Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 299 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 299 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Trombone Jokes by "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" 2) Re: mouthpiece by John Cather 3) RE: Trombone Jokes by "Adrian Drover" 4) Jon Bohls by "Eric Edwards" 5) RE: Trombone Jokes by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 6) Canzon for Brass Quintet by Retired Prof 55 7) Bonna cases by Joshua Hauser 8) Re: case shopping, input welcome by Danielle Chollet 9) Re: case shopping, input welcome by "Charles De Paolo" 10) New Getzen Site by Joshua Brown 11) Re: New Getzen Site by "Mearl Danner" 12) RE: Trombone Jokes by "Bill Langston" 13) Re: mouthpiece by BassBonist@aol.com 14) Re: New Getzen Site by sabutin 15) Taps by "Bill Dinwiddie" 16) Re: New Getzen Site by Joshua Brown 17) Re: Taps by "Phil Burton" 18) Re: Taps and TRB Bugle by "Chris Tune" 19) Nice try on trombone jokes by "prbrass@juno.com" 20) Pending Trombone Legislation by "Emil Orth" 21) Re: Taps and TRB Bugle by "John Burton" 22) Re: Taps and TRB Bugle by "Chris Tune" 23) Re: Taps and TRB Bugle by "David A. Schwartz" From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:05:24 +0100 To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3857] RE: Trombone Jokes Sorry, I do not have time to write one, I have a gig. Ba-dum-pah! Over to you, Adrian. -----Original Message----- From: prbrass@juno.com [mailto:prbrass@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:01 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3827] Trombone Jokes I have not heard any trombone jokes for quite a while. I could have some laughs now.... Luis From: John Cather Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:41:16 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3858] Re: mouthpiece I got the flame thrower all charged up Matt! One of my old teachers, Ed Tarr, is a world class trumpet soloist and sometimes uses a screw rim mpc just for this reason. Here's the idea: As you play through a long job and your lips get tired, they will tend to protrude farther into the mpc and displacing the cup volume. As the gig goes on he will unscrew the rim a little to bring the effective cup depth back. He tests this by blowing a low "C" on trumpet and increases his volume to a blast. If the pitch raises, he needs more cup depth because the balance of cup to backbore and leadpipe is improper. This may be the theory behind the "Sarad" mpc. Cheers, John Cather > _ts2206@riverdale.rockis.k12.il.us_ > (mailto:ts2206@riverdale.rockis.k12.il.us) writes: > > in the case was a > mouthpiece that looks interesting that I am not familiar with. > > It is marked "Sarad" in script...unless the a's are o's. It appears to > have a removeable rim, and has incremental markings on it running > around > the outside of the cup. The numbers are 0,3,6,9,12 and 15. > > Does anyone know of this brand or type of mouthpiece? > > This is an "Adjustable Cup" mouthpiece. Sarad still makes them. The > idea is > that you can twist the outer part to increase or decrease the depth or > shallowness of the cup. Interesting idea but (flame proofing being > applied) > changing the volume of the mouthpiece in the cup area alone without > compensation in > the throat and backbore would result in an unbalanced mouthpiece and > yield > some less than desirable results. Although, there is quite likely a > "sweet spot" > which you will be able to find with some experimentation. Your > mileage may > vary...... > > > > Matt Varho > "Never look at the trombones, it only encourages them. " - Richard > Strauss From: Adrian Drover Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:24:12 -0000 To: , , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3859] RE: Trombone Jokes From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" > Sorry, I do not have time to write one, I have a gig. > > Ba-dum-pah! > > Over to you, Adrian. Sorry, I don't have time to play gigs. Too many viola jokes to rescore for trombone. It's a formidable task. The originals are all in alto clef. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk From: Eric Edwards Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:07:16 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3860] Jon Bohls Hi Jon, please send me an e-mail. I think I have your address wrong. Thanks Eric From: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:07:37 EST To: , , , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3861] RE: Trombone Jokes Adrian, you have discovered Cleff Hangers for Tenor Bonists. Congratulations. beldon wade ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Retired Prof 55 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:14:59 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3862] Canzon for Brass Quintet I would like to invite you to check out my "Canzon" for brass quintet. It is a three minute work influenced by the style of Gabrieli. The 4/4 sections are very imitative. The contrasting sections go into a lively 5/4 instead of the traditional 3/4 and are more homophonic. The harmonies are slightly more adventuresome than Gabrieli yet very tonal. It has been recorded by the Hartford Brass Quintet on the Emeritus label. The cost is $8 plus shipping and the difficulty is college level. You can sample this work and my other compositions and arrangements by visiting http://cooppress.hostrack.net and clicking on "compositions" then "brass". Thank you for considering my music. Sy Brandon From: Joshua Hauser Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:21:39 -0600 To: , Joshua Hauser Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3863] Bonna cases Anybody have any experience with checking a Marcus Bonna case on a plane? Josh *************************************** Joshua Hauser, Assistant Professor of Trombone Box 5045 Department of Music and Art Tennessee Technological University Cookeville, TN 38505 931/372-6086 jhauser@tntech.edu http://iweb.tntech.edu/jhauser http://www.tntech.edu/brass/trombone From: Danielle Chollet Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:22:38 -0700 To: Trombone-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3864] Re: case shopping, input welcome Thanks to all for the case input. Seems like he'll just get the BAM classic for everyday use and put that in a golf case for travel. Thanks again, Danielle From: Charles De Paolo Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:17 -0500 To: Trombone List Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3865] Re: case shopping, input welcome Hi Barry, The GIg brand bags are basically slim gigbags. They come in both leather and fabric. They'll fit anywhere a standard gig bag will fit, and owing to their narrow design, perhaps a few more. We don't carry their hard cases. To be honest, I hadn't yet seen that they made hard cases. The only hard cases I've seen that are able to be stowed overhead on an aircraft are the Bam Xlite and the Wolfpaks. Some have said the Bam Classic is slim enough to go topside as well. I have no personal experience with any model, as I've not had the misfortune of having to fly with my horn. ---Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Green To: chuck@hickeys.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [TROMBONE-L:3830] Re: case shopping, input welcome Chuck, What do you think about the Gig gig bag cases? Will they fit in the overhead bin? I'm looking to get rid of this small pro tech case for a small bore tenor, I've only had it 1 year and the slide holder (by the crook) has broken. I prefer a hard case but love the ease of carrying the soft cases. Most of the time it's in and out of my car for sessions but several times a year I travel with Larry Carlton overseas (and some usa) and as long as I can fit it in an overhead bin I've never had a problem. (Though on commuter flights I've had to gate check it: last on first off and it's been ok.) Thanks for your input. Barry Green Nashville ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Joshua Brown Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:10:04 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3866] New Getzen Site Hi all, I re-launched the Getzen site last night. It has a much different look and feel, as well as a lot of new content: http://www.getzen.com/ Let me know what you think. Josh From: Mearl Danner Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:33:32 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3867] Re: New Getzen Site And you call yourself bassboneman!! At least a 1062 on the home page rather than a BUGLE!! Seriously - loads fast, looks good and navigation's easy. A definite improvement over my last visit. Mearl >>> Joshua Brown 02/04 10:10 AM >>> Hi all, I re-launched the Getzen site last night. It has a much different look and feel, as well as a lot of new content: http://www.getzen.com/ Let me know what you think. Josh From: Bill Langston Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:51:42 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3868] RE: Trombone Jokes Best I can do: The definition of a gentleman: someone who can play trombone, but doesn't. (I believe that came from Arthur LaBar, a known horn conciliator.) --Bill Langston From: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:38:08 EST To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3869] Re: mouthpiece John Cather wrote: One of my old teachers, Ed Tarr, is a world class trumpet soloist and sometimes uses a screw rim mpc just for this reason. Here's the idea: As you play through a long job and your lips get tired, they will tend to protrude farther into the mpc and displacing the cup volume. As the gig goes on he will unscrew the rim a little to bring the effective cup depth back. He tests this by blowing a low "C" on trumpet and increases his volume to a blast. If the pitch raises, he needs more cup depth because the balance of cup to backbore and leadpipe is improper. This may be the theory behind the "Sarad" mpc. Touche`! The situation you described sounds perfectly reasonable, for any trumpet player. The mouthpiece total volume then can remain constant by compensating for the extra meat in the cup. I like the idea. As far as trombone and tuba goes: The concept I have is that if you take a mouthpiece that has the correct volume for a bass trombone and then increase one dimension, then the mouthpiece won't play as well, if the original design was right on the money to begin with. Which is why I threw in the caveat that there is a "sweet spot" on the Sarad that a player should investigate and find. On trumpet, as you pointed out, there is another consideration that is valid because there is much less room for the lips in a trumpet mouthpiece. P.S. listers, John is a world class lead Soprano Trombonist in the Mighty Moravian Trombone Choir! Matt Varho "Never look at the trombones, it only encourages them. " - Richard Strauss ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: sabutin Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:29:30 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3870] Re: New Getzen Site >Hi all, > >I re-launched the Getzen site last night. It has a much different look >and feel, as well as a lot of new content: > >http://www.getzen.com/ > >Let me know what you think. > >Josh Looks great. S. -- Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only. PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN, A WEB FORUM Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. An introduction to the site is available at or just come on over check it out at From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:07:20 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3871] Taps >From the Getzen website: "Everyday in America, approximately 1,800 World War II veterans pass away. These brave men and women risked their lives to defend the land they loved and yet as many as 75% of these heroes will not be given the honor of having Taps sounded at their funeral by a live bugler. Getzen is honored to offer buglers the American Heritage Field Trumpets. Together with Bugles Across America and several of its members, Getzen has designed an instrument specifically designed for honoring our veterans. Proudly made in America." *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Congratulations to Getzen for reminding us that many military funerals are being "played" by something other than a live bugler. That "something" is a bugle-looking device which actually has a small digital recording of "Taps" in the bell of the instrument. Any soldier, or in fact anyone at all, can push the button on one of these things and a little, tinny version of "Taps" will be played. The Department of Defense says that they cannot find enough live buglers to play the over 1800 funerals per day that are occurring. Hard to believe that, with all the high school trumpeters and out of work professional players, that there aren't enough buglers to go around. Don't our vets deserve more than the artificial version of "Taps" that is being foisted on them? Any thoughts or suggestions? Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net From: Joshua Brown Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:00:10 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3872] Re: New Getzen Site Perhaps you've noticed that my last name is Brown and not Getzen. :-) Thanks to all who have responded both on the list and privately. I'm always a little nervous when I launch a new site. You never know what people are going to think. Take care, Josh On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:33:32 -0600, Mearl Danner wrote: > And you call yourself bassboneman!! At least a 1062 on the home page > rather than a BUGLE!! > > Seriously - loads fast, looks good and navigation's easy. A definite > improvement over my last visit. > > Mearl > > >>> Joshua Brown 02/04 10:10 AM >>> > Hi all, > > I re-launched the Getzen site last night. It has a much different look > and feel, as well as a lot of new content: > > http://www.getzen.com/ > > Let me know what you think. > > Josh > > From: Phil Burton Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:03:31 -0700 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3873] Re: Taps A couple years ago, the father of a very good friend passed away, and they got the word that there was no 'Bugler' available for this retired U.S. Army Veteran, in that small town in northern Montana, (Havre, which is about 112 miles North of Great Falls) I was asked and was very proud to play Taps on my trombone for his memorial service. As far as I was concerned, it sounded much better than being played by some scrawny pinched sounding Bugle, or better yet, some damn machine. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dinwiddie" To: "List Trombone" Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3871] Taps > >From the Getzen website: > > "Everyday in America, approximately 1,800 World War II veterans pass away. > These brave men and women risked their lives to defend the land they loved > and yet as many as 75% of these heroes will not be given the honor of > having Taps sounded at their funeral by a live bugler. > Getzen is honored to offer buglers the American Heritage Field Trumpets. > Together with Bugles Across America and several of its members, Getzen has > designed an instrument specifically designed for honoring our veterans. > Proudly made in America." > > *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > Congratulations to Getzen for reminding us that many military funerals are > being "played" by something other than a live bugler. That "something" is > a bugle-looking device which actually has a small digital recording of > "Taps" in the bell of the instrument. Any soldier, or in fact anyone at > all, can push the button on one of these things and a little, tinny > version of "Taps" will be played. The Department of Defense says that they > cannot find enough live buglers to play the over 1800 funerals per day > that are occurring. Hard to believe that, with all the high school > trumpeters and out of work professional players, that there aren't enough > buglers to go around. Don't our vets deserve more than the artificial > version of "Taps" that is being foisted on them? > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > Bill Dinwiddie > > billdin@comcast.net > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 From: Chris Tune Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:01:00 -0800 To: , List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3874] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle John Sandhagen was kind enough to indulge me. I asked him if he had a largely useless old trombone bell around his shop and he said: "Yes. . ." I asked him if he could make me a bugle that could receive a trombone mouthpiece and he said: "Yes. . ." We talked a bit about doing it, but he never mentioned starting the project, etc. Several months later he showed up to a gig with me and said: "Here. . .", handing me a bugle-looking axe obviously made with a small trombone bell and a bent tube of nickel. The axe did not yet have its lead pipe. John mentioned that he was going to set aside a spare Bach leadpipe out of an upcoming shipment and I'd get that soon. I did get that pipe and the horn plays just great. It winds up that the horn is pitched in Eb. This is perfect. Many have commented that the bugling is "more mellow" than other bugling they've heard. I get to bring my "Trombugle" to my son's Cub Scout meetings and events and play any one of several common bugle calls (most recently I played "Call to the Post" at the Pinewood Derby! The axe I've got is very polished sounding and would make an awe-inspiring bugle for "Taps" at a funeral. I've done "Taps" for lights out at camping. It sounds great. It's a hoot. I have always liked bugling (even as a practice device on trombone) and believe it's an entertaining way to help with flexibility. Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Burton" To: "List Trombone" Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3873] Re: Taps >A couple years ago, the father of a very good friend passed away, and they >got the word that there was no 'Bugler' available for this retired U.S. >Army Veteran, in that small town in northern Montana, (Havre, which is >about 112 miles North of Great Falls) I was asked and was very proud to >play Taps on my trombone for his memorial service. As far as I was >concerned, it sounded much better than being played by some scrawny pinched >sounding Bugle, or better yet, some damn machine. > > Phil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dinwiddie" > To: "List Trombone" > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3871] Taps > > >> >From the Getzen website: >> >> "Everyday in America, approximately 1,800 World War II veterans pass >> away. These brave men and women risked their lives to defend the land >> they loved and yet as many as 75% of these heroes will not be given the >> honor of having Taps sounded at their funeral by a live bugler. >> Getzen is honored to offer buglers the American Heritage Field Trumpets. >> Together with Bugles Across America and several of its members, Getzen >> has designed an instrument specifically designed for honoring our >> veterans. Proudly made in America." >> >> *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** >> >> Congratulations to Getzen for reminding us that many military funerals >> are being "played" by something other than a live bugler. That >> "something" is a bugle-looking device which actually has a small digital >> recording of "Taps" in the bell of the instrument. Any soldier, or in >> fact anyone at all, can push the button on one of these things and a >> little, tinny version of "Taps" will be played. The Department of Defense >> says that they cannot find enough live buglers to play the over 1800 >> funerals per day that are occurring. Hard to believe that, with all the >> high school trumpeters and out of work professional players, that there >> aren't enough buglers to go around. Don't our vets deserve more than the >> artificial version of "Taps" that is being foisted on them? >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions? >> >> Bill Dinwiddie >> >> billdin@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > From: "prbrass@juno.com" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:04 GMT To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3875] Nice try on trombone jokes Thanks for the effort so far. How about sharing those hilarious trombone jokes that I read when I first joined the list back in the mid 90's? I still remember the funny story of a soldier at a Russian military band who had his trombone crushed accidentally. He complained to his captain about it, but was told that he would have to either fix or go to the front and fight (to die like the others). The soldier chose to live by using a wood stick and a hammer to get the crushed thing back together. How about sharing an anecdote such as a a musician realizing that the trombone mute he used to hit a menacing dog now sounds better than before. Oh, the good old days..... Luis From: Emil Orth Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:06:31 -0600 To: "TROMBONE-L@server5.s" Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3876] Pending Trombone Legislation Just a little humor for the listers. EO (disregard any attachments... this is it) Subject: Pending Trombone Legislation WASHINGTON, D.C. - Each year thousands are people are killed, maimed or annoyed by trombones. The statistics of head, neck and even shoulder injuries sustained by reed players, French horn and string sections seated within reach of the deadly seventh position are truly shocking...not to mention forced early retirement due to ever-increasing hearing problems reported by classical musicians of all types who are forced to play the music of Wagner, Mahler and Brahms, as well as the hundreds of alumni of the Herman, Ferguson and Kenton bands and OKOM devotees of Kid Ory, Jack Teagarden, Abe Lincoln Jim Robinson and Lee Gifford. There is current legislation pending in Congress to restrict the sale of trombones and equip them with child-safety devices. The influential trombone lobby is, of course, opposed to this. There have even been several proposals for requiring a so-called "trigger lock" on all bass trombones! Every year there are reports of hundreds of innocent children, attracted by the shiny brass and smooth, seductive curves of an unattended instrument on a stand in the corner of a room or in an unlocked case who are traumatized for life by the attempts of a playmate to get a sound out of it, or who may suffer a collapsed lung or the effects of hyperventilation by trying the same effort themselves! The owner's feeble "I didn't know the slide was unlocked" is no excuse! Trombones should be stored out of reach of children. Efforts to enact a mandatory 10-day waiting period to purchase a trombone - which would simply allow a reasonable period of time for law enforcement officials to cross-check the purchaser's name against an International list of registered trombone offenders and Slide-O-Mix addicts, have been repeatedly thwarted by the powerful Conn-Selmer-Yamaha (CSY) lobby. Law enforcement officials are particularly alarmed over the increase in crimes involving use of the "sawed-off" trombone or "sackbut." Legislation is also pending in several progressive states, including New York and California, to make carrying a concealed alto trombone a Class A felony! Some Governors feel that there are sufficient laws already on the books that simply need stricter enforcement - such as the 1932 nation-wide ban of screw-on bells, the indiscriminate use of Pond's Cold Cream or KY Jelly and unsupervised emptying of spit valves on public property. Filthy unsanitary habit which will help spread the flu this year. One popular response to the spread of delinquent behavior is the imposition of mandatory longer sentences for those using a trombone while committing a crime ("Use a trombone - Go to jail"). Surveillance video tapes have proven especially effective in identifying violators of this statute because career criminals have often tried to avoid convictions by having their lawyers insist that what eye-witnesses reported as a trombone was really only an AK-47 or other legal assault weapon. Strict enforcement has been especially effective when used in conjunction with the new "Three sharps, you're out" statutes that have already been approved by many state legislatures. Of course the automatic and semi-automatic valved models - both piston and the middle-European rotary, are much more dangerous than the traditional single valve trombone. Interpol has also reported the sudden appearance of rear-blasting Cavalry models that were thought to have been completely eliminated during the Great Confiscation mandated by the 1918 Treaty of Versailles signed by representatives of every civilized country of the period. You may recall that those instruments were melted down and became an integral part of the Trans-Atlantic Telephone Cable that helped to unite America and Europe. It is believed that the new source of these WMD's are isolated factories in rural areas of China. The awesome destructive power of the double trigger bass trombone could never have been imagined by the founding fathers when they granted us the right to keep and bear arms. Remember: When trombones are outlawed, only outlaws will play "I'm Gettin' Sentimental Over You." ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: John Burton Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:22:37 -0500 To: 'List Trombone' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3877] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle That would count as "kewl".. I know a lot of vets organizations really look long and hard for a bugler, in fact, I've been tempted to work on my soprano 'bone to make the right kind of noise to give honor to fallen comrades. Chris, your friend might just have hit on a nifty little device that us old vets would be willing to use in honor of our fallen friends. I have this old Olds Ambassador that I was planning on turning in to a table. Think we could get measurements to turn it in to a Trombugle? ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE- > L@server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Tune > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:01 PM > To: philroymt@bigsky.net; List Trombone > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3874] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle > > John Sandhagen was kind enough to indulge me. I asked him if he had a > largely useless old trombone bell around his shop and he said: "Yes. . ." > > I asked him if he could make me a bugle that could receive a trombone > mouthpiece and he said: "Yes. . ." > > We talked a bit about doing it, but he never mentioned starting the > project, > etc. > > Several months later he showed up to a gig with me and said: "Here. . .", > handing me a bugle-looking axe obviously made with a small trombone bell > and > a bent tube of nickel. The axe did not yet have its lead pipe. John > mentioned that he was going to set aside a spare Bach leadpipe out of an > upcoming shipment and I'd get that soon. > > I did get that pipe and the horn plays just great. It winds up that the > horn is pitched in Eb. This is perfect. Many have commented that the > bugling is "more mellow" than other bugling they've heard. I get to bring > my "Trombugle" to my son's Cub Scout meetings and events and play any one > of > several common bugle calls (most recently I played "Call to the Post" at > the > Pinewood Derby! > > The axe I've got is very polished sounding and would make an awe-inspiring > bugle for "Taps" at a funeral. I've done "Taps" for lights out at camping. > It sounds great. > > It's a hoot. I have always liked bugling (even as a practice device on > trombone) and believe it's an entertaining way to help with flexibility. > > Chris Tune > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Burton" > To: "List Trombone" > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:03 PM > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3873] Re: Taps > > > >A couple years ago, the father of a very good friend passed away, and > they > >got the word that there was no 'Bugler' available for this retired U.S. > >Army Veteran, in that small town in northern Montana, (Havre, which is > >about 112 miles North of Great Falls) I was asked and was very proud to > >play Taps on my trombone for his memorial service. As far as I was > >concerned, it sounded much better than being played by some scrawny > pinched > >sounding Bugle, or better yet, some damn machine. > > > > Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dinwiddie" > > To: "List Trombone" > > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM > > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3871] Taps > > > > > >> >From the Getzen website: > >> > >> "Everyday in America, approximately 1,800 World War II veterans pass > >> away. These brave men and women risked their lives to defend the land > >> they loved and yet as many as 75% of these heroes will not be given the > >> honor of having Taps sounded at their funeral by a live bugler. > >> Getzen is honored to offer buglers the American Heritage Field > Trumpets. > >> Together with Bugles Across America and several of its members, Getzen > >> has designed an instrument specifically designed for honoring our > >> veterans. Proudly made in America." > >> > >> > ************************************************************************** > ************************************************************************** > *********************** > >> > >> Congratulations to Getzen for reminding us that many military funerals > >> are being "played" by something other than a live bugler. That > >> "something" is a bugle-looking device which actually has a small > digital > >> recording of "Taps" in the bell of the instrument. Any soldier, or in > >> fact anyone at all, can push the button on one of these things and a > >> little, tinny version of "Taps" will be played. The Department of > Defense > >> says that they cannot find enough live buglers to play the over 1800 > >> funerals per day that are occurring. Hard to believe that, with all the > >> high school trumpeters and out of work professional players, that there > >> aren't enough buglers to go around. Don't our vets deserve more than > the > >> artificial version of "Taps" that is being foisted on them? > >> > >> Any thoughts or suggestions? > >> > >> Bill Dinwiddie > >> > >> billdin@comcast.net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > > > From: Chris Tune Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:47:50 -0800 To: , 'List Trombone' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3878] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle I could ask Sandhagen for the design specs. I know the basics: The bell (slightly smaller than 7", a Getzen student horn from way back) goes back and around a crook (probably resoldered part from tuning slide just stuck onto the bell). This is 24 1/2" from Bell to the back of the crook. The crook is 4 3/4" wide and basically circular profile. There is roughly six inches of brass tubing (I don't know how wide. . .its wider than the nickel tubing) into which some nickel tubing is stuck. . .probably all the way back. . .I dunno. . . The nickel tubing extends to a point roughly 3/8 from the bell front. It rests just above the bell bead on the surface of the bell's outside cone. The bend that John heated and put into the nickel tubing (this is a shortcut. .admittedly) is about 4 1/2 wide. The tubing runs back about 27". The nickel tubing is reinforced with a cross brace from roughly eight inches down from the mouthpiece receiver over to the bell spanning about an inch and a quarter. This is one of two braces. The brace on the old tuning slide crook is still intact so there are two cross braces, one on the old tuner and one adhering the nickel "paper clip" shape to the bell section. Basically, you have a 29 1/2" long bugle which takes a trb mpce. I'm using my Giardinelli 6D in it right now. . .sorta goes well with the mellow effect that the axe achieves. Maybe someone can add all this up. I'm measuring 29" + 50" using my flexible metal tape, or about 80" from bell front to mouthpiece receiver. I don't know if anybody can compute that this = Eb length, but I'm guessing it's close. It's a great fun horn. Incidentally, if any listers know of the passing of veterans in the main Los Angeles, CA area who need bugle work at a funeral I'd be glad to do the duty. No charge. I'd have to watch my time, though. I have to take the gigs that intervene whenever they come up. Chris Tune. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Burton" To: "'List Trombone'" Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3877] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle > That would count as "kewl".. I know a lot of vets organizations really > look > long and hard for a bugler, in fact, I've been tempted to work on my > soprano > 'bone to make the right kind of noise to give honor to fallen comrades. > > Chris, your friend might just have hit on a nifty little device that us > old > vets would be willing to use in honor of our fallen friends. > > I have this old Olds Ambassador that I was planning on turning in to a > table. Think we could get measurements to turn it in to a Trombugle? > > > > ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= > > john burton > Bach 50B3 > Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra > South Charleston, West Virginia > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE- >> L@server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Tune >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:01 PM >> To: philroymt@bigsky.net; List Trombone >> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3874] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle >> >> John Sandhagen was kind enough to indulge me. I asked him if he had a >> largely useless old trombone bell around his shop and he said: "Yes. . >> ." >> >> I asked him if he could make me a bugle that could receive a trombone >> mouthpiece and he said: "Yes. . ." >> >> We talked a bit about doing it, but he never mentioned starting the >> project, >> etc. >> >> Several months later he showed up to a gig with me and said: "Here. . >> .", >> handing me a bugle-looking axe obviously made with a small trombone bell >> and >> a bent tube of nickel. The axe did not yet have its lead pipe. John >> mentioned that he was going to set aside a spare Bach leadpipe out of an >> upcoming shipment and I'd get that soon. >> >> I did get that pipe and the horn plays just great. It winds up that the >> horn is pitched in Eb. This is perfect. Many have commented that the >> bugling is "more mellow" than other bugling they've heard. I get to >> bring >> my "Trombugle" to my son's Cub Scout meetings and events and play any one >> of >> several common bugle calls (most recently I played "Call to the Post" at >> the >> Pinewood Derby! >> >> The axe I've got is very polished sounding and would make an >> awe-inspiring >> bugle for "Taps" at a funeral. I've done "Taps" for lights out at >> camping. >> It sounds great. >> >> It's a hoot. I have always liked bugling (even as a practice device on >> trombone) and believe it's an entertaining way to help with flexibility. >> >> Chris Tune >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Phil Burton" >> To: "List Trombone" >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:03 PM >> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3873] Re: Taps >> >> >> >A couple years ago, the father of a very good friend passed away, and >> they >> >got the word that there was no 'Bugler' available for this retired U.S. >> >Army Veteran, in that small town in northern Montana, (Havre, which is >> >about 112 miles North of Great Falls) I was asked and was very proud to >> >play Taps on my trombone for his memorial service. As far as I was >> >concerned, it sounded much better than being played by some scrawny >> pinched >> >sounding Bugle, or better yet, some damn machine. >> > >> > Phil >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bill Dinwiddie" >> > To: "List Trombone" >> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM >> > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3871] Taps >> > >> > >> >> >From the Getzen website: >> >> >> >> "Everyday in America, approximately 1,800 World War II veterans pass >> >> away. These brave men and women risked their lives to defend the land >> >> they loved and yet as many as 75% of these heroes will not be given >> >> the >> >> honor of having Taps sounded at their funeral by a live bugler. >> >> Getzen is honored to offer buglers the American Heritage Field >> Trumpets. >> >> Together with Bugles Across America and several of its members, Getzen >> >> has designed an instrument specifically designed for honoring our >> >> veterans. Proudly made in America." >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************** >> ************************************************************************** >> *********************** >> >> >> >> Congratulations to Getzen for reminding us that many military funerals >> >> are being "played" by something other than a live bugler. That >> >> "something" is a bugle-looking device which actually has a small >> digital >> >> recording of "Taps" in the bell of the instrument. Any soldier, or in >> >> fact anyone at all, can push the button on one of these things and a >> >> little, tinny version of "Taps" will be played. The Department of >> Defense >> >> says that they cannot find enough live buglers to play the over 1800 >> >> funerals per day that are occurring. Hard to believe that, with all >> >> the >> >> high school trumpeters and out of work professional players, that >> >> there >> >> aren't enough buglers to go around. Don't our vets deserve more than >> the >> >> artificial version of "Taps" that is being foisted on them? >> >> >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions? >> >> >> >> Bill Dinwiddie >> >> >> >> billdin@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 >> > >> > > > > From: "David A. Schwartz" Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:47:16 -0500 To: 'List Trombone' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3879] Re: Taps and TRB Bugle John Burton wrote: >... I've been tempted to work on my soprano 'bone to make the right kind of noise to give honor to fallen comrades. > As the bumper sticker says, "We're making enemies faster than we can kill them." And we're making a lot of Veterans these days. I played taps a couple of years ago for an in-law, Korean War veteran. A small family gathering. It was me or no one. So, of course, I volunteered. So few notes!. So much practice! If you ever get the opportunity, take it. Borrow a bugle. Get a big mouthpiece, like a Bach 1-1/2C. Play slow, like Barbra Streisand singing a ballad. Fix intonation by putting your left hand in the bell, like a dyslexic French horn player. Make the assembled mourner cry with your descrescendo that lasts forever. You won't regret it.