Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7 Date: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: JJ's bone on Ebay (Todd Jonz) 2. JJ's Horn? (Bill Dinwiddie) 3. Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces (Doug Moran) 4. Re: Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces (Barry Green) 5. Re: (Tom Izzo) 6. WTB: Shires straight neckpipe (eliezer aharoni) 7. Re: Independent vs dependent (eliezer aharoni) 8. Re: [Trombone-l] (Mearl Danner) 9. RE: numbers (Erik Tkal) 10. Re: [Trombone-l] (Chris Tune) 11. King Basses (Mikel K. Smith) 12. Re: King Basses (Art Triggs) 13. Re: Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces (BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com) 14. Re: King Basses (bonemstr@america.net) 15. Re: King Basses (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 16. Dear Mr. Band Leader (Bill Dinwiddie) 17. RE: JJ's Horn? (Daniel Pliskin) 18. thanks for the comments.... (DSlide13@aol.com) From: Todd Jonz Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:45:15 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: [Trombone-l] Re: JJ's bone on Ebay Ryan Miller writes: > I was just wondering if anybody else had seen this: > > http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6507673723&category=52935 Another of J.J.'s horns, an unusual Larry Minick monster described as a "conical" tenor with a 12-1/2" bell, will also be offered in the same auction: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52935&item=6507673722# -- Todd Jonz tjonz42@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:50:10 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [Trombone-l] JJ's Horn? Ryan said: I was just wondering if anybody else had seen this: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6507673723&category=52935 ************************************************************************* I don't know if this offer is genuine ot not ,but I sure would like to get ahold of one of those new-fangled 'bone stands...very convenient!! Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net From: Doug Moran Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:42:21 -0500 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces Hi Folks, I am looking for recommendations for brass quartet (2 trumpets, 2 trombones) arrangements of gospel tunes. We're playing a couple of gospel pieces with a church choir at the end of the month, and the choir director asked us about playing a postlude and prelude. The musicians are advanced players and readers. I have one piece that will work for a prelude - "It Is Well With My Soul" by Philip Bliss, arr. by Rebecca McDaniel, published by Soundforth. If you have any pieces you have played and can recommend, I would appreciate knowing what they are. Thanks. Doug Moran morand@denison.edu From: Barry Green Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:58:56 -0600 To: , Doug Moran Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces Doug, Check out www.aardworks.com these arrangements are done by a good friend of mine and they are first class in every way, more traditional than contemporary but they are extremely well written and sound great. Barry Green Nashville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Moran" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces > Hi Folks, > > I am looking for recommendations for brass quartet (2 trumpets, 2 > trombones) arrangements of gospel tunes. We're playing a couple of gospel > pieces with a church choir at the end of the month, and the choir director > asked us about playing a postlude and prelude. The musicians are advanced > players and readers. > > I have one piece that will work for a prelude - "It Is Well With My Soul" > by Philip Bliss, arr. by Rebecca McDaniel, published by Soundforth. > > If you have any pieces you have played and can recommend, I would > appreciate knowing what they are. Thanks. > > Doug Moran > morand@denison.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > From: Tom Izzo Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:26:13 -0800 (PST) To: List Trombone Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did anyone else notice that the Trombone-L counter was missing from the last two posts (re: JJ's Trb on e-bay messages)? Did the server's counter finally reach its max? Inquiring minds want to know. Tom ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From: eliezer aharoni Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:39:18 +0300 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] WTB: Shires straight neckpipe A student of mine is looking for a Shires symphony tenor trombone straight neckpipe (replacable for the F attachment unit to convert into srraight horn) please e-mail me your offers Eliezer Aharoni Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone Avilable from Hickey's (USA) Warwick, MusT (England) POB 4025, Jerusalem ISRAEL 91040 Phone ++972 2 5341333 Please avoid sending documents as attachments - we use a Macintosh computer and in some cases can not convert them. From: eliezer aharoni Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:59:35 +0300 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Independent vs dependent Hi John & listers Please realize that the difference is not in tubing length but in the ORDER of the valves. The *dependent* is a triple horn (no valve, F valve and both valves); the *independent* is a quadriple horn (no valve, F valve, 2nd valve and both valves). As such, it allows you many "shortcuts" in alternate positions. Excuse the shameless plug - all valve combinations and their advantages are explained in length in my "New Method for The Modern Bass Trombone" It's available in US from Hickey's, POB 747 ITHACA, fax 607 272 2203 E-Mail TRomboneCD@aol.com. >This might be a stoopid question, but it makes sense to me and I never fail >to learn more from you's good folks. > >Comparing an *independent* dual-rotor system with a *dependent* dual-rotor >system. > >Many *dependent* systems use a little shorty piece of tubing to gain that >B-natural that the second rotor brings us, while *independent* systems use a >longer hunk of tubing, not quite as long as, but nearly as long as the >F-rotor's tubing to gain the same note. > >The question is then this: what good does all that extra tubing do? Unless >you use the second rotor (Gb for many of us) alone, all you're doing is >carrying a mess of extra plumbing around for B-natural. However (and here's >the rub). Does that extra tubing on an independent rotor system help in >some other way? That is, when both rotors are pulled, the resultant length >is somewhat longer than on a dependent system, therefore, shouldn't the >primary tone be lower (longer tubing). > >Or mayhaps it makes no difference at all! Or the difference is not enough >to get me away from practice! Or maybe it just looks cooler to have all >that plumbing over your left shoulder! > >Thanks, list.... > > --==jb==-- > >~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= > >john burton >Bach 50B3 >Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra >South Charleston, West Virginia > > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l Eliezer Aharoni Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone Avilable from Hickey's (USA) Warwick, MusT (England) POB 4025, Jerusalem ISRAEL 91040 Phone ++972 2 5341333 Please avoid sending documents as attachments - we use a Macintosh computer and in some cases can not convert them. From: Mearl Danner Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:41 -0600 To: , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] It's a feature of the new list processor. Makes sorting on threads quite a bit easier since the numbers added by the old list processor made each subject unique. I remember a bit of grumbling about the numbers when we moved the list to Samford. Our old list processor added them whether we wanted them or not. Mearl Danner List-Owner Trombone-L >>> Tom Izzo 02/16 10:26 PM >>> Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did anyone else notice that the Trombone-L counter was missing from the last two posts (re: JJ's Trb on e-bay messages)? Did the server's counter finally reach its max? Inquiring minds want to know. Tom ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Erik Tkal Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:17:10 -0500 To: 'Tom Izzo' , 'List Trombone' Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] numbers Tom Izzo wrote: > > Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Did anyone else notice that the Trombone-L counter was missing from the last two > posts (re: JJ's Trb on e-bay messages)? > > Did the server's counter finally reach its max? > > Inquiring minds want to know. > > Tom ----------------- See Mearl's post "[TROMBONE-L:3819] TROMBONE-L Changes", we're on a new server. I for one am glad to see the counters disappear, makes groupings harder in Outlook. Erik From: Chris Tune Reply-To: Chris Tune Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0800 To: Mearl Danner , , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Just a bit of clarification. Same server. . . .Different Mail List Processor software. This one is OPEN SOURCE. Should be easier and more web-based to manage your mail settings. The more I look at open source software, the more astounded I am by its quality. This is software developed by a volunteer user/developer community, yet in some cases (e.g.GIMP--the GNU image manipulation software, which is almost as powerful as Photoshop) it is incredibly powerful and well programmed. Thanks for all your work Mearl! Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mearl Danner" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] > It's a feature of the new list processor. Makes sorting on threads quite > a bit easier since the numbers added by the old list processor made each > subject unique. > > I remember a bit of grumbling about the numbers when we moved the list > to Samford. Our old list processor added them whether we wanted them or > not. > > Mearl Danner > List-Owner Trombone-L > >>>> Tom Izzo 02/16 10:26 PM >>> > Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Did anyone else notice that the Trombone-L counter was > missing from the last two posts (re: JJ's Trb on e-bay > messages)? > > Did the server's counter finally reach its max? > > Inquiring minds want to know. > > Tom > > > > ===== > Tom Izzo > Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; > Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; > Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; > Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, > Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. > http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ > (630) 858-7832 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > From: "Mikel K. Smith" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:41:27 -0500 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] King Basses This discussion of bass bones has brought to mind something I've been curious about - did King ever make any of their basses (6B Duo Gravis, 7B or 8B) in "Silversonic" version? While we're at it, what's the opinions on a Duo Gravis as a 'crossover' bass for someone who's primarily played a 3B for 30+ years, now using both it and a 4B? My thinking is that the dependant setup would be easier for someone not terribly comfortable with a valve in the first place - my 3B is a straight horn, and on the 4B I only use the valve if the passage is slow enough for me to think about it - I'm still getting used to it. Mikel From: Art Triggs Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:19:24 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Basses Hi, As far as I recall the "6b"Duo Gravis was the only of the King Bass trombones made with a sterling silver bell ("Silversonic") I happen to think they are an excellent instrument in many repects, and if you wanted a "doublers" bass trombone it would server you well. Art Triggs From: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:21:02 EST To: , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Recommendations needed - brass quartet, gospel pieces For two trumpets and two trombones: Hosanna, Loud Hosanna (Ellacombe) Gesanguch,Wittenberg, 1784 Arranged by Kirk Bullington Copyright by BroadmanPress SEAC This is found in the Key of C in many hymnals If you get the four part arrangement, just check it wit a couple of Hymnals so see if the piano tracks with it. Good Luck. beldon wade From: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:28:56 -0500 To: "Mikel K. Smith" Cc: "TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Basses Mikel, I can confirm that teh Duo Gravis was made in sterling. Beautiful to see and play. Cannot confirm the same for 7B/8B but kind of doubt it, as my understanding of build dates would indicate that the Hnt brothers had already wreaked havoc on th eprice of silver, which is why King stopped sterling bells in about 1974. Bob Devine Roswell/Atlanta, GA Quoting "Mikel K. Smith" : > This discussion of bass bones has brought to mind something I've been > curious about - did King ever make any of their basses (6B Duo Gravis, 7B or > 8B) in "Silversonic" version? > > While we're at it, what's the opinions on a Duo Gravis as a 'crossover' bass > for someone who's primarily played a 3B for 30+ years, now using both it and > a 4B? My thinking is that the dependant setup would be easier for someone > not terribly comfortable with a valve in the first place - my 3B is a > straight horn, and on the 4B I only use the valve if the passage is slow > enough for me to think about it - I'm still getting used to it. > > Mikel > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > From: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:02:49 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] King Basses What he said... J.c.S. ---- Art Triggs wrote: > Hi, > As far as I recall the "6b"Duo Gravis was the only of the King > Bass trombones made with a sterling silver bell ("Silversonic") > I happen to think they are an excellent instrument in many > repects, and if you wanted a "doublers" bass trombone it would > server you well. > > Art Triggs > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:11:53 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [Trombone-l] Dear Mr. Band Leader This is a great one. It has been around before, but I always enjoy seeing it again. It is real? I doubt it...but given the probable lifetime of the Universe...well, maybe. The last two paragraphs are certainly more true than not. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net "Dear Mr. Band Leader: We look forward to your performance at our daughter's wedding. If you don't mind, we would like to request a few of our favorite songs. Please play these during the reception: A Keith Jarrett composition from his solo series. Please arrange it for full ensemble in the key of B but nothing in 4/4 please. Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Dance of the Maya" and please have the guitarist play John McLaughlin's solo from the live performance Nov. 16, 1972 at Chrysler Arena. My wife and I were at that show and we liked his use of polyrhythms. One of John Coltrane's duets with Pharaoh Sanders. Our guests love high register tenor saxes. We thought a little Stravinsky right after the toast would be nice. So please play "The Rite of Spring." We like a tempo of about 1/4 note = 93 and transpose it down 3 half-steps - it will be so much more appropriate for this occasion in the slightly lower register. Then for the candle lighting ceremony, please play Frank Zappa's "The Grand Wazoo." The original key of B flat, would be fine but my cousin Jeannie would like to sing the baritone sax solo in the key of D - she has kind , of a high voice. When my new son-in-law takes off the garter, please just a little of Varese's "Ionization." It's such a funny piece, we think it would go over real well. Much better than "The Stripper." And for the bride & groom's first dance, please slow things down a bit by doing Barber's "Adagio For Strings." It's so much better than "We've Only Just Begun" or the "Anniversary Waltz." When my wife and I join in the first dance, could you segue to Thelonius Monk's "Ruby, My Dear" - it's in honor of my wife's grandmother whose name was Ruby. It would mean so much to the family. Thanks for all your help. Depending on the outcome we'll certainly be happy to recommend your band to our friends. We'll have your check for the fee of $250 (minus our expenses in contacting you of $12.50) by the end of next month: we're a little short as the young lady doing the balloon arch wanted her $1,850 in advance and the DJ had to be paid up front his $2,500 as normal. Our daughter assured us that your love of music was greater than your need for money, and that you would welcome the exposure you would get from playing this wedding. Before you leave, please feel free to ask the caterer for a snack sandwich and a soda (the bottles are returnable or you can pay the deposit to the butler). Please use the back entrance to avoid disturbing the guests." From: Daniel Pliskin Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:21:07 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] JJ's Horn? > >I was just wondering if anybody else had seen this: > >http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6507673723&category=52935 > ********************************************************* >> >>I don't know if this offer is genuine ot not ,but I sure would like to get >>ahold of one of those new-fangled 'bone stands...very convenient!! >> Oh, what a senseless loss. Surely, the only reason one would want JJâs trombone would be because it still had his spit in the slide. And there they are letting it run out all over the mouthpiece. 8?) DanP From: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:52:07 -0500 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] thanks for the comments.... Thanks to everyone who replied with commentary about jazzbone.org. I have already made adjustments. For those who were interested, there are now several full length mp3's of high quality on the sounds page. In addition to cuts from records, I have included a few live gigs for perusal. Once again, thanks to all of you. If you have any additional comments to share, I'd love to read them. DG jazzbone.org _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l