Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2 Date: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@samford.edu To: Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero (Chris Tune) 2. Re: [TROMBONE-L:3929] ' list has been a l'il boring lately... (Earl Needham) 3. Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero (andy.skaggs@wachovia.com) 4. Re: Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero (Dansatt@aol.com) 5. (no subject) (Dunphy, Mike) 6. Re: (no subject) (Earl Needham) 7. Re: Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero (Raymond Horton) 8. Re: Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero (Chris Tune) 9. Re: [TROMBONE-L:3982] Brass Quintet w/Wind Ensemble repertoire? (John Monroe) 10. Concerto For Brass Quintet (John Monroe) 11. Great New Drummer (Bill Dinwiddie) From: Chris Tune Reply-To: Chris Tune Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:05:57 -0800 To: , Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero Thanks, Bob I was astounded by Roger Bobo's very clear and interesting stories about Mr. Arnoud. This is very direct information from the man who first performed this solo with Maurice Ravel conducting the work. Even though Ravel, himself, did not believe this to be extremely "profound" music, it is nonetheless, an important part of our trombone repetoire. I, too, feel this solo would go admirably on my trusty small, small bore horn, the King 2B. Too bad I did not keep my old Conn 4H. That was a straight bore .485 horn. Roger points out that the horn of the day became much brighter, faster as dynamics increased. That is my feelling about large and small bore. The REAL difference is the actual number of decibels of sound output for a given amout of edge. Bach 12--edgy at lower volume level. Bach 42--edgy at higher volume level. I blogged my feelings about it at http://christune.blogspot.com Thanks Chris Tune www.christune.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Sanders" To: "Trombone-L" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero Everyone may have seen these, but here are some links regarding Bolero: http://www.trombonebarron.com/articles.html http://www.geocities.com/jbonecampbell/jazzinfl.htm http://www.rogerbobo.com/essays/bolero.html http://www.trombone-society.org.uk/ see BolŽro Unravelled By Simon Wills in the articles secgtion http://www.djangomontreal.com/doc/DjangoStory.htm Leon Vauchant (Leo Arnaud) is refered refered to here. Bob Sanders On Feb 10, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Jeremy Buckler wrote: > I wanted to hear thoughts on how people thought the 7th measure of the > excerpt should be played, whether or not the grace note going into the > gliss from Bb to Db should be re-tongued. I have not heard a recording > where it is re tongued and was not taught to play it that way. it > seems more and more though that teachers are starting to teach it to > be re-tongued. some friends of mine auditioned at schools over the > weekend and the professor at the school had him re-tongue the Bb. > > > thoughts on either way of performing it? > > jeremy > From: Earl Needham Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:52:46 -0700 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3929] ' list has been a l'il boring lately... At 12:04 AM 2/9/2005, J & D Sellmansberger wrote: >...' time to spice it up a bit: > >http://www.thedukesofdixieland.com/videos/dod-01.wmv > >http://www.thedukesofdixieland.com/videos/dod-02.wmv > >http://www.thedukesofdixieland.com/videos/dod-03.wmv > >For you young-uns and you equipment nerds, that's Fred Assunto and his >dad, Papa Jac Assunto. Those are F. E. Olds "Super" trombones. > >Imagine: All of THAT - and without an axial flow valve! ;^0 Hey, those are some nice old films, thanks for sending them! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://kd5xb-2.no-ip.info From: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:54:54 -0500 To: Chris Tune Cc: Trombone-L Subject: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero I've been following this conversation with great interest. I have this piece coming up on Pops concert Monday, and I'll be very interested to see what the conductor's thoughts are. Unfortunately, as it's a pops, there's only one rehearsal, so I probably won't get the opportunity to try it on more than one instrument, or talk to the conductor at any length about his preferences. In the past, he's shown himself to be very knowledgable about brass equipment and the idiomatic choices involved (he's not a brass player himself). At this point I think I'll play it on a small bore horn and see if he asks for something different. As far as the gliss is concerned, I've never re-articulated the Bb, and no one has ever asked me to, but after reading some of the comments posted, I think I'll try it a couple of times before rehearsal just in case. As one person pointed out, it is what Ravel wrote, after all. Anyway, I'll post back after the concert, either with some valuable insight, or just to say, "Mission Accomplished!" '-) - Andy Skaggs From: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:30:17 EST To: , , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:17:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, crtune@adelphia.net writes: > I wanted to hear thoughts on how people thought the 7th measure of the > excerpt should be played, whether or not the grace note going into the > gliss from Bb to Db should be re-tongued. I have not heard a recording > where it is re tongued and was not taught to play it that way. it > seems more and more though that teachers are starting to teach it to > be re-tongued. some friends of mine auditioned at schools over the > weekend and the professor at the school had him re-tongue the Bb. > > > thoughts on either way of performing it? > > jeremy > I'm a bass trombone player, so my own experience with playing Bolero is very different from that of a tenor player. However, I have sat near quite a few versions of the trombone solo, and I'm always puzzled why the trombone (more often than not) is hands down the squarest, most "orchestral" version of the solo that is played in the piece. If I were to play it, I would try to emulate the saxophone as much as possible. Players practice it the "other" way for audition purposes, I suppose, but why not go for it in performance? I heard the Bolero premier story from the horse's mouth, as it were. In 1984 or 85, I went to vist my college girlfriend in her hometown of Elkin, NC. Her father was minister of music at a church in town, and had recently met an interesting old gentleman (a trombone player) who had recently moved to town. He arranged for me to go to his house and meet him. Being young and stupid, I had no idea of the experience I was about to have. We arrived at the house, and little did I know that it was the home of Leo Arnaud. It was a big, sprawling ranch sort of house out in the middle of nowhere, and was decorated with a lifetime of musical memorabilia (is that a Grammy I see on the shelf?). The old man came to meet me, and began to show me around his studio. On the wall were several diplomas from the Paris Conservatory, including trombone, composition, piano, and solfege. We talked about solfege for a minute, and he lamented how it is not taught properly (if at all) in the US. Then, he related th now-famous Bolero story to me. He said that Ravel wanted the solo to remind thelistener of a peasant woman singing while doing the wash. (Somehow, Taaaa ta ta ta ta-hee ta ta TAA ta ta-WA... doesn't conjure that picture in my mind). Then, he picked up a beautifully engraved, gold plated small bore trombone, and proceeded to play the solo for me. Being around 80 years old at the time, it was sort of a small and shaky sound, but it was dripping with style...and was unlike anything you hear today out of anyone, except maybe the Zappa rendition by Bruce Fowler. As I said, being young and stupid, and set in my ways, I remember thinking, "well, that's kind of funky, but that's not how it should go". Oh well, if I could only have that experience TODAY, I would have about 300 questions to ask him. Back then, I could only nod dumbly, and try not to look at my watch. At least I still have a faint memory of his playing, and his hospitality. So, next time you play Bolero, take a chance! Dan Satterwhite Bass Trombone, Euphonium Cimbasso, Tuba (954) 551-4609 From: "Dunphy, Mike" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:39:01 -0800 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] (no subject) unsubscribe From: Earl Needham Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:50:46 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] (no subject) At 12:39 PM 2/11/2005, Dunphy, Mike wrote: >unsubscribe Suggest you take a look at the following, included in each message on the list: List-Unsubscribe: , Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://kd5xb-2.no-ip.info From: Raymond Horton Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:25:48 -0500 To: , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero Dansatt@aol.com wrote: >... We arrived at the >house, and little did I know that it was the home of Leo Arnaud. > > Great story, Dan. Thanks for relating it. Anything else you remember about the solo? Arnaud is, of course, also remembered as the composer of "Bugler's Dream," from which the Olympic fanfare is excerpted. RBH From: Chris Tune Reply-To: Chris Tune Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:09:35 -0800 To: Raymond Horton , , Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero That qualifies Monsieur Arnaud for "Greatest Musicians You Never Knew" status. This guy is great! I'm sorry I didn't get to meet him. Next time I meet Dick Nash, I'm asking him about this guy. . . Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Horton" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3986] Re: Bolero > Dansatt@aol.com wrote: > >>... We arrived at the house, and little did I know that it was the home >>of Leo Arnaud. > Great story, Dan. Thanks for relating it. Anything else you remember > about the solo? > > Arnaud is, of course, also remembered as the composer of "Bugler's Dream," > from which the Olympic fanfare is excerpted. > RBH > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > From: John Monroe Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:34:07 -0800 To: Cc: Subject: [Trombone-l] Re: [TROMBONE-L:3982] Brass Quintet w/Wind Ensemble repertoire? Greg, Last November a quintet comprised of members from our dectet, Brazzissimo, performed the US premiere of "Concerto for Brass Quintet" by Hidas Fryges with the Contra Costa Wind Symphony (see http://ccwindsymphony.org/Fall04a.htm ). It's beautiful and was very welll received by the audience. I recommend it highly. Best Regards, John Monroe On Feb 10, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Greg Bergantz wrote: > Hey TROMBONE-L, > > My brass quintet has been invited to share a concert with a local wind > ensemble. It would be most helpful to have a listing of music written > for quintet and band, but I only know of a couple. Can anyone out > there help me out? > > I'm aware of Eric Ewazen's "Shadowcather." From the clip, it sounds > like it might work...any recommendations yay or nay from the trombone > masses? Others? > > Thanks, > > Greg Bergantz > Trombone, Oxford Street Brass and several other groups here and there > From: John Monroe Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:42:03 -0800 To: Subject: [Trombone-l] Concerto For Brass Quintet Whoops! The proper spelling of the composer's name is Hidas Frigyes. John Monroe From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:36:53 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [Trombone-l] Great New Drummer Hi Gang, I have come into the possession of a short video (about 3.37 Megabytes) of a fantastic new dummer who really is something special. The file is large enough that it may clog up some peoples' mailbox and I don't wish to do that. If you think your mail server can handle it, let me know and I will send it out to you. It will play on Realplayer and is in the .wmv format. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l