Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 16 Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 16 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/16/06 (Chris Waage) 2. Mail problems (Emil Orth) 3. Re: Mail problems (Mark Mohwinkel) 4. Re: Mail problems (David A. Schwartz) 5. FW: Mail problems (Eric Edwards) 6. Re: FW: Mail problems (Matthew Stoecker) 7. Re: FW: Mail problems & comparisons (Mark Mohwinkel) 8. Re: FW: Mail problems (emrose79) 9. Re: FW: Mail problems (Tony Clements) 10. Re: Mail problems (Raymond Horton) 11. List health was Mail problems (Jeff Albert) 12. Choices? was re: Mail problems (Tom Izzo) 13. ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial (Matthew Stoecker) 14. Re: ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial (Pat McFarland) 15. Re: ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial (Matthew Stoecker) 16. Re: List health was Mail problems (Chris Tune) 17. Re: Mail problems (Mikel K. Smith) 18. Re: ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial (Chris Tune) 19. Re: Mail problems (Jeff Albert) 20. Re: Mail problems (Chris Tune) 21. Re: Mail problems (Daryl Burch) 22. Re: FW: Mail problems & comparisons (Eric Edwards) 23. Re: FW: Mail problems & comparisons (Emil Orth) 24. Re: Mail problems (Mikel K. Smith) 25. Re: List health was Mail problems (Phil Burton) 26. Re: ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial (Pat McFarland) 27. Re: ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial (Matthew Stoecker) 28. Re: FW: Mail problems & comparisons (Chris Tune) 29. Re: FW: Mail problems (Rodger Hinson) 30. Re: List health was Mail problems (Raymond Horton) 31. Re: FW: Mail problems (Earl Needham) 32. Re: Mail problems (Raymond Horton) 33. Re: Mail problems (Raymond Horton) 34. Re: Choices? was re: Mail problems (emrose79) 35. Re: FW: Mail problems (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 36. Re: FW: Mail problems (Mark Mohwinkel) 37. Re: FW: Mail problems (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 38. Re: FW: Mail problems (Bryce Ferguson) 39. Re: FW: Mail problems (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 40. Re: FW: Mail problems (Fred Hudson) 41. Re: FW: Mail problems & comparisons (Daniel Pliskin) 42. Re: FW: Mail problems (Mikel K. Smith) 43. Re: FW: Mail problems (Chris Tune) 44. Horn collection (was RE: FW: Mail problems) (Mikel K. Smith) 45. Re: FW: Mail problems (Earl Needham) 46. Re: FW: Mail problems (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 47. Re: FW: Mail problems (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 48. Eb crook for bass bone (Charles Levine) 49. bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Simon Bailey) 50. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Earl Needham) 51. Re: FW: Mail problems (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 52. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 53. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Eric & Candice Swanson) 54. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (George Carr) 55. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Bryce Ferguson) 56. Re: FW: Mail problems (George Carr) 57. Re: FW: Mail problems (Chris Tune) 58. Re: FW: Mail problems (Chris Tune) 59. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Steve Carr) 60. Re: FW: Mail problems (Chris Tune) 61. Politics again! (Earl Needham) 62. Re: FW: Mail problems & comparisons (Chris Tune) 63. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Chris Tune) 64. Re: Politics again! (Chris Tune) 65. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (Charles De Paolo) 66. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (mpurdy@jwpepper.com) 67. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 68. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Daryl Burch) 69. Re: Eb crook for bass bone (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 70. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Mike Caton) 71. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Mark Mohwinkel) 72. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Daryl Burch) 73. Re: FW: Mail problems (Adrian Drover) 74. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Jeff Albert) 75. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Walter Barrett) 76. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Adrian Drover) 77. Re: bass trbn plunger in the valve register? (Eric Edwards) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:09:52 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/16/06 To: Trombone-L , brass_list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 7:09 AM CST on January 16, 2006. Scam/Fraud Alert: Please be cautious of offers by distant strangers to send you a high value (but counterfeit) cashier's check, and then have you wire the balance to them. The primary warning signs are e-mails sent with very poor grammar asking if you will consider shipping the item overseas. Banks will cash these counterfeit checks, but then hold you responsible for the funds when the check fails to clear. If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:49:05 -0600 From: "Emil Orth" Subject: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: Message-ID: <002e01c61ad5$e993eda0$0a00a8c0@Emil> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the list. Is traffic down ? May be a problem on this end. Thanks for any replies, Emil Orth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: Emil Orth , trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20060116210436.51149.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Same here. Mark Mohwinkel --- Emil Orth wrote: > I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the > list. Is traffic down ? > May be a problem on this end. > Thanks for any replies, > Emil Orth > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:09:20 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <43CC0B80.7080809@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Guys, The silence is part of the music. David Mark Mohwinkel wrote: >Same here. > >Mark Mohwinkel > >--- Emil Orth wrote: > > > >>I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the >>list. Is traffic down ? >>May be a problem on this end. >>Thanks for any replies, >>Emil Orth >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> >> >> >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:18:44 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060116211422.BC7A2E38ED@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays. It has been rather light lately. So. Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? All Cass or Binak? Edwards or Bach or Getzen? Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Mohwinkel Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:05 PM To: Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems Same here. Mark Mohwinkel --- Emil Orth wrote: > I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the list. Is traffic > down ? > May be a problem on this end. > Thanks for any replies, > Emil Orth > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:18:51 -0800 From: "Matthew Stoecker" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" , "Eric Edwards" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pledge 3-in-1 Conn Matt Stoecker ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Edwards To: 'Trombone-L' Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays. It has been rather light lately. So. Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? All Cass or Binak? Edwards or Bach or Getzen? Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Mohwinkel Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:05 PM To: Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems Same here. Mark Mohwinkel --- Emil Orth > wrote: > I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the list. Is traffic > down ? > May be a problem on this end. > Thanks for any replies, > Emil Orth > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060116212656.68327.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 RE: Silence Yes, the rests are important too! and Re: Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine What about Trombotine w/Lemon Pledge... Mark Mohwinkel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:10:13 -0800 From: emrose79 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <43CC19C5.5000403@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Trombotine Binak (and just to throw a spin in it) Besson why??.... because I can! Ed Eric Edwards wrote: > >So. > >Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? >All Cass or Binak? >Edwards or Bach or Getzen? > > >Eric > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:13:37 -0800 From: Tony Clements Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Trombotine All Cass Shires ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:16:57 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: Emil Orth , trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <43CC1B59.7060100@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the >>list. Is traffic down ? >>May be a problem on this end. >>Thanks for any replies, >>Emil Orth >> >> This list is about gone, friends. I posted about an intreguing, serious, recent work for 3 trombones and orchestra, also avialable for trombones and band (Michael Daugthery's "Rosa Parks Boulevard"), gave info and a link to a recording of the work and offered to share copies of the solo parts, and got not one word in thread continuation. Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old t-shirt for cleaning slides. Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. RBH ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:34:20 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: [Trombone-l] List health was Mail problems To: Raymond Horton Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <90376748-6541-4A51-B882-4100EBBFFF71@jeffalbert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > I posted about an intreguing, serious, recent work for 3 trombones > and > orchestra, also avialable for trombones and band (Michael Daugthery's > "Rosa Parks Boulevard"), gave info and a link to a recording of the > work > and offered to share copies of the solo parts, and got not one word in > thread continuation. > > > Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an > argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old > t-shirt for cleaning slides. > I think part of that is the nature of this medium. It is good for arguing about muslin vs cotton t-shirt. That conversation can live forever. Mention a great piece of music, and often the only reply can be," yeah I dig that too." That is still a valid public service, it is just not validated by lots of responses. I think a lack of "me too" responses can be a sign of a mature list. Granted the conversation on the list is not what it once was, but I think that is cyclical to some extent. I'm not TOO worried about the list's health. Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:42:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Izzo Subject: [Trombone-l] Choices? was re: Mail problems To: emrose79 , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060116224248.2926.qmail@web52709.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- emrose79 wrote: > Trombotine > Binak (and just to throw a spin in it) > Besson Ponds Vaseline Bach (or Mirafone on the lowwwwwwwwwwww end) :-) Tom Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:54:26 -0800 From: "Matthew Stoecker" Subject: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone- Many years ago, like 15 to 20, I remember seeing an issue of the ITA journal that had a pictorial of an incredible trombone that I _think+ was presented to Arthur Pryor, but I can't recall for sure. It was a Conn 2H modified with a trill valve (or it might have been a 10H, but I doubt Conn would have made an Innes model as a presentation for Pryor) and it had engraving everywhere-bathing beauties, the 'whistler and his dog' and even engraving on the valve button. Does anyone remember what issue this is? Matt Stoecker ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:10:16 -0600 From: "Pat McFarland" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial To: "'Matthew Stoecker'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060116225709.D184A190175@nothing.midiowa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Also check out Dillon Music... http://www.dillonmusic.com/Arthur_pryor_tbone/APryor_Trombone.htm -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Stoecker Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial Hi everyone- Many years ago, like 15 to 20, I remember seeing an issue of the ITA journal that had a pictorial of an incredible trombone that I _think+ was presented to Arthur Pryor, but I can't recall for sure. It was a Conn 2H modified with a trill valve (or it might have been a 10H, but I doubt Conn would have made an Innes model as a presentation for Pryor) and it had engraving everywhere-bathing beauties, the 'whistler and his dog' and even engraving on the valve button. Does anyone remember what issue this is? Matt Stoecker _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:12:25 -0800 From: "Matthew Stoecker" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial To: "'Trombone-L'" , "Pat McFarland" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, that's a nice trombone, but the one in the ITA journal was MUCH nicer. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat McFarland To: 'Matthew Stoecker' ; 'Trombone-L' Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial Also check out Dillon Music... http://www.dillonmusic.com/Arthur_pryor_tbone/APryor_Trombone.htm -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Stoecker Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial Hi everyone- Many years ago, like 15 to 20, I remember seeing an issue of the ITA journal that had a pictorial of an incredible trombone that I _think+ was presented to Arthur Pryor, but I can't recall for sure. It was a Conn 2H modified with a trill valve (or it might have been a 10H, but I doubt Conn would have made an Innes model as a presentation for Pryor) and it had engraving everywhere-bathing beauties, the 'whistler and his dog' and even engraving on the valve button. Does anyone remember what issue this is? Matt Stoecker _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:26:59 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] List health was Mail problems To: "Jeff Albert" , "Raymond Horton" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <02d701c61af4$59972d60$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Don't worry about the list. . . . as soon as anything controversial is posted. . . we'll be busy, busy, busy. Here's one: "Kid Ory was the greatest trombone player to ever walk the face of the earth. . ." Controversial? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Raymond Horton" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] List health was Mail problems > > On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: >> >> I posted about an intreguing, serious, recent work for 3 trombones >> and >> orchestra, also avialable for trombones and band (Michael Daugthery's >> "Rosa Parks Boulevard"), gave info and a link to a recording of the >> work >> and offered to share copies of the solo parts, and got not one word in >> thread continuation. >> >> >> Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an >> argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old >> t-shirt for cleaning slides. >> > > I think part of that is the nature of this medium. It is good for > arguing about muslin vs cotton t-shirt. That conversation can live > forever. > > Mention a great piece of music, and often the only reply can be," > yeah I dig that too." That is still a valid public service, it is > just not validated by lots of responses. I think a lack of "me too" > responses can be a sign of a mature list. > > Granted the conversation on the list is not what it once was, but I > think that is cyclical to some extent. I'm not TOO worried about the > list's health. > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:37:25 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: "Raymond Horton" , "Emil Orth" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't happen again. Mikel -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] ... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old t-shirt for cleaning slides. Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. RBH _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:34:49 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial To: "Matthew Stoecker" , "'Trombone-L'" , "Pat McFarland" Message-ID: <02e201c61af5$71b1df70$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Does anybody else think that Jake Burkle looks a lot like the next-door neighbor in the old "Dennis the Menace" TV show? What was his name, "Mr. Wilson"? Maybe it's the pipe and glasses. . .and the serious look. I'm willing to bet this guy was serious. Horn looks like it was mabe .450 bore maybe a little wider . . .Conn used those handgrip and strut parts right up into the 1950's. Incredible just for the level of engraving. It would be neat to copy that engraving and offer it as an option on modern 2b like horns. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Stoecker" To: "'Trombone-L'" ; "Pat McFarland" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial > Yes, that's a nice trombone, but the one in the ITA journal was MUCH > nicer. > > Matt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pat McFarland > To: 'Matthew Stoecker' ; > 'Trombone-L' > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:10 PM > Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial > > > Also check out Dillon Music... > > > http://www.dillonmusic.com/Arthur_pryor_tbone/APryor_Trombone.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: > trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Matthew Stoecker > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:54 PM > To: 'Trombone-L' > Subject: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial > > Hi everyone- > > Many years ago, like 15 to 20, I remember seeing an issue of the ITA > journal > that had a pictorial of an incredible trombone that I _think+ was > presented > to Arthur Pryor, but I can't recall for sure. It was a Conn 2H modified > with > a trill valve (or it might have been a 10H, but I doubt Conn would have > made > an Innes model as a presentation for Pryor) and it had engraving > everywhere-bathing beauties, the 'whistler and his dog' and even > engraving > on the valve button. Does anyone remember what issue this is? > > Matt Stoecker > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:29:10 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: "Mikel K. Smith" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I don't think his point was that differing opinions aren't allowed, as much as that we often get more fired up about what we use to clean and lube our slides than we do about music. I think it is harder to have passionate musical discussion on an email list than it is to have passionate slide cleaning discussion, although both are possible. Jeff On Jan 16, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Mikel K. Smith wrote: > Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't > happen again. > > Mikel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] > ... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an > argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old > t-shirt for cleaning slides. > > > Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. > > > RBH > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:37:42 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: "Mikel K. Smith" , "Raymond Horton" , "Emil Orth" , Message-ID: <02f101c61af5$d8e788c0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Differences are helpful. . .people don't always write like Shakespeare, 'tho. Shows the list is working. The messages I'm sending are coming right through in a minute or two. . . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikel K. Smith" To: "Raymond Horton" ; "Emil Orth" ; Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems > Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't > happen again. > > Mikel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] > ... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an > argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old > t-shirt for cleaning slides. > > > Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. > > > RBH > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:56 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I could start one of my caffeine-induced prattling rants. That does a good job of quieting down the list.... #;-) -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 16, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Chris Tune wrote: > Differences are helpful. . .people don't always write like Shakespeare, > 'tho. > > Shows the list is working. The messages I'm sending are coming right > through in a minute or two. . . > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mikel K. Smith" > To: "Raymond Horton" ; "Emil Orth" > ; > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems > > >> Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't >> happen again. >> >> Mikel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] >> ... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an >> argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old >> t-shirt for cleaning slides. >> >> >> Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. >> >> >> RBH >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:33:38 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons To: "'Mark Mohwinkel'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060116212917.B13A37391C@mailhost.unt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Mohwinkel Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:27 PM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons RE: Silence Yes, the rests are important too! and Re: Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine What about Trombotine w/Lemon Pledge... Mark Mohwinkel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:43:49 -0600 From: "Emil Orth" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons To: "Eric Edwards" , "'Mark Mohwinkel'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <003c01c61af6$d845d510$0a00a8c0@Emil> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hey listers, thanks ever so much for all your posts. I was almost convinced that my computer had a big problem from a recent crash and did'nt get fixed! Now I know. The list has always been a gem to me and full of invaluable info. Thanks, Emil ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:03:26 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: "Jeff Albert" , "Mikel K. Smith" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I think what he said was that I was trying to start an argument, while in reality all I tried to do was challenge the conventional wisdom that says if someone's well known, whatever they say is gospel - and for the record, I never said cotton was better; what I said was that it was probably just as good, and it was readily available and usually free in the form of old tee shirts. Too often, in a forum like this, anyone who dares disagree is 'starting an argument'. It's unfortunate that there can't be differing opinions without someone like Raymond crying foul whenever someone dares offer a differing viewpoint. Mikel -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeff@jeffalbert.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:29 PM To: Mikel K. Smith Cc: Raymond Horton; Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems I don't think his point was that differing opinions aren't allowed, as much as that we often get more fired up about what we use to clean and lube our slides than we do about music. I think it is harder to have passionate musical discussion on an email list than it is to have passionate slide cleaning discussion, although both are possible. Jeff On Jan 16, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Mikel K. Smith wrote: > Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't > happen again. > > Mikel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] > ... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an > argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old > t-shirt for cleaning slides. > > > Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. > > > RBH > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:50:33 -0700 From: Phil Burton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] List health was Mail problems To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <43CC3149.8030902@bigsky.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed As one of the MAJOR lurkers on the list, I have always noticed, that the list activity dies down on the weekends, obviously some of you guys actually have a life!!! As for the banter back and forth, it seems to run in cycles, again, probably coincidental to "those" with a life. Phil > > ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:56:55 -0600 From: "Pat McFarland" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial To: "'Matthew Stoecker'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060116234307.0FF5619014A@nothing.midiowa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Try this... https://www.ita-web.org/journal/1988/summer/ -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Stoecker Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial Hi everyone- Many years ago, like 15 to 20, I remember seeing an issue of the ITA journal that had a pictorial of an incredible trombone that I _think+ was presented to Arthur Pryor, but I can't recall for sure. It was a Conn 2H modified with a trill valve (or it might have been a 10H, but I doubt Conn would have made an Innes model as a presentation for Pryor) and it had engraving everywhere-bathing beauties, the 'whistler and his dog' and even engraving on the valve button. Does anyone remember what issue this is? Matt Stoecker _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:58:20 -0800 From: "Matthew Stoecker" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial To: "'Trombone-L'" , "Pat McFarland" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's the one! Thanks! Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat McFarland To: 'Matthew Stoecker' ; 'Trombone-L' Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial Try this... https://www.ita-web.org/journal/1988/summer/ -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Stoecker Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [Trombone-l] ITA Journal/Arthur Pryor trombone pictorial Hi everyone- Many years ago, like 15 to 20, I remember seeing an issue of the ITA journal that had a pictorial of an incredible trombone that I _think+ was presented to Arthur Pryor, but I can't recall for sure. It was a Conn 2H modified with a trill valve (or it might have been a 10H, but I doubt Conn would have made an Innes model as a presentation for Pryor) and it had engraving everywhere-bathing beauties, the 'whistler and his dog' and even engraving on the valve button. Does anyone remember what issue this is? Matt Stoecker _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:04:40 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons To: "Emil Orth" , "Eric Edwards" , "'Mark Mohwinkel'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <032401c61b01$ff1c9ba0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I was worried that I'd gotten a virus. . .for about ONE MINUTE. . .until I noticed that my email retrievals had increased incidents of "spoofed email and attachment" spam patterned like emailing trojans and virii. At first I didn't realize it was all from one of my two email sources. These were all to my web server and it's related email facility. They look like numerous message bounces some with "log" attachments. . .YEAH. . .RIGHT! I'm going to open an unsolicited attachement from the internet. . .[NOPE!] I had to change the email interface to show an additional field and it became obvious the pattern was just with the http://www.christune.com included email. I have accounting@christune.com and several others that get these email virus blasts. . .often late at night. I've run Norton and MSFT and ZoneLabs tools to keep this stuff at bay. So. . .what's up? I then ran a day and a half of internet packet-sniffer logs (Ethereal). These show relatively normal activity except that there is this continuous call and respone (destination IP shows as part of Google's site for Picasa) from PICASA. That is the Google image management software. Google has several of these things. I'm going to have to watch these babies. Incidentally, somebody finally emailed me that they had noticed a version of Quadrabones is on that site (see above). I've actually got I think THREE tunes on there. The Quadrabones quartet, a version of Ave Maria which is similar to, but not the same as Urbie Green's version. . .and I think one other standard or similar. The mp3 are pretty decent quality. . . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emil Orth" To: "Eric Edwards" ; "'Mark Mohwinkel'" ; "'Trombone-L'" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons > Hey listers, thanks ever so much for all your posts. I was almost > convinced > that my computer had a big problem from a recent crash and did'nt get > fixed! > Now I know. The list has always been a gem to me and full of invaluable > info. Thanks, Emil > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:04:20 -0700 From: Rodger Hinson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: Eric Edwards Cc: 'Trombone-L' Message-ID: <43CC4294.1080300@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Slide-O-Mix Neither. I use a generic tuning slide grease called "Grease" made by MusiChem and Holton rotary valve oil. My axe is a Yamaha. Rodger Hinson Fort Collins, Colorado Eric Edwards wrote: > Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays. >It has been rather light lately. > >So. > >Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? >All Cass or Binak? >Edwards or Bach or Getzen? > > >Eric > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] >On Behalf Of Mark Mohwinkel >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:05 PM >To: Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems > >Same here. > >Mark Mohwinkel > >--- Emil Orth wrote: > > > >>I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the list. Is traffic >>down ? >>May be a problem on this end. >>Thanks for any replies, >>Emil Orth >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> >> >> >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:59:02 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] List health was Mail problems To: Tom Izzo , Trombone-L Message-ID: <43CC4F66.7070305@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Tom Izzo wrote: >--- Jeff Albert wrote: > >Ray, > >I personally did not get this earlier missive from >you. >Care to resend? > >Thanks, > >Tom > > > I'll post again, and take the liberty of correcting my mistake in the title (I had typed "Rosa Park" instead of to "Rosa Parks.") We did get another good run-through of it before we performed it. Friday (Ed concert) and Sunday (MLK concert). That (and the recording of the U of Michigan band I found at the site below, which helped us in the section a great deal to formulate a concept of the piece in a short time) resulted in enough to make the performances go well. --------------------------------- Have any of you heard of Michael Daughtery's "Rosa Parks Boulevard"? This is a twelve-minute work for orchestra (also available for band) that features the three trombones standing across the back of the orchestra in a very unusual and versatile solo capacity all the way through. The Louisville Orchestra is playing it twice this week, though with not enough rehearsal time, so I was trying to find what I could about it. I found the info below. The second site also has a link to a full recording of the work by the U. of Michigan Band. I hope to get copies of all three trombone parts. Right now I have a scanned copy of the solo Bass Trombone part. If anyone is interested email me privately. If any of you are in Louisville Sunday at 3:00 PM (and don't mind missing football) - come hear us at the MLK concert at the Ky Center - it's free. RBH, BTB, LO -------------- http://www.cabrillomusic.org/2003/program_notes/daugherty_rosa_parks_done.html Michael Daugherty: /Rosa Parks Boulevard/ (2000) / Rosa Parks Boulevard /for Three Trombones and Orchestra (2000) is the third and final movement of/ MotorCity Triptych/ which was commissioned by the Detroit Symphony Orchestra, Neeme Jarvi, music director. [It was premiered separately, before the other movements] ---------------- http://www.michaeldaugherty.net/description.cfm?trackid=57 Rosa Parks Boulevard for Symphony Band was commissioned by the University of Michigan Symphony Band. It's first performance was given by the University of Michigan Symphony Band, conducted by H. Robert Reynolds in Detroit, Michigan on April 6, 2001. Of the work, the composer writes: >Rosa Parks Boulevard pays tribute to the woman who helped set in motion the modern civil rights movement by her refusal to move to the back of the bus in 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama. In 1957, she came to Detroit, Michigan, where she has lived ever since. Once of the many honors bestowed upon Rosa Parks, is a boulevard named after her, located in downtown Detroit. For me, Rosa Parks stands for the willingness to challenge boundaries and cross over them. In the fall of 1999, I had the pleasure of attending a Sunday church service with Rosa Parks, at the St. Matthew African Methodist Episcopal Church in Detroit. For more than four decades she has attended this modest church with the motto: "the Church Where Everybody is Somebody," hand-painted over its entrance. During the four hour service, I joined in with Rosa Parks and the congregation to sing various gospel hymns and hear the inspired oratory from the preacher, Reverend Robinson. From her association with the Reverend Martin Luther King in the fifties to the present day, the spirit of the African American preacher has been a source of strength to Rosa Parks. The African American poet James Weldon Johnson was also inspired by the voice of the preacher in his 1927 volume of poetry, entitled "God's Trombones." In his preface he describes how the preacher "strode the pulpit up and down in what was actually a very rhythmic dance, and he brought into play the full gamut of his wonderful voice, a voice -- what shall I say? - not of an organ or a trumpet, but rather of a trombone, the instrument possessing above all others, the power to express the wide and varied range of emotions encompassed by the human voice - and with greater amplitude. He intoned, he moaned, he pleased - he blared, he crashed, he thundered. I sat fascinated; and more, I was, perhaps against my will, deeply moved; the emotional effect upon me was irresistible." After the Church service, Rosa Parks told me her favorite piece of music was the traditional African American spiritual, "Oh Freedom." Fragments of this melody are played in musical canons by the trombone section, echoing the voices of many generations of African American preachers in Detroit and throughout America. In addition to the soulful trombones, I composed a musical motive which I associate with Rosa Parks. It is first heard in the woodwinds and vibraphone. These lyrical sections alternate with a turbulent bus ride, evoked by atonal polyrhythms in the trumpets, horns and percussion instruments. The recurrence of ominous beating in the bass drum reminds us that while progress was made in civil rights in the twentieth century, there is still much to be done in the twenty-first century. Michael Daugherty ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:00:05 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060116185925.02791008@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:18 PM 1/16/2006, Eric Edwards wrote: > Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays. >It has been rather light lately. > >So. > >Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? >All Cass or Binak? >Edwards or Bach or Getzen? Slide-O-Mix! Al Cass King Duo Gravis! And you left out GUINNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:47:16 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: "Mikel K. Smith" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <43CC5AB4.2000106@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm not saying that you can't post different opinions - just that when that is the ONLY matter worth discussing, the list is in trouble. It's also become pretty much a jazz/pop only list. "Not that there's anything WRONG with that." RBH Mikel K. Smith wrote: >Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't >happen again. > >Mikel > >-----Original Message----- >From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] >... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an >argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old >t-shirt for cleaning slides. > > >Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. > > >RBH > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:01:12 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems To: "Mikel K. Smith" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <43CC5DF8.9090203@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Actually, Mikel, I let you have the last word on the subject the first go around. I really don't care that much about the subject of which cloth to use - I just passed along what I knew and why - posted it once, and left it at that. I just chose to return to it as an example of the heights of the intellectual discussion lately for an explanation of why the list has dwindled. I didn't use your name. I'm sorry you took it personally. My point wasn't that someone disagreed with me, just that someone was so ready to argue about it while interesting trombone music didn't interest anyone. I'm sorry I brought it up. I'd leave and go to another one of the forums but I dislike those formats. I guess I could learn to like them. That seems to be where others have gone, but then every once and a while somebody like Howard Weiner or Tom Izzo pops up here. RBH Mikel K. Smith wrote: > I think what he said was that I was trying to start an argument, while in >reality all I tried to do was challenge the conventional wisdom that says if >someone's well known, whatever they say is gospel - and for the record, I >never said cotton was better; what I said was that it was probably just as >good, and it was readily available and usually free in the form of old tee >shirts. Too often, in a forum like this, anyone who dares disagree is >'starting an argument'. It's unfortunate that there can't be differing >opinions without someone like Raymond crying foul whenever someone dares >offer a differing viewpoint. > >Mikel > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeff@jeffalbert.com] >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:29 PM >To: Mikel K. Smith >Cc: Raymond Horton; Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems > >I don't think his point was that differing opinions aren't allowed, >as much as that we often get more fired up about what we use to clean >and lube our slides than we do about music. > >I think it is harder to have passionate musical discussion on an >email list than it is to have passionate slide cleaning discussion, >although both are possible. > >Jeff >On Jan 16, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Mikel K. Smith wrote: > > > >>Sorry - didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed. Won't >>happen again. >> >>Mikel >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] >>... Around the same time, I had a guy who seemed to want to start an >>argument with me over my assertion that muslin was better than an old >>t-shirt for cleaning slides. >> >> >>Either make this list better, or it's gone, friends. >> >> >>RBH >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:43:57 -0800 From: emrose79 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Choices? was re: Mail problems To: Tom Izzo Cc: 'Trombone-L' Message-ID: <43CC67FD.9070501@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed You use vaseline on your valves?... ok..since you brought it up (or is that down?)... Trombotine Binak Besson Haag (on the lowwwwwwwwww end--not as many w's as yours) Ed Tom Izzo wrote: >--- emrose79 wrote: > > > >>Trombotine >>Binak (and just to throw a spin in it) >>Besson >> >> > > >Ponds >Vaseline >Bach (or Mirafone on the lowwwwwwwwwwww end) > >:-) > >Tom > > >Tom Izzo >Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; >Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; >Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; >Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. >http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ >(630) 858-7832 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 35 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:51:59 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: Tony Clements Cc: 'Trombone-L' Message-ID: <13264767.1137469919226.JavaMail.root@web13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 SOM/Rapid Comfort Yamaha Rotory Spindle Oil/Blue Juice Getzen & Bach J.c.S. ---- Tony Clements wrote: > Trombotine > All Cass > Shires > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 36 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <20060117035831.6499.qmail@web50402.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Trombotine w/Pledge Selmer tuning slide grease/no rotor oil (48H) Conn Mark Mohwinkel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 37 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:20:06 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <23696802.1137471606892.JavaMail.root@web13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I almost forgot too! Skull Splitter (or Rogue Mocha Porter in a crunch :-) J.c.S. ---- Earl Needham wrote: > At 02:18 PM 1/16/2006, Eric Edwards wrote: > > Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays. > >It has been rather light lately. > > > >So. > > > >Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? > >All Cass or Binak? > >Edwards or Bach or Getzen? > > Slide-O-Mix! > Al Cass > King Duo Gravis! > > And you left out GUINNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 38 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:20:12 -0800 From: "Bryce Ferguson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Slide-O-Mix Selmer slide grease and Bach rotor oil 1?Bach bass, 2 1/2 Bach tenors?and a ?silver King pea shooter (sucker for shiny silver horns!) > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:04:20 -0700> From: rodger.hinson@comcast.net> To: eric@elsjledwards.net> CC: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems> > Slide-O-Mix> Neither. I use a generic tuning slide grease called "Grease" made by > MusiChem and Holton rotary valve oil.> My axe is a Yamaha.> > Rodger Hinson> Fort Collins, Colorado> > Eric Edwards wrote:> >> Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays.>>It has been rather light lately.>>>>So.>>>>Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine?>>All Cass or Binak?>>Edwards or Bach or Getzen?>>>>>>Eric>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----->>From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]>>On Behalf Of Mark Mohwinkel>>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:05 PM>>To: Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu>>Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems>>>>Same here.>>>>Mark Mohwinkel>>>>--- Emil Orth wrote:>>>> >>>>>I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the list. Is traffic >>>down ?>>>May be a problem on this end.>>>Thanks for any replies,>>>Emil Orth>>>>>>_______________________________________________>>>Trombone-l mailing list>>>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu>>>>>> >>>>>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l>> >>>>>>>>__________________________________________________>>Do You Yahoo!?>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>>http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________>>Trombone-l mailing list>>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu>>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l>>>>_______________________________________________>>Trombone-l mailing list>>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu>>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________> Trombone-l mailing list> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 39 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:28:21 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: thetubameister@adelphia.net Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1435384.1137472101101.JavaMail.root@web13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 People keep adding stuff... Lanolin for slide grease~ J.c. ---- thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > I almost forgot too! > > Skull Splitter (or Rogue Mocha Porter in a crunch :-) > > J.c.S. > > > ---- Earl Needham wrote: > > At 02:18 PM 1/16/2006, Eric Edwards wrote: > > > Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the holidays. > > >It has been rather light lately. > > > > > >So. > > > > > >Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? > > >All Cass or Binak? > > >Edwards or Bach or Getzen? > > > > Slide-O-Mix! > > Al Cass > > King Duo Gravis! > > > > And you left out GUINNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Earl > > > > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > > on it) > > > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:37:00 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "Mark Mohwinkel" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <001401c61b1f$aaee06e0$e3e6eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" SuperSlick/Hetman's (40/1) Hetman's slide gel /light rotor oil Shires, King 2B Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Mohwinkel" To: "'Trombone-L'" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems > Trombotine w/Pledge > Selmer tuning slide grease/no rotor oil (48H) > Conn > > Mark Mohwinkel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 41 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:42:57 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hey listers, thanks ever so much for all your posts. I was almost >convinced >that my computer had a big problem from a recent crash and did'nt get >fixed! >Now I know. The list has always been a gem to me and full of invaluable >info. Thanks, Emil > Oh right·you think that just because you thank us all, youâre going to stop a thread that talks about slide lube, valve lube and trombone manufacturers·. Think again. And, oh, Trombotine and Formula 3, Formula 3 and a Buescher/King/Buescher Frankenbone And oh, Iâve been using a Kelley 5G, shaved down to fit a small-shank trombone. Very sweet· DanP ------------------------------ Message: 42 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:16:54 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Superslick Al Cass Selmer tuning slide grease Silversonic 2B, Silversonic 3B, Silversonic 4B, Shires Bass (will trade for Silversonic Duo Gravis) Mikel ------------------------------ Message: 43 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:44:01 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "Rodger Hinson" , "Eric Edwards" Cc: 'Trombone-L' Message-ID: <002701c61b42$2ab38f40$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Oh! I fogot: Everything gets REKA Conn 6H Bach 16M King 2B (all either late sixties or seventies vintage) with Giddings and Webster "Chocolatero" mpce Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodger Hinson" To: "Eric Edwards" Cc: "'Trombone-L'" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems > Slide-O-Mix > Neither. I use a generic tuning slide grease called "Grease" made by > MusiChem and Holton rotary valve oil. > My axe is a Yamaha. > > Rodger Hinson > Fort Collins, Colorado > > Eric Edwards wrote: > >> Probably everyone is busy getting back to school & work after the >> holidays. >>It has been rather light lately. >> >>So. >> >>Slide-O-Mix or Trombotine? >>All Cass or Binak? >>Edwards or Bach or Getzen? >> >> >>Eric >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu >>[mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] >>On Behalf Of Mark Mohwinkel >>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:05 PM >>To: Emil Orth; trombone-l@samford.edu >>Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Mail problems >> >>Same here. >> >>Mark Mohwinkel >> >>--- Emil Orth wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am receiving very little, if any, mail from the list. Is traffic >>>down ? >>>May be a problem on this end. >>>Thanks for any replies, >>>Emil Orth >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Trombone-l mailing list >>>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>> >>> >>> >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 44 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:48 -0500 From: "Mikel K. Smith" Subject: [Trombone-l] Horn collection (was RE: FW: Mail problems) To: "Daryl Burch" Cc: TROMBONE-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thanks - I've had the 3B since Jr. High; the others are more recent buys. All are 'vintage'; the 2b's mid'40's; 3b's a '55, and the 4B's late '60's. 2 and 3 are nicely restored, but the 4's still needing some cosmetic work and a Slide Dr. tuneup. If you're ever in northwest Jersey, give me a shout and bring your mouthpiece. I also just started collecting Mt. Vernon mouthpieces - so far I have a 5G, 9, 15C and 18. I'm thinking about getting them plated and displaying them in a wall rack, kind of like what golfers use to display their golf ball collections. Mikel -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Burch [mailto:darylburch@speakeasy.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:43 AM To: Mikel K. Smith Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems Man! Would I love to try THOSE out! That'd be like sipping a vertical of Lefite Rothchild '68-'71.... Only cool!! Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Mikel K. Smith wrote: > Silversonic 2B, Silversonic 3B, Silversonic 4B, ------------------------------ Message: 45 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:34 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060117072944.02750e18@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:20 PM 1/16/2006, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >I almost forgot too! > >Skull Splitter (or Rogue Mocha Porter in a crunch :-) Skull Splitter?????????????? Whoa! Hey, for something different, try a beer called "La Fin du Monde" -- 9+%... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 46 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:01:57 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: needhame1@plateautel.net, trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <53.35ef9b69.30fe60e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Left out Guinness \where is Adrian?? beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 47 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:05:47 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: tbone@brassquintet.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <204.10a03733.30fe61cb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ponds Ponds Ponds Pan American, Conn 18H, Bach Bundy.. slikern' s--- beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 48 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:12:51 -0500 From: "Charles Levine" Subject: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: Message-ID: <001901c61b78$7c9605f0$50ae1ad1@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone use the Eb crook? What are its advantages? ------------------------------ Message: 49 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:22:51 +0100 From: Simon Bailey Subject: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060117152251.GG29337@pc6139-c703.uibk.ac.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. hi, we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] sammy nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and stays in the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? thanks for any pointers, regards, sb -- Simon Bailey Systems Administrator Institut fuer Informatik Universitaet Innsbruck Technikerstrasse 21a/2 A-6020 Innsbruck Tel: +43 (0) 512 507 - 6433 http://informatik.uibk.ac.at/ ------------------------------ Message: 50 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:27:54 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060117082647.0265d9c8@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote: >[this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please >excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. > >hi, > >we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] >sammy >nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". > >the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half >plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and >stays in >the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that >as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the >valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? > >thanks for any pointers, regards, >sb I don't know how they did it in Basie's band, but if I ran across that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one of those Stonelined hats on it's own stand, and put my bell up to that. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 51 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:37:24 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <7883824.1137512244946.JavaMail.root@web29> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'll have to give that a try - love the name! J.c.S. ---- Earl Needham wrote: > At 09:20 PM 1/16/2006, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > >I almost forgot too! > > > >Skull Splitter (or Rogue Mocha Porter in a crunch :-) > > Skull Splitter?????????????? > > Whoa! > > Hey, for something different, try a beer called "La Fin du Monde" > -- 9+%... > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 52 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:39:06 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <24979675.1137512346985.JavaMail.root@web29> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You could false-tone it...? J.c.S. ---- Earl Needham wrote: > At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote: > >[this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please > >excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. > > > >hi, > > > >we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] > >sammy > >nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". > > > >the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half > >plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and > >stays in > >the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that > >as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the > >valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? > > > >thanks for any pointers, regards, > >sb > > I don't know how they did it in Basie's band, but if I ran across > that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one of those Stonelined hats on > it's own stand, and put my bell up to that. > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 53 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:36:54 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: Charles Levine Cc: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CD0F16.1060203@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Charles Levine wrote: >Does anyone use the Eb crook? What are its advantages? > > Charles, What do you mean by Eb crook? Do you mean Eb as opposed to a "D slide"? Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 54 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:41:40 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Simon Bailey Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the > valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? I've heard stories/rumors about locking the valves down (or just reversing the string threading on some valve designs) so that the valve is constantly engaged, for low-register plunger work. Obviously, this wouldn't help for passages that move in and out of the trigger register, so in that case, you'd have to play "in stand" or "in hat" instead of "half plunger." Also, I've seen big bands where idle bari sax players work the bass trombone plunger mute - no telling if the Basie players ever did/do that, but I've seen it happen. George ------------------------------ Message: 55 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:42:40 -0800 From: "Bryce Ferguson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: "Earl Needham" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'll second that. My band does quite a few of Sammy's arrangements and aiming the bell?at the stand is what I have to do to make it work. > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:27:54 -0700> To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu> From: needhame1@plateautel.net> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register?> > At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote:>>[this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please>>excuse me for double posts if you get both of them].>>>>hi,>>>>we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] >>sammy>>nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie".>>>>the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half>>plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and >>stays in>>the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that>>as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the>>valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that?>>>>thanks for any pointers, regards,>>sb> > I don't know how they did it in Basie's band, but if I ran across > that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one of those Stonelined hats on > it's own stand, and put my bell up to that.> > Earl> > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk> > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it)> > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR!> > > _______________________________________________> Trombone-l mailing list> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 56 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:43:02 -0500 From: George Carr Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "thetubameister@adelphia.net" Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu, Earl Needham Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just tried this, at a Cleveland club called Touch Supper Club, and it was excellent. Very strong, with a nice finish. Can we turn this into a beer discussion list? George On 1/17/06, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > I'll have to give that a try - love the name! > > J.c.S. > > Hey, for something different, try a beer called "La Fin du Monde" > > -- 9+%... ------------------------------ Message: 57 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:52:43 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: , "Earl Needham" Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <002e01c61b7e$0df272e0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Skull Splitter is a good one. I believe its made on one of the small islands. Isle of Orkney? I'm not sure of the name. They used ancient yeast (this can be done now by cloning? I think anyway they get a hold of the old yeast to make a similar brew to the way it was hundreds of years ago). It's good. It's an ale with a pretty distinctive flavor of its own. I gather the Skull Splitter is a reference to the Viking on the label. Not the brew. It didn't do anything to my skull except make it feel good. Of course they are not totally cheap but not over priced. . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Earl Needham" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems > I'll have to give that a try - love the name! > > J.c.S. > ---- Earl Needham wrote: >> At 09:20 PM 1/16/2006, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >> >I almost forgot too! >> > >> >Skull Splitter (or Rogue Mocha Porter in a crunch :-) >> >> Skull Splitter?????????????? >> >> Whoa! >> >> Hey, for something different, try a beer called "La Fin du >> Monde" >> -- 9+%... >> >> Earl >> >> >> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >> >> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" >> on it) >> >> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 58 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:56:02 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: , "Earl Needham" Message-ID: <003b01c61b7e$84d700b0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "La Fin du Monde" is a Unibroue product made in Eastern Canada. It's very spicy in flavor (imagine the flavor "tones" being somewhat like what you taste in eggnog). It's very well made. I just had a bit of a Trader Joe's 2005 ale which it says was also made by Unibroue. This was similar but not quite so spicy. Still quite a bit of flavor tones. Probably taste real good in front of a roaring fire with some cheeses. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems > At 09:20 PM 1/16/2006, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >>I almost forgot too! >> >>Skull Splitter (or Rogue Mocha Porter in a crunch :-) > > Skull Splitter?????????????? > > Whoa! > > Hey, for something different, try a beer called "La Fin du Monde" > -- 9+%... > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 59 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:55:34 -0500 From: "Steve Carr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Message-ID: <001901c61b7e$744472f0$a80f0e0a@corp.scholasticinc.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I use one of the neoprene softtone mutes just hanging from the top of the bell. Steve Carr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Bailey" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > [this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please > excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. > > hi, > > we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] sammy > nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". > > the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half > plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and stays in > the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that > as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the > valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? > > thanks for any pointers, regards, > sb > > -- > Simon Bailey > Systems Administrator > Institut fuer Informatik > Universitaet Innsbruck > Technikerstrasse 21a/2 > A-6020 Innsbruck > Tel: +43 (0) 512 507 - 6433 > http://informatik.uibk.ac.at/ > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 60 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:13:02 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: "George Carr" , Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu, Earl Needham Message-ID: <017501c61b80$e4c2bfd0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original No. . .but I THINK that beer is intrinsic to TROMBONE. . .am I wrong? Maybe. . .but not if you look at the numbers. Beer and Ale has been Democratically elected as the drink of choice for trombonists. In fact, this may be the entire low brass section drink of choice. I must admit that I envy our European colleagues in this regard. They have pubs and ale houses that can assist with their quest for excellence in beer and ale. If they are REALLY lucky they can get a GIG in one of these places. I had a gig last night at one place (not to be mentioned) that makes its own beer here in Los Angeles, CA but I'd not really commend the brews to a finnicky beer or ale drinker. I typically bring along an English ale or a Stout (technically part of the family. . .just like Porter) which I've hand picked over at Beverages and More. I feel I'm doing research only slightly departed from core trombone studies when I sample a new craft-brewed wonder. Like the "La Fin du Monde" (this is really from a large commercial brewery. .) or the various Belgian ales I'm sampling as time goes by. Between Britain and Belgium alone, there must be thousands of interesting taste testing opportunities. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carr" To: Cc: ; "Earl Needham" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems >I just tried this, at a Cleveland club called Touch Supper Club, and > it was excellent. Very strong, with a nice finish. > > Can we turn this into a beer discussion list? > > George > > On 1/17/06, thetubameister@adelphia.net > wrote: >> I'll have to give that a try - love the name! >> >> J.c.S. >> > Hey, for something different, try a beer called "La Fin du >> > Monde" >> > -- 9+%... > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 61 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:09:28 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: [Trombone-l] Politics again! To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060117090818.026e76b0@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:13 AM 1/17/2006, Chris Tune wrote: >Beer and Ale has been Democratically elected as the drink of choice for >trombonists. Let me be the first to point out that those of us who are Republican agree with this point of view, but take exception to the Democrats trying to take all the credit for the decision! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 62 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:18:32 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons To: "Daniel Pliskin" , Message-ID: <019701c61b81$a974c0d0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I mention having establshed that I now use REKA. But I should mention that the "collection", in its bag. . .has Conn Superslick and its bottle of silicone. . Trombotine. . . Slide O Mix in it's two incarnations - one step and two step varieties. . The only thing I've used over the years which is not now living in this bag is Ponds and Lemon Pledge. Anybody else get flack from others for the "smell" when they used Pledge? People mentioned it right away. . .they didn't seem to agree with me that a slick slide was more important than any smell that might arise. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems & comparisons > >> >>Hey listers, thanks ever so much for all your posts. I was almost >>convinced >>that my computer had a big problem from a recent crash and did'nt get >>fixed! >>Now I know. The list has always been a gem to me and full of invaluable >>info. Thanks, Emil >> > > Oh right.you think that just because you thank us all, you're going to > stop > a thread that talks about slide lube, valve lube and trombone > manufacturers.. Think again. > > And, oh, > > Trombotine and Formula 3, > > Formula 3 and > > a Buescher/King/Buescher Frankenbone > > And oh, I've been using a Kelley 5G, shaved down to fit a small-shank > trombone. Very sweet. > > DanP > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 63 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:26:55 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: , "Earl Needham" Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <01db01c61b82$d4e9d330$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One thing you could do is simply stick some Duct Tape on the edge of the plunger hanging over enough that you then tape the mute to the front of the bass bone. Then you lean down so the bottom of the mute is pretty open. . but the top is still in mute position. . .thus 1/2 closed plunger. You just can't move around very much or you will cause the mute to flap around creating a "wah wah" sound. If you can keep still though this should sound like half plunger sound. When it comes time to open up you have to have enough time to pull off the tape . . .so hopefully not just one measure. . . crt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Earl Needham" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > You could false-tone it...? > > J.c.S. > > ---- Earl Needham wrote: >> At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote: >> >[this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. >> >please >> >excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. >> > >> >hi, >> > >> >we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for >> >us] >> >sammy >> >nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". >> > >> >the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled >> >"half >> >plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and >> >stays in >> >the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there >> >after that >> >as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of >> >the >> >valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? >> > >> >thanks for any pointers, regards, >> >sb >> >> I don't know how they did it in Basie's band, but if I ran >> across >> that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one of those Stonelined hats >> on >> it's own stand, and put my bell up to that. >> >> Earl >> >> >> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >> >> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" >> on it) >> >> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 64 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:30:24 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Politics again! To: , "Earl Needham" Message-ID: <01ec01c61b83$518193b0$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I sought to use the generic "democracy" term as opposed to the style of a political party (mine has an elephant as its symbol). Of course, I'd really rather not have an elected Representative sample the beers and ales for me. I rather sample them myself at the very, very "local" level. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:09 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Politics again! > At 09:13 AM 1/17/2006, Chris Tune wrote: >>Beer and Ale has been Democratically elected as the drink of choice for >>trombonists. > > Let me be the first to point out that those of us who are > Republican agree with this point of view, but take exception to the > Democrats trying to take all the credit for the decision! > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 65 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:40:41 -0500 From: "Charles De Paolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: "Charles Levine" , "Trombone List" Message-ID: <014f01c61b84$c3cb4730$1e00a8c0@Road1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Charles, This will probably set off a minor nuclear exchange, but here's my thoughts: On an independent horn, tuning the second valve so that both together give Eb is sometimes used as an alternative to the standard "D" tuning. One of my former professors, an excellent bass trombonist, musician and teacher, advocated this system. I tried it for a while (partly to see if it really was better and partly to humor him). In the end I was not convinced. In fact, I felt even more certain that it was a step backwards from the inherant advantages of the independent setup. Yes, the Eb system does make certain trigger register scale passages stack up* nicely, but the D system also allows for similar scale stacking that is just as nice. In the Eb system, low F and second space C can be played on the second valve alone, laying somewhere around 4th position. In the D system, the F and C are located just north of 3rd position. To me, having F and C closer is better than having them farther. Also, having F and C nearly equidistant between 1st and 4th positions is better than having them located closer to 4th, and thus asymmetrical. But the big flaw in the Eb system in my mind is the location of low B natural (two ledgers down). It is way out, somewhere south of 6th position. In the D system, it's around 5th position. Since we tend to play lots of B's, it's nice to have them lay closer than farther. Furthermore, if you're playing a low B, there's a good chance your are in a sharp key, and located in the same or nearly the same position as low B are C#, D and F#. Nice to have them right there rather than slush pumping back and forth from flat 6th to flat 4th. I've been able to handily navigate some pretty tough Toshiko and Mintzer passages using D tuning that would have been a certifiable nightmare if played on an Eb system. Keep in mind all this applies to an independent setup. If you're using a dependant setup (another major liability, IMO) then you have much bigger problems to deal with than whether a note is in position x or x+1. Your mileage may vary, and certainly there are advocates of the Eb system who will dispute what I have said. They will almost certainly point out advantages to Eb that I have overlooked. But in the end, you need to look around and see who's playing what. The numbers clearly support that, for most people, the D system is the way to go. Meine Zwei Pfennig, --Chuck * scale stacking - being able to play an entire scale without moving the slide more than a single position either way from a home position. In the D system, you can stack a low Eb scale from a home of ca. 3rd position and not have to pass north of 3rd or south of 4th. This exercise in and of itself is of little practical use, but what it does mean is that the principal notes of the Eb tonality are all going to lie close to one another, making tricky passages that happen to be in Eb that much easier to execute. Other examples in other keys exist too, but Eb is perhaps the most poignant. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Levine To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone Does anyone use the Eb crook? What are its advantages? _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 66 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:53:23 -0500 From: mpurdy@jwpepper.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Simon Bailey Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu, trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Simon: In a lot of bands I play on when the marking calls for bucket mute the players go to half plunger. I've been reversing the thought process and in the cases you cite I've been using a JoRal bucket. No leader has complained and it seems to do the trick. Mike Simon Bailey Sent by: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu 01/17/2006 10:22 AM To trombone-l@server5.samford.edu cc Subject [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? [this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. please excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. hi, we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for us] sammy nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled "half plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and stays in the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there after that as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of the valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? thanks for any pointers, regards, sb -- Simon Bailey Systems Administrator Institut fuer Informatik Universitaet Innsbruck Technikerstrasse 21a/2 A-6020 Innsbruck Tel: +43 (0) 512 507 - 6433 http://informatik.uibk.ac.at/ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 67 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:58:47 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu, Earl Needham Message-ID: <30579459.1137517128251.JavaMail.root@web29> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Don't do this - duct tape is he!! on lacquer. J.c.S. ---- Chris Tune wrote: > One thing you could do is simply stick some Duct Tape on the edge of the > plunger hanging over enough that you then tape the mute to the front of the > bass bone. Then you lean down so the bottom of the mute is pretty open. . > but the top is still in mute position. . .thus 1/2 closed plunger. You just > can't move around very much or you will cause the mute to flap around > creating a "wah wah" sound. If you can keep still though this should sound > like half plunger sound. > > When it comes time to open up you have to have enough time to pull off the > tape . . .so hopefully not just one measure. . . > > crt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Earl Needham" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > > > > You could false-tone it...? > > > > J.c.S. > > > > ---- Earl Needham wrote: > >> At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote: > >> >[this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. > >> >please > >> >excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. > >> > > >> >hi, > >> > > >> >we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" [for > >> >us] > >> >sammy > >> >nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". > >> > > >> >the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled > >> >"half > >> >plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff and > >> >stays in > >> >the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there > >> >after that > >> >as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or both of > >> >the > >> >valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? > >> > > >> >thanks for any pointers, regards, > >> >sb > >> > >> I don't know how they did it in Basie's band, but if I ran > >> across > >> that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one of those Stonelined hats > >> on > >> it's own stand, and put my bell up to that. > >> > >> Earl > >> > >> > >> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > >> > >> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" > >> on it) > >> > >> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 68 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:01:21 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu, Earl Needham Message-ID: <0cc5f89bb1e3c6a452197eb696d93afa@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Now we've hit the holy tri-fecta! Trombones (and their lubricants). Good beers of the world. Duct tape. I will now retire to a remote deserted island to live out my days in harnomy! #:-) Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Chris Tune wrote: > One thing you could do is simply stick some Duct Tape on the edge of > the > plunger hanging over enough that you then tape the mute to the front > of the > bass bone. Then you lean down so the bottom of the mute is pretty > open. . > but the top is still in mute position. . .thus 1/2 closed plunger. > You just > can't move around very much or you will cause the mute to flap around > creating a "wah wah" sound. If you can keep still though this should > sound > like half plunger sound. > > When it comes time to open up you have to have enough time to pull off > the > tape . . .so hopefully not just one measure. . . > > crt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Earl Needham" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > > >> You could false-tone it...? >> >> J.c.S. >> >> ---- Earl Needham wrote: >>> At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote: >>>> [this is a resend of a message that didn't go through this morning. >>>> please >>>> excuse me for double posts if you get both of them]. >>>> >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and looked through a "new" >>>> [for >>>> us] >>>> sammy >>>> nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by count basie". >>>> >>>> the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro on piano are labelled >>>> "half >>>> plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on low C below the staff >>>> and >>>> stays in >>>> the valve register until the chart says "open". it stays down there >>>> after that >>>> as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while operating one or >>>> both of >>>> the >>>> valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's band manage that? >>>> >>>> thanks for any pointers, regards, >>>> sb >>> >>> I don't know how they did it in Basie's band, but if I ran >>> across >>> that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one of those Stonelined >>> hats >>> on >>> it's own stand, and put my bell up to that. >>> >>> Earl >>> >>> >>> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >>> >>> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis >>> Electronics" >>> on it) >>> >>> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 69 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:03:01 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone To: Charles De Paolo Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <23676898.1137517381239.JavaMail.root@web29> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Not to mention, with the D tuning you have long Bb, or the leading tone A# to low B, which can be helpful on the rare occasion. I also like the sound of "long Bb" for some situations. J.c.S. (playing a dependant ax) ---- Charles De Paolo wrote: > Charles, > > This will probably set off a minor nuclear exchange, but here's my thoughts: > > On an independent horn, tuning the second valve so that both together give Eb is sometimes used as an alternative to the standard "D" tuning. One of my former professors, an excellent bass trombonist, musician and teacher, advocated this system. I tried it for a while (partly to see if it really was better and partly to humor him). In the end I was not convinced. In fact, I felt even more certain that it was a step backwards from the inherant advantages of the independent setup. Yes, the Eb system does make certain trigger register scale passages stack up* nicely, but the D system also allows for similar scale stacking that is just as nice. In the Eb system, low F and second space C can be played on the second valve alone, laying somewhere around 4th position. In the D system, the F and C are located just north of 3rd position. To me, having F and C closer is better than having them farther. Also, having F and C nearly equidistant between 1st and 4th positions is better than having them located closer to 4th, and thus asymmetrical. But the big flaw in the Eb system in my mind is the location of low B natural (two ledgers down). It is way out, somewhere south of 6th position. In the D system, it's around 5th position. Since we tend to play lots of B's, it's nice to have them lay closer than farther. Furthermore, if you're playing a low B, there's a good chance your are in a sharp key, and located in the same or nearly the same position as low B are C#, D and F#. Nice to have them right there rather than slush pumping back and forth from flat 6th to flat 4th. I've been able to handily navigate some pretty tough Toshiko and Mintzer passages using D tuning that would have been a certifiable nightmare if played on an Eb system. > > Keep in mind all this applies to an independent setup. If you're using a dependant setup (another major liability, IMO) then you have much bigger problems to deal with than whether a note is in position x or x+1. > > Your mileage may vary, and certainly there are advocates of the Eb system who will dispute what I have said. They will almost certainly point out advantages to Eb that I have overlooked. But in the end, you need to look around and see who's playing what. The numbers clearly support that, for most people, the D system is the way to go. > > Meine Zwei Pfennig, > > --Chuck > > * scale stacking - being able to play an entire scale without moving the slide more than a single position either way from a home position. In the D system, you can stack a low Eb scale from a home of ca. 3rd position and not have to pass north of 3rd or south of 4th. This exercise in and of itself is of little practical use, but what it does mean is that the principal notes of the Eb tonality are all going to lie close to one another, making tricky passages that happen to be in Eb that much easier to execute. Other examples in other keys exist too, but Eb is perhaps the most poignant. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Levine > To: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:12 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Eb crook for bass bone > > > Does anyone use the Eb crook? What are its advantages? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 70 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:09:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Mike Caton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43CD24D0.000003.02836@UNDERCOV-700393> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To that we just need to add Silicone...the goopy stuff in the tube that hardens to a waterproof sealant - which is now the substance of choice for those parents of younger player who's water keys are leaking on the living room carpet.... Well at least they stopped soldering them closed... Mike -------Original Message------- From: Daryl Burch Date: 01/17/06 12:00:58 To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu; Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? Now we've hit the holy tri-fecta! Trombones (and their lubricants). Good beers of the world. Duct tape. I will now retire to a remote deserted island to live out my days in harnomy! #:-) Cheers! -D- ------------------------------ Message: 71 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20060117171258.5247.qmail@web50405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I like it except I'd have to make it a "tetra"-fecta and add single malt scotches (my drink of choice while playing a dance gig). Mine is the Glenlivet. But good beer before or after is always welcome (or before AND after!) Moose --- Daryl Burch wrote: > Now we've hit the holy tri-fecta! > > Trombones (and their lubricants). > > > Good beers of the world. > > > Duct tape. > > > I will now retire to a remote deserted island to > live out my days in > harnomy! #:-) > > Cheers! > -D- > www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night > www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) > > > On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Chris Tune wrote: > > > One thing you could do is simply stick some Duct > Tape on the edge of > > the > > plunger hanging over enough that you then tape the > mute to the front > > of the > > bass bone. Then you lean down so the bottom of > the mute is pretty > > open. . > > but the top is still in mute position. . .thus 1/2 > closed plunger. > > You just > > can't move around very much or you will cause the > mute to flap around > > creating a "wah wah" sound. If you can keep still > though this should > > sound > > like half plunger sound. > > > > When it comes time to open up you have to have > enough time to pull off > > the > > tape . . .so hopefully not just one measure. . . > > > > crt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Earl Needham" > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the > valve register? > > > > > >> You could false-tone it...? > >> > >> J.c.S. > >> > >> ---- Earl Needham > wrote: > >>> At 08:22 AM 1/17/2006, Simon Bailey wrote: > >>>> [this is a resend of a message that didn't go > through this morning. > >>>> please > >>>> excuse me for double posts if you get both of > them]. > >>>> > >>>> hi, > >>>> > >>>> we had a big band rehearsal yesterday and > looked through a "new" > >>>> [for > >>>> us] > >>>> sammy > >>>> nestico chart (i forgot the name) "as played by > count basie". > >>>> > >>>> the trombone and trumpet parts after the intro > on piano are labelled > >>>> "half > >>>> plunger" but the bass trombone starts out on > low C below the staff > >>>> and > >>>> stays in > >>>> the valve register until the chart says "open". > it stays down there > >>>> after that > >>>> as well, but how do i play "half plunger" while > operating one or > >>>> both of > >>>> the > >>>> valves? how did the bass trombonist in basie's > band manage that? > >>>> > >>>> thanks for any pointers, regards, > >>>> sb > >>> > >>> I don't know how they did it in Basie's > band, but if I ran > >>> across > >>> that, I'd use an extra music stand, or else one > of those Stonelined > >>> hats > >>> on > >>> it's own stand, and put my bell up to that. > >>> > >>> Earl > >>> > >>> > >>> Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > >>> > >>> Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil > (might say "Davis > >>> Electronics" > >>> on it) > >>> > >>> Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an > original TRISTAR! > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Trombone-l mailing list > >>> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >>> > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >> > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 72 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:17:07 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Mike Caton Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <548de5aa42b4c13559b06a6e28874f1b@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Now why would any self-respecting parent buy their up-and-coming young talent a horn that leaks!? For cripe's sake! Where's my Gorilla Glue? I'll fix that right up! P.S.: If you haven't tried Gorilla Glue, you should! It's is this century's replacement for duct tape. Don't get me wrong: duct tape will always be in my Swiss Army survival kit. But Gorilla Glue has been added. The stuff's plain amazing! On Jan 17, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Mike Caton wrote: > To that we just need to add Silicone...the goopy stuff in the tube that > hardens to a waterproof sealant - which is now the substance of choice > for > those parents of younger player who's water keys are leaking on the > living > room carpet.... > > Well at least they stopped soldering them closed... > > Mike > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Daryl Burch > Date: 01/17/06 12:00:58 > To: Chris Tune > Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu; Earl Needham > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? > > Now we've hit the holy tri-fecta! > > Trombones (and their lubricants). > > > Good beers of the world. > > > Duct tape. > > > I will now retire to a remote deserted island to live out my days in > harnomy! #:-) > > Cheers! > -D- > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 73 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:16:15 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: Mail problems To: , , Message-ID: <004a01c61b89$b9909e50$0100a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com > > Left out Guinness > > \where is Adrian?? Still in Scotland where he is most of the time. Waddaya want? A. ------------------------------ Message: 74 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:21:00 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] bass trbn plunger in the valve register? To: Simon Bailey Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I really doubt that Sammy Nestico intended for low Cs to be played half plunger. That was probably an editor's doing. I would play them in the stand. Most plungers are too small for bass trombones anyway, so full plunger only