBores to try out. I'm keeping the Thayers and need to sell Trubore valves. They have about 3 hours on them: they are, essentially, new. Interested parties, please email me offline. Thanks. Tony Clements ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:39:44 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/20/06 To: Trombone-L , brass_list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 8:39 AM CST on February 20, 2006. Scam/Fraud Alert: Please be cautious of offers by distant strangers to send you a high value (but counterfeit) cashier's check, and then have you wire the balance to them. The primary warning signs are e-mails sent with very poor grammar asking if you will consider shipping the item overseas. Banks will cash these counterfeit checks, but then hold you responsible for the funds when the check fails to clear. If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:58:21 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Has anyone on the list got any advice about the suitability of Kanstul bass trombones? I'm looking particularly at the 1662i (in-line 2-valve, in-slide tuning) to play big band jazz and symphony orchestra. Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:20:28 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: [Trombone-l] eBay To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060220092005.0265cfe8@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anybody know who might be pictured here? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6255843608 Thanks, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:20:52 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <43F9EC64.7040504@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Keith Marr wrote: >Has anyone on the list got any advice about the suitability of Kanstul bass >trombones? I'm looking particularly at the 1662i (in-line 2-valve, in-slide >tuning) to play big band jazz and symphony orchestra. > > > Keith, I played a Kanstul a couple years ago. I thought it played well, and I'm sure that you would probably be happy with it. At the same time, I tried the new Conn 62H and liked it even better. I'm fairly sure that you can get the Conn for a lot less money with discount from the major mail order places, so I would try the Conn if you can. I did play a Conn 62Hi (with in-line valves) which I didn't like as well, but it could have been that particular horn. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:39:17 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: "Keith Marr" , Message-ID: <000001c6363c$bcec53a0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Call Steve Ferguson about this or visit his website. Steve is an authorized Kanstul dealer and, from what my bass bone playing buddies say, these are incredible horns. The tenor bones are GREAT. Kanstul has very impressive quality standards in making their horns. Chris Steve is at http://www.hornguys.com 818.248.7550 They will be glad to talk to you about this and they can probably fax you stuff on these horns. Also, the Kanstul website has descriptions. Ferguson music will ship anywhere in the known universe. Often, I understand Kanstul has designed his horns to emulate the "great" horns such as the vaunted Conn bass bones, perhaps using his impressive new valves instead of classic rotary units. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Marr" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:58 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Kanstul > Has anyone on the list got any advice about the suitability of Kanstul > bass > trombones? I'm looking particularly at the 1662i (in-line 2-valve, > in-slide > tuning) to play big band jazz and symphony orchestra. > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:43:24 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <000e01c6363c$c4abf820$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Earl, I struck me as I saw this ad on eBay, that the "It's not how long you make it" part, could have another meaning, more appropriate to today. "It's not how long you live", might be more realistic considering that the product is Winston cigarettes. I'll bet that the "trombone" player is just a model who was hired for the ad. Bill Dinwiddie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] eBay > > Anybody know who might be pictured here? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6255843608 > > Thanks, > Earl > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:50:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Kanstul To: Message-ID: <20060220165138.OVHT17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am not a very big fan of the inline configuration, but that's my personal preference speaking. I was fortunate enough to be in the shop when Zig was prepping a horn that was going to Penn State ( or was it Purdue) last year or the year before. The horn I played was fairly open blowing and reasonably true to the 62h characteristics. The reason I didn't buy it is that I am primarilly a Tenor player and only double baf when someone is desperate or needs a favor . My Getzen 1062 is more than adequate to the task in those situations. Although as I get older, the idea of carrying the extra weight of the 2nd valve and tubing for the very very very few times that I need to play low Bnat seems foolish. Back to your question; I think that the Kanstull horns are great. Steve is a good resource as he is a very fine bass trombonist and has invested some time playing most of the horns he stocks. When I was in his shop last, I did play a Shires that definately blew my hair back, but you need to consider that I am a trombone "junkie" and am in constant search for another fix )horn to add to the music room ) Richard Bartkus ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:18:58 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay To: needhame1@plateautel.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <2e6.1bcf476.312b5402@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 2/20/2006 11:35:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, needhame1@plateautel.net writes: Anybody know who might be pictured here? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6255843608 Thanks, Earl ACTORS! ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:39:43 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: Message-ID: <20060220174130.UVSE26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Earl, Unless my old eyes are mistaken, this is not a photo, but an illustration, ala the Norman Rockwell variety. These were very common and popular in the 40's and into the 50's. There's a very real possibility that the person holding the trombone may not have EVER existed except in the mind of the artist. The face could have been taken from an existing catalog of faces and the rest just came from the mind of the artist. The short answer is, I don't know who the person holding the trombone in the ad is. Richard ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:52:11 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] eBay - Actors To: richard.bartkus@cox.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <30.2811f02.312b5bcb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yes, Actors that posed for the paintings! :o) JB ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20 ******************************************