Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11 Date: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wisdom Teeth (DSlide13@aol.com) 2. Re: Wisdom teeth (Dan Walker) 3. Re: Wisdom teeth (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 4. RE: Wisdom teeth (John J. Jenkins) 5. RE: Wisdom teeth (John J. Jenkins) 6. Re: Wisdom teeth (Jeff Albert) 7. Re: Wisdom teeth (David A. Schwartz) 8. RE: Wisdom teeth (John J. Jenkins) 9. RE: Wisdom teeth (Daniel Pliskin) 10. RE: Wisdom teeth (John J. Jenkins) 11. Re: Wisdom teeth (Raymond Horton) 12. RE: Wisdom teeth (Paul Kemp) 13. OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/21/05 (Chris Waage) 14. RE: Wisdom teeth (John J. Jenkins) 15. RE: Wisdom teeth (Paul Kemp) From: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:46:20 -0500 To: Jeff Albert , Tony Clements Cc: Subject: [Trombone-l] Re: Wisdom Teeth I had all 4 wisdom teeth pulled on the same day. The procedure was supposed to be simple, but two of my teeth broke off when the dentist was pulling them. He told me the "good news" was that I had very strong jaw bone. I alerted the dentist to my anxiety about nerve damage and he explained that the only potential for that was on the top teeth, and that it would only be any issue if the nerve ran close to the area of the tooth. According to him, he would be able to detect any potential problems by simply looking at my x-rays. We went ahead with the procedure, and I had no problems other than some discomfort for a day or two. DG www.jazzbone.org From: Dan Walker Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:37:06 -0500 To: Tony Clements Cc: , , Brass List Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Tony Clements wrote: >Friends, > >As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >experience with this? Thanks. > >Tony Clements > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > Tony I have played trombone all my life, and the scariest thing I ever did was to undergo an orthodontics program when I was 28. Ultimately, I am very glad that I had it done. As part of the process, I had 8 teeth pulled at the same time, including my wisdom teeth. As I happens, yes the doctor did hit a nerve. As it also happens, it never really impacted my playing ( although some people might have wished that it did!). I have a tingly/numbish sensation in the skin below my lower lip. It feels a bit weird, but doesn't really impact on the muscles that control the chops, nor does it affect the way I feel the mouthpiece on my chops. Just my 2 pennies. Good luck with the teeth - consider the potential discomfort/impact on your playing if you don't have them out! Dan Walker From: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:47:07 -0500 To: Cc: , , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Remeber - this decision is yours! I was strongly advised to have all 4 of mine removed. I couldn't afford it, but more importantly I was concerned about that mandibular nerve which runs beneath the lower teath on each side. I should also mention that the two left wisdom teeth were partially erupted, and one had a small cavity. After x-rays, it was shown that the lower left tooth was resting on the nerve, at least according to the x-ray. There was no way to see 3D if it was in front of or behind it. Upon constant questioning, I leadned that: 1) None of the teach were moving anymore. 2) Partially erupted teach are a cavity/absess risk. 3) Non-erupted teeth present minimal risk. 4) There was significant risk in the lower left tooth, but it could be repaired, and orthadontically raised to a save level to remove. I have had one tooth pulled, the upper left. After that, nothing. I should be able to get the lower left pulled in a couple years, and it's fine right now. Nothing will be done on the right, since the risk is so low, and if something does occur, the risk is no greater then than now. You are in control of your therapy. Ask questions, and get the facts, and make a decision. I believe you can find some interesting and informative material in a late 80's ITG journal - one that convinced me to leave well-enough alone. My $.02 J.c.S. ---- Tony Clements wrote: > Friends, > > As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my > wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that > may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any > experience with this? Thanks. > > Tony Clements > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: "John J. Jenkins" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:24:11 -0500 To: Brass List , Tony Clements , trombone-l , tubaeuph Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth I had 4 of my wisdom teeth cutt out on December 18th of 2004. Two of them were starting to break the gum and the other were dormant right under the gum surface. The tooth that had broke the gum line gave me problems about a year ago, but the pain eventually receded. And then around the middle of November 2004 the pain returned and was even more excruciating. It got to the point of where I couldn't even play for more than 45 minutes at a time!!! And that is when I decided that it was time to have them removed. That was the best decision I've made in a long time! To keep the cold air from entering my mouth, the dentists sowed my inner cheeks to my gums, which made it really hard to eat or talk. I was on Amoxyllin j(antibiotic) and Percocet (sedative/pain reliever). And like a stupid idiot, I picked up my horn 3 days after the operation and began playing "heavyweight" pieces because I knew my recital was coming up and didn't want to waste time. But the next day when I tried to pick up my horn again, my mouth felt like it had been "trashed"! I could barely play an F within the staff! So I took a week and a half off. Once I started playing again it only took me about 4 days to get back into shape. I know this story is partially irrelevant, but I just felt like sharing. :) Oh yeah, Paul Kemp has a story about his wisdom teeth experience. I wonder if he'll chime in. Also, Mike Corrigan (instrument tech that just relocated to Overland Park, Kansas) told me that he had 3 wisdom teeth pulled, but had to let one of them stay in because it was sitting right on top of a nerve and did not want to risk the chance of damaging it and losing feeling on that side of his mouth. I hope this helped. john jenkins >===== Original Message From Tony Clements ===== >Friends, > >As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >experience with this? Thanks. > >Tony Clements > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein From: "John J. Jenkins" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:24:17 -0500 To: Brass List , Tony Clements , trombone-l , tubaeuph Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth I had 4 of my wisdom teeth cutt out on December 18th of 2004. Two of them were starting to break the gum and the other were dormant right under the gum surface. The tooth that had broke the gum line gave me problems about a year ago, but the pain eventually receded. And then around the middle of November 2004 the pain returned and was even more excruciating. It got to the point of where I couldn't even play for more than 45 minutes at a time!!! And that is when I decided that it was time to have them removed. That was the best decision I've made in a long time! To keep the cold air from entering my mouth, the dentists sowed my inner cheeks to my gums, which made it really hard to eat or talk. I was on Amoxyllin j(antibiotic) and Percocet (sedative/pain reliever). And like a stupid idiot, I picked up my horn 3 days after the operation and began playing "heavyweight" pieces because I knew my recital was coming up and didn't want to waste time. But the next day when I tried to pick up my horn again, my mouth felt like it had been "trashed"! I could barely play an F within the staff! So I took a week and a half off. Once I started playing again it only took me about 4 days to get back into shape. I know this story is partially irrelevant, but I just felt like sharing. :) Oh yeah, Paul Kemp has a story about his wisdom teeth experience. I wonder if he'll chime in. Also, Mike Corrigan (instrument tech that just relocated to Overland Park, Kansas) told me that he had 3 wisdom teeth pulled, but had to let one of them stay in because it was sitting right on top of a nerve and did not want to risk the chance of damaging it and losing feeling on that side of his mouth. I hope this helped. john jenkins >===== Original Message From Tony Clements ===== >Friends, > >As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >experience with this? Thanks. > >Tony Clements > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein From: Jeff Albert Reply-To: Jeff Albert Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:22:14 -0600 To: "thetubameister@adelphia.net" Cc: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth I was advised to have both lower wisdom teeth removed when I was 17. I was getting ready to take college auditions and didn't want to mess with it. My dentist told me the only real danger was that they might cause decay on the molars in front of them due to the way they were situated. I didn't have them out at the time. 12 years later, I had no choice and got to add a root canal on the adjacent molar on each side, as payment for my patience. Jeff On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:47:07 -0500, thetubameister@adelphia.net wrote: > Remeber - this decision is yours! > > I was strongly advised to have all 4 of mine removed. I couldn't afford it, but more importantly I was concerned about that mandibular nerve which runs beneath the lower teath on each side. I should also mention that the two left wisdom teeth were partially erupted, and one had a small cavity. > > After x-rays, it was shown that the lower left tooth was resting on the nerve, at least according to the x-ray. There was no way to see 3D if it was in front of or behind it. > > Upon constant questioning, I leadned that: > > 1) None of the teach were moving anymore. > 2) Partially erupted teach are a cavity/absess risk. > 3) Non-erupted teeth present minimal risk. > 4) There was significant risk in the lower left tooth, but it could be repaired, and orthadontically raised to a save level to remove. > > I have had one tooth pulled, the upper left. After that, nothing. I should be able to get the lower left pulled in a couple years, and it's fine right now. Nothing will be done on the right, since the risk is so low, and if something does occur, the risk is no greater then than now. > > You are in control of your therapy. Ask questions, and get the facts, and make a decision. I believe you can find some interesting and informative material in a late 80's ITG journal - one that convinced me to leave well-enough alone. > > My $.02 > > J.c.S. > ---- Tony Clements wrote: > > Friends, > > > > As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my > > wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that > > may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any > > experience with this? Thanks. > > > > Tony Clements > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com From: "David A. Schwartz" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:31:46 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Tony, The oral surgeon may offer different guidance than the dentist. Have a consultation with an oral surgeon. And have the confidence of knowing you'll heal a lot faster at age fifty than sixty. Good luck, David Tony Clements wrote: >Friends, > >As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >experience with this? Thanks. > >Tony Clements > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > From: "John J. Jenkins" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:50:17 -0500 To: "David A. Schwartz" , trombone-l Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Yeah, excuse me. I went to an oral surgeon, not a dentist. I sometimes forget that they are different... John >===== Original Message From "David A. Schwartz" ===== >Tony, > >The oral surgeon may offer different guidance than the dentist. Have a >consultation with an oral surgeon. And have the confidence of knowing >you'll heal a lot faster at age fifty than sixty. > >Good luck, >David > >Tony Clements wrote: > >>Friends, >> >>As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >>wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >>may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >>experience with this? Thanks. >> >>Tony Clements >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Trombone-l mailing list >>Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >>http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein From: Daniel Pliskin Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:12:28 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Surely, if youâre not presently in pain, you could schedule having them pulled, for some time when you can do without your mouth for a week or two. Once the pain of having them pulled is gone, youâll be able to play mid-range stuff. I suppose you should go easy on high notes, until youâve healed a bit. And while youâre in that chair, have a bit of a religious experience. Honestly, when is the last time you totally put your trust in another person. DanP From: "John J. Jenkins" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:38:15 -0500 To: Daniel Pliskin , trombone-l Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth "And while youŐre in that chair, have a bit of a religious experience. Honestly, when is the last time you totally put your trust in another person." Why wait until then? Start now! :) Faith isn't something you simply can conjure up during the time of need. It should be in action everyday, all day long. I'm not trying to preach or create a new discussion or anything. I just thought I should add my .02 cents. John p.s.- I think I've exceeded my daily posting limit... "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein From: Raymond Horton Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:10:03 -0500 To: Tony Clements Cc: , , Brass List Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Had them out in my mid-30's, no problems. Whenever I have a student have them out, after he/she recovers, I tell them they had it better than my dad. He was in WWII. He had each wisdom tooth out at a different location in the South Pacific. At one location in the Philippines, no one in the town spoke English, no one in Dad's unit spoke the local language. Dad walked through the town in pain until he found a store with a picture of a tooth hanging out front. He walked in, pointed to the tooth, the guy inside nodded, sat him down, took the tooth out, my dad paid him, and he left. Not a word spoken. Your experience will have to be better than that! Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Tony Clements wrote: >Friends, > >As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >experience with this? Thanks. > >Tony Clements > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > From: Paul Kemp Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:07:45 -0500 To: "'John J. Jenkins'" , 'Brass List' , 'Tony Clements' , 'trombone-l' , 'tubaeuph' Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Yes, I do have a story. When I arrived at Fort Gordon outside of Augusta, GA, I went to the dentist as part of the in-processing. He recommended that I have my wisdom teeth out, but they were not hurting me. I put it off for about a year and a half. The bandmaster started to mess with me towards the end of my tour of duty, and so I said to the 1st sergeant," Since you folks have made up your minds that I am no longer fit for military duty, I believe it's time to have my wisdom teeth out as I was advised to do when I arrived here." Man was the CO pissed, but there was nothing he could do about it. I had them taken out, and I had local anesthesia because I was 21 years old and I thought I was a real man, but I found that Novocain made me extremely sick to my stomach. So, there was a sergeant there who called the band and informed them that I was out of surgery, and that I was in no shape to drive back to the barracks. He told someone there to send 2 people to get me, one to drive me, and someone else to drive my car back to the barracks. The very next day, I was swollen like Alvin Chipmunk, but I didn't hurt. So, I tried to play a middle F. I have always been a very relaxed player, but I had no idea how much oral pressure there was in the mouth when you played a brass instrument. I immediately put it down and I didn't play for a week. It really hurt a lot because the air was shooting down into those sockets. It served them right, as I was the best trombone player in the band. I grew a beard, the whole 9 yards. About 5 days later, I had the stitches removed. I played a couple of days later, but had no ill effects whatsoever. I've been playing every since. Drinking hot tea is wonderful right after the surgery because the tannic acid in the tea will help to reduce the swelling considerably. No big deal---better to have them out if so advised---don't worry, you'll be able to play again. Paul D Kemp Jr. 2nd Trombone Chattanooga Symphony & Opera -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@samford.edu] On Behalf Of John J. Jenkins Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:24 PM To: Brass List; Tony Clements; trombone-l; tubaeuph Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth I had 4 of my wisdom teeth cutt out on December 18th of 2004. Two of them were starting to break the gum and the other were dormant right under the gum surface. The tooth that had broke the gum line gave me problems about a year ago, but the pain eventually receded. And then around the middle of November 2004 the pain returned and was even more excruciating. It got to the point of where I couldn't even play for more than 45 minutes at a time!!! And that is when I decided that it was time to have them removed. That was the best decision I've made in a long time! To keep the cold air from entering my mouth, the dentists sowed my inner cheeks to my gums, which made it really hard to eat or talk. I was on Amoxyllin j(antibiotic) and Percocet (sedative/pain reliever). And like a stupid idiot, I picked up my horn 3 days after the operation and began playing "heavyweight" pieces because I knew my recital was coming up and didn't want to waste time. But the next day when I tried to pick up my horn again, my mouth felt like it had been "trashed"! I could barely play an F within the staff! So I took a week and a half off. Once I started playing again it only took me about 4 days to get back into shape. I know this story is partially irrelevant, but I just felt like sharing. :) Oh yeah, Paul Kemp has a story about his wisdom teeth experience. I wonder if he'll chime in. Also, Mike Corrigan (instrument tech that just relocated to Overland Park, Kansas) told me that he had 3 wisdom teeth pulled, but had to let one of them stay in because it was sitting right on top of a nerve and did not want to risk the chance of damaging it and losing feeling on that side of his mouth. I hope this helped. john jenkins >===== Original Message From Tony Clements ===== >Friends, > >As a 50 year old tubist, my dentist is STRONGLY recommending removal of my >wisdom teeth. My greatest fear is that I will suffer some nerve damage that >may affect my playing. Is there anyone out there in brass land that has any >experience with this? Thanks. > >Tony Clements > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Chris Waage Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:26:56 -0600 To: Trombone-L , brass_list Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/21/05 The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:25 AM CST on February 21, 2004. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org From: "John J. Jenkins" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:43:49 -0500 To: "John J. Jenkins" , Brass List , Paul Kemp , Tony Clements , trombone-l , tubaeuph Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth "Drinking hot tea is wonderful right after the surgery because the tannic acid in the tea will help to reduce the swelling considerably." But make sure it isn't TOO hot! Otherwise the blood clot(s) will become dislodged due to the heat. John "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein From: Paul Kemp Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:32:59 -0500 To: "'John J. Jenkins'" , 'Brass List' , 'Tony Clements' , 'trombone-l' , 'tubaeuph' Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth Perhaps I should have said sipping hot tea. As far as the temperature is concerned, use your own common sense. Paul D Kemp Jr. 2nd Trombone Chattanooga Symphony & Opera -----Original Message----- From: John J. Jenkins [mailto:John.Joseph.Jenkins@student.Mercer.edu] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:44 AM To: John J. Jenkins; Brass List; Paul Kemp; Tony Clements; trombone-l; tubaeuph Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] Wisdom teeth "Drinking hot tea is wonderful right after the surgery because the tannic acid in the tea will help to reduce the swelling considerably." But make sure it isn't TOO hot! Otherwise the blood clot(s) will become dislodged due to the heat. John "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~ Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l