Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6 Date: Monday, February 6, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Vibrato - yeah or nay (Pat McFarland) 2. Jack Jenny, City Night (Charlesworth) 3. Star Mangled Banner (Fred Hudson) 4. Re: Jack Jenny, City Night (Wayne Dyess) 5. Star Mangled Banner (Eric Edwards) 6. Re: Vibrato - yeah or nay (needhame1) 7. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Gabriel Langfur) 8. Re: New Lindberg Bass (Jim Smith) 9. Re: New Lindberg Bass (JFBermann@aol.com) 10. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Bonemaster) 11. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Daryl Burch) 12. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Daryl Burch) 13. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Raymond Horton) 14. FW: Star Mangled Banner (Eric Edwards) 15. OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/06/06 (Chris Waage) 16. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Mikel K. Smith) 17. Re: Memorization (jimandcat@juno.com) 18. Re: FW: Star Mangled Banner (Richard Z. Johnson) 19. Re: Memorization (Chris Tune) 20. Re: Vibrato - yeah or nay (Chris Tune) 21. Re: FW: Star Mangled Banner (Richard Bartkus) 22. Re: FW: Star Mangled Banner (kzski) 23. Re: FW: Star Mangled Banner (dslide13@aol.com) 24. Re: FW: Star Mangled Banner (dslide13@aol.com) 25. Re: New Lindberg Bass (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 26. Re: Vibrato - yeah or nay (andy.skaggs@wachovia.com) 27. Re: Bass Trombone Duets (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 28. Re: Vibrato - yeah or nay (Keith Marr) 29. Re: FW: Star Mangled Banner (Eric Edwards) 30. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Wayne Dyess) 31. Re: Vibrato - yeah or nay (George Carr) 32. Re: New Lindberg Bass (Eric & Candice Swanson) 33. Re: Star Mangled Banner (Eric & Candice Swanson) 34. Re: New Lindberg Bass (Tony Clements) 35. Re: New Lindberg Bass (thetubameister@adelphia.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:05:00 -0600 From: "Pat McFarland" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay To: "'Chris Tune'" , "'Mikel K. Smith'" , Message-ID: <20060205174951.9838619014E@nothing.midiowa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris, I knew that I couldn't possibly be the only person on this list to think of it! Pat -----Original Message----- From: Chris Tune [mailto:crtune@adelphia.net] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:48 PM To: Pat McFarland; 'Mikel K. Smith'; trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay Hey Pat! You are stealing my THUNDER. I guess I sent that as a message to Mikel only. Oh well. . .anything for a laugh. Chris Laughter is the best medicine. . . .if you don't have any Morphine. . . . crt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat McFarland" To: "'Mikel K. Smith'" ; Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay >" while the guy who did is a weekend warrior; CPA in real life." > > CPA = Certified Pain in the.... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1970 20:29:25 -0800 From: Charlesworth Subject: [Trombone-l] Jack Jenny, City Night To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <0755F8B0-2DAF-11B2-ADD5-003065965572@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Does anyone know of a source for a lead-sheet w/ changes for Jack Jenny's somber ballad theme song? Alan. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:31:57 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Message-ID: <001901c62aac$5d4544c0$68e7eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The TV is on in another room as I wait for all the BS to be over so I can watch the "Super" Bowl game. I just heard National Anthem mangled worse than any rendition of any song anywhere any time. Rhetorical question: (I know there's no answer) Why do vocalists feel they have to rewrite the Star Spangled Banner before every sporting event on TV? Trombone content - None -- that's the problem! Fred H Just venting! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:30:01 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Jack Jenny, City Night To: Charlesworth Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <99fd2827fffede29a498e3e55a296f9a@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I suppose you have read this page on Jack Jenny? Wonderful. Definitely a trombone hero! His rendition of "Star Dust" alone assures his mark being left in history. Wayne Dyess On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Charlesworth wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for a lead-sheet w/ changes for Jack > Jenny's somber ballad theme song? > > Alan. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:08:29 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <200602060008.k1608TAw021536@omr4.networksolutionsemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. I turned it off after that. How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily Edwards "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded." ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:25:17 -0700 From: "needhame1" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <380-2200621612517366@plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ---- Original Message ---- From: jeff@jeffalbert.com To: mikelksmith@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:11:07 -0600 >I think it is a style thing that can vary from tune to tune. What >chart was it? I tend to err on the side of less vibrato, but that >may just be a result of personal taste. I try to do it when the bag >calls for it. I'd do it when I thought it was "right" and tell the bag to stick to trumpet! Earl ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Eric Edwards , tpin@tpin.okcu.edu, Trombone-L Message-ID: <20060206013409.54433.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what they do. I'll take it... Gabe --- Eric Edwards wrote: > Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. > > I turned it off after that. > How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? > > Eric > > > > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily > Edwards > "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the > sweetness of low price > has faded." > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:23:12 -0600 From: "Jim Smith" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Lindberg Bass To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe there may be another reason why the Conn 62H-CL 10" bell has changed: Conn-Selmer discontinued the Benge 290. UMI's initial offering of the 62H in 2002 was with standard Conn dependent valves. It is the only model 62H offered that year. Closely on its heels came the 62H-I with standard Conn in-line valves. They both had 9-1/2" bells. Then (and only then) did the 62H-CL (with Lindberg valves) follow. Unlike the first two Conn 62H models, the 62H-CL targeted orchestral players (and those who wanted to be one). To help the new CL valve package be even more orchestral, (i.e., less "commercial"), THE BENGE 290 MANDREL (with its larger throat) WAS USED TO SPIN BELLS FOR THAT MODEL ONLY. Nowhere was this noted for public consumption ... in sales literature and price lists, in the sales meetings that I attended, or at the ITA, state, and regional displays I worked for UMI. (During that time my personal Benge 290 (larger bell throat) was "Greenhoed". I obtained a new 62H bell ("standard" bell throat) from the factory and asked Gary to modularize both bells for it. I was (and still am) pleased with the results I get from both. Each bell has its uses and advantages. And each bell provides a noticeable difference (at least to me) in timbre, volume and response on an instrument that in every other respect ... hand slide, gooseneck, main tuning crook and valve assembly ... is the same.) Back to the subject. So why might Conn-Selmer start using the same bell on every 62H model regardless of the original marketing plan? There could be several good reasons, and few are likely to have anything to do with modifying the instrument's performance characteristics. For example: 1. Economy of scale: Without Benge, there might not be sales enough to support the expense of manufacturing two bass trombone bells; they believe the standard 9-1/2" Conn bell is a better "fit" for use across the board(?). 2. Christian has changed: In UMI's day his name never appeared on products unless and until he approved them; he was very careful about doing that. Perhaps he has come to prefer the standard Conn bell(?). 3. The market place has changed: Perhaps more bass trombone buyers are asking for Christian's rotors with the Conn bell(?). 4. The company has changed: Like a spoonful of sugar, UMI has been stirred into a large cup of Conn-Selmer, a company whose management and philosophy is neither better or worse than was UMI's, but never-the-less must bob and weave profitably through today's evolving market conditions, challenging economy, and voracious competitors. 5. Lower manufacturing and inventory costs/faster turnover: Using one stock bell on everything would make it unnecessary to tie up operating capital and manufacturing capacity making and inventorying two different bass trombone bells (a compelling argument to a VP of Finance even if the Benge had not been discontinued). 6. Fewer production snags: No slow-downs awaiting the "right bell" while dozens of "wrong" ones sit idly on the shelf (a compelling argument to the VP of Manufacturing). 7. Reduced back-orders for the "right" bell: More booked sales shipped/fewer orders canceled (a compelling argument to the VP of Sales). 8. All the above: Taken as a whole, they add up to a hedge against slipping profits in a mature, shrinking industry (a compelling argument to bankers, stockholders, and other investors who keep everything afloat). Which bell is better? Conn-Selmer's likely answer is #8. The rest of us, as always, are left to find our own. And what if we love the bell we can no longer have? Fear not ... the mandrel still exists, awaiting the day when some future Burkle calls it forth to once again spin out "new and improved" models for our joy and amazement. Until then, a few Benge 290 bells likely remain for your local brass technician to order from Sonia. Jim Smith ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:38:35 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Lindberg Bass To: kingconnjs@comcast.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1f1.4ac70698.311810ab@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Jim, I thought that the Conn 110 and 112H 10" bells were also made on the same Benge mandrel. They sure look like it only red brass instead of gold brass. Jim Bermann ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:34:30 -0500 From: "Bonemaster" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <012701c62ace$3d184c70$23a23c45@america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, Gabe. Even though I am not a Stones fan, I appreciated the straight ahead 'lets entertain them with music' approach. Bob Devine Atlanta, GA An 'All Shires' family -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]On Behalf Of Gabriel Langfur Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:34 PM To: Eric Edwards; tpin@tpin.okcu.edu; Trombone-L Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what they do. I'll take it... Gabe --- Eric Edwards wrote: > Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. > > I turned it off after that. > How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? > > Eric > > > > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily > Edwards > "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the > sweetness of low price > has faded." > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:51:14 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <5598ecd72ece70cb80d6ee349c154e16@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That leads to a wonderful dead head joke: Q: What does a deadhead say when the [insert drug of choice here] wears off? A: Man! This band f#$%@#in' sucks! I've not had the pleasure (or misfortune) of seeing "The Stones" live--even when they came to PacBell Park in SF for 3 nights last year. But if _THAT_ SB performance was their calling card, I'm not inclined to break my streak, yet. Especially for $200/tkt!!! Mick would've been voted off American Idol. And their endings were reminiscent of an "I've fallen and can't get up" patient's last trip down the stairs! After suffering through Stevie Wonder's pre-game debacle, and how VERY off-key he was... And then witnessing Aaron Neville, Patty Labelle and Dr. John's distinct trouncing of the nat'l anthem {which I'm sure was some ABC producer's undoing or her MD's}, I'm not surprised the Stones show was laden with pitch issues and ending failures (that could be directly attributed to not being able to hear themselves think). Have you ever played in a dome? I have. I don't recommend it. All that kind of pulled away from the fact that it actually was a GOOD FOOTBALL GAME!!! IMAGINE THAT!? The Steelers pulled off some trick plays. And the Seahawks were always one or two plays away from tightening it up. I know this'll get me blacklisted: But I've been trying to figure out what the hype of the Stones is all about for at least the last 20 years. And they've been around for almost 40. So I can't be the only one. It's kinda like the Beattles. In that, they broke the mold, set a new standard, and stayed there. I love EVERYTHING the Beattles wrote.... ...as long as they're not playing it! Most of their (the Beattles) original albums tend to drive me into manic fits because they're so flippin' out of tune, and, as they say in the jazz world, "swingin' on 2 & 5!" But lyrically, and chordally... love 'em! (The Herbie Hancock cover of Norwegian Wood is the best I've heard in years!) I just tend to go hide with the dogs under the bed whenever one of their original tracks comes on. For all you purists: my heart goes out to you. Please enjoy your fetish. Please don't be upset if I don't partake. For the brethrin' of the bone: Thank you for your indulgence and for bearing with my oddball opinions/rants. Here's to makin' better music in '06! {Now that we don't have any football to watch! And arena football don't count!} Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Feb 5, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Gabriel Langfur wrote: > It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what > they do. I'll take it... > > Gabe > > --- Eric Edwards wrote: > >> Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. >> >> I turned it off after that. >> How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily >> Edwards >> "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the >> sweetness of low price >> has faded." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:52:40 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: "Bonemaster" Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <17d29079057ec9d82793c0de572b60cd@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Touch?! Though not a Stones fan, I appreciate that they went out & did it without a click and in a dome, no less! Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Feb 5, 2006, at 7:34 PM, Bonemaster wrote: > Yeah, Gabe. Even though I am not a Stones fan, I appreciated the > straight > ahead 'lets entertain them with music' approach. > > Bob Devine > Atlanta, GA > An 'All Shires' family > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]On Behalf Of Gabriel Langfur > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:34 PM > To: Eric Edwards; tpin@tpin.okcu.edu; Trombone-L > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner > > > It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what > they do. I'll take it... > > Gabe > > --- Eric Edwards wrote: > >> Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. >> >> I turned it off after that. >> How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily >> Edwards >> "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the >> sweetness of low price >> has faded." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:07:48 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Daryl Burch Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43E6D9A4.3080300@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I enjoyed the Stones show. But - did I turn it on late, or was a lot of trouble (especially that great stage) for two frikken songs? RBH Daryl Burch wrote: >Touch?! Though not a Stones fan, I appreciate that they went out & did >it without a click and in a dome, no less! > >Cheers! >-D- >www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night >www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) > > >On Feb 5, 2006, at 7:34 PM, Bonemaster wrote: > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:11:33 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <200602061211.k16CBVAw027835@omr4.networksolutionsemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, I have to admit I was premature in my blasting of the half-time show. I tuned in just in time to see most of it, and it WAS better than previous years. As some folks have expressed, I wasn't impressed with the Stones performance either. Yeah, the stage was cool! Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:34 PM To: Eric Edwards; tpin@tpin.okcu.edu; Trombone-L Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what they do. I'll take it... Gabe --- Eric Edwards wrote: > Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. > > I turned it off after that. > How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? > > Eric > > > > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily > Edwards > "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the > sweetness of low price > has faded." > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:25:42 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/06/06 To: Trombone-L , brass_list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:24 AM CST on February 6, 2006. 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Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:04:48 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess you didn't catch the Rosanne Barr performance a few years back... Mikel -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]On Behalf Of Fred Hudson Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:32 PM To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner The TV is on in another room as I wait for all the BS to be over so I can watch the "Super" Bowl game. I just heard National Anthem mangled worse than any rendition of any song anywhere any time. Rhetorical question: (I know there's no answer) Why do vocalists feel they have to rewrite the Star Spangled Banner before every sporting event on TV? Trombone content - None -- that's the problem! Fred H Just venting! _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:16:39 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Memorization To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060206.051639.2532.1.Jimandcat@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've posted this before, about 5 years ago. But I still think it works pretty well: Once I had to memorize 15 Renaissance pieces for a sackbut/cornetto group (Renaissance Faire) in 4 days. A guy I knew worked as a bit actor in Hollywood, mostly soaps, and had to memorize a script everyday. He gave me advice and with my wife's (she's a psychologist) help I have modified it and teach it to Freshman players each year when they are trying to memorize their field show. Seems to work pretty good. 1. Learn the music accurately, don't try to figure it out and memorize at the same time especially rhythms or you end up memorizing mistakes. Rhythms are pretty easy to memorize and serve as great reference points. For example, if you have whole notes or rests, you can feel the rhythm of the rest of the music around you and keep track of where you are. 2. Figure out what kind of learner you are, Visual, Auditory, or Kinesthetic. We all are a mixture of these types, but usually one is stronger in each individual. Think how you most effectively study for a test or figure out a new gadget. Visual learners study the book or the manual; Auditory learners get info from the lecture or by having someone explain to them; Kinesthetic learners learn by taking notes or doing the activity. 3. Take a small portion (a bar, 2 bars, a phrase, whatever) of the music, study it WITHOUT PLAYING, in REAL TIME (the actual speed it goes): Visual--perhaps use your finger to actively look at every note, perhaps thinking note names or getting a picture of where the notes lie or the shape of the musical line; Auditory--sing the part or listen to a recording of it while you are looking at it; Kinesthetic--move the real or an imaginary slide through the positions. 4. Look away and play the music: Visual--picture the part in your mind, Auditory--hear the music in your mind, Kinesthetic--think the positions and slide motions. 5. Look back and check yourself. If incorrect, repeat the process. If correct, add another small portion. The thing that makes it work is NOT playing when you are studying to memorize. The activity of reading and playing is different than playing only from your mental image. Repetitiously reading and playing teaches you to read real well, but is the slowest way to memorize. "Look" at it while "thinking" it in Real Time, but "play" it from your mind (instead of your eyes). The fantastic ability of your mind catches on to the technique and it becomes very efficient and quick. Using this process, the first 3-4 songs I had to learn took me about 2 hours to memorize. The next 11-12 took about 4 ! They stuck with me the 12 weekends I had the gig. Jim Prindle ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:46:27 -0600 From: "Richard Z. Johnson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <000001c62b23$ba3987a0$0100a8c0@richard85o6cjg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Star Spangled Banner was different. I don't think that it was mangled. I enjoyed it, although I have enjoyed others better. Its part of our diverse culture to sing different renditions of the Star Spangled Banner. I would hate to hear it performed the same way every time. It was done respectfully. It was not done in that Rosanne Barr fashion.Dr. John on piano and the drums player and Aaron Neville were so New Orleans! What I did consider a slap in the face was importing the Rolling Stones to perform the halftime show when the musical tradition of Detroit is so rich. Motown has enough geriatric groups to perform, why the Rolling Stones? ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:43:59 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Memorization To: , Message-ID: <001601c62b2b$c49b7bb0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original This is most professional, Jim. I feel someone needing to do memorization could take what you have here and "pin it up" on the bulletin board. This is really the essence of doing it right. I must be a Kinesthetic learner since I've always been one that HAS to take written notes. It seems to be the NATURAL way I understand" and "internalize" things. Maybe we all have a bit of each learner, but are emphasized as excelling in one particular arena. I know I can learn by reading and I know I can remember lectures where I just "lurked" and didn't take notes (like at most trombone days. . .I never wait around for a "good seat". . .I just hang on the wall and listen). But, it seems that my nature simply moves me to take notes and perform actions as soon as I can in order to "get it". If I learn about a new scale that I might like to understand better, I feel that I simply have to play a few on the horn to get a better "feel". This sounds like the kinesthetic learner you describe. Certainly the insistence upon accurate rhythms, and musical matters is paramount and I really like the emphasis upon iteration and taking small chunks. Doing a bit of memorization and then checking back for accuracy and "confirmation". You give yourself a bit of "success", endorphins when you realize consciously that you have something accurately. Our mind is actually changed by these processes (the consciousness. . .the motions. . .the various neurotransmitter levels). I think memorization can have very beneficial effects, but I'd posit that this is like many things. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Your actor friend has the advantage of having done so much memorization that it is now something else he has mastered. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Memorization > I've posted this before, about 5 years ago. But I still think it works > pretty well: > > Once I had to memorize 15 Renaissance pieces for a sackbut/cornetto group > (Renaissance Faire) in 4 days. A guy I knew worked as a bit actor in > Hollywood, mostly soaps, and had to memorize a script everyday. He gave > me advice and with my wife's (she's a psychologist) help I have modified > it and teach it to Freshman players each year when they are trying to > memorize their field show. Seems to work pretty good. > > 1. Learn the music accurately, don't try to figure it out and memorize at > the same time especially rhythms or you end up memorizing mistakes. > Rhythms are pretty easy to memorize and serve as great reference points. > For example, if you have whole notes or rests, you can feel the rhythm of > the rest of the music around you and keep track of where you are. > > 2. Figure out what kind of learner you are, Visual, Auditory, or > Kinesthetic. We all are a mixture of these types, but usually one is > stronger in each individual. Think how you most effectively study for a > test or figure out a new gadget. Visual learners study the book or the > manual; Auditory learners get info from the lecture > or by having someone explain to them; Kinesthetic learners learn by > taking notes or doing the activity. > > 3. Take a small portion (a bar, 2 bars, a phrase, whatever) of the music, > study it WITHOUT PLAYING, in REAL TIME (the actual speed it goes): > Visual--perhaps use your finger to actively look at every note, perhaps > thinking note names or getting a picture of where the notes lie or the > shape of the musical line; Auditory--sing the part or listen to a > recording of it while you are looking at it; Kinesthetic--move the real > or an imaginary slide through the positions. > > 4. Look away and play the music: Visual--picture the part in your mind, > Auditory--hear the music in your mind, Kinesthetic--think the positions > and slide motions. > > 5. Look back and check yourself. If incorrect, repeat the process. If > correct, add another small portion. > > The thing that makes it work is NOT playing when you are studying to > memorize. The activity of reading and playing is different than playing > only from your mental image. Repetitiously reading and playing teaches > you to read real well, but is the slowest way to memorize. "Look" at it > while "thinking" it in Real Time, but "play" it from your mind (instead > of your eyes). > > The fantastic ability of your mind catches on to the technique and it > becomes very efficient and quick. Using this process, the first 3-4 songs > I had to learn took me about 2 hours to memorize. The next 11-12 took > about 4 ! They stuck with me the 12 weekends I had the gig. > > Jim Prindle > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:49:02 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay To: "Pat McFarland" , "'Mikel K. Smith'" , Message-ID: <003b01c62b2c$791da860$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes. . .and here I am trying to get the finishing touches on my certification. Its just soooo odd that we prize these designations in persons who really are being asked to do the day to day detail work. . . . Frankly, the greatest day to day accountants I've met had no designation and no formal education. They were simply devoted to getting it right and working hard. Don't get me wrong, I believe education is important. But there is no real way to test and certify that people actually care about their craft. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat McFarland" To: "'Chris Tune'" ; "'Mikel K. Smith'" ; Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay > Chris, > > I knew that I couldn't possibly be the only person on this list to think > of > it! > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Tune [mailto:crtune@adelphia.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:48 PM > To: Pat McFarland; 'Mikel K. Smith'; trombone-l@samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay > > Hey Pat! You are stealing my THUNDER. I guess I sent that as a message > to > Mikel only. > > Oh well. . .anything for a laugh. > > Chris > > > Laughter is the best medicine. . . .if you don't have any Morphine. . . . > > crt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat McFarland" > To: "'Mikel K. Smith'" ; > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay > > >>" while the guy who did is a weekend warrior; CPA in real life." >> >> CPA = Certified Pain in the.... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:45:19 -0800 From: Richard Bartkus Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 2/6/06 5:46 AM, "Richard Z. Johnson" wrote: , why the Rolling Stones? Because it's all about ratings and money for the promoters and networks. Richard ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:52:06 -0600 From: "kzski" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: "Richard Z. Johnson" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <000801c62b2c$e63d24c0$397c4a44@DHN0MQ21> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Z. Johnson" To: "'Trombone-L'" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner > Motown has enough geriatric groups to perform, why the Rolling Stones? > The Rolling Stones are still out there doing it. They are touring frequently and are selling out major venues. They are attracting both old fans and young new fans. Motown and the majority of the original performers are all dead. Wanna hear My Girl? Attend a wedding. Hary ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:09:23 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: eric@elsjledwards.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8C7F94672DE0EE0-1310-6756@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Firstly, going to the Super Bowl to find music is like going to Starbuck's to get a blood test. If you want "music", then you have to go to a venue that deals in music. The NFL deals in entertainment and they're not concerned with entertaining us. This forum is evidence of the fact that WE are a niche audience and not the kind of mammoth big-spending audience to which they cater. Secondly, I listened to the game on the radio...and the SSB didn't bother me. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Eric Edwards To: Trombone-L Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:11:33 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner Hi All, I have to admit I was premature in my blasting of the half-time show. I tuned in just in time to see most of it, and it WAS better than previous years. As some folks have expressed, I wasn't impressed with the Stones performance either. Yeah, the stage was cool! Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:34 PM To: Eric Edwards; tpin@tpin.okcu.edu; Trombone-L Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what they do. I'll take it... Gabe --- Eric Edwards wrote: > Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. > > I turned it off after that. > How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? > > Eric > > > > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily > Edwards > "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the > sweetness of low price > has faded." > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:38:25 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: zemry1@bellsouth.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8C7F94A80E440FA-1310-69F5@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed amen. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Richard Z. Johnson To: 'Trombone-L' Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:46:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner The Star Spangled Banner was different. I don't think that it was mangled. I enjoyed it, although I have enjoyed others better. Its part of our diverse culture to sing different renditions of the Star Spangled Banner. I would hate to hear it performed the same way every time. It was done respectfully. It was not done in that Rosanne Barr fashion.Dr. John on piano and the drums player and Aaron Neville were so New Orleans! What I did consider a slap in the face was importing the Rolling Stones to perform the halftime show when the musical tradition of Detroit is so rich. Motown has enough geriatric groups to perform, why the Rolling Stones? _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:40:24 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Lindberg Bass To: swan325@earthlink.net Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <4869125.1139240424025.JavaMail.root@web16> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Buddy of mine has the 10.5 Rose. I've only tried the 9.5 rose and a sterling prototype. I've also tried the Greenhoe and it rocked. I would sell my soul, I think for a 9.5 sterling greenhoe... J.c.S. ---- Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > Charles De Paolo wrote: > > >> I think they only come with a big bell...10 or > >> 10.5 inches. It's not the same bell as on the regular 62H or the > >> Greenhoe model, it's bigger. > >> > >> > > > >That might have been a prototype. The Conn catalog indicates that all four models of the 62H use the standard 9.5" rose brass bell. This includes the Greenhoe and Lindberg models. > > > > > > > Chuck, > > Yes, it does say that, I just looked. Funny, but the two that I've > actually seen have yellow brass bells and were at least 10". I was told > that that is the way they all came. Anybody out there seen one with the > 9.5" rose brass bell? > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:45:09 -0500 From: andy.skaggs@wachovia.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Not to veer too far off, but this issue is one that doesn't get enough attention in the classical music sphere either, IMO. I like to use a little tasteful slide vibrato in Bolero for example, which seems nearly heretical these days, but in performance I think it works. In fact, I believe judicious use of this technique can enhance a great deal of literature, in both solo and symphonic settings. It seems that trombonists are generally encouraged to master various types of vibrato in school, but then discouraged from actually putting those skills into practice professionally. It seems odd to me that every other instrument in the orchestra uses vibrato in solo situations, but trombonists (and tubists, I guess) don't. Examples that come to mind are Russian Easter and Grand Canyon Suite (vocal style, jaw vib), L'enfant et les Sortileges and Bolero (slide vib, "jazz" style), Song of India (wait, how did that get in there??), etc. Maybe it's because I'm also an active jazz and commercial player that I have a bit higher comfort level with vibrato in general and slide vibrato in particular, but it seems that many players are limiting their musical palettes by not even exploring these sonic possibilities. Of course there are notable trombonists who do use vibrato in the situations above (and others, like Mahler 3, which I'm not 100% crazy about, personally), but I think most of us can agree that it's largely under-used and under-discussed. Could this be a regional issue in some ways? Most European conductors I've worked with don't have a beef with vibrato. Americans generally prefer a straight tone. What do you think? - Andy ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:46:05 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bass Trombone Duets To: Denton Thomas Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <12205689.1139240765769.JavaMail.root@web16> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'll second this - the alto sax transcriptions work very well, just change clef and add three flats... J.c. ---- Denton Thomas wrote: > David- > > An old sax-playing friend and I get together once a year or so to play > duets. The Bach Two-Part Inventions have become standard-ish material, > and reading off the 2nd sax part makes for fun. It's in a great > register, and the timbre difference is nice, too. > > Cheers, > > Denton Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of David Shriver > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:56 PM > To: 'List Trombone' > Subject: [Trombone-l] Bass Trombone Duets > > Hello fellow trombonists, > > I'm looking for some duets for bass trombone and something else. I've got > several pieces for bass and tenor trombone but I'm looking for something > that uses bass trombone and something else. The something else could be > anything from strings to voice to woodwinds or brass. I'd even be willing > to consider stuff not originally for bass trombone but that would work on > bass trombone. > > Any suggestions? > > Clear Skies, > Dave Shriver > > > > -- > DentonLT@usa.net / dentonlt.com > +1.512.680.7395 > Entering DMA: Performance, Trombone > The University of Texas at Austin > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:54:06 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I was reading an interview with Roger Norrington recently and he contends that no orchestras used vibrato at all prior to the 1930s. I think he bases his requirements on that, which gives one or two string sections pause for thought when he's on the podium. In the context of trombone playing specifically, personally I can hang with that with the odd exception. Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay > Not to veer too far off, but this issue is one that doesn't get enough > attention in the classical music sphere either, IMO. I like to use a > little tasteful slide vibrato in Bolero for example, which seems nearly > heretical these days, but in performance I think it works. In fact, I > believe judicious use of this technique can enhance a great deal of > literature, in both solo and symphonic settings. It seems that > trombonists are generally encouraged to master various types of vibrato in > school, but then discouraged from actually putting those skills into > practice professionally. It seems odd to me that every other instrument > in the orchestra uses vibrato in solo situations, but trombonists (and > tubists, I guess) don't. Examples that come to mind are Russian Easter > and Grand Canyon Suite (vocal style, jaw vib), L'enfant et les Sortileges > and Bolero (slide vib, "jazz" style), Song of India (wait, how did that > get in there??), etc. Maybe it's because I'm also an active jazz and > commercial player that I have a bit higher comfort level with vibrato in > general and slide vibrato in particular, but it seems that many players > are limiting their musical palettes by not even exploring these sonic > possibilities. > > Of course there are notable trombonists who do use vibrato in the > situations above (and others, like Mahler 3, which I'm not 100% crazy > about, personally), but I think most of us can agree that it's largely > under-used and under-discussed. Could this be a regional issue in some > ways? Most European conductors I've worked with don't have a beef with > vibrato. Americans generally prefer a straight tone. What do you think? ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:47:10 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner To: , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <20060206154633.C22F373A76@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So very true! BUT. With such huge exposure, you'd think ANYONE performing in such a venue would want to put on the best presentation of their product possible. I guess the Stones are bigger than that and probably don't care since they still sell out stadiums. Oh Well. Eric -----Original Message----- From: dslide13@aol.com [mailto:dslide13@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:09 AM To: eric@elsjledwards.net; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner Firstly, going to the Super Bowl to find music is like going to Starbuck's to get a blood test. If you want "music", then you have to go to a venue that deals in music. The NFL deals in entertainment and they're not concerned with entertaining us. This forum is evidence of the fact that WE are a niche audience and not the kind of mammoth big-spending audience to which they cater. Secondly, I listened to the game on the radio...and the SSB didn't bother me. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Eric Edwards To: Trombone-L Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:11:33 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Star Mangled Banner Hi All, I have to admit I was premature in my blasting of the half-time show. I tuned in just in time to see most of it, and it WAS better than previous years. As some folks have expressed, I wasn't impressed with the Stones performance either. Yeah, the stage was cool! Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:34 PM To: Eric Edwards; tpin@tpin.okcu.edu; Trombone-L Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner It was very simple - just the Rolling Stones, doing what they do. I'll take it... Gabe --- Eric Edwards wrote: > Yet another reason to skip the stupid bowl. > > I turned it off after that. > How bad is/was the half-time afterbirth? > > Eric > > > > Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily > Edwards > "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low > price has faded." > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:14:29 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Daryl Burch Cc: Bone List Message-ID: <05135c0af8189c9a3ea2351d8687c2a7@gt.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm not a Beatles fan nor a Rolling Stones fan (and they were popular when I was in high school). But I do wonder where the horn section was. I thought Michael Davis played bone on their tours. No? --Wayne Dyess On Feb 5, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Daryl Burch wrote: > > I know this'll get me blacklisted: But I've been trying to figure out > what the hype of the Stones is all about for at least the last 20 > years. And they've been around for almost 40. So I can't be the only > one. It's kinda like the Beattles. In that, they broke the mold, set a > new standard, and stayed there. I love EVERYTHING the Beattles > wrote.... ...as long as they're not playing it! > ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:30:35 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Vibrato - yeah or nay To: Keith Marr Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I was reading an interview with Roger Norrington recently and he contends > that no orchestras used vibrato at all prior to the 1930s. I think he bases > his requirements on that, which gives one or two string sections pause for > thought when he's on the podium. I've heard that vibrato is a "recording artifact," adopted at the time that wax-cylinder recording was invented, because singers and players were startled at how accurate their pitch had to be to sound good on record. After a few decades (probably by 1950), it had become passe in some areas (e.g. big band jazz, esp. with the influence of the vibrato-free Kenton band on brass players), and had become de riguer in others (e.g. opera singing). It's one of those theories that would be hard to prove (cuz how can you really know what performers sounded like before recording was invented) but the author had researched a bunch of late-19th-century newspapers and other writings to get the most accurate picture possible of vibrato use, and became convinced that vibrato was quite rare before the advent of recording. George ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:56:38 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Lindberg Bass To: Trombone List Message-ID: <43E77FC6.9060801@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >Buddy of mine has the 10.5 Rose. I've only tried the 9.5 rose and a sterling prototype. I've also tried the Greenhoe and it rocked. I would sell my soul, I think for a 9.5 sterling greenhoe... > > > I think you'd just about have to. Eric ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:58:40 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Star Mangled Banner To: Bone List Message-ID: <43E78040.5000202@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Wayne Dyess wrote: >I'm not a Beatles fan nor a Rolling Stones fan (and they were popular >when I was in high school). But I do wonder where the horn section >was. I thought Michael Davis played bone on their tours. No? > > > Wayne, I think only a few of their songs use the horns. Eric ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:04:09 -0800 From: Tony Clements Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Lindberg Bass To: , Trombone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Where can I check out this new instrument online? Thanks. Tony Clements ------------------------------ Message: 35 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:14:39 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] New Lindberg Bass To: Tony Clements Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <15967393.1139246079473.JavaMail.root@web24> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Even their own website doesn't have it. J.c.S. ---- Tony Clements wrote: > Where can I check out this new instrument online? Thanks. > > Tony Clements > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6 *****************************************