Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: latin horns? (Dean Hubbard) 2. Re: Tomasi concerto (Jeff Freeman) 3. Re: latin horns? (sabutin) 4. Indian trombones (Keith Marr) 5. Re: Indian trombones (Chris Dearth) 6. Re: Indian trombones (BassBonist@aol.com) 7. Re: Indian trombones (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 8. Re: Indian trombones (Matthew Stoecker) 9. Re: Indian trombones (Chris Waage) 10. Re: Indian trombones (Chris Dearth) 11. RE: Indian trombones (Daniel Pliskin) 12. Denver euphoniumist releases new jazz CD (tom@jazzeuphonium.com) 13. Zeus instruments (Eric & Candice Swanson) 14. RE: Zeus instruments (Eric Edwards) 15. RE: Zeus instruments (Galen McQuarrie) 16. World Premiere (David Bobroff) 17. Re: Zeus instruments (hlmswlkr@ozemail.com.au) 18. Re: Zeus instruments (Michael Shoshani) 19. Re: Indian trombones (Keith Marr) 20. Re: Zeus instruments (BassBonist@aol.com) 21. time vs. melody/harmony (dslide13@aol.com) 22. RE: time vs. melody/harmony (Steve Gamble) 23. RE: Zeus instruments (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 24. Re: Zeus instruments (Eric & Candice Swanson) 25. Re: time vs. melody/harmony (dslide13@aol.com) From: Dean Hubbard Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:59:14 -0700 To: , chris Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] latin horns? Out here in the San Francisco Bay Area I see a lot of King 3Bs used on Latin gigs. I've also heard a few folks playing .525" horns, Bach 36s and Conn 78Hs and one or two 6Hs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] latin horns? > The horn had a nice pallet of sounds. I could go from dark to bright > with a little adjustment of my air. I could see using this instrument > in a big band, shows, combos, etc. This might not be a good choice > for some Latin bands or other groups where extreme volume is an > issue. > I'm interested in what people are using for latin horn sections. What type and/or size of horn is popular. Ideas? thanks Chris _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Jeff Freeman Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:54:52 -0500 To: Daniel Dunford Cc: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Tomasi concerto Daniel, I received your email, but I was having problems posting to the list. I will respond to your email on the list sometime today or tomorrow. Jeff Daniel Dunford wrote: >Since I don't seem to be getting any comments (helpful or otherwise) on the regular OTJ board, could someone give me some help with this piece? (particularly the 1st and 3rd mvts.) > >Daniel >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > >. > > > From: sabutin Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:55:42 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] latin horns? Brass or silver 3Bs are still the favorites by far in NYC, although there has been a move to 525s and even .547s. Depends on how loud the band is, how much miking is being done (and how well), where the tessitura lays, how you have your equipment set up, and how balanced and strong you are. For big band latin work (which is mostly what I do these days) for lead work I use a .500 Shires with a NY 12C. It works because I have my Shires wide open in the leadpipe and tuning slide departments and the NY 12C plays amazingly open as well. For lower parts I use a Shires .525 w/ a 6 1/2 AL-ish m' pce or a Shires .509 with a heavyweight Stork T1. I also often use the .509/T1 when I do smaller bands...2 trumpets, 2 trombones, etc. What you do NOT want to do is end up laboring on the mambos somewhere around the last 1/3rd of the gig. I would sacrifice some sound and some low range to avoid that if I had to, because in the end that kind of forced high range playing is very detrimental to your chops. Get the right tool for the job. For YOU. S. >> The horn had a nice pallet of sounds. I could go from dark to >>bright with a little adjustment of my air. I could see using this >>instrument in a big band, shows, combos, etc. This might not be a >>good choice for some Latin bands or other groups where extreme >>volume is an issue. >> > >I'm interested in what people are using for latin horn sections. >What type and/or size of horn is popular. > >Ideas? > >thanks >Chris > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l -- Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only. PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN, A WEB FORUM Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. An introduction to the site is available at or just come on over check it out at From: Keith Marr Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:33:14 +0100 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or three of them on UK eBay now. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I was actually looking for something to saw off the bell and use as a sackbut. At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so if they were decent trombones. Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra Page Three Big Band From: Chris Dearth Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:05:18 -0400 To: Keith Marr Cc: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones Nah, I think it is safe to get out the old hacksaw. I love the slidelock!! On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Keith Marr wrote: > Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or > three of them on UK eBay now. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > I was actually looking for something to saw off the bell and use as a > sackbut. At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so if > they were decent trombones. > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > Chris Dearth Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony Adjunct Instructor, West Virginia Wesleyan College From: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:02:29 EDT To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones mail@gothicway.fsnet.co.uk writes: At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so if they were decent trombones. No worries about "ruining" a "decent" instrument. These are on par with the Chinese variety. In other words; El Cheap-o Grande. Make a nice "sackbut" or floor- lamp, though.... Matt Varho "Don't look at the trombones, it only encourages them." - Richard Strauss From: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:28:51 -0400 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones Runn Screaming - Do not Touch - Danger! J.c.S. ---- Keith Marr wrote: > Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or three of them on UK eBay now. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > I was actually looking for something to saw off the bell and use as a sackbut. At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so if they were decent trombones. > > Keith in Bb/F/D > Bass Trombone > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > Page Three Big Band > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Matthew Stoecker Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:32:44 -0700 To: Keith Marr , Chris Dearth Cc: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones Frankly, I don't think they're good enough for the sackbut treatment. At least get an old Bundy. Matt Stoecker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dearth" To: "Keith Marr" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones > Nah, I think it is safe to get out the old hacksaw. I love the > slidelock!! > > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Keith Marr wrote: > > > Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or > > three of them on UK eBay now. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > I was actually looking for something to saw off the bell and use as a > > sackbut. At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so if > > they were decent trombones. > > > > Keith in Bb/F/D > > Bass Trombone > > St Albans Symphony Orchestra > > Page Three Big Band > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > Chris Dearth > Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony > Adjunct Instructor, West Virginia Wesleyan College > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > From: Chris Waage Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:53:21 -0700 To: Keith Marr , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones A friend of mine here in KC purchased one of the valve trombones this guy offers. In addition to the shipping being very high, the quality was just slightly better than a trash can with a leadpipe. I'd say to buy an old student instrument rather than spending the money for one of this guy's junkers. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Keith Marr" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:33:14 +0100 >Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or three of them on UK eBay now. > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > >I was actually looking for something to saw off the bell and use as a sackbut. At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so if they were decent trombones. > >Keith in Bb/F/D >Bass Trombone >St Albans Symphony Orchestra >Page Three Big Band >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at trombone.org From: Chris Dearth Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:29:59 -0400 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones The ideal for an Indian trombone is for a little annual tradition we had at Arizona State. At the beginning of every school year our teacher, Gail Eugene Wilson, would throw the annual trombone studio party. Towards the early evening (6'ish) we would gather up and head to a local schoolyard. Each year he would look for a 'sacrificial' trombone. When we got to the schoolyard, he would assemble the horn, play taps on it, draw numbers, and take turns throwing it as far as we humanly can, commencing the annual "Trombone Toss". Each throw was measured and the 2 longest throws got prizes (usually a trombone cd of some sorts). After all the turns were done, the instrument would be compacted and hung on his studio wall. Chris On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:28 PM, wrote: > Runn Screaming - Do not Touch - Danger! > > J.c.S. > ---- Keith Marr wrote: >> Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or >> three of them on UK eBay now. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> >> I was actually looking for something to saw off the bell and use as a >> sackbut. At 0.485 bore this might do the job, but I'd hate to do so >> if they were decent trombones. >> >> Keith in Bb/F/D >> Bass Trombone >> St Albans Symphony Orchestra >> Page Three Big Band >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > Chris Dearth Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony Adjunct Instructor, West Virginia Wesleyan College From: Daniel Pliskin Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:16:23 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones Keith, >Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or three of >them on UK eBay now. > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Donâtâ buy a chrome-plated horn. Theyâre hell to work on. You canât solder to the chrome. As for cutting down the bell, once youâve gotten through the roll at the edge of the bell-flare (a hack-saw will do that easily), you can cut a bell with a tin snips. DanP From: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:40:08 -0700 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] Denver euphoniumist releases new jazz CD From: Eric & Candice Swanson Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:25:51 -0500 To: Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments Boneheads, I had somebody call me today and say that they had a Zeus trumpet. I had never heard of the brand before. Have any of you ever heard of the Zeus brand horns? Any good etc.? Where are they made? Answer quick. I need to know by tomorrow. Thanks, Eric From: Eric Edwards Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:00:41 -0700 To: , Trombone-L Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments I thought the Zeus brand was made by Kanstul's in Anaheim. But the website doesn't show anything. It might be a custom line for someone. Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:26 PM To: Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments Boneheads, I had somebody call me today and say that they had a Zeus trumpet. I had never heard of the brand before. Have any of you ever heard of the Zeus brand horns? Any good etc.? Where are they made? Answer quick. I need to know by tomorrow. Thanks, Eric _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Galen McQuarrie Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:04:13 -0700 To: , Trombone-L Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments There has been a lot of discussion of these on the OTJF over the last year or two. I have heard that they are a stencil horn like Allora, and I believe they are made by Gerhardt Bauer or some other German Company. The trombones at least were said to be of quite good good quality. You might do a search on the OTJF to see what comes up. Galen McQuarrie -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu]On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:26 PM To: Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments Boneheads, I had somebody call me today and say that they had a Zeus trumpet. I had never heard of the brand before. Have any of you ever heard of the Zeus brand horns? Any good etc.? Where are they made? Answer quick. I need to know by tomorrow. Thanks, Eric _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: David Bobroff Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:39:28 +0000 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] World Premiere Hello all, I'm pleased to announce that I'll be premiering John Kenny's "Sonata for Contrabass Trombone" this Sunday, April 24th at the "Brass Spectacular 2005" hosted by the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama, in Glasgow, Scotland. Everyone come check out the show and we can all meet afterwards at The Slaughtered Lamb for a pint of Haggis. -David From: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:37:18 +1000 To: , Trombone-L Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments Zeus horns are a stencil brand made by Kanstul according to the designs of the person behind Zeus. Story goes the fellow behind it (can't recall his name) wanted to produce a range of better quality, lower priced horns, to compete with the "standard" brands. He approached a few makers, and Kanstul was happy to be a part of it, since Zig has been a part of many other companies products over the years (Benge, US made French Besson, Burbank Trumpet Co to name 3) The horns are well made, and play quite nicely. No I'm not on their payroll.....;-) Regards, Matthew Walker Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia Walker's Instrument Repair, "The Brassery" > > From: Eric & Candice Swanson > Date: 20/04/2005 13:25:51 > To: Trombone-L > Subject: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments > > Boneheads, > > I had somebody call me today and say that they had a Zeus trumpet. I > had never heard of the brand before. Have any of you ever heard of the > Zeus brand horns? Any good etc.? Where are they made? > > Answer quick. I need to know by tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au From: Michael Shoshani Reply-To: Michael Shoshani Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:25:21 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments We've secretly replaced 's message with Folger's Crystals. Let's see if anyone notices: >Zeus horns are a stencil brand made by Kanstul according to the designs of the person behind Zeus. Almost. Zeus horns are, last I heard, actually made by Blessing. The company's professional line, Guarnerius, is made by Kanstul. This information is a couple of years old, and comes from present and former dealers on the OTJ Forum. The company's website is http://www.zacharymusic.com/Zachary_Music/index.html , but Alex (I think that's the guy's name) is super-secretive with the public on where he sources his horns, although it is apparently well-known in the trade. Michael Shoshani Chicago From: Keith Marr Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:05:36 +0100 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones Thanks for all the comments on this. Looks like it's back to Plan A - buy an old peashooter. Keith Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Indian trombones > > Keith, > >>Anyone had any experience of these? Quality? Tone? There;s two or three of >>them on UK eBay now. >> >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7316212470&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > Don't' buy a chrome-plated horn. They're hell to work on. You can't > solder to the chrome. > > As for cutting down the bell, once you've gotten through the roll at the > edge of the bell-flare (a hack-saw will do that easily), you can cut a > bell with a tin snips. > > DanP > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > From: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:46:18 EDT To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments >Zeus horns are a stencil brand made by Kanstul according to the designs of the person behind Zeus. To which Michael Shoshani wrote: Almost. Zeus horns are, last I heard, actually made by Blessing. The company's professional line, Guarnerius, is made by Kanstul. Sorry, Mike. The ZeuS trumpets are also made by Kanstul, not Blessing. Decent horns, too. Matt Varho "Don't look at the trombones, it only encourages them." - Richard Strauss From: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:59:24 -0400 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] time vs. melody/harmony I've always been of the opinion that most audiences don't really hear harmony. Perhaps different tonalities affect them, but I don't think they're as aware of harmony as much as tempo. I believe the average audience member is still slightly more aware of melody, but tempo seems to be the common thread to their understanding. Therefore, I believe that by taking special care of the time, I can impact the audience more dramatically. I'm not talking about fast or slow, I'm referring to the relationship between notes, or rests, and how accurately I adhere to the "heartbeat" of the music. Usually, anxiety causes us as performers to forget about the "time". If we come to a difficult passage in performance, we may drag in order to play all the notes...or we may rush to compensate for our dragging reflex. I teach my students to protect the time by, of course, practicing with a metronome. But, there is much we can do in synchronizing the slide, breath and the tongue also. And, some performers don't hear the time the same way as others. But, I think time is the most important factor in differentiating between a good player and a great player. The great ones all communicate the beat. Any thoughts??? David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org From: Steve Gamble Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:28:36 -0700 To: , Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] time vs. melody/harmony Hi David, For me, when I'm teaching, time is the thing that organizes everything. I try to get my students to prioritize their thinking so that it's easy for them to identify not only what needs improvement, but the next improvement that's the easiest to make. So, one of the things that I often say in lessons is "time is more important than the notes." Every musical moment has its right place. Something needs to happen at that moment. It's a better (more educational) mistake to play a crummy note in the right place than a good note in the wrong place. (Of course, it's better yet to play a good note in the right place.) Once they understand that, there are a step closer to when the music can begin to be the teacher instead of me. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of dslide13@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:59 AM To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] time vs. melody/harmony I've always been of the opinion that most audiences don't really hear harmony. Perhaps different tonalities affect them, but I don't think they're as aware of harmony as much as tempo. I believe the average audience member is still slightly more aware of melody, but tempo seems to be the common thread to their understanding. Therefore, I believe that by taking special care of the time, I can impact the audience more dramatically. I'm not talking about fast or slow, I'm referring to the relationship between notes, or rests, and how accurately I adhere to the "heartbeat" of the music. Usually, anxiety causes us as performers to forget about the "time". If we come to a difficult passage in performance, we may drag in order to play all the notes...or we may rush to compensate for our dragging reflex. I teach my students to protect the time by, of course, practicing with a metronome. But, there is much we can do in synchronizing the slide, breath and the tongue also. And, some performers don't hear the time the same way as others. But, I think time is the most important factor in differentiating between a good player and a great player. The great ones all communicate the beat. Any thoughts??? David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:41:29 -0400 To: Cc: Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments Could be a taylor cornet.... J.c.S. ---- Eric Edwards wrote: > > I thought the Zeus brand was made by Kanstul's in Anaheim. > But the website doesn't show anything. > It might be a custom line for someone. > > Thanks > Eric > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] > On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:26 PM > To: Trombone-L > Subject: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments > > Boneheads, > > I had somebody call me today and say that they had a Zeus trumpet. I had > never heard of the brand before. Have any of you ever heard of the Zeus > brand horns? Any good etc.? Where are they made? > > Answer quick. I need to know by tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Eric & Candice Swanson Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:44:48 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Zeus instruments Thanks to everyone for the prompt answers to my plea for info. Eric From: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:16:57 -0400 To: , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] time vs. melody/harmony Exactly. Part of the revelation of working with a metronome is the fact that our ego will let us off the hook when we're late with a note. Our intentions take over our perception. Therefore, because we intend to play the proper notes and rhythms and we get the notes, we also assume we got the rhythms and played them in tempo. Our perception is frequently flawed, until we develop a higher sense of everything around us....including the time. A metronome and a sound recorder are frequently the only ways to develop that broader sense. How many times have you told a talented student that they were late on an entrance and have them say,"What?! Really? I was?" I listened, with my student, to a good deal of the recording of his recital. Sure, he chipped a few notes and had an occasional intonation glitch...but the most daunting flaw in the recording was his poor time. And, the beauty of the recording is that I didn't have to bring it up. He walked in to my studio telling me how bad his time was. There's hope for him now. All of the little time glitches either make the actual rhythms vague, or just make the audience aware of the performer's anxiety...or of their own anxiety in listening to the performance. David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gamble To: dslide13@aol.com; TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:28:36 -0700 Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] time vs. melody/harmony Hi David, For me, when I'm teaching, time is the thing that organizes everything. I try to get my students to prioritize their thinking so that it's easy for them to identify not only what needs improvement, but the next improvement that's the easiest to make. So, one of the things that I often say in lessons is "time is more important than the notes." Every musical moment has its right place. Something needs to happen at that moment. It's a better (more educational) mistake to play a crummy note in the right place than a good note in the wrong place. (Of course, it's better yet to play a good note in the right place.) Once they understand that, there are a step closer to when the music can begin to be the teacher instead of me. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of dslide13@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:59 AM To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] time vs. melody/harmony I've always been of the opinion that most audiences don't really hear harmony. Perhaps different tonalities affect them, but I don't think they're as aware of harmony as much as tempo. I believe the average audience member is still slightly more aware of melody, but tempo seems to be the common thread to their understanding. Therefore, I believe that by taking special care of the time, I can impact the audience more dramatically. I'm not talking about fast or slow, I'm referring to the relationship between notes, or rests, and how accurately I adhere to the "heartbeat" of the music. Usually, anxiety causes us as performers to forget about the "time". If we come to a difficult passage in performance, we may drag in order to play all the notes...or we may rush to compensate for our dragging reflex. I teach my students to protect the time by, of course, practicing with a metronome. But, there is much we can do in synchronizing the slide, breath and the tongue also. And, some performers don't hear the time the same way as others. But, I think time is the most important factor in differentiating between a good player and a great player. The great ones all communicate the beat. Any thoughts??? 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