Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Shires TruBore Valve (Fred Hudson) 2. Stupid human tricks (Doug Rowe) 3. Re: Stupid human tricks (Jeff Albert) 4. Re: Stupid human tricks (Roger Carmichael) 5. Re: Stupid human tricks (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 6. Re: Stupid human tricks (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 7. Re: Stupid human tricks (Eric Edwards) 8. Re: Stupid human tricks (David A. Schwartz) 9. Re: Stupid human tricks (Charles De Paolo) 10. Re: Stupid human tricks (Paul Kemp) 11. Re: Stupid human tricks (Chris Dearth) 12. Re: Stupid human tricks (dajohansen@i-55.com) 13. Re: Stupid human tricks (Earl Needham) 14. Re: Stupid human tricks (dslide13@aol.com) 15. Re: Stupid human tricks (Eric & Candice Swanson) 16. Re: Stupid human tricks (Earl Needham) 17. Re: Stupid human tricks (Daryl Burch) 18. Re: Stupid human tricks = stupid answer (Adrian Drover) 19. Re: Stupid human tricks = stupid answer (Eric & Candice Swanson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:06:34 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Shires TruBore Valve To: , "Paul Johnston" , "Trombone-L" , Message-ID: <000a01c61579$ba88ee40$8ae7eb3f@s0024172501> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, You are probably closer to Tulsa than to Camden Arkansas but If you happen to be in South Arkansas any time soon you are welcome to drop by and try my setup. As far as the feasibility of a custom fit of a TruBore valve to your 88H you can contact Gabe Langfur at Shires directly. http://www.seshires.com/trubore.htm Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Paul Johnston" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Shires TruBore Valve > There is also a guy in Carrollton, just north of Dallas, Dave Schottle, that is starting to carry Shires. > The number is: 972-242-7707. > Tell him I sent you. > > Thanks > Eric > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Paul Johnston [mailto:blkbltbone@earthlink.net] > >Sent: Monday, January 9, 2006 09:02 AM > >To: trombone-l@samford.edu > >Subject: [Trombone-l] Shires TruBore Valve > > > >Bob; > > > > > > > >Nice to see another NW Arkansas player on the list. Probably the closest > >place to try some of these things is Tulsa Band. I haven't had the time to > >go over and visit yet but they are a Shires dealer. I think the person's > >name you would want to talk to is Ceth. > > > > > > > >Hope this helps; > > > > > > > >Paul > > > >Bass Trombone - Fort Smith Symphony > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > >On Behalf Of Bob and Deborah Shaw > > > >Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:13 PM > > > >To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU > > > >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Amazingly good new Shires TruBore valve. > > > > > > > >I have an early 70s 88h. Is something like this available for my horn? > > > >Here's a stupid question as well. Would I replace the entire trigger half of > >the horn, or do they somehow change the valve on my existing section? Where > >would I have to go to try some of these options? I live in NW Arkansas. > > > >bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >Paul Johnston > > > >Transition Consultant for Ozarks Unlimited Resources, Northwest Arkansas & > >Western Arkansas > > > > > > > >Northwest Arkansas Education Service Cooperative > > > >4 N. Double Springs Road > > > >Farmington, AR 72730 > > > >Office Phone: 479-267-7450 > > > >Fax: 479-267-7456 > > > >Email: paul@starfish.nwsc.k12.ar.us > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Trombone-l mailing list > >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:14 -0600 From: Doug Rowe Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43C3C316.2090208@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alright, so I had a bad night last night. At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod all the way down, began the upward thrust and... the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. Thanks in advance, Doug ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:34:27 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Doug Rowe Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <508CF0DF-4F82-498F-A7BC-70EF1219868F@jeffalbert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Water pressure maybe? Garden hose with the small old school nozzle? The little washer hose by the sink, maybe into a funnel to focus it? I've never tried any of these, but that's where my mind went first. Jeff ===================== Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Doug Rowe wrote: > Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > > At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long > overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of > swabbing > out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got > the rod > all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > > the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > > SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however > hard I > can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > > I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the > obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip > tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my > wife and > have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to > wait for > me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > > I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over > night to > see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the > towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not > dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide > cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the > bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). > Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > > Thanks in advance, > Doug > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:39:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Carmichael Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Jeff Albert , Doug Rowe Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <27970335.1136903956201.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Make a small version of a "plumber's snake" and twist it into the paper, then gently pull it out. A regular "snake" might be too large. -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Albert >Sent: Jan 10, 2006 9:34 AM >To: Doug Rowe >Cc: Trombone-L >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > >Water pressure maybe? Garden hose with the small old school nozzle? >The little washer hose by the sink, maybe into a funnel to focus it? > >I've never tried any of these, but that's where my mind went first. > >Jeff > >===================== >Jeff Albert > >www.jeffalbert.com >www.scratchmybrain.com > > > >On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Doug Rowe wrote: > >> Alright, so I had a bad night last night. >> >> At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long >> overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of >> swabbing >> out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got >> the rod >> all the way down, began the upward thrust and... >> >> the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. >> >> SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however >> hard I >> can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. >> >> I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the >> obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip >> tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my >> wife and >> have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to >> wait for >> me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. >> >> I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over >> night to >> see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the >> towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not >> dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide >> cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the >> bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). >> Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Doug >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:43:03 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: rc750@earthlink.net, jeff@jeffalbert.com, darowe@gmail.com Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" How about the old wire coat hanger with a small hook on the end. beldon wade ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 9:54:22 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <11216709.1136904862970.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Couple ways: You can try a compressor with air pressure, or water pressure, though that will probably be messy. If the towel is lodged in hard enough to tear off the rod, it's not going anywhere. Please don't use a coat hanger or a plummers snake. Bad idea! I use a special tool, which is a brass coarse-threaded screw soldered onto a long brass rod with a T on the other end. We screw it into the blockage GENTLY and pull it out in pieces, whether cloth or paper towel. I you can also try a long brass rod with an 1/8 inche right angle at the end, or a threaded brass rod from the hardware store, with the end filed to a point. Best bet - don't mess with this - bite the bullet and send it to the shop. J.c. ---- BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > How about the old wire coat hanger with a small hook on the end. > > > beldon wade > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:54:33 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: "'Doug Rowe'" , "Trombone-L" Message-ID: <200601101454.k0AEsWfA006978@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" All the suggestions so far were ok, EXCEPT for the coat hanger idea. That's an easy way to scratch your tube! Try the water pressure going INTO the tube you were cleaning. The water might force the paper towel back away from itself rather than pulling against itself. It probably doubled over getting it stuck. Maybe sitting wet will let it disintegrate enough that water pressure will push it out. Otherwise, you should get it to a tech. Next time, don't use paper. Get a long piece of cheese cloth, about 6" wide and 3-4ft long. It's real cheap at Walmart. Best of luck!! Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Rowe Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:22 AM To: Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks Alright, so I had a bad night last night. At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod all the way down, began the upward thrust and... the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. Thanks in advance, Doug _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:50:18 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Trombone-L Message-ID: <43C3C9AA.3020801@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Reminds me of the time my son came home with my precious 88H slide in two hands, one for outer and one for inner slide. Same predicament. We found a solution among our tools. Get - maybe a hardware store item - one of those thin, hollow, rods with a thumb plunger on one end and four little springy pincers at the other. It can reach in and grab and pull out the towel material. It's OK if it shreds it in the process. Good luck. David Doug Rowe wrote: >Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > >At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long >overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing >out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod >all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > >the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > >SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I >can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > >I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the >obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip >tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and >have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for >me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > >I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to >see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the >towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not >dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide >cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the >bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). >Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > >Thanks in advance, >Doug >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:27 -0500 From: "Charles De Paolo" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: "Trombone List" Message-ID: <008501c615f5$c31b87d0$1e00a8c0@Road1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Doug, Repairshop, definitely. Don't use water pressure or any screw attachments. Definitely don't use some kind of corrosive solution. With water pressure, you're very likely to deform your very expensive slide permanently. I'm not thinking here of major visible damage, but you are likely to slightly hydroform the tubes so that they are out of alignment. With a screw attachment, you might permanently scrape up the inner tubes. Spend a little to save a lot. Let a qualified tech do the work, and if he screws it up, you at least have some recourse. My Zwei Pfennig, ---Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Rowe To: Trombone-L Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks Alright, so I had a bad night last night. At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod all the way down, began the upward thrust and... the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. Thanks in advance, Doug _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:58:30 -0500 From: "Paul Kemp" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Message-ID: <002d01c615f6$52360d50$6101a8c0@paul25nv60mdvg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" NO--DO NOT use a coat hanger. Fill the opposite side of the slide with water, insert the corresponding inner tube in the side filled with water, raise the slide until it is at 6th position, then place your thumb over the end of the inner tube and force it downward. If that doesn't work, repeat this 2-3 more times. The pressure of the water will remove the paper towel. Even a distressed mother can do this (Yes, I've got first hand experience). Paul Kemp -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:43 AM To: rc750@earthlink.net; jeff@jeffalbert.com; darowe@gmail.com Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks How about the old wire coat hanger with a small hook on the end. beldon wade _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.16/225 - Release Date: 1/9/2006 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:08:06 -0500 From: Chris Dearth Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Eric Edwards , "'Doug Rowe'" , Trombone-L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Even better, get one of the Slide-o-mix slide cleaning kits. Gives you the right amount of friction to get stuff off and long enough to get a grip on it at the end. Also made of terry-cloth (sp?) and won't tear. May be a little pricey, but worth every penny IMHO. I've done what you've done Doug, and it sucks big time. DEFINITELY take it to a technician. No IFS, ANDS OR BUTS!!! (Especially with it being an Eddy). Chris Dearth Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony Adjunct Instructor, West Virginia Wesleyan -- On 1/10/06 9:54 AM, "Eric Edwards" wrote: > > All the suggestions so far were ok, EXCEPT for the coat hanger idea. > That's an easy way to scratch your tube! > Try the water pressure going INTO the tube you were cleaning. The water > might force the paper towel back away from itself rather than pulling > against itself. > It probably doubled over getting it stuck. > Maybe sitting wet will let it disintegrate enough that water pressure will > push it out. > Otherwise, you should get it to a tech. > > Next time, don't use paper. Get a long piece of cheese cloth, about 6" wide > and 3-4ft long. > It's real cheap at Walmart. > > > Best of luck!! > > Eric > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Doug Rowe > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:22 AM > To: Trombone-L > Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks > > Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > > At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long > overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing > out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod > all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > > the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > > SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I > can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > > I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the > obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip > tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and > have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for > me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > > I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to > see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the > towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not > dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide > cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the > bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). > Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > > Thanks in advance, > Doug > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:16:30 -0600 (CST) From: dajohansen@i-55.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Doug Rowe Cc: Trombone-L Message-ID: <8382455.1136906190092.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Doug, I did that once too. I got a bright idea, went out to my shop where I keep my automotive stuff and got a bolt reacher. This is a tool that consists of a long flexible shaft with claws that open and extend when you push the plunger at the other end. When you release the plunger, the claws retract. It worked like a charm. The tool is available at any automotive shop and isn't expensive. Dave Johansen PS: I no longer insert paper towels into my slide! > Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > > At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long > overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing > out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod > all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > > the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. > > SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I > can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. > > I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the > obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip > tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and > have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for > me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. > > I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to > see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the > towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not > dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide > cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the > bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). > Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. > > Thanks in advance, > Doug > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:25:02 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060110082206.0266eeb0@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:22 AM 1/10/2006, Doug Rowe wrote: >Alright, so I had a bad night last night. > >At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long >overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing >out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod >all the way down, began the upward thrust and... > >the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. Wow! I had a similar experience, back around 1968 or so, with an 88H. Ended up replacing one of the inner slide tubes -- it wasn't pretty. (It also wasn't MINE, it was a school horn...) Anyway -- not that I would ever suggest this method -- I've heard of people in similar situations dropping lighter fluid down the slide and then lighting it, in the hopes of burning the paper up. Not that I would ever suggest this method -- I'd guess gasoline would work too -- Hope you have a can of spray lacquer to replace what's gonna come off, if you do this -- At 07:54 AM 1/10/2006, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: >Best bet - don't mess with this - bite the bullet and send it to the shop. > >J.c. Yep. I agree -- that's the best idea out there. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:50:10 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: eric@elsjledwards.net, darowe@gmail.com, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8C7E414ABC83F9D-214-C0C2@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed What about leaving the slide next to a radiator to dry out? The wet towel will be bigger than a dry towel....and whatever breakdown of the paper that takes place while wet may aid in getting the dry towel out again. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Eric Edwards To: 'Doug Rowe' ; Trombone-L Sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:54:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks All the suggestions so far were ok, EXCEPT for the coat hanger idea. That's an easy way to scratch your tube! Try the water pressure going INTO the tube you were cleaning. The water might force the paper towel back away from itself rather than pulling against itself. It probably doubled over getting it stuck. Maybe sitting wet will let it disintegrate enough that water pressure will push it out. Otherwise, you should get it to a tech. Next time, don't use paper. Get a long piece of cheese cloth, about 6" wide and 3-4ft long. It's real cheap at Walmart. Best of luck!! Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Rowe Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:22 AM To: Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks Alright, so I had a bad night last night. At about 11:30pm I was practicing and decided that my slide was long overdue for a cleaning. I proceeded to do my normal routine of swabbing out the outer slide with a paper towel on a cleaning rod. I got the rod all the way down, began the upward thrust and... the paper towel ripped in two, freeing the rod to come out towelless. SO...my Edwards bass trombone slide pressure tests up to however hard I can blow, but doesn't really pass sound very well. I'm looking for reccomendations on ways to get this out (besides the obvious take it to a repair guy). I'm leaving on a business trip tonight, I'm hoping that maybe I can pass a suggestion on to my wife and have her extract this thing while I'm gone--otherwise it has to wait for me to come back to take it up to the (not so) local repairman. I did try filling the slide with water and letting it sit over night to see if there was any signifigant breaking down of the paper, but the towel seems to be doing an excellent job of absorbing water but not dissolving, just like the ad's say. I tried using my flexible slide cleaner to push it out, but that did nothing but break one of the bristley ends off (yes, I was able to extract that out of the slide). Finally I gave up at about 1:30am and went to bed. Thanks in advance, Doug _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:53:46 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <43C3D88A.5070802@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Earl Needham wrote: >.....Anyway -- not that I would ever suggest this method -- I've heard >of people in similar situations dropping lighter fluid down the slide and >then lighting it, in the hopes of burning the paper up. Not that I would >ever suggest this method -- > > I'd guess gasoline would work too -- > > > Earl, How can you even suggest something like this? Please do not try this at home!!!!!! Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:21:47 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060110092059.026d1e58@email.plateautel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:53 AM 1/10/2006, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: >Earl Needham wrote: > > >.....Anyway -- not that I would ever suggest this method -- I've heard > >of people in similar situations dropping lighter fluid down the slide and > >then lighting it, in the hopes of burning the paper up. Not that I would > >ever suggest this method -- > > > > I'd guess gasoline would work too -- > > > > > > > >Earl, > >How can you even suggest something like this? > >Please do not try this at home!!!!!! > >Eric Swanson Eric, see my disclaimer, stated at least twice -- >-- not that I would ever suggest this method -- Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis Electronics" on it) Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:06:40 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks To: Earl Needham Cc: trombone-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On a side note: "Next up on Springer.... musicians who turn their horns into flame throwers!" I'd think as true trombone players we would resolutely prefer either Bacardi 151 or grain alcohol. 'Cuz at least then we could drink it! -D- www.radionoise.com On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Earl Needham wrote: > At 08:53 AM 1/10/2006, Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: >> Earl Needham wrote: >> >>> .....Anyway -- not that I would ever suggest this method -- I've >>> heard >>> of people in similar situations dropping lighter fluid down the >>> slide and >>> then lighting it, in the hopes of burning the paper up. Not that I >>> would >>> ever suggest this method -- >>> >>> I'd guess gasoline would work too -- >>> >>> >>> >> >> Earl, >> >> How can you even suggest something like this? >> >> Please do not try this at home!!!!!! >> >> Eric Swanson > > Eric, see my disclaimer, stated at least twice -- > >> -- not that I would ever suggest this method -- > > > Earl > > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > > Looking for one MasterMobile 20-meter coil (might say "Davis > Electronics" > on it) > > Say NO to unbranded junk -- insist on an original TRISTAR! > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:14:25 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks = stupid answer To: "'Doug Rowe'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <004d01c61609$4f255040$0100a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Soak the paper in honey and water. Leave the slide out near an ant's nest. You may have to wait till summer kicks in. A. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:27:45 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Stupid human tricks = stupid answer To: "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <43C3EE91.1000109@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Adrian Drover wrote: >Soak the paper in honey and water. Leave the slide out near an ant's nest. >You may have to wait till summer kicks in. > > > I was going to suggest putting a bunch of termites in there and letting them eat the paper.... ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 ******************************************