Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 22 Date: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 22 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: "Pretty" Trombone Duets? (Daniel Cloutier) 2. Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (dslide13@aol.com) 3. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (sabutin) 4. Music From the Inside Out (Mikel K. Smith) 5. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Wayne Dyess) 6. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (George Carr) 7. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Chris Tune) 8. Re: Slide Hampton's horn (Chris Tune) 9. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Jamie Stager) 10. Re: C-crook? (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 11. Re: Mystic circle (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 12. Re: FW: Eb crook for bass bone - now best Bartok gliss - now Ray Premru (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 13. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Chris Tune) 14. Re: Music From the Inside Out (Chris Tune) 15. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Jeff Albert) 16. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (sabutin) 17. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Don Fitzsimons) 18. Re: Mystic circle (Adrian Drover) 19. Re: FW: Eb crook for bass bone - now best Bartok gliss - now Ray Premru (Derrick Parker) 20. Re: Mystic circle (Adrian Drover) 21. OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/23/06 (Chris Waage) 22. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Pat McFarland) 23. What trombone is this (Patrik Arvhult) 24. Re: What trombone is this (Adrian Drover) 25. Re: What trombone is this (Denny Seifried) 26. Re: What trombone is this (Eric & Candice Swanson) 27. more on shanks (Tom Stark) 28. Re: Mystic circle (Galen Zinn) 29. Re: Leeds presents Practice With The Experts (Mike Caton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Cloutier Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "Pretty" Trombone Duets? To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20060122184327.8033.qmail@web50406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There are six duets for two recorders by Telemann that are some of my personal favorites. Very pretty stuff indeed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:44:26 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <8C7EDA362B39510-9A8-63CE@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Has anyone ever seen this book? It was compiled and edited by Paul Tanner and is filled with excercises penned by the likes of Milt Bernhart, Harry Betts, Dick Nash, Tommy Pederson, Frank Rosolino, Moe Schneider, Lloyd Ulyate, Si Zentner, et al... When I was first starting to get my chops together, my trombone teacher had me doing a diatonic flexibility excercise that Rosolino contributed to the book. It was basically a template for his style of turns utilizing the natural breaks of the harmonic series. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:17:01 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20516141.1137961021489.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes. I used it too. I have a xeroxed copy now. Mine disappeared, If you want it. I'll be back in NYC next week. Get in touch. Sam -----Original Message----- >From: dslide13@aol.com >Sent: Jan 22, 2006 8:44 PM >To: trombone-l@samford.edu >Subject: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts > >Has anyone ever seen this book? It was compiled and edited by Paul >Tanner and is filled with excercises penned by the likes of Milt >Bernhart, Harry Betts, Dick Nash, Tommy Pederson, Frank Rosolino, Moe >Schneider, Lloyd Ulyate, Si Zentner, et al... > >When I was first starting to get my chops together, my trombone teacher >had me doing a diatonic flexibility excercise that Rosolino contributed >to the book. It was basically a template for his style of turns >utilizing the natural breaks of the harmonic series. > >David Gibson >trombonist/educator >www.jazzbone.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:16:54 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: [Trombone-l] Music From the Inside Out To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Check it out: http://www.musicfromtheinsideout.com/ If you click on "Fun Stuff" at the bottom of the page, you can see a clip of Nitzan Haroz playing at the 5 Spot in Philly. Mikel ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:25:36 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: dslide13@aol.com Cc: Bone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed GREAT book. A friend of mine from the Falconaires (Lanny Marshall) gave me a copy years ago. With today's technology, I scanned and was able to clean it up considerably. I believe it is out-of-print. Before folks go asking me for a copy of the pdf I compiled... I saved it to a CD-r, and haven't seen it in ages. Ken -- do you still have your copy? GREAT book. I still have my copy of the book. Just not the pdf file. --Wayne Dyess On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:44 PM, dslide13@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone ever seen this book? It was compiled and edited by Paul > Tanner and is filled with excercises penned by the likes of Milt > Bernhart, Harry Betts, Dick Nash, Tommy Pederson, Frank Rosolino, Moe > Schneider, Lloyd Ulyate, Si Zentner, et al... > > When I was first starting to get my chops together, my trombone teacher > had me doing a diatonic flexibility excercise that Rosolino contributed > to the book. It was basically a template for his style of turns > utilizing the natural breaks of the harmonic series. > > David Gibson > trombonist/educator > www.jazzbone.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:26:17 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: Wayne Dyess Cc: Bone List , dslide13@aol.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If it's out of print, is there someone on this list who wouldn't mind scanning and distributing it? :) George On 1/22/06, Wayne Dyess wrote: > GREAT book. A friend of mine from the Falconaires (Lanny Marshall) > gave me a copy years ago. With today's technology, I scanned and was > able to clean it up considerably. I believe it is out-of-print. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:29:06 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: "sabutin" , Message-ID: <002301c61fbc$67355920$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Not only have I seen it, but you might want to mention this name along with the others: Harold Diner Hal's exercise is one of the most unusual. He routinely did this as part of a complete warm up--Start with a nice, rich, slow Pedal Bb. . slur up cleanly to the low Bb and so on up the partials until you stop at the very high F an octave and a fifth above middle C (YES. . .you DO include the "out of tune" partial of the Ab. . .and as you do this one position two, three, etc. . .you include the very out of tune notes there, as well). The was his "classic" warmup and an odd one, from what I've seen. I'm not sure where he got this from. One of his most important training regime exercises came straight from Harry Glantz. Chris Just for the nostalgia, I'd certainly be interested in swapping stuff with anyone who could get a copy of this (it is out of print). I probably have some unavailable out of print stuff that is unique and good. Now, I hope we don't start a back and forth about copyright law. . .it probably is not legal to copy stuff just because whoever owns the copyright refuses to publish. But then, what does the economic world do about items that would sell at the rate of one copy every year or two? NOTHING. There presently isn't a way to fill the need for rarely purchased works. This is just like what "All My Friends are Trombone Players" is like right now. Probably Pederson's and Dick Noel"s (Noel had the record label) estates are entitled to economic return on this. . .but not enough units could be produced and sold in order to make it economical to distribute. That is beginning to change with outlets like CD Baby, where "orphan" music could be distributed efficiently at almost any volume. But so few know about these things that many works languish. Some like to be what I'd call "jingistic" about the issue and believe that works should simply be unavailable "regardless" . . .if the work would not and could not be published at a profit to the publisher. That is not written in copywrite law because that was not the idea when law like this began. Typically publishing, then was a very cottage industry with print works being the thrust and with, Benjamin Franklin, as an example of a printer/publisher. If someone needed a one-off, they could contact the small business and plead for a deal, perhaps offering to come there and help at the shop while work was done for the small run. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabutin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts > Yes. I used it too. I have a xeroxed copy now. Mine disappeared, If you > want it. I'll be back in NYC next week. Get in touch. > > Sam > > -----Original Message----- >>From: dslide13@aol.com >>Sent: Jan 22, 2006 8:44 PM >>To: trombone-l@samford.edu >>Subject: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts >> >>Has anyone ever seen this book? It was compiled and edited by Paul >>Tanner and is filled with excercises penned by the likes of Milt >>Bernhart, Harry Betts, Dick Nash, Tommy Pederson, Frank Rosolino, Moe >>Schneider, Lloyd Ulyate, Si Zentner, et al... >> >>When I was first starting to get my chops together, my trombone teacher >>had me doing a diatonic flexibility excercise that Rosolino contributed >>to the book. It was basically a template for his style of turns >>utilizing the natural breaks of the harmonic series. >> >>David Gibson >>trombonist/educator >>www.jazzbone.org >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:32:33 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Slide Hampton's horn To: "Walter Barrett" , Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <002b01c61fbc$e3024f90$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original According to this, the 13.30 mm bore diameter is a .524 in translation so it is very like the .525 of the other mentioned horn. I didn't see mention on the German site about the bell diameter. . .maybe I looked too fast. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Barrett" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Slide Hampton's horn On Jan 21, 2006, at 7:31 PM, stjones@umbc.edu wrote: > My question is - what kind of trombone does Slide Hampton > play. The bell looked very large, almost 9 inches. > > Thank you. > > Stephen Jones http://www.worischek.de/englisch/html/referenzen.html Walter Barrett ?You blow in this one end- and a sound comes out the other end that disrupts the universe.? -Roswell Rudd, on the trombone Alto, tenor, bass trombones Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba Yamaha Artist/Clinician http://www.walterbarrett.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:58:37 -0500 From: Jamie Stager Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: dslide13@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <1a3ad772fdfee361378c4384aba0ef3b@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi David and listers, I have a photocopy of this book which has been passed from player to player in Toronto. I believe the original from which my copy was made belonged to Jerry Johnson. I love the excercises in this book, and I have gone through several phases of practising out of it. Jamie Stager Toronto, Ontario, Canada On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:44 PM, dslide13@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone ever seen this book? It was compiled and edited by Paul > Tanner and is filled with excercises penned by the likes of Milt > Bernhart, Harry Betts, Dick Nash, Tommy Pederson, Frank Rosolino, Moe > Schneider, Lloyd Ulyate, Si Zentner, et al... > > When I was first starting to get my chops together, my trombone teacher > had me doing a diatonic flexibility excercise that Rosolino contributed > to the book. It was basically a template for his style of turns > utilizing the natural breaks of the harmonic series. > > David Gibson > trombonist/educator > www.jazzbone.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:38:49 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] C-crook? To: Charles Levine Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <13695641.1137991129755.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ed Anderson used this. J.c. ---- Charles Levine wrote: > Why not a crook that would put low C in first position? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:43:25 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mystic circle To: Bill Dinwiddie Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <28439170.1137991405088.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Didn't work for me... J.c. ---- Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > I know this is a little off the beaten path, but it's cool. I was wondering > if > any of you highly intelligent folks on the List can figure out how this > works? > Trombonists are very good problem solvers. > > Let me know if you know how this works. I do not have a solution. > > No prizes. Sorry. > > > > Try this. It works. > > http://trunks.secondfoundation.org/files/psychic.swf > > > Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 0:07:49 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Eb crook for bass bone - now best Bartok gliss - now Ray Premru To: Derrick Parker Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <17316076.1137992869769.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Actually, Premru played the majority of his career on a single valve Holton, an amazing instrument. He had the removable 2nd, which might have been Eb, but I never saw him use it. In fact, he didn't use the valve he had as often as most! At the end of his career, he started using a double valve Edwards in Bb/F/D. J.c.S. ---- Derrick Parker wrote: > I got to meet Ray Premru 20 odd years ago when I was living in Italy and he > was touring with the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble. What a lovely man. I > didn't get a chance to ask him much as he was more interested to find out > why I was living in Italian Alps, what the local music scene was, and how I > knew Chris Mowatt who was also in the PJBE. He made me feel great. > > As to whether he was the pioneer of the double (or single) valve bass > trombone in the UK I don't know. It may also have been due to the lifting of > performing restrictions by the US musicians union for British musicians in > the States in the late 50s and hence the discovery of of large bore > instruments and the Bb/F bass. For example Denis Wick got his first Conn 8H > in 1958. Ray certainly played a Boosey & Hawkes instrument for quite a long > time. In fact his instrument is still regularly used by Fred Deveraux in > Birmingham (UK) who was a great friend of Ray. > > To complete the thread circle Ray tuned the second valve to G where it stays > to this day! > > Derrick (also in G/Eb) > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:24:10 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: "George Carr" , "Wayne Dyess" Cc: Bone List , dslide13@aol.com Message-ID: <006201c61fdd$3dc10050$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original PRACTICE W/ The EXPERTS That is another thing: I'd be willing to take a copy and put it into PDF. I found that there are "freeware" versions of PDF conversion utilities. I used these to get various forms put into the website for the California Academic Decathlon. It think this would work very well for anything that is text or which comes from mainline programs. I don't know what it will do as regards images/graphics. . .but I'm willing to get into it, if it would help the trombone list. I know that Steve Ferguson and maybe a couple of other Los Angeles, CA based trombonists were hot on the idea of doing a modern version of this book. They would ask Alan Kaplan, Alex Isles and undoubtedly many other great players from around the trombone world to contribute. Then they would compile the thing. As far as I know they don't have a final version going yet. .it may still be in planning or gathering stages. I will have to ask Steve when next I see him. He's pretty busy with other things anyway. That whole chore, too, would be much easier with the tools now available to us (freeware PDF creation--Word---cheapo FINALE). If we sought to do that I'd suggest we standardize on using Word for text and Finale format for the music (it seems to be the widest distributed . . .AND you can get a freeware version of the basic music notation software from them. .it gives only very basic capability. .but then these are warm up exercises!). It is very easy to export a bit of music notation in the form of a graphic and then insert into a Word doc. . .ultimately printing out as a PDF document for easy distibution to literally the entire world. Before you poo-poo Finale. . .note that the free downloadable version was good enough for me to do a transcription of the Jazz solo from Bijou as played by Bill Harris. !! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carr" To: "Wayne Dyess" Cc: "Bone List" ; Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts > If it's out of print, is there someone on this list who wouldn't mind > scanning and distributing it? > :) > > George > > On 1/22/06, Wayne Dyess wrote: >> GREAT book. A friend of mine from the Falconaires (Lanny Marshall) >> gave me a copy years ago. With today's technology, I scanned and was >> able to clean it up considerably. I believe it is out-of-print. > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:39:32 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Music From the Inside Out To: "Mikel K. Smith" , Message-ID: <001801c61fdf$631ab2e0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original This is great! I recommend everybody take a peek. Nitzan has the right feel for this. . .the flutter toungue is "de rigeur" for the Salsa solo. . . [PS--this also demonstrates that really loud isn't as loud when you get down off the bandstand and just dance or listen in the audience] I just went over to catch Denis Jiron's band "Rumbankete" at a place here in L.A. called Steven's Steak House. Angelenos pretty much KNOW this place since it has been there forever and it is right in the heart of the industry area south of town right before "Commerce" CA. They have always had a good "live music" policy. Well Rumbankete is a regular there and I can see why. Rumbankete is a very, very good Salsa group. I can see this band doing very well. Denis has made the THREE BONE arrangements for the band and the bones sound GREAT. This is true Salsa like what Nitzan is doing here. It is fun to dance to, I can see that! I was moving the whole time I was checking out the Rumbankete band. You can't help but move. . . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikel K. Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Music From the Inside Out > Check it out: > http://www.musicfromtheinsideout.com/ > > If you click on "Fun Stuff" at the bottom of the page, you can see a clip > of > Nitzan Haroz playing at the 5 Spot in Philly. > > Mikel > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:13:28 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: Chris Tune Cc: Bone List , dslide13@aol.com, Wayne Dyess Message-ID: <06E2E1AC-6235-4E4F-9151-CEDFB3BB594F@jeffalbert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I don't think the free version of Finale does graphic export does it? You have to at least get to the $150 version, if not the full deal. BUT if you are exporting the notation as a graphic, it doesn't really matter what program you made it in. jva On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:24 PM, Chris Tune wrote: > PRACTICE W/ The EXPERTS > > That is another thing: I'd be willing to take a copy and put it > into PDF. > I found that there are "freeware" versions of PDF conversion > utilities. I > used these to get various forms put into the website for the > California > Academic Decathlon. It think this would work very well for > anything that is > text or which comes from mainline programs. I don't know what it > will do as > regards images/graphics. . .but I'm willing to get into it, if it > would help > the trombone list. > > I know that Steve Ferguson and maybe a couple of other Los Angeles, > CA based > trombonists were hot on the idea of doing a modern version of this > book. > They would ask Alan Kaplan, Alex Isles and undoubtedly many other > great > players from around the trombone world to contribute. Then they would > compile the thing. As far as I know they don't have a final version > going > yet. .it may still be in planning or gathering stages. I will > have to ask > Steve when next I see him. He's pretty busy with other things anyway. > > That whole chore, too, would be much easier with the tools now > available to > us (freeware PDF creation--Word---cheapo FINALE). > > If we sought to do that I'd suggest we standardize on using Word > for text > and Finale format for the music (it seems to be the widest > distributed . . > .AND you can get a freeware version of the basic music notation > software > from them. .it gives only very basic capability. .but then these > are warm up > exercises!). It is very easy to export a bit of music notation in > the form > of a graphic and then insert into a Word doc. . .ultimately > printing out as > a PDF document for easy distibution to literally the entire world. > > Before you poo-poo Finale. . .note that the free downloadable > version was > good enough for me to do a transcription of the Jazz solo from > Bijou as > played by Bill Harris. !! > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Carr" > To: "Wayne Dyess" > Cc: "Bone List" ; > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts > > >> If it's out of print, is there someone on this list who wouldn't mind >> scanning and distributing it? >> :) >> >> George >> >> On 1/22/06, Wayne Dyess wrote: >>> GREAT book. A friend of mine from the Falconaires (Lanny Marshall) >>> gave me a copy years ago. With today's technology, I scanned and >>> was >>> able to clean it up considerably. I believe it is out-of-print. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <19335951.1137998617716.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is also a "Practice With The Experts" clone that was published in Ireland a couple of years ago. "Practice With The Pros". I am in Holland right now, and due to the whims of technology and finance I cannot use my own computer, so I can't look it up easily. The publisher is a man named Bob Quick, and I believe that it is available from Warwick Music. I've got some interesting stuff in there, as do Jim Pugh and any number of others. It was published to fund music camps in Northern Ireland, and it's a worthwhile dollar three-eighty expenditure on that level as well. Sam ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:49:57 -0500 From: "Don Fitzsimons" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: Message-ID: <000001c61fea$6dab0290$67d29e04@yoursz6x6sefxo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I still have either the original or the suppliment to the original. I don't think that I have both anymore. don fitzsimons ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts > Has anyone ever seen this book? It was compiled and edited by Paul > Tanner and is filled with excercises penned by the likes of Milt > Bernhart, Harry Betts, Dick Nash, Tommy Pederson, Frank Rosolino, Moe > Schneider, Lloyd Ulyate, Si Zentner, et al... ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:21:40 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mystic circle To: , "'Bill Dinwiddie'" Cc: 'List Trombone' Message-ID: <001001c61ff6$09ad3540$0100a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: thetubameister@adelphia.net > > Didn't work for me... Didn't work for my wife either, but then math was never her best field of study. A. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:19:37 +0000 From: Derrick Parker Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Eb crook for bass bone - now best Bartok gliss - now Ray Premru To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, "thetubameister@adelphia.net" Message-ID: <7d3c31060601230119k779e4353n@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the info. Must talk to Fred about that the next time I see him. All the best Derrick On 23/01/06, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > > Actually, Premru played the majority of his career on a single valve > Holton, an amazing instrument. He had the removable 2nd, which might have > been Eb, but I never saw him use it. In fact, he didn't use the valve he > had as often as most! > > At the end of his career, he started using a double valve Edwards in > Bb/F/D. > > J.c.S. > > > ---- Derrick Parker wrote: > > I got to meet Ray Premru 20 odd years ago when I was living in Italy and > he > > was touring with the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble. What a lovely man. I > > didn't get a chance to ask him much as he was more interested to find > out > > why I was living in Italian Alps, what the local music scene was, and > how I > > knew Chris Mowatt who was also in the PJBE. He made me feel great. > > > > As to whether he was the pioneer of the double (or single) valve bass > > trombone in the UK I don't know. It may also have been due to the > lifting of > > performing restrictions by the US musicians union for British musicians > in > > the States in the late 50s and hence the discovery of of large bore > > instruments and the Bb/F bass. For example Denis Wick got his first Conn > 8H > > in 1958. Ray certainly played a Boosey & Hawkes instrument for quite a > long > > time. In fact his instrument is still regularly used by Fred Deveraux in > > Birmingham (UK) who was a great friend of Ray. > > > > To complete the thread circle Ray tuned the second valve to G where it > stays > > to this day! > > > > Derrick (also in G/Eb) > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:47:57 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mystic circle To: "'Adrian Drover'" Cc: 'List Trombone' Message-ID: <001b01c62002$179ac440$0100a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "All the Things You Are" uses Mystic Circles too. The cyclic changes in the first eight measures start in Ab and end in C. Same thing happens in the second eight. They start in Eb and end in G. Now that's magic! A. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:34:59 -0800 From: "Chris Waage" Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/23/06 To: Message-ID: <200601230334.AA87294170@trombone.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 5:32 AM CST on January 23, 2006. Scam/Fraud Alert: Please be cautious of offers by distant strangers to send you a high value (but counterfeit) cashier's check, and then have you wire the balance to them. The primary warning signs are e-mails sent with very poor grammar asking if you will consider shipping the item overseas. Banks will cash these counterfeit checks, but then hold you responsible for the funds when the check fails to clear. 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Chris Waage ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:35:38 -0600 From: "Pat McFarland" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: "'Jeff Albert'" , "'Chris Tune'" Cc: 'Bone List' , dslide13@aol.com, 'Wayne Dyess' Message-ID: <20060123121922.E7E46190154@nothing.midiowa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Maybe a little off-subject... CutePdf can convert documents creadted in other Windows applications into a .pdf. To the original application, it looks like a printerexcept it prints to a file that you determine. I use an old version of Allegro and I almost always print the finished product to CutePdf so it's easy to distribute. The best part is... it's free!! You also have to download a free file converter. Here's a link... http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp Pat McFarland -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Albert Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:13 AM To: Chris Tune Cc: Bone List; dslide13@aol.com; Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts I don't think the free version of Finale does graphic export does it? You have to at least get to the $150 version, if not the full deal. BUT if you are exporting the notation as a graphic, it doesn't really matter what program you made it in. jva On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:24 PM, Chris Tune wrote: > PRACTICE W/ The EXPERTS > > That is another thing: I'd be willing to take a copy and put it > into PDF. > I found that there are "freeware" versions of PDF conversion > utilities. I > used these to get various forms put into the website for the > California > Academic Decathlon. It think this would work very well for > anything that is > text or which comes from mainline programs. I don't know what it > will do as > regards images/graphics. . .but I'm willing to get into it, if it > would help > the trombone list. > > I know that Steve Ferguson and maybe a couple of other Los Angeles, > CA based > trombonists were hot on the idea of doing a modern version of this > book. > They would ask Alan Kaplan, Alex Isles and undoubtedly many other > great > players from around the trombone world to contribute. Then they would > compile the thing. As far as I know they don't have a final version > going > yet. .it may still be in planning or gathering stages. I will > have to ask > Steve when next I see him. He's pretty busy with other things anyway. > > That whole chore, too, would be much easier with the tools now > available to > us (freeware PDF creation--Word---cheapo FINALE). > > If we sought to do that I'd suggest we standardize on using Word > for text > and Finale format for the music (it seems to be the widest > distributed . . > .AND you can get a freeware version of the basic music notation > software > from them. .it gives only very basic capability. .but then these > are warm up > exercises!). It is very easy to export a bit of music notation in > the form > of a graphic and then insert into a Word doc. . .ultimately > printing out as > a PDF document for easy distibution to literally the entire world. > > Before you poo-poo Finale. . .note that the free downloadable > version was > good enough for me to do a transcription of the Jazz solo from > Bijou as > played by Bill Harris. !! > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Carr" > To: "Wayne Dyess" > Cc: "Bone List" ; > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts > > >> If it's out of print, is there someone on this list who wouldn't mind >> scanning and distributing it? >> :) >> >> George >> >> On 1/22/06, Wayne Dyess wrote: >>> GREAT book. A friend of mine from the Falconaires (Lanny Marshall) >>> gave me a copy years ago. With today's technology, I scanned and >>> was >>> able to clean it up considerably. I believe it is out-of-print. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:56:48 +0100 From: Patrik Arvhult Subject: [Trombone-l] What trombone is this To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200601231356.57810.arvhult@musiker.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone! I am supposed to try to convert from tenor to bass-trombone in a local symphonic wind-orchestra. I brought the thing home some days ago and started to practise on it right away. I found it has the low notes I need, in relatively convenient locations, and i'm very happy about it - a good start. Whilst reading some about bass-bones here, of course vent curios: What trombone is this? Its some big-bore Bb Conn (marked 265 on slide, marked 40 and 331730 on its bell-part) with two independent rotary valves mounted in line: an F valve and a "about" G valve. The G valve's crook is due to calcium stuck in its inner-most position. Maybe it isn't supposed to be a G configuration. With both valves combined I find a low c and h about 4th and 5th position. Compared to pictures on the net it looks very similar to a Conn 62Hi - but i guess the 62Hi has F and D attachments. Also, this horn is ca 10 years old, maybe a little older. Getting the terminology right: woud this horn be called a Bb/F/G or a Bb/F/Eb (combining F and ~G valves to Eb)? (( the day before i brought this evil artwork of plumbing home, some nieghbour girl surprised me: she knocked on my door just to say "your trombone sounds a lot better now!". I cant figure what she really means. Poor thing: thin walls and a bass-trombone next door. :,-( )) Best Regards, Patrik Arvhult V?ster?s - Sweden -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD1NKZjauAa1f6YKoRAuvsAKCaiTaQ6xhXhAFhm5KdgrYOYcdJ8ACfdvn1 I3zn4dlZZnSY9P9rU+fQa4w= =UvDs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:27:25 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] What trombone is this To: , Message-ID: <003301c62020$bffda030$0100a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Patrik Arvhult > Getting the terminology right: woud this horn be called a Bb/F/G or a > Bb/F/Eb > (combining F and ~G valves to Eb)? You can call it a Bb/F/G or a Bb/F/G/Eb, tho' by simply calling it a Bb/F/G everyone knows it has independent valves. If you call it a Bb/F/Eb it will be assumed that the valves are dependent. I sure hope this makes sense. A. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:30:46 -0500 From: "Denny Seifried" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] What trombone is this To: Cc: trombone-list Message-ID: <000701c62021$3841be00$6501a8c0@dseifried1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sounds like this might be a Conn 112H, which was Conn's original foray into an independent valved bass trombone. If low C is coming out around the 4th or flat 4th position, you have a second valve pitched in Gb; so this would be a Bb-F-Gb-D bass bone, which is a very common tuning for the independent bass bone. Some of the early versions may have had a 9.5 inch rose brass bell; however, the bulk of those produced by Conn were with a 10 inch rose brass bell. Denny Seifried Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Forum Moderator-Online Trombone Journal Forum (http://forum.trombone.org) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrik Arvhult" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] What trombone is this -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone! I am supposed to try to convert from tenor to bass-trombone in a local symphonic wind-orchestra. I brought the thing home some days ago and started to practise on it right away. I found it has the low notes I need, in relatively convenient locations, and i'm very happy about it - a good start. Whilst reading some about bass-bones here, of course vent curios: What trombone is this? Its some big-bore Bb Conn (marked 265 on slide, marked 40 and 331730 on its bell-part) with two independent rotary valves mounted in line: an F valve and a "about" G valve. The G valve's crook is due to calcium stuck in its inner-most position. Maybe it isn't supposed to be a G configuration. With both valves combined I find a low c and h about 4th and 5th position. Compared to pictures on the net it looks very similar to a Conn 62Hi - but i guess the 62Hi has F and D attachments. Also, this horn is ca 10 years old, maybe a little older. Getting the terminology right: woud this horn be called a Bb/F/G or a Bb/F/Eb (combining F and ~G valves to Eb)? (( the day before i brought this evil artwork of plumbing home, some nieghbour girl surprised me: she knocked on my door just to say "your trombone sounds a lot better now!". I cant figure what she really means. Poor thing: thin walls and a bass-trombone next door. :,-( )) Best Regards, Patrik Arvhult V?ster?s - Sweden -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD1NKZjauAa1f6YKoRAuvsAKCaiTaQ6xhXhAFhm5KdgrYOYcdJ8ACfdvn1 I3zn4dlZZnSY9P9rU+fQa4w= =UvDs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:02:02 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] What trombone is this To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43D4E1DA.6070500@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Patrik Arvhult wrote: >.....Compared to pictures on the net it looks very similar to a Conn 62Hi - but i >guess the 62Hi has F and D attachments. Also, this horn is ca 10 years old, >maybe a little older..... > >.....Getting the terminology right: woud this horn be called a Bb/F/G or a Bb/F/Eb >(combining F and ~G valves to Eb)? > > > Patrik, Sounds like it would be a Conn 112H. If both valves together produce Eb in first position and the valves are in-line, then the tuning is Bb/F/G/Eb as the horn can be played in all four keys. If both valves depressed produces D in first, it is Bb/F/Gb/D tuning. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Stark Subject: [Trombone-l] more on shanks To: Trombone Message-ID: <20060123155916.66143.qmail@web53214.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello again listers, Can anybody give the measurements on a bass trombone mouthpiece with a "no-leadpipe" shank? Thanks!! Tom ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:28:17 -0800 From: Galen Zinn Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mystic circle To: , Bill Dinwiddie Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" According to a nuclear physicist friend of mine this is how it works: "Do not want to burst any bubbles- but here is the explanation. Say you chose a number xy which equals 10*x +y. So 10*x + y -(x+y) = 9x. So if you picked a teen number this = 9, if you picked a twenties number, this is 18, a thirties = 27 etc. If one looks at the chart everyone of these numbers are the same and is the one that comes up". Sorry guys it won't work for you in 'Vegas. GZ On 1/22/06 8:43 PM, "thetubameister@adelphia.net" wrote: > Didn't work for me... > > J.c. > ---- Bill Dinwiddie wrote: >> I know this is a little off the beaten path, but it's cool. I was wondering >> if >> any of you highly intelligent folks on the List can figure out how this >> works? >> Trombonists are very good problem solvers. >> >> Let me know if you know how this works. I do not have a solution. >> >> No prizes. Sorry. >> >> >> >> Try this. It works. >> >> http://trunks.secondfoundation.org/files/psychic.swf >> >> >> Bill Dinwiddie >> billdin@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:00:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Mike Caton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts To: trombone-l@samford.edu, sabutin Message-ID: <43D50BB3.000001.04068@UNDERCOV-700393> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Sam, It is still available from Warwick Music; TB433 - Quick - Practice with the Pros - ? 17.95, Which is somewhere around $ 31 or so. The "order is complete" page says shipping is free if you pay with debit/credit online, but I don't know if that applies to international orders. Mike -------Original Message------- From: sabutin Date: 01/23/06 01:43:52 To: trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Leeds presents Practice With The Experts There is also a "Practice With The Experts" clone that was published in Ireland a couple of years ago. "Practice With The Pros". I am in Holland right now, and due to the whims of technology and finance I cannot use my own computer, so I can't look it up easily. The publisher is a man named Bob Quick, and I believe that it is available from Warwick Music. I've got some interesting stuff in there, as do Jim Pugh and any number of others. It was published to fund music camps in Northern Ireland, and it's a worthwhile dollar three-eighty expenditure on that level as well. Sam _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 22 ******************************************