Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. (BITEensemble@aol.com) 2. Re: Stupid human tricks (Stan Brager) 3. Re: Stupid human tricks (David A. Schwartz) 4. Trombones, trombones, trombones (Adrian Drover) 5. Getzen jazz bone 3508 Y (Dean Hubbard) 6. Re: Stupid human tricks (Mark Mohwinkel) 7. Re: Stupid human tricks (Alby Tbone) 8. Re: Stupid human tricks (Steve Beck) 9. Re: Stupid human tricks (Fred Hudson) 10. Re: Stupid human tricks (Phil Burton) 11. Re: Stupid Human Tricks (Bill Dinwiddie) 12. Re: (MY) Stupid Human Tricks (Matmutt@aol.com) 13. Re: Getzen jazz bone 3508 Y (jscot@ucalgary.ca) 14. Re: Stupid human tricks (Raymond Horton) 15. Re: Stupid Human Tricks (Daniel Pliskin) 16. Re: Stupid Human Tricks (Doug Rowe) 17. Re: Stupid human tricks (Walter Barrett) 18. Re: Stupid human tricks (Chris Tune) 19. Re: Stupid human tricks (Earl Needham) 20. FS: King 3B, Cases (Chris Waage) 21. Re: Stupid human tricks (Gabriel Langfur) 22. Re: Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. (Gabriel Langfur) 23. TONIGHT in Rochester, NY (dslide13@aol.com) 24. So many drummers...so little time (Eric & Candice Swanson) 25. Re: So many drummers...so little time (Keith Marr) 26. Re: So many drummers...so little time (dslide13@aol.com) 27. Re: So many drummers...so little time (Walter Barrett) 28. Re: So many drummers...so little time (Chris Tune) 29. Re: Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. (Jeff Albert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:13:39 EST From: BITEensemble@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. To: mr.dearthian@verizon.net, sabutin@mindspring.com, TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <21c.62ab080.30f56163@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 1/8/2006 1:33:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mr.dearthian@verizon.net writes: also love the fluidity of getting in and out of the low register. Absolutely seamless. I love being able to do the low Ab to 3rd position Bb in Saint-Saens 3rd easily without any blurbs and the notes sound like they are being played on the same side of the horn. I definitely agree with you on the centering in the upper register. Just plain makes it easier. I've played Axial-flow valves for the past 16 years and have finally found the valve that is the next step in improvement for me. Chris Dearth Agreed!!! This is by far the best valve I have ever had. I never thought I would get rid of my OE Thayer ('96 sealed at 90% whoohoo), but I did and have not looked back. -Wes ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:47:03 -0800 From: "Stan Brager" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: "Doug Rowe" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <001b01c6161e$a413d170$6501a8c0@jazzman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's my suggestion if you haven't solved your problem by now. Pour sodium hypochlorite (bleach) down both sides of the slide. Let it soak for several hours to weaken the bonds between the paper fibers. You may want to put some bleach and paper in a cup to get an idea of how well the bleach has done. Next, poke at the paper in your slide gently with a pointy object as suggested by others. The paper should dislodge with little problem. Caution: bleach can also remove colors from clothing and other fabrics as well so handle it with care or very old clothes. Stan Stan Brager ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rowe" To: "Trombone-L" Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > > At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long > overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing > out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod > all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > > the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > > SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I > can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > > I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the > obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip > tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and > have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for > me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > > I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to > see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the > towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not > dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide > cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the > bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). > Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > > Thanks in advance, > Doug > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:51:35 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43C41047.5070709@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Stan Brager wrote: >... Caution: bleach can also remove colors from clothing and other fabrics as well so handle it with care or very old clothes. > > With friends like us, Doug is soon going to need a new slide, new trousers ... ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:31:11 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombones, trombones, trombones To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <004e01c61624$cbf7b480$0100a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Trombones and trombonist-arranger-composers heavily featured on yesterday's BBC Big Band Special broadcast, directed by trombonist Jiggs Whigham. Programme finishes with my arrangement of "Spinning Wheel" from the '70s Maynard Ferguson album. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/bigband/ Klik on "Listen Again" A. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:29:20 -0800 From: "Dean Hubbard" Subject: [Trombone-l] Getzen jazz bone 3508 Y To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Anybody playing a Getzen 3508 Y jazz bone? I recently tried one at a convention and fell in love. It's a dual bore, .500"/.508" with a yellow bell and three lead pipes. Please give me your impressions/experiences with this horn, the good, the bad and the ugly. Thanks, Dean Hubbard ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Mohwinkel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Doug Rowe , Trombone-L Message-ID: <20060110212915.40922.qmail@web50411.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've used the coat hanger approach once, but only after wrapping the whole thing in 3M masking tape so it wouldn't scratch the inner slide of my 48H. Takes a bit of tape, but since I work for 3M..... Mark Mohwinkel Hudson, WI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:52:44 +0100 From: "Alby Tbone" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Message-ID: <003e01c61630$30e20d40$943f2c97@bimbo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought about another night with the slide full of water then rapid drying of the towel with a phon blowing hot air into the tubes. The towel will became a little bit smaller and it will fall out. Wetting and drying several times will help the paper to dissolve... ...you need patience or a few bucks for the repairsman. Best wishes of a happy 2006 to all my fellow 'bonists. Alby 'Tbone' Borio ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:51:17 -0500 From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Doug Rowe Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43C42C55.8060603@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Get some plastic coated cable. It goes around the slide crook easy enough and might push the paper through. Doug Rowe wrote: >Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > >At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long >overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing >out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod >all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > >the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > >SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I >can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > >I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the >obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip >tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and >have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for >me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > >I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to >see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the >towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not >dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide >cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the >bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). >Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > >Thanks in advance, >Doug >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:22:08 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: "Stan Brager" , "Doug Rowe" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <005201c61634$4e037e00$8ce6eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" NICHTS! NEIN! HELL NO!!! Sodium Hypochlorite is DEATH on Brass or almost any other metal but titanium for that matter. I don't mean to flame anyone - just sharing 40 years experience in the chemical industry much of which was spent working with hypochlorite bleach. Peace Stan! Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Brager" To: "Doug Rowe" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > Here's my suggestion if you haven't solved your problem by now. Pour sodium > hypochlorite (bleach) down both sides of the slide. Let it soak for several > hours to weaken the bonds between the paper fibers. You may want to put some > bleach and paper in a cup to get an idea of how well the bleach has done. > Next, poke at the paper in your slide gently with a pointy object as > suggested by others. The paper should dislodge with little problem. Caution: > bleach can also remove colors from clothing and other fabrics as well so > handle it with care or very old clothes. > > Stan > Stan Brager > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Rowe" > To: "Trombone-L" > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:22 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > > > > Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > > > > At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long > > overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing > > out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod > > all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > > > > the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > > > > SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I > > can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > > > > I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the > > obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip > > tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and > > have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for > > me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > > > > I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to > > see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the > > towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not > > dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide > > cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the > > bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). > > Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Doug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:26:32 -0700 From: Phil Burton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43C43498.1000009@bigsky.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed With all the "most excellent" suggestions coming forth, I fear that Trombonists may replace Blondes as the object of Internet Jokes... Phil Fred Hudson wrote: >NICHTS! NEIN! HELL NO!!! > >Sodium Hypochlorite is DEATH on Brass or almost any other metal but titanium >for that matter. > >I don't mean to flame anyone - just sharing 40 years experience in the >chemical industry much of which was spent working with hypochlorite bleach. > >Peace Stan! > >Fred H > > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:37:32 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid Human Tricks To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <000f01c61636$726207b0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I see that no one has yet suggested a 50/50 mixture of sodium cyanide and C4 plastic explosive. I had a similar problem and this really worked. It also eliminated the need to practice long hours or work unfullfilling rock and roll jobs. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:46:54 EST From: Matmutt@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] (MY) Stupid Human Tricks To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <127.6af9523a.30f5af7e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hmmm... The C4 sounds a little extreme. Here's a method I discovered years ago. Works like magic. 1. Place the closed end of your outer slide in a vise. try to grip both tubes equally. ( careful with the pressure here, or you'll quickly become expert in the use of alternate positions). 2. Light up a propane torch and apply heat to the solder joints holding the curved end portion of the tubing to the outer tubes. This takes a lot of heat to get both joints loose at the same time. Two torches would probably be better. WARNING Be prepared to duck quickly, as the spit valve seat will unsolder first and the spring tension will launch that little bugger across the room like a bullet. 3. Pull steadily on the crook with a pliers. It should pop right off. Now the paper towel or ( in my case) dishcloth fragment will be easily accessible. Proceed cautiously,as the charred fragment will most likely be smoldering and quite warm. 4. From here it's a simple matter to resolder the crook, wire on the spitvalve to hold it in place and resolder. VOILA! You will NEVER again shove anything down that slide that isn't secured to the cleaning rod. About twenty years ago I was actually dumb enough to do this. Except for a slight alignment problem which was corrected by a pro, IT WORKED. Larry P ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:36:42 -0700 (MST) From: jscot@ucalgary.ca Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Getzen jazz bone 3508 Y To: "Dean Hubbard" Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1099.68.146.218.18.1136943402.squirrel@68.146.218.18> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >Dean - I also liked the Getzen very much when I tried it at the ITF in Ithaca. I liked the red brass horn a bit better (might just be the particular ones that they had there). I was seriously considering buying a Getzen, but ended up with an Edwards that was just a bit heavier, and easier to play when you're used to a .547 horn. The Getzen would have been a considerable savings in $$, and was a really fine instrument. I'd recommend it as a great buy. Jim Scott Anybody playing a Getzen 3508 Y jazz bone? I recently tried one at a > convention and fell in love. It's a dual bore, .500"/.508" with a yellow > bell and three lead pipes. > Please give me your impressions/experiences with this horn, the good, the > bad and the ugly. > > Thanks, > Dean Hubbard > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:04:31 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Paul Kemp Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <43C467AF.3050801@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I second Paul's method. A fine repairman demonstrated it for me years ago, and it works like a dream on cloth or paper. Even better - raise the opposite slide up before filling with water, to give yourself even more water pressure. Doing this in a shower stall can be a good thing. (Also, don't use paper anymore - use a 4 inch strip of cloth that is a foot longer than your slide next time.). Raymond Horton Paul Kemp wrote: >NO--DO NOT use a coat hanger. > >Fill the opposite side of the slide with water, insert the corresponding >inner tube in the side filled with water, raise the slide until it is at 6th >position, then place your thumb over the end of the inner tube and force it >downward. If that doesn't work, repeat this 2-3 more times. The pressure of >the water will remove the paper towel. > >Even a distressed mother can do this (Yes, I've got first hand experience). > >Paul Kemp > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:54:16 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid Human Tricks To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I see that no one has yet suggested a 50/50 mixture of sodium cyanide and >C4 >plastic explosive. NO! NO! NO! NO! Look. Weâre only talking about paper, here. Either put a few book worms in there or burry the slide in your compost pile for a few weeks. No problem. What? You donât have a compost pile? Shame. What? You donât have a supply of book worms? Shame. Well, then I suppose youâre going to have to take the slide to a technician. Ah, but are there long cleaning brushes for French horns? If so, maybe one of those would do the trick. DanP ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:31:18 -0600 From: Doug Rowe Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid Human Tricks To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <33b69bb90601101931p4295409do508a568efa3383d3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everybody, Thanks for all the advice. I think I'm going to wait until I get home before I do anything (vs. having my wife do it) that way, if anything gets messed up, it's completely my fault, not hers. I think that'll be better for the marriage in the long run. I'll write back on Friday and let y'all know what I end up doing (and if it worked). Thanks again, Doug ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:36:34 -0500 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <3EDEAC1D-B02B-4BE0-B6D2-022D7D565279@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Paul Kemp wrote: > NO--DO NOT use a coat hanger. > > Fill the opposite side of the slide with water, insert the > corresponding > inner tube in the side filled with water, raise the slide until it > is at 6th > position, then place your thumb over the end of the inner tube and > force it > downward. If that doesn't work, repeat this 2-3 more times. The > pressure of > the water will remove the paper towel. > > Even a distressed mother can do this (Yes, I've got first hand > experience). > > Paul Kemp Thanks for the tip, Paul! I hope I never have to use it (since I usually use a long strip of cheesecloth), but if one of my students ever has this happen, I'll be ready. Walter Barrett "Politicians and diapers have one thing in common --- they both should be changed regularly and for the same reason!" -Anonymous Alto, tenor, bass trombones Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba Yamaha Artist/Clinician http://www.walterbarrett.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:02:31 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: "Paul Kemp" , Message-ID: <003001c61663$d89dc730$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I really like this one . . .so far. You can also use a similar method (pumping water in and out of your complete slide. . .) to do a "quick clean" of the gunk that tends to build up in there. . . Before you do this. . .PLEASE Raise your left hand. . .. Place your right hand over your heart. . . REPEAT: " I swear I will never place anything made of paper into my trombone slide. . . " :-) Really. Cloth is the only thing that should be used and even then, it needs to be pretty solid fabric. I'd concur on that remark about the Slide O Mix clearing thingy. I've got it in my gig bag and its a fitted, sheath of terry cloth that does a decent job of cleaning out the inside of the outside slide. The best thing I've ever used was some strips (really pretty "damn" long strips mind you! the idea is to wrap the entire length of the cleaning rod and still have some left over so you never see the cloth "vanish" into the slide) from that ancient "endless handtowel machine" that you used to see in public restrooms. John Sandhagen got a whole bunch of this stuff and it is a very tough and roughly woven kind of cotton fabric. The roughness of the weave is perfect for that magic bit of "just so" scouring that you want to do to get out any sort of deposit that may have found its way in there. I realize that there are some sophisticated alternatives--an example: There are gun cleaning kits with segmented, precision machined, steel rods (several need to be screwed together to make the cleaning rod) and with a screw fitted cotton swab that goes into the end. The rod has a spacer to prevent the metal rod from getting off center and thus contacting the wall of the gun. . .er . . .trombone. You could use some sort of benign cleaning agent on this cotton swab and get a good cleaning result (absolutely do not even "think" about using the metal brush fitting!). You do, however, have to take a trip to a gun store to get these (well maybe Wal-Mart has 'em. . .dunno). They don't take up much space in a mute bag. Since I don't really "have a life", I have, instead, several such clever devices for those occasions where I want to mess up my . . . .er . . .clean my trombone slide. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kemp" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > NO--DO NOT use a coat hanger. > > Fill the opposite side of the slide with water, insert the corresponding > inner tube in the side filled with water, raise the slide until it is at > 6th > position, then place your thumb over the end of the inner tube and force > it > downward. If that doesn't work, repeat this 2-3 more times. The pressure > of > the water will remove the paper towel. > > Even a distressed mother can do this (Yes, I've got first hand > experience). > > Paul Kemp > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:43 AM > To: rc750@earthlink.net; jeff@jeffalbert.com; darowe@gmail.com > Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > > How about the old wire coat hanger with a small hook on the end. > > > beldon wade > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.16/225 - Release Date: 1/9/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:35:03 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060110213439.02704270@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:02 PM 1/10/2006, Chris Tune wrote: >The best thing I've ever used was some strips (really pretty "damn" long >strips mind you! the idea is to wrap the entire length of the cleaning rod >and still have some left over so you never see the cloth "vanish" into the >slide) from that ancient "endless handtowel machine" that you used to see in >public restrooms. John Sandhagen got a whole bunch of this stuff and it is >a very tough and roughly woven kind of cotton fabric. The roughness of the >weave is perfect for that magic bit of "just so" scouring that you want to >do to get out any sort of deposit that may have found its way in there. > >I realize that there are some sophisticated alternatives--an example: > >There are gun cleaning kits with segmented, precision machined, steel rods >(several need to be screwed together to make the cleaning rod) and with a >screw fitted cotton swab that goes into the end. The rod has a spacer to >prevent the metal rod from getting off center and thus contacting the wall >of the gun. . .er . . .trombone. You could use some sort of benign cleaning >agent on this cotton swab and get a good cleaning result (absolutely do not >even "think" about using the metal brush fitting!). You do, however, have >to take a trip to a gun store to get these (well maybe Wal-Mart has 'em. . >.dunno). They don't take up much space in a mute bag. Hmm -- I wonder how Hoppe's No. 9 would do on those deposits? Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:47:43 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: [Trombone-l] FS: King 3B, Cases To: Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 1. King 3B Concert with F-attachment Solid instrument, cosmetically not the best, but plays great. Slide is about a 7 our of 10, rotor is fast and quiet, all slides pull. Lacquer is not good - it would be a great candidate for either delacquering or a complete re-lacquer. Comes with a solid but well-used black King coffin-style hard case. Photos on request. $500 OBO, including shipping in the US. Possible trade for Bach 42B bell section. (Selling this for one of my students.) 2. Reunion Blues Black Leather Bass Trombone Gig Bag This is an older, experienced Reunion Blues black leather gig bag for a large tenor or bass trombone. It has the slide case on the outside of the bag, rather than inside. It is definitely used - some cracking of the leather, but it's a solid bag. Please note: this bag will not work for bass trombones with a second trigger ring finger linkage - single rotor, or dependent bass trombones similar to a King Duo Gravis only. $125, I'll pay shipping. E-mail for photos. 3. Altieri Large Tenor/Bass Trombone Gig Bag Great condition Altieri large tenor/bass trombone gig bag. A few minor areas show wear, but in excellent condition. Original strap replaced with wider padded Samsonite strap. $105, I'll pay shipping. E-mail for photos. PayPal preferred. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Doug Rowe Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <20060111144833.97401.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Jeff Albert wrote: > Water pressure maybe? Or maybe compressed air, like at an auto service station. Careful... Gabe Langfur Boston, MA ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. To: Bob and Deborah Shaw , TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20060111150349.24300.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Bob and Deborah Shaw wrote: > I have an early 70s 88h. Is something like this available > for my horn? > Here's a stupid question as well. Would I replace the > entire trigger half of > the horn, or do they somehow change the valve on my > existing section? Where > would I have to go to try some of these options? I live > in NW Arkansas. > bob > Our official stance at Shires has been to go at least a year before doing or approving any TruBore valve conversions on any other brands of horns. That time is probably up at this point, but I still don't recommend it, for a couple of reasons: 1. The TruBore is a big valve, having almost the same issues with neck clearance as a Thayer valve. The Conn slide is more narrow than the Bach-style slide that is more typical for a Thayer conversion, and many players have trouble with the big valves in combination with narrow slides - not all, but many. A wider slide almost always works, because it places the valve lower in relation to your jaw. 2. If your Conn is early enough in the 70s, it's one of the last Elkharts, and most people recommend leaving these intact as is. It's a beautifully balanced design, and any surgery like this on it is a gamble that isn't really reversible. 3. The valve itself is expensive enough, and the work to do it would be expensive enough, that you can spend a bit more on a new horn, even an expensive instrument like a Shires, and if you're not satisfied it's better for you than what you've got you'd be able to return it. Now I'll really put the Shires salesman hat on...I don't do this much here because I don't think it's 100% appropriate, but here goes: If you love the classic Conn sound, it's my considered opinion that you can get closest to that, but with all the benefits of a modern instrument that responds incredibly evenly, with Shires. I would recommend trying: 1. 2RVE or 2RVET7 bell 2. TruBore or Rotary valve 3. T47 or TW47 slides in either yellow or gold brass You can see our website www.seshires.com for explanations of what all those numbers & letters mean. There's a contact list for dealers there as well. And Bob, you're wlecome to give us a call at Shires if you want to discuss it any more or ask any questions directly - 508-634-6805. Gabe Langfur Boston, MA ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:10:55 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: [Trombone-l] TONIGHT in Rochester, NY To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <8C7E4D85A8A1C8A-C38-16935@FWM-M30.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll be performing with the Cosgrove Jazz Ensembles in Spencerport, NY. If you aren't doing anything, the price is RIGHT. Come on down.... DG Ada Cosgrove Middle School Auditorium 2749 Spencerport Road Spencerport, NY 14559 Phone: (585) 349-5300 Time: 7:30pm Date: January 11,2006 Admission: Free Participants: Cosgrove Middle School Jazz Lab Band under the direction of Ann Lowe Cosgrove Middle School Jazz Ensemble under the direction of Mark Hull Special Guest: Mr. David Gibson David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:20:39 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43C52247.5070906@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Not trombone related, but I had to share this joke I got from a drummer friend: Did you hear about the drummer that became so despondent over his bad timing that he threw himself behind a train? ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:41:45 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time To: , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Not trombone related! Have you ever tried playing in front of one of these guys! We had a dep at a gig just before Christmas . . . Aye Yi Yi! Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- > Not trombone related, but I had to share this joke I got from a drummer > friend: > > Did you hear about the drummer that became so despondent over his bad > timing that he threw himself behind a train? ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:52:39 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time To: Mail@gothicway.fsnet.co.uk, swan325@earthlink.net, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8C7E4DE2F66C4B3-8E8-6DFA@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Of course this is trombone related. Most of the time, it's the bone section behind the train. I once played a big band gig where I was sitting right next to the drummer. The drummer was Al Voight, formerly of Tony Bennett's trio. I had NO problem hearing the drums...but apparently the saxes did. They ended up being an entire beat behind the rhythm section. After that, there was an extremely acrimonius relationship between Al and the saxes. (although...after a bottle of stoli, that was easy to achieve anyway.) Drummers with questioable time would probably sound a LOT better if they didn't have to lug us on their backs for the whole gig. On that note, I've got to go and miss my train. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Keith Marr To: swan325@earthlink.net; Trombone-L Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:41:45 -0000 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time Not trombone related! Have you ever tried playing in front of one of these guys! We had a dep at a gig just before Christmas . . . Aye Yi Yi! Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- > Not trombone related, but I had to share this joke I got from a drummer > friend: > > Did you hear about the drummer that became so despondent over his bad > timing that he threw himself behind a train? _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:54:49 -0500 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time To: Trombone-L List Message-ID: <72CCA552-E589-4F66-89A7-C1A6CC4F074B@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > Not trombone related, but I had to share this joke I got from a > drummer > friend: > > > Did you hear about the drummer that became so despondent over his bad > timing that he threw himself behind a train? > > ...and how about the drummer who thought Time was a magazine, and beat was a vegetable? Walter Barrett "Comedy is tragedy plus time." -Carol Burnett Alto, tenor, bass trombones Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba Yamaha Artist/Clinician http://www.walterbarrett.com ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:37:40 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time To: "Walter Barrett" , "Trombone-L List" Message-ID: <021b01c616cd$577d8b30$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I believe the Inclusive and Non-confrontational term for this is: Regarding Drummer: "He/she has his/her own unique 'groove' . . ." Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Barrett" To: "Trombone-L List" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] So many drummers...so little time > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > >> Not trombone related, but I had to share this joke I got from a >> drummer >> friend: >> >> >> Did you hear about the drummer that became so despondent over his bad >> timing that he threw himself behind a train? >> >> > > > ...and how about the drummer who thought Time was a magazine, and > beat was a vegetable? > > > Walter Barrett > > "Comedy is tragedy plus time." > -Carol Burnett > > Alto, tenor, bass trombones > Bass trumpet, euphonium, tuba > Yamaha Artist/Clinician > http://www.walterbarrett.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:49:12 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. To: Gabriel Langfur Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 11, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Gabriel Langfur wrote: > > Now I'll really put the Shires salesman hat on...I don't do > this much here because I don't think it's 100% appropriate, > but here goes: If you love the classic Conn sound, it's my > considered opinion that you can get closest to that, but > with all the benefits of a modern instrument that responds > incredibly evenly, with Shires. I would recommend trying: > > 1. 2RVE or 2RVET7 bell > 2. TruBore or Rotary valve > 3. T47 or TW47 slides in either yellow or gold brass > I will comment here, because that is pretty much what I did. I went through about a two year period of buying and selling horns, with the idea that it was all research for when I would finally spring for a custom horn. I was playing a .500 bore Edwards that was a great horn, but my musical needs were changing, and I was hearing bigger stuff. My first love in this process was a late 60's 78H. I kept experimenting and went through a .547 bore Edwards that was getting close, and a straight .547 Yamaha that was real close to what I was looking for. I eventually picked up an early 70's 88H. There is some dispute over whether it was late late Elkhart, or early Texas, but it played great. It was 30 years old with an old Conn slide and the string valve mechanism. Other than that, it did just what I wanted. When I ordered my Shires, I got a 2RVET7 bell and a T47 slide, with the rotor valve (this was pre TruBore) and the straight pipe. It does exactly what i wanted it to do. It is not exactly what the 88H was (which is ok, I prefer the Shire to the 88H I had), but it is definitely in the same horn philosophy space as the 88H it replaced. About the valves: I usually play mine straight, but lately have been going back and forth on using the valve all the time. I'm curious about the TruBore valve, but have never played one on my set up. The biggest issue for me is the darn oil in the slide. It drives me nuts. For some reason on my bass (an old Bach with Greenhoe conversion) it isn't that big a deal, but the Shires slide on my .547 is soooo good when it is clean (read when the straight pipe is on) that the little bit of valve oil drip really kills my vibe. The trade offs in the way the horn plays with and without the valve are also issues. I play a .547 mostly in situations where people don't play .547s. I think the extra size of the horn can make the valve too much for me sooner than it would on a .525. When things get just that little extra loud, or just that little extra fast, having the extra weight of the valve to get moving is noticeable. But, there is some more stability up high, and there are obvious technical advantages of having the valve, especially in some of the weirder noisier stuff I do. WOW, that was long. Sorry for the extended gear confession. Jeff ===================== Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 ******************************************