Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 27 Date: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 27 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Commerce vs. Art Bebop Groups (Daryl Burch) 2. Re: Which size mute? (Raymond Horton) 3. Re: Finally, our prayers are answered (Steve Gamble) 4. Michael Brecker? (Bill Dinwiddie) 5. Re: Michael Brecker? (Raymond Horton) 6. Re: Michael Brecker? (George Carr) 7. Re: Michael Brecker? (Daryl Burch) 8. Torino 2006 - Winter Olympics (Alby Tbone) 9. Re: Which size mute? (Tom Izzo) 10. Re: Finally, our prayers are answered (sabutin) 11. Re: Commerce vs. Art Bebop Groups (Chris Tune) 12. Re: Michael Brecker? (Chris Tune) 13. Wichita Train Whistle (Richard Bartkus) 14. Re: Wichita Train Whistle (Jon) 15. Re: Musician Test[humor] (Daniel Pliskin) 16. Re: Wichita train Whistle (Bill Dinwiddie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:08:59 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Commerce vs. Art Bebop Groups To: Jeff Albert Cc: "Trb. List" Message-ID: <8eb4275b7b33e7969c1ce3d0c031957b@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That was _exaclty_ my point. As far as modern day innovators go, I would have to point at Michael Brecker, Steve Turre and Herbie Hancock. These guys stretch boundaries in their own projects while maintaining a sense of sonic pleasure--bear with me--that keeps the album appealing to wider audiences. And they can sit down with the likes of Kelly Clarkson or Sarah McLachlan and contribute something appropriate to what they're trying to accomplish. Richard submits a good point about appropriate-ness. Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:43 AM, Jeff Albert wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Chris Tune wrote: >> >> At around this time, summarizers and consolidators became supreme >> (look at >> Freddie Hubbard critically. . .he really is a consolidator of a >> fabulous >> amount of great jazz, but doesn't pull or twist jazz into some >> entirely new >> direction--of course he's absolutely fabulous!). > > I don't think anyone was saying that every gig or player has to "pull > or twist jazz into some entirely new direction." The point is that > Freddie didn't just play Lee Morgan tunes with Lee Morgan's > arrangements. Freddie played Freddie, which came out of Lee Morgan, > but it wasn't just an imitation. > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:19:37 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Which size mute? To: Roger Carmichael Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43DA6439.9000006@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The Humes and Berg Symphonic Straight Mute is the best loud mute made, and is bargain priced. The tenor size works fine in a large tenor bell. The Crown mute has a nice, refined, sound, but the dang things dent so easily that I have given up buying a new one every few years and use the H&B all the time. I have an H&B brass bottom mute that I bought in 1984 - It has survived umpteen drops and is still sealed and plays great. Either the brass bottom or copper bottom are better sounding than the all-aluminum. We discussed cup mutes a couple of weeks back - the metal mutes (Jo-Ral, Wick) are louder, but have a mettalic sound that is not quite the classic cup sound. The H & B "bass trombone" cup is best for large tenors (use the "large bell bass trombone" for bass) and has the true cup sound but it is hard to get a lot of volume. Several players like the TrumCor wooden cup, but it is more expensive. My 4 cents, RBH Louisville Orchestra Roger Carmichael wrote: >I'm a big fan of Tom Crown copper-bottom straight mutes. I have both the tenor and bass sizes for my 42B (8 1/2" bell)and Shires Dbl rotor (9 1/2" bell). Each fit and look fine in both trombones. The Jo-Ral metal cup mutes also serve as straights by removing the cup. Only trouble is the time involved to R & R the cup while playing. > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Bill Langston >>Sent: Jan 27, 2006 10:24 AM >>To: Trombone-L >>Subject: [Trombone-l] Which size mute? >> >>I need to pick up a straight and cup mute (and will probably get a harmon / >>wow-wow while I'm at it, because the adolescent appeal still hasn't faded in >>middle-age). For a large-bore tenor (Holton TR-151), do I need to buy a >>tenor mute or bass mute? I've had tenor mutes in the past, and it seemed to >>me (particularly with the cup mute) that they were made for much smaller >>horns than mine. I've been looking at the Jo-Ral line, but I'm open to >>suggestions (I'd prefer to stay away from the Stone Lined-style mutes, as I >>have crushed too many of them in my lifetime already). >> >>Thanks -- Bill Langston >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:30:46 -0700 From: "Steve Gamble" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Finally, our prayers are answered To: "Gabriel Langfur" , "Trombones and related issues forum" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" That's how I became convinced that I could play the trombone. Although it was from a vinyl disk with a skip. So now I have to be careful never to play anything in Gb minor, unless there is someone around to give me a nudge. Funny thing is that f# minor doesn't seem to be a problem. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Langfur Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:59 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum Subject: [Trombone-l] Finally, our prayers are answered http://cgi.ebay.com/Hypnosis-CD-Learn-Trombone-Easy-Effective-Automatic_ W0QQitemZ7002281027QQcategoryZ29792QQcmdZViewItem Gabe Langfur Boston, MA _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:33:17 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] Michael Brecker? To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <001101c62370$247ba4b0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Has anyone got any news about how Michael Brecker is doing at this time. There was a great flurry of internet activity a while ago when his relatives were seeking donations of blood or tissue to help in his treatment. Since then I have not heard a word about his condition. Were they able to secure the donations? Is he better? Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:39:29 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Michael Brecker? To: Bill Dinwiddie Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <43DA68E1.50801@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bill Dinwiddie wrote: >Has anyone got any news about how Michael Brecker is doing at this time. >There was a great flurry of internet activity a while ago when his relatives >were seeking donations of blood or tissue to help in his treatment. Since >then I have not heard a word about his condition. Were they able to secure >the donations? Is he better? > >Bill Dinwiddie >billdin@comcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia *Michael Brecker* has been diagnosed with the blood disorder Myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS). Despite a widely-publicized worldwide search, Brecker was unable to find a matching stem cell donor. In late 2005, he was the recipient of an experimental partial matching stem cell transplant. As of early 2006, he still is seriously ill, and it is unclear whether the experimental procedure will provide a long term remedy. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:42:44 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Michael Brecker? To: Bill Dinwiddie Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 According to http://www.michaelbrecker.com/ he had a half-match transplant two weeks ago, and is recovering. Google is a good way to explore this stuff ... George On 1/27/06, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > Has anyone got any news about how Michael Brecker is doing at this time. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:44:21 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Michael Brecker? To: "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <0d24d566765aafadf8804b061f695efa@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed His site offers up that he received a half-match stem cell transplant and is recovering, if I understand correctly, out of the hospital. More details found on his site: http://www.michaelbrecker.com/ ...and I happen to be listening to him right now: Mike Stern "Is What It Is" ('94). Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > Has anyone got any news about how Michael Brecker is doing at this > time. > There was a great flurry of internet activity a while ago when his > relatives > were seeking donations of blood or tissue to help in his treatment. > Since > then I have not heard a word about his condition. Were they able to > secure > the donations? Is he better? > > Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:56:18 +0100 From: "Alby Tbone" Subject: [Trombone-l] Torino 2006 - Winter Olympics To: Message-ID: <003501c6237b$bf8bd640$28ab2c97@bimbo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, fellow 'bonists out there, anyone of you is coming to Torino for the winter Olympics? I live in Torino and if someone of you is coming here I will gladly drive him to some jam sessions to warm up the cold snowy nights. Bye Alby ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:05:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Which size mute? To: Bill Langston , Trombone-L Message-ID: <20060127210503.30905.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bill, --- Bill Langston wrote: > I need to pick up a straight and cup mute (and will > probably get a harmon / > wow-wow while I'm at it, because the adolescent > appeal still hasn't faded in > middle-age). For a large-bore tenor (Holton > TR-151), do I need to buy a > tenor mute or bass mute? There are more than one size for Tenor & Bass instruments. I've got Tenor cups in 4 different sizes & even Bass cups in three different sizes. Straights are more forgiving; you can use just about any Bass straight for any Bass, Tenors still come in at least two different sizes. Tom I've had tenor mutes in > the past, and it seemed to > me (particularly with the cup mute) that they were > made for much smaller > horns than mine. I've been looking at the Jo-Ral > line, but I'm open to > suggestions (I'd prefer to stay away from the Stone > Lined-style mutes, as I > have crushed too many of them in my lifetime > already). > > Thanks -- Bill Langston > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:55:41 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Finally, our prayers are answered To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <28859452.1138398941379.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since almost all of us are already quite well hypnotized into thinking that we are indeed "us"...I often wonder whether one can be hypnotized again. I guess you are just put into a deeper trance state... Hypnotist: "You are getting sleeeeeepy..." Subject: "But...I'm ALREADY practicing long tones!!!" What bullshit. S. -----Original Message----- >From: Gabriel Langfur >Sent: Jan 27, 2006 6:58 PM >To: Trombones and related issues forum >Subject: [Trombone-l] Finally, our prayers are answered > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Hypnosis-CD-Learn-Trombone-Easy-Effective-Automatic_W0QQitemZ7002281027QQcategoryZ29792QQcmdZViewItem > > > >Gabe Langfur >Boston, MA >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:57:45 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Commerce vs. Art Bebop Groups To: "Jeff Albert" Cc: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW" , "Trb. List" Message-ID: <00a801c623ae$3be7b380$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Yes, but this idea that the world's musical greats fall into these camps where there are "innovators" and "summarizers" seems to me to be drawing a serious distinction between those that "twist and pull" music into a new direction as opposed to someone who puts that stuff together and "summarizes" a certain school of thought. I wasn't implying that any particular soloist was simply following another's exact style. . or anything like that. . . I certainly can see the various "schools" of thought in jazz. There are many, but you can clearly see how BeBop differs from say Free Jazz. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Chris Tune" Cc: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC USAG Franconia DPW" ; "Robert Holland" ; "Trb. List" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Commerce vs. Art Bebop Groups > > On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Chris Tune wrote: >> >> At around this time, summarizers and consolidators became supreme (look >> at >> Freddie Hubbard critically. . .he really is a consolidator of a fabulous >> amount of great jazz, but doesn't pull or twist jazz into some entirely >> new >> direction--of course he's absolutely fabulous!). > > I don't think anyone was saying that every gig or player has to "pull or > twist jazz into some entirely new direction." The point is that Freddie > didn't just play Lee Morgan tunes with Lee Morgan's arrangements. > Freddie played Freddie, which came out of Lee Morgan, but it wasn't just > an imitation. > > Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:05:50 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Michael Brecker? To: "Daryl Burch" , "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <00c201c623af$5ce2bc50$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good news. And your "portfolio" is very impressive. Using CSS too, I see. . .very impressive. One day I hope to implement the Style Sheet on my christune.com website. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Burch" To: "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: "List Trombone" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Michael Brecker? > His site offers up that he received a half-match stem cell transplant > and is recovering, if I understand correctly, out of the hospital. More > details found on his site: > > http://www.michaelbrecker.com/ > > ...and I happen to be listening to him right now: Mike Stern "Is What > It Is" ('94). > > Cheers! > -D- > www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night > www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) > > > On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > >> Has anyone got any news about how Michael Brecker is doing at this >> time. >> There was a great flurry of internet activity a while ago when his >> relatives >> were seeking donations of blood or tissue to help in his treatment. >> Since >> then I have not heard a word about his condition. Were they able to >> secure >> the donations? Is he better? >> >> Bill Dinwiddie >> billdin@comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:18:22 -0800 From: Richard Bartkus Subject: [Trombone-l] Wichita Train Whistle To: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Does any know the personell on this album ? It was post Monkees Michael Nesmith. He used a 52 piece orchestra on Nov 18-19 1967 at RCA in Hollywood with open mic placement. It is a very bizarre album to listen to, but it is alledged that these were all the A-list players in LA on the session. I have been looking for something on the internet, figuring that somebody must know, but haven't found it yet. Thanks in advance Richard ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:31:03 -0800 From: "Jon" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wichita Train Whistle To: "'Richard Bartkus'" , "'List Trombone'" Message-ID: <20060128022944.KVJ20441.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@NEWXPS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here ya go: http://musicstore.connect.com/album/500/000/000/000/010/136/900/500000000000 010136900.html -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Bartkus Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:18 PM To: List Trombone Subject: [Trombone-l] Wichita Train Whistle Does any know the personell on this album ? It was post Monkees Michael Nesmith. He used a 52 piece orchestra on Nov 18-19 1967 at RCA in Hollywood with open mic placement. It is a very bizarre album to listen to, but it is alledged that these were all the A-list players in LA on the session. I have been looking for something on the internet, figuring that somebody must know, but haven't found it yet. Thanks in advance Richard _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:39:36 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Musician Test[humor] To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You missed a few of my favorites: Q) How do you fix a broken tuba? A) With a tuba glue. Q) Whatās the difference between a violin and viola? A) Nothing. But the violin looks smaller, up next to the violinistās swollen head. Q) Whatās the difference between the bull moose and an orchestra? A) A bull moose has horns which stand proudly out front and the a$$ h@!# is on the back in the back. Jeers, DanP ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:07:22 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wichita train Whistle To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <001b01c62424$eca3acd0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pretty impressive orchestra! I do not recognize the name Louise Black... on trombone. Who is this? Bill Dinwiddie Doug Dillard Banjo Michael Nesm... Guitar Michael Nesm... Arranger Michael Nesm... Vocals Michael Nesm... Producer Michael Nesm... Main Performer Frank Capp Percussion Buddy Childers Trumpet Buddy Collette Wind Victor Feldman Percussion Don Randi Piano Lou Blackburn Trombone Justin Gordon Wind Justin Gordon Woodwind James Burton Guitar Red Rhodes Guitar (Steel) Shorty Rogers Arranger Shorty Rogers Conductor Shorty Rogers Drums John Audino Trumpet Israel Baker Violin Israel Baker Concert Master Hal Blaine Drums Robert Barene Violin Arnold Belnick Violin Chuck Bergho... Bass Milt Bernhart Trombone Louise Black... Trombone Bud Brisbois Trumpet Jules Chaiken Trumpet Hank Cicalo Engineer Gene Cipriano Wind Gene Cipriano Woodwind Gary Coleman Percussion James A. Dec... Horn Jesse Ehrlich Cello James Getzoff Strings Bill Hinshaw Horn Bill Hinshaw French Horn Jim Horn Wind Jim Horn Woodwind Harry Hyams Viola Richard Hyde Trombone Jules Jacob Trombone Jules Jacob Woodwind John Kitzmil... Tuba Manny Klain Trumpet Manny Klein Trumpet Larry Knechtel Piano John Lowe Wind John Lowe Woodwind Edgar Lustga... Cello Edgar Lustga... Concert Master Leonard Mala... Violin Lew McCreary Trombone Ollie Mitchell Trumpet Alexander Ne... Viola Jack Nimitz Wind Jack Nimitz Woodwind Barrett O'Hara Trombone Earl Palmer Drums Richard Peri... Horn Richard Peri... French Horn Sam Rice Tuba Ralph Schaef... Violin Sid Sharp Violin Sid Sharp Concert Master Kenny Shroyer Trombone Tommy Tedesco Guitar Tony Terran Trumpet Tibor Zelig Violin James Zito Trumpet Joseph DiFiore Violin Dick Hyde Trombone Jimmy Zito Trumpet Jules Chaikin Trumpet Joe Howard Trombone Jim Decker French Horn ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 27 ******************************************