Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Roger Carmichael) 2. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Eric & Candice Swanson) 3. Tenor trombone audition list for Vancouver Opera (Sharman King) 4. OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... (Ken Barnes) 5. Re: OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... (Earl Needham) 6. Re: OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... (Daryl Burch) 7. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Raymond Horton) 8. Re: FW: Mail problems (Tom Izzo) 9. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Tom Izzo) 10. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Tom Izzo) 11. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (George Carr) 12. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 13. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (JFBermann@aol.com) 14. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Daryl Burch) 15. Re: OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 16. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (mikesuter@adelphia.net) 17. Re: FW: Mail problems (Fred Hudson) 18. Re: OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... (Robert Bowman) 19. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Raymond Horton) 20. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Raymond Horton) 21. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Marius Helg ?) 22. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Keith Marr) 23. forming concert band (Nicholas Yip) 24. french horn and trumpet listservs (Nicholas Yip) 25. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Raymond Horton) 26. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Chris Tune) 27. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Chris Tune) 28. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now BT cup mutes (Raymond Horton) 29. Re: OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... (sabutin) 30. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now BT cup mutes (Bruce Faske) 31. test (Nicholas Yip) 32. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Marius Helg ?) 33. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Wayne Dyess) 34. Bass Trombone with Band (Christopher Hayes) 35. Re: Bass Trombone with Band (Phil Brink) 36. Once again... Sam Burtis in London and Holland, Fri. Jan. 20-Sat. Jan. 28 (sabutin) 37. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now BT cup mutes (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 38. Re: Bass Trombone with Band (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 39. Math question (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 40. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Paul Johnston) 41. Re: Math question (George Carr) 42. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Keith Marr) 43. Re: Math question (Eric & Candice Swanson) 44. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Eric & Candice Swanson) 45. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (richard.bartkus@cox.net) 46. Re: Math question (thetubameister@adelphia.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:23:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Carmichael Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: Charles De Paolo , Charles Levine , Trombone List Message-ID: <23072565.1137522223566.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Charles, I'll chime in on this one. An independent bass with both valves closed changes the pitch to Eb, provided the 2nd valve is keyed in G nat. If the 2nd valve is Gb, then both valves closed changes the pitch to "D." I've used both and find the G nat. slide works better (for me) when playing music with flats. With sharps, the Gb slide is the way to go. I use the 2nd valve independently for many notes I ordinarily would have to play in 4th position. Then, instead of 5th position, I use both valves in 2nd position. The combinations of valves and slides seems almost endless. Not only do we have the flexibility of valves, we also have alternate slide positions and valve/slide combinations. Now, if I can just remember which... Roger Carmichael -----Original Message----- >From: Charles De Paolo >Sent: Jan 17, 2006 11:40 AM >To: Charles Levine , Trombone List >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone > >Charles, > >This will probably set off a minor nuclear exchange, but here's my thoughts: > >On an independent horn, tuning the second valve so that both together give Eb is sometimes used as an alternative to the standard "D" tuning. One of my former professors, an excellent bass trombonist, musician and teacher, advocated this system. I tried it for a while (partly to see if it really was better and partly to humor him). In the end I was not convinced. In fact, I felt even more certain that it was a step backwards from the inherant advantages of the independent setup. Yes, the Eb system does make certain trigger register scale passages stack up* nicely, but the D system also allows for similar scale stacking that is just as nice. In the Eb system, low F and second space C can be played on the second valve alone, laying somewhere around 4th position. In the D system, the F and C are located just north of 3rd position. To me, having F and C closer is better than having them farther. Also, having F and C nearly equidistant between 1st and 4th positions is better than having them located closer to 4th, and thus asymmetrical. But the big flaw in the Eb system in my mind is the location of low B natural (two ledgers down). It is way out, somewhere south of 6th position. In the D system, it's around 5th position. Since we tend to play lots of B's, it's nice to have them lay closer than farther. Furthermore, if you're playing a low B, there's a good chance your are in a sharp key, and located in the same or nearly the same position as low B are C#, D and F#. Nice to have them right there rather than slush pumping back and forth from flat 6th to flat 4th. I've been able to handily navigate some pretty tough Toshiko and Mintzer passages using D tuning that would have been a certifiable nightmare if played on an Eb system. > >Keep in mind all this applies to an independent setup. If you're using a dependant setup (another major liability, IMO) then you have much bigger problems to deal with than whether a note is in position x or x+1. > >Your mileage may vary, and certainly there are advocates of the Eb system who will dispute what I have said. They will almost certainly point out advantages to Eb that I have overlooked. But in the end, you need to look around and see who's playing what. The numbers clearly support that, for most people, the D system is the way to go. > >Meine Zwei Pfennig, > >--Chuck > >* scale stacking - being able to play an entire scale without moving the slide more than a single position either way from a home position. In the D system, you can stack a low Eb scale from a home of ca. 3rd position and not have to pass north of 3rd or south of 4th. This exercise in and of itself is of little practical use, but what it does mean is that the principal notes of the Eb tonality are all going to lie close to one another, making tricky passages that happen to be in Eb that much easier to execute. Other examples in other keys exist too, but Eb is perhaps the most poignant. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Levine > To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:12 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone > > > Does anyone use the Eb crook? What are its advantages? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:25:44 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: Trombone List Message-ID: <43CD36A8.7050203@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Charles De Paolo wrote: >On an independent horn, tuning the second valve so that both together give Eb is sometimes used as an alternative to the standard "D" tuning....Yes, the Eb system does make certain trigger register scale passages stack up* nicely, but the D system also allows for similar scale stacking that is just as nice. In the Eb system, low F and second space C can be played on the second valve alone, laying somewhere around 4th position. In the D system, the F and C are located just north of 3rd position. To me, having F and C closer is better than having them farther. Also, having F and C nearly equidistant between 1st and 4th positions is better than having them located closer to 4th, and thus asymmetrical. But the big flaw in the Eb system in my mind is the location of low B natural (two ledgers down). It is way out, somewhere south of 6th position. In the D system, it's around 5th position. Since we tend to play lots of B's, it's nice to have them lay closer than farther. Furthermore, if you're playing a low B, there's a good chance your are in a sharp key, and located in the same or nearly the same position as low B are C#, D and F#. Nice to have them right there rather than slush pumping back and forth from flat 6th to flat 4th. I've been able to handily navigate some pretty tough Toshiko and Mintzer passages using D tuning that would have been a certifiable nightmare if played on an Eb system. > > > Chuck, Good response. I play in Eb (in-line valves) and I still don't disagree with anything you say. There are some advantages to both. Having to play low B in 6th is the big disadvantage to the Eb tuning. I tried my first bass trombone both ways when I first got it, and it just felt like the response was better in Eb so I stuck with it. I liked the fact that I had whole steps up and down the slide between the F and Eb sides of the horn....E and D in 2nd, Eb and Db in flat 3rd, D and C in 5th, and Db and Cb in 6th. I play most of my low Fs in 6th anyway, so I didn't mind so much being out on that end of the slide about half the time. I also like that with the second valve alone (sometimes called the G valve) I have an F in 4th, an E in 5th, and an Eb in 6th, which really come in handy sometimes. One slight advantage to Eb is less weight. Each side of a D tuning slide is about 4" more of inner and outer tubing usually. Not an insignificant amount of extra weight, at least a few more ounces to hold all the time. But, basically it's up to the individual player to decide. Since most of the horns are only made in D these days, most people never really have a choice. I use the Eb tuning, but I don't try to talk anybody else into using it because I realize it does have disadvantages. I estimate that only about 1 in 10 use the Eb tuning. Does that sound about right to anyone? Discuss... Eric Swanson Dallas Opera Orchestra Dallas freelancer ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:20:33 -0800 From: Sharman King Subject: [Trombone-l] Tenor trombone audition list for Vancouver Opera To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060117111737.04cc8d20@pop3.bookwarehouse.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, trombonists! My orchestra, the Vancouver Opera Orchestra, is having a tenor trombone audition. We only play four or five productions a year. While the position may not be of interest to many people on our list, I thought the audition material might be interesting for many of you: All candidates must be prepared to play: Rochut Melodious Etude #8 Polka Dots and Moonbeams (Jazz Standard) One major scale at 4/4 with quarter note followed by three beats rest, at soft dynamic. Excerpts from music listed below must also be prepared: Mozart Magic Flute Mozart Requiem (Tuba Mirum) Verdi Nabucco (chorale) Rossini La Gaza Ladre Ravel Bolero Mozart Don Giovanni We plan to have finalists play the Don Giovanni excerpt with the members of the section. Of course, all candidates must be eligible to work in Canada and must be AFM members. If you're interested in further details, please contact me - I'll put you in touch with the administrator. ************************************************* Sharman King 632 West Broadway Vancouver BC V5Z 1G1 phone 604 873 0661 800 929 5711 pager 604 640 5711 fax 604 876 5711 sharman@bookwarehouse.ca sharman@sharmanking.ca sharman@istar.ca ************************************************* ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:21:59 -0600 From: "Ken Barnes" Subject: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... To: Message-ID: <019c01c61b9b$4a0d3c20$6601a8c0@D5RNQT71> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Is this old hat? Probably so, I reckon, since, like my wife says, I'm about 3 years behind on just about everything... But if not, maybe someone will enjoy it like I did... But then again, I'm afraid some one might need a Guinness after reading it. Or should I say, I *hope* someone could use a Guinness...? ============================================= Subject: Yogi Berra explains jazz... Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The other half is the part people play while others are playing something they never played with anyone who played that part. If you play the right part, it might be right if you play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong. Interviewer: I don't understand. Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it. Interviewer: Do you understand it? Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't know anything about it. Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today? Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. Some would kill for it. Interviewer: What is syncopation? Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they happen because that would be some other type of music. Other types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something different from those other kinds. Interviewer: Now I really don't understand. Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that well. ======================================= Trombone content? uhh......... ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:28:10 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060117122719.027829f8@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:21 PM 1/17/2006, Ken Barnes wrote: > >Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? > >Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The >other half is the part people play while others are playing something they >never played with anyone who played that part. If you play the right part, >it might be right if you play it wrong enough. > >Trombone content? uhh......... Does this mean that 90% of all trombone playing is Guinness??? Earl on a rare day off! Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:49:08 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <4e466320341448468a0f6167a338334c@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That would be "90% of all trombone playing is HALF Guiness." The rest is covered in duct tape & SOM. On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Earl Needham wrote: > At 12:21 PM 1/17/2006, Ken Barnes wrote: > >> >> Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? >> >> Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. >> The >> other half is the part people play while others are playing something >> they >> never played with anyone who played that part. If you play the right >> part, >> it might be right if you play it wrong enough. >> >> Trombone content? uhh......... > > Does this mean that 90% of all trombone playing is Guinness??? > > Earl > on a rare day off! > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis > Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:52:32 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Simon Bailey Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CD4B00.6000200@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Once, on a serious contemporary work, had a harmon-plus-hand passage jump down to a low Db in the middle of a bunch of non-valve notes. I played it as a "falset" note (faked it in regular 6th position). If that doesn't work for you, could you pin a plunger or hat on the stand? RBH Simon Bailey wrote: >[this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please >excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. > >hi, > >we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] sammy >nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". > >the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half >plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and stays in >the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that >as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the >valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? > >thanks for any pointers, regards, >sb > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: Fred Hudson , Mark Mohwinkel , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060117200422.1672.qmail@web52714.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey, we're not starting an equipment survey again, are we? --- Fred Hudson wrote: > Shires, King 2B > There isn't enough bandwidth............. Tom Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:08:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: Charles Levine , Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060117200857.27780.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Charles Levine wrote: > Does anyone use the Eb crook? What are its > advantages? > _____ Sometimes......... What are the advantages of a D crook, or Db? (or G or Gb for inline'rs?) Depends on the music, rather than bringing several like-bore sizes I can change crooks. Usually though I find Bb/F/C as the most useful. Obviously my mileage varies (a lot). :-) Tom __________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Simon Bailey , trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060117201146.57836.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Simon Bailey wrote: > hi, > > the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on > piano are labelled "half > plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C > below the staff and stays in > the valve register until the chart says "open". it > stays down there after that > as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while > operating one or both of the > valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band > manage that? I don't know specifics on the Basie band's bass trombone (maybe SAm does???), But don't assume all Bass Trombones are in Bb or are all slided. Tom Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:22:56 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Tom Izzo Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I don't know specifics on the Basie band's bass > trombone (maybe SAm does???), > But don't assume all Bass Trombones are in Bb or are > all slided. Bill Hughes has 'owned' the bottom trombone book in Basie's band from 1963-2003, and was the first bass trombonist in the Basie band, when Basie added a fourth book in 1964 (although Benny Powell played a tenor with F attachment before then). http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=18013 I don't know if he's changed equipment over the years, but I've never seen him play anything larger than a single-valve Holton bass. I'm pretty certain it's in Bb. George ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:29:29 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: darylburch@speakeasy.net, crtune@adelphia.net Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu, needhame1@plateautel.net Message-ID: <2cf.1ca3fad.30feada9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If you are moving to a desert Island to live out your life in harmony. check it first to see if there are not sneezy monkeys under the palm tree. Specially if they blow a 'bone. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:34:33 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: georgecarr@gmail.com, contrabasstrombone@yahoo.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Basie band played with The Palm Beach Pops last year and the great Bill Hughes leads the band with his trusty Holton TR-185 at his side. It's there for one reason and one reason alone, he plays that beautiful silky smooth solo on April In Paris and sounds great! With his single valve, he played everything on it. The bands new bass trombonist does play an Edwards independent Thayer valve horn. The band sounds great, the Palm Beach Pops sounds great and we all had a great time! Jim Bermann ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:43:31 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu, needhame1@plateautel.net Message-ID: <6a7bcebe87bfcb18e00933de68580b55@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think I'll skip THAT island. You were right! There ARE monkeys. An' it turns out those monkeys play trumpet! Now if they had a palm tree with a Guiness tap in it... THAT'd be somethin'! Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 17, 2006, at 12:29 PM, BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > If you are moving to a desert Island to live out your life in > harmony.? check it first to see if there are not sneezy monkeys under > the palm tree. > ? > Specially if they blow a 'bone. > ? > beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:50:25 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <3677558.1137531025712.JavaMail.root@web28> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Nope. 90% of Yogi is half beer... J.c.S. ---- Earl Needham wrote: > At 12:21 PM 1/17/2006, Ken Barnes wrote: > > > > >Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? > > > >Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The > >other half is the part people play while others are playing something they > >never played with anyone who played that part. If you play the right part, > >it might be right if you play it wrong enough. > > > >Trombone content? uhh......... > > Does this mean that 90% of all trombone playing is Guinness??? > > Earl > on a rare day off! > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:35:35 -0800 From: mikesuter@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: trombone-l@samford.edu Cc: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Message-ID: <28444761.1137533735448.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 << . . . but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the valves? >> Something that's always worked for me is to just 'close down' my embouchure - cover the sound physically instead of mechanically. Try it. It works. MS ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:54:13 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "Tom Izzo" , "Mark Mohwinkel" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <008f01c61bb0$909648c0$82e6eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep - as well as duct tape preference and beer vs.ale. The best part of this thread is that it seems to have crowded all the (other*smile*) spam off my mail - at least for today! Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Fred Hudson" ; "Mark Mohwinkel" ; "'Trombone-L'" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems > Hey, we're not starting an equipment survey again, are > we? > > > --- Fred Hudson wrote: > > > Shires, King 2B > > > > There isn't enough bandwidth............. > > Tom > > > Tom Izzo > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; > Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; > Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ > (630) 858-7832 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:31:19 -0500 From: "Robert Bowman" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... To: , "Earl Needham" Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <003901c61bb5$bd0352e0$020aa8c0@main> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Speaking of beer! At a world brewing convention in the States, the CEOs of various brewing companies retired to the bar at the end of the first day's conference. Wombat Jack, CEO of Fosters, shouted to the barman: "In 'Straylya, we make tha best bladdy beer in tha world, so pour me a bladdy Fosters, mate." Bob, CEO of Budweiser, calls out next: "Here in the States, we brew the finest beers in the world - and I make the king of them all - gimme a Bud." Hans steps up next: "In Deutschland ve invented das beer, ferdamt! Give me ein Becks, ya das ist der real King of beers, danke." Paddy, CEO of Guinness, steps forward: "Barman, would ya please give me a diet coke with ice and lemon. Tanks." The others stare at him in stunned silence, amazement written all over their faces. Eventually Wombat Jack asks: "Are you not going to have a Guinness, Pat?" Paddy replies: "Well, if you fookin' pansies aren't drinkin', then neither am I." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Earl Needham" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... > Nope. 90% of Yogi is half beer... > > J.c.S. > > ---- Earl Needham wrote: >> At 12:21 PM 1/17/2006, Ken Barnes wrote: >> >> > >> >Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? >> > >> >Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The >> >other half is the part people play while others are playing something >> >they >> >never played with anyone who played that part. If you play the right >> >part, >> >it might be right if you play it wrong enough. >> > >> >Trombone content? uhh......... >> >> Does this mean that 90% of all trombone playing is Guinness??? >> >> Earl >> on a rare day off! >> >> >> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >> >> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" >> on it) >> >> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:21:34 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Adrian Drover Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CD7BFE.5030501@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Wonderful! (Nice to know that your toes are talented, also, A.!) RBH Adrian Drover wrote: >>From: Simon Bailey >> >>... how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the >>valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? >> >> >I've seen this a lot, and done by otherwise very good arrangers. Of course, >the copyist is partly responsible too for not spotting the error. I once >came across a part written with open and close plunger work in the valve >register on a TV show I was playing. The arranger was also the MD. On >rehearsal, to make a point on how impracticable this was to play, I removed >the shoe and sock from my left foot, stuck my big toe thru' the holding loop >of the plunger and played the part as written. One of the cameramen caught >the action, stirring the producer to ask the MD what was going on in the >trombone section. Fortunately, the MD had a good sense of humour and >learned some valuable information regarding the capabilities of the bass >trombone. He even bought me a Guinness during the break as a thank-you for >the free lesson, or maybe it was for the entertainment. Not surprisingly, >the producer decided against keeping it in the show. > >A. > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:08:17 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Jeff Albert Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CD86F1.7020302@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jeff Albert wrote: >... Most plungers are too small for >bass trombones anyway, so full plunger only sounds like half plunger >as it is. Half plunger just sounds like the waitress walked between >the listener and your bell...hopefully coming to the band stand with >a round given by a fan of the music. ;) > >Jeff > > > Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for bass trombone: 1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller Tuxedo Plunger - Great sound. 2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. Cut it in half carefully with some tough scissors and you have two plungers - one with a large handle at an angle for agile plunge-playing, one with no handle for a quicker pickup. Either will make your horn "bark" (sorry), roar or sing, - whatever you need a plunger to do - the sound you can get with one of these is amazing. Buy one at PetSmart ($12.95) or check it out here: http://www.dogtoys.com/jollyball10.html 8 inch model is good for tenor, but not as dramatic an improvement over the bathroom variety. RBH ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:15:38 +0100 From: Marius Helg ? Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for bass trombone: > > 1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller Tuxedo Plunger - Great > sound. > > > 2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. > A third variety: Detach the cup section from a Denis Wick adjustable Cup mute, and attach a bathroom plunger to it, and there you go: a perfect-fit plunger with a nice (imho) sound for the Bass Trombone. (But not very practical if you need the cup mute under ten bars later) Marius Helg? Bass Trombone Mo i Rana, norway ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:21:29 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- > > Also, I've seen big bands where idle bari sax players work the bass > trombone plunger mute > This would do it for me. I'll have a word with our idle Bari player on Thursday's rehearsal . . . Maybe he could give me a shoulder massage for the rest of the chart! Seriously, I've found the only musical solution is to play into the stand. These passages are usually not extensive enough to make arrangements with duct tape etc. worth the effort. We have a couple of charts where these things happen for about 2 bars at most. Keith in Bb/F/D ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Nicholas Yip" Subject: [Trombone-l] forming concert band To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <50220.10.113.56.126.1137544034.squirrel@mail.srcs.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, For anyone who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, and are interested in looking for more time to play, I am trying to put together a concert band. If interested and want to know more about it or me, email me at nyip@srcs.org. Hope to hear from you. Nicholas Yip steel pans and music teacher ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:28:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Nicholas Yip" Subject: [Trombone-l] french horn and trumpet listservs To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <50230.10.113.56.126.1137544122.squirrel@mail.srcs.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Also I am interested in looking for French Horn and trumpet listservs? Nicholas Yip steel pans and music teacher ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:34:53 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Marius Helg? Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CDC56D.5080702@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is the Denis Wick cup mute any good? My section mates use the Jo-Ral cups, but I don't like the bass Jo-Ral because it is so metallic sounding. My H & B cup doesn't blend with the JoRal very well, either. RBH. Marius Helg? wrote: >>Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for bass trombone: >> >>1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller Tuxedo Plunger - Great >>sound. >> >> >>2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. >> >> >> >A third variety: > >Detach the cup section from a Denis Wick adjustable Cup mute, and attach a >bathroom plunger to it, and there you go: a perfect-fit plunger with a nice >(imho) sound for the Bass Trombone. (But not very practical if you need the >cup mute under ten bars later) > >Marius Helg? >Bass Trombone >Mo i Rana, norway > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:47:31 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: "Raymond Horton" , Marius Helg? Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <000701c61bea$4b005cd0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Seems like the H&B is really the only way to go. I base this upon the typical usage of a cup mute: Big Band jazz and less often, jazz trombone in combo or as soloist. The "woody" sound of the fibre H&B seems to be the "de rigeur" sound expected in cup. I can sympathize in wanting to find a great cup mute, one better than the Humes and Berg. I'd love to find such a mute. The mute would have to be made of similar materials to the H&B, but better made. The important thing is the sound. But construction is a good second to that. It seems to me that the metallic mutes are putting construction ahead of sound quality. That is just my opinion. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Horton" To: "Marius Helg?" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Is the Denis Wick cup mute any good? My section mates use the Jo-Ral cups, but I don't like the bass Jo-Ral because it is so metallic sounding. My H & B cup doesn't blend with the JoRal very well, either. RBH. Marius Helg? wrote: >>Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for bass trombone: >> >>1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller Tuxedo Plunger - Great >>sound. >> >> >>2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. >> >> >> >A third variety: > >Detach the cup section from a Denis Wick adjustable Cup mute, and attach a >bathroom plunger to it, and there you go: a perfect-fit plunger with a nice >(imho) sound for the Bass Trombone. (But not very practical if you need the >cup mute under ten bars later) > >Marius Helg? >Bass Trombone >Mo i Rana, norway > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:55:02 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: "Eric Edwards" , "'Adrian Drover'" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <004101c61beb$57ada4a0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Can I get a copy of a recording of said "whale flatulence"? This sounds like something that was left out of my "sounds of nature" sound effects library. Sounds like a subwoofer is needed for this one. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Edwards" To: "'Adrian Drover'" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > > What I hate even more than that is trying to do a shake on a low D below > the > staff. > Sounds like whale flatulence!! > Can't remember off-hand what chart it was in. > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Adrian Drover > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:46 AM > To: 'Simon Bailey'; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > > > >> From: Simon Bailey >> >> we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for >> us] sammy nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count >> basie". >> >> the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled >> "half plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the >> staff and stays in the valve register until the chart says "open". it >> stays down there after that as well, but how do i play "half plunger" >> while operating one or both of the valves? how did the bass trombonist >> in basie's band manage that? > > > I've seen this a lot, and done by otherwise very good arrangers. Of > course, > the copyist is partly responsible too for not spotting the error. I once > came across a part written with open and close plunger work in the valve > register on a TV show I was playing. The arranger was also the MD. On > rehearsal, to make a point on how impracticable this was to play, I > removed > the shoe and sock from my left foot, stuck my big toe thru' the holding > loop > of the plunger and played the part as written. One of the cameramen > caught > the action, stirring the producer to ask the MD what was going on in the > trombone section. Fortunately, the MD had a good sense of humour and > learned some valuable information regarding the capabilities of the bass > trombone. He even bought me a Guinness during the break as a thank-you > for > the free lesson, or maybe it was for the entertainment. Not surprisingly, > the producer decided against keeping it in the show. > > A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:56:57 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now BT cup mutes To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CDCA99.9020701@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Actually I agree that the H& B is the classic cup sound. I don't really like the sound that my section mates get with the Jo-Rals, but I would like to match them better. Some times I just use a metal straight mute and take the edge off the sound, depending on the particular passage (and how motivated I am to bring in another mute). It's about as close to their sound. RBH Chris Tune wrote: > Seems like the H&B is really the only way to go. I base this upon the > typical usage of a cup mute: > > Big Band jazz and less often, jazz trombone in combo or as soloist. > > The "woody" sound of the fibre H&B seems to be the "de rigeur" sound > expected in cup. > > I can sympathize in wanting to find a great cup mute, one better than > the Humes and Berg. I'd love to find such a mute. The mute would > have to be made of similar materials to the H&B, but better made. The > important thing is the sound. But construction is a good second to > that. It seems to me that the metallic mutes are putting construction > ahead of sound quality. That is just my opinion. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Horton" > > To: "Marius Helg?" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > > > Is the Denis Wick cup mute any good? My section mates use the Jo-Ral > cups, but I don't like the bass Jo-Ral because it is so metallic > sounding. My H & B cup doesn't blend with the JoRal very well, either. > > RBH. > > Marius Helg? wrote: > >>> Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for bass trombone: >>> >>> 1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller Tuxedo Plunger - >>> Great >>> sound. >>> >>> >>> 2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. >>> >>> >>> >> A third variety: >> >> Detach the cup section from a Denis Wick adjustable Cup mute, and >> attach a >> bathroom plunger to it, and there you go: a perfect-fit plunger with >> a nice >> (imho) sound for the Bass Trombone. (But not very practical if you >> need the >> cup mute under ten bars later) >> >> Marius Helg? >> Bass Trombone >> Mo i Rana, norway >> ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:36:57 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] OT: Yogi Berra explains jazz... To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Is this old hat? Probably so, I reckon, since, like my wife says, >I'm about 3 years behind on just about everything... May be old hat...but it is also PERFECT!!! > >But if not, maybe someone will enjoy it like I did... > >But then again, I'm afraid some one might need a Guinness after reading it. > >Or should I say, I *hope* someone could use a Guinness...? > > >============================================= >Subject: Yogi Berra explains jazz... > > >Interviewer: Can you explain jazz? > >Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The >other half is the part people play while others are playing something they >never played with anyone who played that part. If you play the right part, >it might be right if you play it wrong enough. > >But if you play it too right, it's wrong. > >Interviewer: I don't understand. > >Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's >too complicated. That's what's so simple about it. > >Interviewer: Do you understand it? > >Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't >know anything about it. > >Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today? > >Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for >the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones >that are still alive are dying to be >like the ones that are dead. Some would kill for it. > >Interviewer: What is syncopation? > >Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either before >or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they happen >because that would be some other type of music. Other types of music can be >jazz, but only if they're the same as something different from those other >kinds. > >Interviewer: Now I really don't understand. > >Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that well. > >======================================= > >Trombone content? uhh......... > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Faske Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now BT cup mutes To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20060118060600.58335.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Guys, you might want to check out a company based out of Dallas called TrumCor mutes. They make a great trombone cup mute, it's been all the rave down here for a couple of years. www.trumcor.com A bit pricy, but not too far off from the cost of the Wick, really.... just my $0.02..... -Bruce --- Raymond Horton wrote: > Actually I agree that the H& B is the classic cup > sound. I don't really > like the sound that my section mates get with the > Jo-Rals, but I would > like to match them better. Some times I just use a > metal straight mute > and take the edge off the sound, depending on the > particular passage > (and how motivated I am to bring in another mute). > It's about as close > to their sound. > > RBH > > Chris Tune wrote: > > > Seems like the H&B is really the only way to go. > I base this upon the > > typical usage of a cup mute: > > > > Big Band jazz and less often, jazz trombone in > combo or as soloist. > > > > The "woody" sound of the fibre H&B seems to be the > "de rigeur" sound > > expected in cup. > > > > I can sympathize in wanting to find a great cup > mute, one better than > > the Humes and Berg. I'd love to find such a mute. > The mute would > > have to be made of similar materials to the H&B, > but better made. The > > important thing is the sound. But construction is > a good second to > > that. It seems to me that the metallic mutes are > putting construction > > ahead of sound quality. That is just my opinion. > > > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond > Horton" > > > > To: "Marius Helg?" > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the > valve register? > > > > > > Is the Denis Wick cup mute any good? My section > mates use the Jo-Ral > > cups, but I don't like the bass Jo-Ral because it > is so metallic > > sounding. My H & B cup doesn't blend with the > JoRal very well, either. > > > > RBH. > > > > Marius Helg? wrote: > > > >>> Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for > bass trombone: > >>> > >>> 1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller > Tuxedo Plunger - > >>> Great > >>> sound. > >>> > >>> > >>> 2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> A third variety: > >> > >> Detach the cup section from a Denis Wick > adjustable Cup mute, and > >> attach a > >> bathroom plunger to it, and there you go: a > perfect-fit plunger with > >> a nice > >> (imho) sound for the Bass Trombone. (But not very > practical if you > >> need the > >> cup mute under ten bars later) > >> > >> Marius Helg? > >> Bass Trombone > >> Mo i Rana, norway > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:56:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Nicholas Yip" Subject: [Trombone-l] test To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1076.69.85.180.44.1137567397.squirrel@mail.srcs.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Nicholas Yip steel pans and music teacher ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:26:44 +0100 From: Marius Helg ? Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Raymond Horton Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" On 18-01-06 05:34, "Raymond Horton" wrote: > Is the Denis Wick cup mute any good? My section mates use the Jo-Ral > cups, but I don't like the bass Jo-Ral because it is so metallic > sounding. My H & B cup doesn't blend with the JoRal very well, either. > > RBH. > I really liked the sound of the DW Cup, but the body is made from real thin sheet metal, leaving it extremely exposed to denting. I recently bought a JoRal cup, and must say I like it good so far, and it feels like it will take more handling without denting than my DW did. My other mutes is a H&B Stone-Lined Symphonic Straight (Copper bottom) and a DW Harmon, I like these two very good and wouldn't trade them for anything. Talking 'bout mutes. Leonard Bernstein's "Divertimento" calls for a "jazz mute", anyone knows what is ment there? The bands 2nd trombonist ment it was a plunger. Marius Helg? Bass Trombone Mo i Rana, Norway ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:39:07 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Marius Helg? Cc: Bone List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Jan 18, 2006, at 1:26 AM, Marius Helg? wrote: > Talking 'bout mutes. Leonard Bernstein's "Divertimento" calls for a > "jazz > mute", anyone knows what is ment there? The bands 2nd trombonist ment > it was > a plunger. That's probably as good a guess as anyone's. You might also try a solo-tone mute (H&B), if one is available. I love the sound of that, and for older jazz sounds -- to me, that's the signature Tommy Dorsey sound right there. Plunger is sometimes difficult to get to the exact sound you want. I work with mine all bent out of shape. No, no. That's the player... not the mute. Ha! (Just kidding... I really do bend the plunger so the sound is right). --Wayne Dyess > > Dr. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Trombone and Director of Jazz Studies Lamar University Dept. of Music, Theatre & Dance P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 http://lamar.edu/ ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:25:35 -0500 From: Christopher Hayes Subject: [Trombone-l] Bass Trombone with Band To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <9E828B8F94947E6483B198D8@[132.235.156.49]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I am looking for a piece to do with bass trombone and band. It is a community band, so I need something that would be appropriate in that setting. Any suggestions are appreciated. Chris Hayes ------------------------------ Message: 35 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:30:50 -0600 From: "Phil Brink" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bass Trombone with Band To: "Christopher Hayes" , Message-ID: <000601c61c33$65f8ecc0$6501a8c0@bigbox> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have done Concertino Basso by Lieb and Beelzebub by Catozzi in that setting with success. Check out Hickey's Web site... Phil Brink ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hayes" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Bass Trombone with Band >I am looking for a piece to do with bass trombone and band. It is a > community band, so I need something that would be appropriate in that > setting. Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Chris Hayes > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 36 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:38:07 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: [Trombone-l] Once again... Sam Burtis in London and Holland, Fri. Jan. 20-Sat. Jan. 28 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Since I am headed out of NY to do these gigs tomorrow, I figured I'd post this again in case someone missed it who might be interested. Neil Martin is taking care of the London end. You can email him at for more info if you so desire. Regarding Holland...email me at . See ya somewhere... Sam > > >Hi all... > >Just a quick heads up... > >Through the good offices of London trombonist Neil Martin I will be >giving a masterclass in London on Friday, January 20th and a series >of private lessons on the following day. There is still plenty of >time to sign up. Get in touch with me if you are interested. Exactly >where it will be held depends on how many people are coming. Email >me at to get more info. > >Then I will be in Groningen, Holland for my bi-monthly stint at the >Prince Klaus Conservatory, and I am also giving a (rare) quartet >concert of my own material in Groningen on Thursday, Jan 26th with >Joris Teepe, Joost Lijbaart and Maarten van der Grinten. (Fine Dutch >bassist, drummer and guitarist.) A couple of people came out from >Amsterdam for lessons last time I was in Groningen, and if I can fit >you in, I will. > >Again...email me to hook up if you are interested. > >See ya in glorious Europe... > >Sam ------------------------------ Message: 37 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 9:39:30 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now BT cup mutes To: Bruce Faske Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <17699364.1137595170597.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'll echo the TrumCor endorsement. I love mine. Wouldn't trade it. J.c.S. ---- Bruce Faske wrote: > Guys, you might want to check out a company based out > of Dallas called TrumCor mutes. They make a great > trombone cup mute, it's been all the rave down here > for a couple of years. www.trumcor.com > > A bit pricy, but not too far off from the cost of the > Wick, really.... just my $0.02..... > > -Bruce > > --- Raymond Horton wrote: > > > Actually I agree that the H& B is the classic cup > > sound. I don't really > > like the sound that my section mates get with the > > Jo-Rals, but I would > > like to match them better. Some times I just use a > > metal straight mute > > and take the edge off the sound, depending on the > > particular passage > > (and how motivated I am to bring in another mute). > > It's about as close > > to their sound. > > > > RBH > > > > Chris Tune wrote: > > > > > Seems like the H&B is really the only way to go. > > I base this upon the > > > typical usage of a cup mute: > > > > > > Big Band jazz and less often, jazz trombone in > > combo or as soloist. > > > > > > The "woody" sound of the fibre H&B seems to be the > > "de rigeur" sound > > > expected in cup. > > > > > > I can sympathize in wanting to find a great cup > > mute, one better than > > > the Humes and Berg. I'd love to find such a mute. > > The mute would > > > have to be made of similar materials to the H&B, > > but better made. The > > > important thing is the sound. But construction is > > a good second to > > > that. It seems to me that the metallic mutes are > > putting construction > > > ahead of sound quality. That is just my opinion. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond > > Horton" > > > > > > To: "Marius Helg?" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the > > valve register? > > > > > > > > > Is the Denis Wick cup mute any good? My section > > mates use the Jo-Ral > > > cups, but I don't like the bass Jo-Ral because it > > is so metallic > > > sounding. My H & B cup doesn't blend with the > > JoRal very well, either. > > > > > > RBH. > > > > > > Marius Helg? wrote: > > > > > >>> Two improvements on the bathroom plunger for > > bass trombone: > > >>> > > >>> 1) The Humes and Berg Bass Trombone Glenn Miller > > Tuxedo Plunger - > > >>> Great > > >>> sound. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 2) The 10 inch Jolly Ball dog toy with handle. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> A third variety: > > >> > > >> Detach the cup section from a Denis Wick > > adjustable Cup mute, and > > >> attach a > > >> bathroom plunger to it, and there you go: a > > perfect-fit plunger with > > >> a nice > > >> (imho) sound for the Bass Trombone. (But not very > > practical if you > > >> need the > > >> cup mute under ten bars later) > > >> > > >> Marius Helg? > > >> Bass Trombone > > >> Mo i Rana, norway > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 38 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 9:42:49 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bass Trombone with Band To: Christopher Hayes Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <29760922.1137595369624.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 A fun one for all is Beelzebub by Catozzi (sp?), written originally for Eb Tuba. You'll enjoy the transition :-) J.c.S. ---- Christopher Hayes wrote: > I am looking for a piece to do with bass trombone and band. It is a > community band, so I need something that would be appropriate in that > setting. Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Chris Hayes > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 39 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:13:12 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: [Trombone-l] Math question To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <27528643.1137600792898.JavaMail.root@web25> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Okay physics/tech folks... How long would the tubing have to be for a BBb valve on an F contrabass trombone? I'm stumped. I usually eyeball these things, with very good success. Can't this time... J.c.S. ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:15:47 -0600 From: "Paul Johnston" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: , "'Trombone List'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will agree with Eric there is probably 1 in 10 of us using the Eb tuning. I am one of those. For us old guys, and you can correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Eb tuning the original standard for production inline horns? I am pretty sure the Olds (which I believe was the first production inline) was standard with the Eb. My first double trigger. It is what I started on many years ago in college and I have just stayed with it. Plus my college teacher at that time played a Minnick 62H conversion with the Eb. So it is what I was exposed to. Not better or worse then the D, just what I have been comfortable with for 30 years or so. And I can see both the advantages and disadvantages that Charles and Eric discuss. I can't remember, were the early Holton TR-181s in Eb or D? And on the early Yamaha 613R I think the D slide was optional. May be wrong, that was a bunch of years ago. And the early closed wrap Bachs? Any way, my little bit of Hillbilly insight!?! Paul Bass Trombone - Fort Smith Symphony -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:26 PM To: Trombone List Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone Charles De Paolo wrote: >On an independent horn, tuning the second valve so that both together give Eb is sometimes used as an alternative to the standard "D" tuning....Yes, the Eb system does make certain trigger register scale passages stack up* nicely, but the D system also allows for similar scale stacking that is just as nice. In the Eb system, low F and second space C can be played on the second valve alone, laying somewhere around 4th position. In the D system, the F and C are located just north of 3rd position. To me, having F and C closer is better than having them farther. Also, having F and C nearly equidistant between 1st and 4th positions is better than having them located closer to 4th, and thus asymmetrical. But the big flaw in the Eb system in my mind is the location of low B natural (two ledgers down). It is way out, somewhere south of 6th position. In the D system, it's around 5th position. Since we tend to play lots of B's, it's nice to have them lay closer than farther. Furthermore, if you're playing a low B, there's a good chance your are in a sharp key, and located in the same or nearly the same position as low B are C#, D and F#. Nice to have them right there rather than slush pumping back and forth from flat 6th to flat 4th. I've been able to handily navigate some pretty tough Toshiko and Mintzer passages using D tuning that would have been a certifiable nightmare if played on an Eb system. > > > Chuck, Good response. I play in Eb (in-line valves) and I still don't disagree with anything you say. There are some advantages to both. Having to play low B in 6th is the big disadvantage to the Eb tuning. I tried my first bass trombone both ways when I first got it, and it just felt like the response was better in Eb so I stuck with it. I liked the fact that I had whole steps up and down the slide between the F and Eb sides of the horn....E and D in 2nd, Eb and Db in flat 3rd, D and C in 5th, and Db and Cb in 6th. I play most of my low Fs in 6th anyway, so I didn't mind so much being out on that end of the slide about half the time. I also like that with the second valve alone (sometimes called the G valve) I have an F in 4th, an E in 5th, and an Eb in 6th, which really come in handy sometimes. One slight advantage to Eb is less weight. Each side of a D tuning slide is about 4" more of inner and outer tubing usually. Not an insignificant amount of extra weight, at least a few more ounces to hold all the time. But, basically it's up to the individual player to decide. Since most of the horns are only made in D these days, most people never really have a choice. I use the Eb tuning, but I don't try to talk anybody else into using it because I realize it does have disadvantages. I estimate that only about 1 in 10 use the Eb tuning. Does that sound about right to anyone? Discuss... Eric Swanson Dallas Opera Orchestra Dallas freelancer _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 41 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:31:22 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Math question To: "thetubameister@adelphia.net" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wouldn't it be 6' long, to go from 12' F to 18' BBb? If not, you might some help on this page, which collects variations on trombone design: http://trombone.bobbeecher.com/ George On 1/18/06, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > Okay physics/tech folks... > > How long would the tubing have to be for a BBb valve on an F contrabass trombone? I'm stumped. I usually eyeball these things, with very good success. Can't this time... > > J.c.S. ------------------------------ Message: 42 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:33:52 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: "'Trombone List'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- > For us old guys, and you can correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Eb tuning > the > original standard for production inline horns? Yes. Bb/F/G/Eb was the original standard. > I can't remember, were the early Holton TR-181s in Eb or D? And on the > early Yamaha 613R I think the D slide was optional. May be wrong, that > was > a bunch of years ago. And the early closed wrap Bachs? The original TR181 was Bb/F/G/Eb. I think even today (the one I used to have wasn't all that old) the second valve slide is in 2 pieces. You remove the middle piece and the 2nd valve is back into G from Gb. Keith in Bb/F/D (dependent system) ------------------------------ Message: 43 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:32:52 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Math question To: thetubameister@adelphia.net Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CE6DB4.8050407@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >Okay physics/tech folks... > >How long would the tubing have to be for a BBb valve on an F contrabass trombone? I'm stumped. I usually eyeball these things, with very good success. Can't this time... > > > J.c., I'll take a stab at it. The F horn is what, 12 feet long, right? The BBb horn is 18 feet, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. That would mean you would need somewhere around 6 feet to lower F to BBb. Of course I may be off, but it would be my guess. Plus, I need pictures of whatever it is you're building!!!!!! Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 44 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:45:09 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: "'Trombone List'" Message-ID: <43CE7095.4000508@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Paul Johnston wrote: >I will agree with Eric there is probably 1 in 10 of us using the Eb tuning. >I am one of those. > >For us old guys, and you can correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Eb tuning the >original standard for production inline horns? I am pretty sure the Olds >(which I believe was the first production inline) was standard with the Eb. >My first double trigger. It is what I started on many years ago in college >and I have just stayed with it. Plus my college teacher at that time played >a Minnick 62H conversion with the Eb. So it is what I was exposed to. > > >I can't remember, were the early Holton TR-181s in Eb or D? And on the >early Yamaha 613R I think the D slide was optional. May be wrong, that was >a bunch of years ago. And the early closed wrap Bachs? > > > Paul, You'd better agree with me! (Inside information: Paul and I go back 30 years and I taught him how to play trombone.) Yes, some of the first inline horns were in Bb-F-G-Eb. Your Olds was one. The TR-181 and most of the horns Yamaha made and still makes usually come with either both Eb and D slides or and extension for converting. Since we both studied with that same teacher (Bill Hartman) is it any wonder that we both ended up playing in Eb like he did back then? I even cut down the second valve on my Thayer valve setup so I could still play in Eb instead of D. Talk about a small club...the guys who have Thayer valves and play the Eb tuning! Eric ------------------------------ Message: 45 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:59:32 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: "'Trombone List'" Message-ID: <20060118170100.TJIB25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I bought my first Bach 50B2L in 73, I believe that all dbl trigger horns came stock with Eb for the 2nd valve. I immediately took mine to Larry and he extended it to a D. Both were closed wrap. It is my personal opinion that the intent for the making the 2nd valve an Eb tuning was that the only need was to get the low B which normally eludes the single valved horn. And actually that isn't exactly true. For the rare occasions when a low B natural makes sense musically, you could pull the F and if your arm was long enough and you had the courage to extend the outer slide to the end of the stocking you could get the low B with a single valve. I seem to recall a reh at local 7 years ago where Matt was playing a 3 valved horn. Maybe only 2 triggers though, I don't actually remember. Richard > > From: "Paul Johnston" > Date: 2006/01/18 Wed AM 11:15:47 EST > To: , > "'Trombone List'" > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone > > I will agree with Eric there is probably 1 in 10 of us using the Eb tuning. > I am one of those. > > For us old guys, and you can correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Eb tuning the > original standard for production inline horns? I am pretty sure the Olds > (which I believe was the first production inline) was standard with the Eb. > My first double trigger. It is what I started on many years ago in college > and I have just stayed with it. Plus my college teacher at that time played > a Minnick 62H conversion with the Eb. So it is what I was exposed to. > > Not better or worse then the D, just what I have been comfortable with for > 30 years or so. And I can see both the advantages and disadvantages that > Charles and Eric discuss. > > I can't remember, were the early Holton TR-181s in Eb or D? And on the > early Yamaha 613R I think the D slide was optional. May be wrong, that was > a bunch of years ago. And the early closed wrap Bachs? > > Any way, my little bit of Hillbilly insight!?! > > Paul > Bass Trombone - Fort Smith Symphony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:26 PM > To: Trombone List > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone > > Charles De Paolo wrote: > > >On an independent horn, tuning the second valve so that both together give > Eb is sometimes used as an alternative to the standard "D" tuning....Yes, > the Eb system does make certain trigger register scale passages stack up* > nicely, but the D system also allows for similar scale stacking that is just > as nice. In the Eb system, low F and second space C can be played on the > second valve alone, laying somewhere around 4th position. In the D system, > the F and C are located just north of 3rd position. To me, having F and C > closer is better than having them farther. Also, having F and C nearly > equidistant between 1st and 4th positions is better than having them located > closer to 4th, and thus asymmetrical. But the big flaw in the Eb system in > my mind is the location of low B natural (two ledgers down). It is way out, > somewhere south of 6th position. In the D system, it's around 5th position. > Since we tend to play lots of B's, it's nice to have them lay closer than > farther. Furthermore, if you're playing a low B, there's a good chance your > are in a sharp key, and located in the same or nearly the same position as > low B are C#, D and F#. Nice to have them right there rather than slush > pumping back and forth from flat 6th to flat 4th. I've been able to handily > navigate some pretty tough Toshiko and Mintzer passages using D tuning that > would have been a certifiable nightmare if played on an Eb system. > > > > > > > > Chuck, > > Good response. I play in Eb (in-line valves) and I still don't disagree > with anything you say. There are some advantages to both. Having to > play low B in 6th is the big disadvantage to the Eb tuning. I tried my > first bass trombone both ways when I first got it, and it just felt like > the response was better in Eb so I stuck with it. I liked the fact that > I had whole steps up and down the slide between the F and Eb sides of > the horn....E and D in 2nd, Eb and Db in flat 3rd, D and C in 5th, and > Db and Cb in 6th. I play most of my low Fs in 6th anyway, so I didn't > mind so much being out on that end of the slide about half the time. I > also like that with the second valve alone (sometimes called the G > valve) I have an F in 4th, an E in 5th, and an Eb in 6th, which really > come in handy sometimes. > > One slight advantage to Eb is less weight. Each side of a D tuning > slide is about 4" more of inner and outer tubing usually. Not an > insignificant amount of extra weight, at least a few more ounces to hold > all the time. But, basically it's up to the individual player to > decide. Since most of the horns are only made in D these days, most > people never really have a choice. > > I use the Eb tuning, but I don't try to talk anybody else into using it > because I realize it does have disadvantages. I estimate that only > about 1 in 10 use the Eb tuning. Does that sound about right to > anyone? Discuss... > > Eric Swanson > Dallas Opera Orchestra > Dallas freelancer > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 46 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:34:40 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Math question To: George Carr Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <28499697.1137605680418.JavaMail.root@web25> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Very cool website. Actually, I figureed ~6 feet, but I'm trying to get a little closer - within an inch or so. Hmmm.... J.c.S. ---- George Carr wrote: > Wouldn't it be 6' long, to go from 12' F to 18' BBb? If not, you > might some help on this page, which collects variations on trombone > design: > http://trombone.bobbeecher.com/ > > George > > On 1/18/06, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > > Okay physics/tech folks... > > > > How long would the tubing have to be for a BBb valve on an F contrabass trombone? I'm stumped. I usually eyeball these things, with very good success. Can't this time... > > > > J.c.S. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 ******************************************