Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 295 Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 295 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Electric Hammers... by Daryl Burch 2) LCJO in Napa by Daryl Burch 3) RE: Jim Pugh CD by "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" 4) Re: LCJO in Napa by "Adrian Drover" 5) OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/31/05 by Chris Waage 6) Re: Electric Hammers... by Jeff Albert 7) Re: LCJO in Napa by "David W. Buckley" 8) Re: Fw: Trombones by "Eric Landrieu" 9) Re: Fw: Trombones by Roger Carmichael 10) Re: Fw: Trombones by Earl Needham 11) Re: LCJO in Napa by Earl Needham 12) Re: Fw: Trombones by "Eric Landrieu" 13) shameless plug by chitrbn@webtv.net (John McGrath) 14) Re: shameless plug by Gussieboy@aol.com 15) Re: shameless plug by "Erik Tkal" 16) Re: shameless plug by "John Burton" 17) Re: shameless plug by DSlide13@aol.com 18) Re: Electric Hammers... by ALEX ILES 19) Re: Electric Hammers... by Jeff Albert 20) Re: Electric Hammers... by ALEX ILES 21) Re: Electric Hammers... by "Barry J. Bocaner" 22) Re: Electric Hammers... by "Erik Tkal" 23) shameless plug by chitrbn@webtv.net (John McGrath) 24) RE: shameless plug by "Erik Tkal" 25) A good quote for the day by Chris Waage 26) Identifying Gussieboy by "Peter W. Schroth" 27) Electric Hammers, Connick, Big Phat Band by "Trombonus Rex" 28) Olds Studio Trombone by jazz_trombone@axint.net 29) Re: shameless plug by Tom Izzo 30) RE: Olds Studio Trombone by "Galen McQuarrie" From: Daryl Burch Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:22:03 -0800 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3780] Electric Hammers... Dear list... Any y'all had experience playin' on them thar newfangled 'lectric musik stan's??? PBS in my neck o' the woods was airing the Harry Connick, Jr. "Only You" concert recorded in Quebec. Performance was great, blah, blah... Blew my doors down... blah.. blah.. The reason for my post: The Electric Music Stands! The music stands were flat panel video screens. Has anyone had the distinct pleasure/displeasure of working with these systems? I'm curious to know: A. Who makes them? B. Is it one server running all the monitors? Or does each stand have its own PC/Mac? C. What program is used for the scoring? D. Is their a click synced to the music in an "bouncing ball" fashion? E. When did big bands start carrying tech nerds on the payroll? On a trombone _note_.... (Sorry!) The stage setup, I'm sure was done for looks, had mixed positioning of the players. The rhythm was out front as per usual. But the horns was all mixed up. There were bones sharing stands with tenors and trumpets splitting stands with strings. And cats & dogs living together... What's the world coming to???? It was a pretty cool setup. Don't know that it had any affect on the sound production--considering everyone was mic'd/mixed. If you have the chance to see it. It is pretty well done. At least for me, (and this will probably get me black balled) seeing any Harry Connick, Jr. performance or anything from the family Marsalis makes me want to play big band more. Any input appreciated. Regards, Daryl Burch www.radionoise.com From: Daryl Burch Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:41:43 -0800 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3781] LCJO in Napa All, Last night I had the pleasure of viewing the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra at the newly renovated Napa Valley Opera House. This is a 500-seat theater that first opened it's doors in 1880. And was a stop for the Vaudeville circuit. It went dark in the '40's. But after a 30-yr. campaign effort reopened in 2003 featuring smaller national touring acts & chamber ensembles. Some recent performances by John Pizzarelli, George Winston, Sol y Canto, Tito Puente and many others. While other performances I've seen have been great, the LCJO was the bench mark for what small theater performance should be. Every single player deserves their own recording contract. (Many of them already have them.) The reason the show was so mind blowing to me, was that there was only ONE MICROPHONE ON STAGE!! And that was just so Wynton could introduce the tunes in his soft southern drawl. These gentlemen played with utmost control. The wailing, "blow yer face off" parts were as "blow yer face off" as they needed to be, but still controlled. And the softs were softer than you've ever played--but still full, in-tune and articulated clearly. The drummer played with such finesse that you could hear every rattle of the snare. Or hear every hit of the stick on the toms cleanly. The book was made up of 4 excerpts from Benny Carter's "Kansas City Suite", a few lesser-known Ellington charts and a couple others. The point of my rant is that it has been an awful long time since I've heard ANY performer amaze me with how delicately, yet confidently the could play at very low volume. In college the director would harp on us saying "The louds won't seem that loud if you don't play the softs as soft as you can." And the venue was the perfect size for such an experience. At 500 seats, even the bad seats are still pretty d!@#$% good! It was an inspiring performance. Thanks for your time. Regards, Daryl Burch www.radionoise.com From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:04:18 +0100 To: Jeff Albert , Cc: 'Bonemaster' , 'Multiple recipients of list' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3782] RE: Jim Pugh CD Stylistically it's very easy for me to agree with Jeff. I make at least some effort to consider the way I send a message and would not give offense deliberately. However if this list gets to the point where it censors unpopular opinions, then a very bad thing has happened. I might go so far as to call it an evil thing. Of course it is easy to say you are complaining about the format of the message instead of the content, but they aren't always easy to separate, and some of us have more trouble with formatting than others. The worst thing you can do is feed a troll, and it's possible that's what we're doing, but this is not certain yet, especially since there hasn't been the normal response back. There were more polite ways of criticizing that CD yett the criticism added information missing in a simple "I liked it too" me-too post. I have always argued for decorum here, as I see this list as more akin to writing letters than to speech over a beer. I continue to think it is important. But I also would be a bit tolerant at first with a newer member. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [mailto:jeff@jeffalbert.com] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:37 To: narins@pacbell.net Cc: 'Bonemaster'; 'Multiple recipients of list' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3778] RE: Jim Pugh CD That wasn't really my original point. My point is that if you are going to express your opinion in an unproductive, rude or childish manner, then at least identify yourself, not so much to allow examination of your credentials, as much as to make you somewhat responsible for what you write. Jeff Albert From: Adrian Drover Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:31:15 -0000 To: , List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3783] Re: LCJO in Napa From: "Daryl Burch" > The reason the show was so mind blowing to me, was that there was only > ONE MICROPHONE ON STAGE!! And that was just so Wynton could introduce > the tunes in his soft southern drawl. This is news that gladdens my heart. Hope it is the beginning of a trend. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk From: Chris Waage Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:26:54 -0600 To: Trombone-L , brass_list Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3784] OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/31/05 The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:26 AM CST on January 31, 2004. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris Waage -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org From: Jeff Albert Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:33:41 -0600 To: Cc: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3785] Re: Electric Hammers... I've never used the system, but had pretty extensive conversations about it with friends that are on the band. As I recall: > > > A. Who makes them? They are custom. Harry actually got a patent for part of the system. > B. Is it one server running all the monitors? Or does each stand have > its own PC/Mac? Macs, and each stand has its own, although they are networked, so Harry can change parts and upload it to each guys machine. > C. What program is used for the scoring? It's Finale, with another program on top that runs meta tools to turn pages and whatnot with simple keystrokes. > D. Is their a click synced to the music in an "bouncing ball" fashion? As I understand each guy turns his own pages, and if it looks like they are sharing stands, i am guessing that there are two monitors in each shared cluster, but I'm not sure about that. > E. When did big bands start carrying tech nerds on the payroll? When big bands started getting funded by Will and Grace. > > On a trombone _note_.... (Sorry!) > > The stage setup, I'm sure was done for looks, had mixed positioning of > the players. The rhythm was out front as per usual. But the horns was > all mixed up. There were bones sharing stands with tenors and trumpets > splitting stands with strings. And cats & dogs living together... > What's the world coming to???? > > It was a pretty cool setup. Don't know that it had any affect on the > sound production--considering everyone was mic'd/mixed. > > If you have the chance to see it. It is pretty well done. At least for > me, (and this will probably get me black balled) seeing any Harry > Connick, Jr. performance or anything from the family Marsalis makes me > want to play big band more. > > Any input appreciated. > > Regards, > Daryl Burch > www.radionoise.com > > > > > -- Jeff Albert P.O. Box 8645 Mandeville, LA 70470 (504) 782-5835 www.jeffalbert.com jeff@jeffalbert.com From: "David W. Buckley" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:49:27 -0500 To: , List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3786] Re: LCJO in Napa Maybe at last jazz bands will learn not to mike everything so the audience hears a real sound not an over amplified electronic mish mash. Jazz musicians are amazing but listening to live jazz is mostly an assault on the ears. My pet peeve. Dave Buckley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Burch" To: "List Trombone" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:41 AM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3781] LCJO in Napa > All, > Last night I had the pleasure of viewing the Lincoln Center Jazz > Orchestra at the newly renovated Napa Valley Opera House. This is a > 500-seat theater that first opened it's doors in 1880. And was a stop > for the Vaudeville circuit. It went dark in the '40's. But after a > 30-yr. campaign effort reopened in 2003 featuring smaller national > touring acts & chamber ensembles. Some recent performances by John > Pizzarelli, George Winston, Sol y Canto, Tito Puente and many others. > > While other performances I've seen have been great, the LCJO was the > bench mark for what small theater performance should be. Every single > player deserves their own recording contract. (Many of them already > have them.) > > The reason the show was so mind blowing to me, was that there was only > ONE MICROPHONE ON STAGE!! And that was just so Wynton could introduce > the tunes in his soft southern drawl. > > These gentlemen played with utmost control. The wailing, "blow yer face > off" parts were as "blow yer face off" as they needed to be, but still > controlled. And the softs were softer than you've ever played--but > still full, in-tune and articulated clearly. The drummer played with > such finesse that you could hear every rattle of the snare. Or hear > every hit of the stick on the toms cleanly. > > The book was made up of 4 excerpts from Benny Carter's "Kansas City > Suite", a few lesser-known Ellington charts and a couple others. > > The point of my rant is that it has been an awful long time since I've > heard ANY performer amaze me with how delicately, yet confidently the > could play at very low volume. In college the director would harp on us > saying "The louds won't seem that loud if you don't play the softs as > soft as you can." > > And the venue was the perfect size for such an experience. At 500 > seats, even the bad seats are still pretty d!@#$% good! > > It was an inspiring performance. > > Thanks for your time. > > Regards, > Daryl Burch > www.radionoise.com > From: Eric Landrieu Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) To: Trombone-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3787] Re: Fw: Trombones I know that the clip of Bones Apart doing Stars & Stripes Forever from the ITF a few years back was making a big splash on the TubaEuph group for the past few weeks. I would guess that is what was there (I know the guy who had been hosting it took it off a couple of days ago because it was so popular that it ate up his bandwidth allotment). Eric Landrieu On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:56:14 -0800, Larry White wrote: >I couldn't get the link to work! >LJ > >Pat McFarland wrote: > >>A tuba-playing friend just sent me this. Anybody know who they are? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: David Staron >>To: McFarland Pat ; Kilmer James >>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:21 PM >>Subject: Fw: Trombones >> >> >>This is worth the down load guys >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Dave Jacobson >>To: David Jacobson >>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:26 AM >>Subject: Trombones >> >> >>Wow! Listen to this >> >>http://www.gemas.us/bones01_1.wmv >> >> >>: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >>: plaintext.pl : >>: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >>: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >>: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >>: All rights reserved. : >>............................................................ >> >> >> > From: Roger Carmichael Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:29:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: Eric Landrieu , Trombone-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3788] Re: Fw: Trombones The Bones Apart CD which has SASF on it,"No More Blues" is available from Hickeys. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Landrieu Sent: Jan 31, 2005 10:54 AM To: Trombone-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3787] Re: Fw: Trombones I know that the clip of Bones Apart doing Stars & Stripes Forever from the ITF a few years back was making a big splash on the TubaEuph group for the past few weeks. I would guess that is what was there (I know the guy who had been hosting it took it off a couple of days ago because it was so popular that it ate up his bandwidth allotment). Eric Landrieu On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:56:14 -0800, Larry White wrote: >I couldn't get the link to work! >LJ > >Pat McFarland wrote: > >>A tuba-playing friend just sent me this. Anybody know who they are? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: David Staron >>To: McFarland Pat ; Kilmer James >>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:21 PM >>Subject: Fw: Trombones >> >> >>This is worth the down load guys >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Dave Jacobson >>To: David Jacobson >>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:26 AM >>Subject: Trombones >> >> >>Wow! Listen to this >> >>http://www.gemas.us/bones01_1.wmv >> >>: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >>: plaintext.pl : >>: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >>: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >>: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >>: All rights reserved. : >>............................................................ >> >> >> > From: Earl Needham Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:35:13 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3789] Re: Fw: Trombones At 08:54 AM 1/31/2005, Eric Landrieu wrote: >I know that the clip of Bones Apart doing Stars & Stripes Forever from the >ITF a few >years back was making a big splash on the TubaEuph group for the past few >weeks. I >would guess that is what was there (I know the guy who had been hosting it >took it off a >couple of days ago because it was so popular that it ate up his bandwidth >allotment). I saved it to my hard drive... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://kd5xb-2.no-ip.info From: Earl Needham Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:36:41 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3790] Re: LCJO in Napa At 11:41 PM 1/30/2005, Daryl Burch wrote: >The reason the show was so mind blowing to me, was that there was only ONE >MICROPHONE ON STAGE!! And that was just so Wynton could introduce the >tunes in his soft southern drawl. > >These gentlemen played with utmost control. The wailing, "blow yer face >off" parts were as "blow yer face off" as they needed to be, but still >controlled. And the softs were softer than you've ever played--but still >full, in-tune and articulated clearly. The drummer played with such >finesse that you could hear every rattle of the snare. Or hear every hit >of the stick on the toms cleanly. YEAH! At least SOMEBODY is thinking about all-acoustic! Way to go LCJO!!!!!!!!!! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://kd5xb-2.no-ip.info From: Eric Landrieu Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:00:00 -0500 (EST) To: "TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu" Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3791] Re: Fw: Trombones The clip is available on the ITA website, too. Go to Festivals, and ITF2002, and look in the video page. Eric Landrieu On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:35:13 -0700, Earl Needham wrote: >At 08:54 AM 1/31/2005, Eric Landrieu wrote: >>I know that the clip of Bones Apart doing Stars & Stripes Forever from the >>ITF a few >>years back was making a big splash on the TubaEuph group for the past few >>weeks. I >>would guess that is what was there (I know the guy who had been hosting it >>took it off a >>couple of days ago because it was so popular that it ate up his bandwidth >>allotment). > > I saved it to my hard drive... > > Earl > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >http://kd5xb-2.no-ip.info > From: John McGrath Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:17:28 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3792] shameless plug The Art Sares Jazz Trombones will play at the Fort Pierce jazz festival on monday feb.7 at the civic center in Fort Pierce Florida at 7pm Art Sares is a veteran of the studios in Chicago and the show rooms of Las Vegas. The ensemble is composed of 8 trombones and 3 rhythm--all professional players in South Floeida. All arrangements played are written for the group by Connie Atkinson We will be joined by Chicago great Bill Portter as guest jazz trombone soloist. . From: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:00:56 EST To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3793] Re: shameless plug In a message dated 1/31/2005 2:22:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, chitrbn@webtv.net writes: Bill Portter as guest jazz trombone soloist. Why? ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Erik Tkal Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:04:43 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3794] Re: shameless plug Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/31/2005 2:22:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > chitrbn@webtv.net writes: > > > > Bill Portter as guest jazz trombone soloist. > > > > Why? > -------------------------- Why not? From: John Burton Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:07:42 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3795] Re: shameless plug Does he need a better reason than he signed his real name? He is wanted, was invited and accepted. What more do we need as a reason to announce someone playing at the jazz festival?? Harumph. ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE- > L@server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Gussieboy@aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:01 PM > To: chitrbn@webtv.net; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3793] Re: shameless plug > > > In a message dated 1/31/2005 2:22:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chitrbn@webtv.net writes: > > Bill Portter as guest jazz trombone soloist. > > > Why? > > : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : > : plaintext.pl : > : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : > : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : > : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : > : All rights reserved. : > ............................................................ From: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:11:36 -0500 To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3796] Re: shameless plug anyone else noticing a theme to these posts? i can understand a difference of opinion, but rude is rude. dg >>Bill ĘPortter as guest jazz trombone soloist. >>Why? From: ALEX ILES Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:25:12 -0800 To: Cc: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3797] Re: Electric Hammers... Hi Daryl, On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Daryl Burch wrote: > Dear list... > Any y'all had experience playin' on them thar newfangled 'lectric > musik stan's??? Yes. > > PBS in my neck o' the woods was airing the Harry Connick, Jr. "Only > You" concert recorded in Quebec. Performance was great, blah, blah... > Blew my doors down... blah.. blah.. > > The reason for my post: The Electric Music Stands! > The music stands were flat panel video screens. Has anyone had the > distinct pleasure/displeasure of working with these systems? I'm > curious to know: > A. Who makes them? We've used the Music Pads [made by FreeHand] once in a while on Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat band. > B. Is it one server running all the monitors? Or does each stand have > its own PC/Mac? The Music Pad is like a big PDA that fits on a regular music stand. Each player runs their own screen. Easy to use for many situations. MANY but not ALL, in my opinion. > C. What program is used for the scoring? You can scan paper music, or use Finale or Sibelius files. The screen shows one page of music. You can turn the page by tapping the screen or you can hook up a foot switch which is basically a keyboard synth sustain pedal. There is a TINY delay from one screen to the other, but we all got pretty used to it and if bars rests are near the bottom of a page the turns are pretty easy. > D. Is their a click synced to the music in an "bouncing ball" fashion? Not the way we use it. As I said above, each player is responsible for his/her own needs. You can even access tools to mark/change parts, design a set order, even re-design the part to look how you might want to see it. We pass lead parts around on Gordon's band, so we have ALL the bone parts for each tune in each pad. That way, you just create the set list with the part and if someone wants to trade,it's pretty easy to do it,. even on the fly. > E. When did big bands start carrying tech nerds on the payroll? What do you think third trombone players are on most bands?? [He he!!] Those who know me know I am pretty tech-challenged in general, but all in all, I found the MusicPad system very usuable for that performing situation. If you use them on a gig where the sets or music order is pretty well laid out ahead of time they are great. Even on something like a Broadway style show [where the music needs are predictable night after night], they could work. But a dance band or a show situation where there might be last minute changes in the song order or you need to make big "pencil" cuts and changes right at the last minute...I dunno. These things were NOT a big hit with the Oscar Awards pit orchestra, for instance. Using the footswitch, I found it nice not to have to lean forward to make the page turns--great for bass players, lousy for drummers though. One other obstacle they need to work on.... Since it has an LCD screen, you have to angle the pad just right or the music is un-seeable, especially if you are on a stage with a lot of back and/or overhead lighting. It can also be hard to see if you do any standing up/staging for solis and stuff. We usually prop up something behind the screen...we have used plungers, water bottles, and even the leather bound paper music folder [how is THAT for irony!!]. They say the batteries are good for a few hours, but we usually plug them in where we'd plug stand lights. IMO, it is a system that is close to working very well for many playing situations. I do NOT work for this company, but if you would like more information about the system, you may visit.... www.freehandsystems.com Hope this helps, Daryl... Alex By the way, the Harry C band uses MAC laptops all chained together somehow. I think it works differently than the MusicPad thing. From: Jeff Albert Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:52:40 -0600 To: Cc: , List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3798] Re: Electric Hammers... That's cool. I have seen the ads for those, and have been wanting to hear from someone that has used them. They are pretty spendy aren't they? Alex, when you have used them, are they usually provided by the venue or the group? How long does it take to load one up? I guess I could just go check out their website. Jeff ALEX ILES wrote: > Hi Daryl, > On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Daryl Burch wrote: > >> Dear list... >> Any y'all had experience playin' on them thar newfangled 'lectric >> musik stan's??? > > > Yes. > >> >> PBS in my neck o' the woods was airing the Harry Connick, Jr. "Only >> You" concert recorded in Quebec. Performance was great, blah, blah... >> Blew my doors down... blah.. blah.. >> >> The reason for my post: The Electric Music Stands! >> The music stands were flat panel video screens. Has anyone had the >> distinct pleasure/displeasure of working with these systems? I'm >> curious to know: >> A. Who makes them? > > We've used the Music Pads [made by FreeHand] once in a while on Gordon > Goodwin's Big Phat band. > >> B. Is it one server running all the monitors? Or does each stand have >> its own PC/Mac? > > The Music Pad is like a big PDA that fits on a regular music stand. > Each player runs their own screen. Easy to use for many situations. > MANY but not ALL, in my opinion. > >> C. What program is used for the scoring? > > > You can scan paper music, or use Finale or Sibelius files. The screen > shows one page of music. You can turn the page by tapping the screen > or you can hook up a foot switch which is basically a keyboard synth > sustain pedal. There is a TINY delay from one screen to the other, but > we all got pretty used to it and if bars rests are near the bottom of > a page the turns are pretty easy. > >> D. Is their a click synced to the music in an "bouncing ball" fashion? > > > Not the way we use it. As I said above, each player is responsible for > his/her own needs. You can even access tools to mark/change parts, > design a set order, even re-design the part to look how you might want > to see it. We pass lead parts around on Gordon's band, so we have ALL > the bone parts for each tune in each pad. That way, you just create > the set list with the part and if someone wants to trade,it's pretty > easy to do it,. even on the fly. > >> E. When did big bands start carrying tech nerds on the payroll? > > > What do you think third trombone players are on most bands?? [He he!!] > > Those who know me know I am pretty tech-challenged in general, but all > in all, I found the MusicPad system very usuable for that performing > situation. If you use them on a gig where the sets or music order is > pretty well laid out ahead of time they are great. Even on something > like a Broadway style show [where the music needs are predictable > night after night], they could work. But a dance band or a show > situation where there might be last minute changes in the song order > or you need to make big "pencil" cuts and changes right at the last > minute...I dunno. These things were NOT a big hit with the Oscar > Awards pit orchestra, for instance. > > Using the footswitch, I found it nice not to have to lean forward to > make the page turns--great for bass players, lousy for drummers > though. One other obstacle they need to work on.... Since it has an > LCD screen, you have to angle the pad just right or the music is > un-seeable, especially if you are on a stage with a lot of back and/or > overhead lighting. It can also be hard to see if you do any standing > up/staging for solis and stuff. We usually prop up something behind > the screen...we have used plungers, water bottles, and even the > leather bound paper music folder [how is THAT for irony!!]. > > They say the batteries are good for a few hours, but we usually plug > them in where we'd plug stand lights. > > IMO, it is a system that is close to working very well for many > playing situations. I do NOT work for this company, but if you would > like more information about the system, you may visit.... > > www.freehandsystems.com > > Hope this helps, Daryl... > > Alex > > By the way, the Harry C band uses MAC laptops all chained together > somehow. I think it works differently than the MusicPad thing. > > > > > -- Jeff Albert P.O. Box 8645 Mandeville, LA 70470 (504) 782-5835 www.jeffalbert.com jeff@jeffalbert.com From: ALEX ILES Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:57:28 -0800 To: Cc: , List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3799] Re: Electric Hammers... On Jan 31, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Jeff Albert wrote: > That's cool. I have seen the ads for those, and have been wanting to > hear from someone that has used them. They are pretty spendy aren't > they? I think they're about $900-1,000 per pad, if I am not mistaken. > > Alex, when you have used them, are they usually provided by the venue > or the group? Gordon has an endorsement deal with Freehands. The guys from the company come to our "higher profile" gigs and set the stuff up. They also give the lame-o's like me lots of handholding and tech support. We still use paper-copied charts on club gigs and everything else. > How long does it take to load one up? I guess I could just go check > out their website. I think everything transfers pretty easily...just like pc to pc. Gordon has about 10 of his charts loaded up in there so far. Alex From: "Barry J. Bocaner" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:10:01 -0500 To: 'List Trombone' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3800] Re: Electric Hammers... I just saw a demo of one of these at the army band tuba/euphonium conference this weekend. Very cool stuff. > I think they're about $900-1,000 per pad, if I am not mistaken. More like 1200, I'm afraid. > I think everything transfers pretty easily...just like pc to > pc. Gordon > has about 10 of his charts loaded up in there so far. There's an application for your PC that converts scanned files, pdfs, sibelius, or finale files into a proprietary format. The files go into any old USB thumb drive which plugs into the back of the unit. You can literally keep thousands of charts on one drive. In a big string section or something like that you can do bowings on your copy and then copy them onto everyone else's drive. With a big enough thumb drive you could put your whole cherry classics CD on there for practicing. If you wanted to sit around scanning, you could have the whole arban and rochut on there, too. Pretty darn slick -- It's on my wish list. If I were to win the lottery I'd get them for my whole quartet. Drawbacks? I have a feeling battery life and keeping it charged would become an issue -- and the screen is fairly small. Barry From: Erik Tkal Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:10:11 -0500 To: 'List Trombone' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3801] Re: Electric Hammers... Alex wrote: > > By the way, the Harry C band uses MAC laptops all chained together > somehow. I think it works differently than the MusicPad thing. > ----------------------------------------------------------- At Christmas my cousin used an iBook to bring up a file of chord changes for the piano while we were noodling - it was a little cumbersome propping it up on the front panel of the upright but it did the job! :-P Of course it was hard for me to see it at the same time without my slide hitting him in the back, but it was mostly workable... Erik Tkal From: John McGrath Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:10:26 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3802] shameless plug I have just read the rude comment made regarding my post announcing that Bill portter will guest with the Art Sares Jazz Trombones. Bill has been one of the top jazz players in Chicago for many years. I am at a loss to know why gussie boy would make such a comment.-----Who is Gussieboy? Jack McGrath- Bass Trombone player Art Sares Jazz Trombones From: Erik Tkal Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:25:14 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3803] RE: shameless plug John McGrath wrote: > > I have just read the rude comment made regarding my post announcing that > Bill portter will guest with the Art Sares Jazz Trombones. Bill > has been one of the top jazz players in Chicago for many years. I am at > a loss to know why gussie boy would make such a comment.-----Who is > Gussieboy? > ---------------------------- Jack, I don't think we know who that person is, he has never identified himself, and a quick scan of his recent contributions only show snide comments replying to the posts of others. I suspect a high school student, perhaps one who is not very well versed in Netiquette, or perhaps for that matter manners and respect in general. Erik Tkal From: Chris Waage Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:34:47 -0600 To: Trombone-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3804] A good quote for the day Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org From: "Peter W. Schroth" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:55:40 -0500 To: Cc: Trombone List Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3805] Identifying Gussieboy Message [TROMBONE-L:2864] Early Elkhart Bach 12 Trombone For Sale, Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:27:45 GMT, from edneeley@juno.com includes this: "I have been asked to forward this to the list. Please respond to gussieboy@aol.com:" The above is followed by a message offering for sale a Bach 12 Trombone. 1966/1967 vintage Ser. # 94xx for $800. So, Ed, can you tell us who Gussieboy is? Peter W. Schroth * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * A portion of this post has been stripped by: * * plaintext.pl * * If the text does not appear please repost without * * the attachment * * Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) * * Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com)* * Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) * * All rights reserved. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: Trombonus Rex Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:53:02 -0800 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3806] Electric Hammers, Connick, Big Phat Band Indeed - As Jeff put up, Connick patented part of the system, it's all Finale with each musician having his own flat panel monitor (the neat kind that is (or rotates to) the a page view- rather than the traditional landscape format of most panels. They each have their own networked Mac in a big audio style road case on the side of the stage. There is one other system that you might confuse it with that was recently released which you might be confusing it with- the "Freehand Pro" - pretty neat- Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band is using them (Listlurker & Master Slushpumper extrordinare Alex Iles and fill in more here) they demo'd them at the CMEA in Minneapolis last spring. http://www.freehandsystems.com/PDF/brochure.pdf Talked to guys in both bands, and they both seem pretty neat- Connicks' system has more flexibility for a writer, as he's constantly writing on the plane, modifying arrangements, etc. and can upload new stuff at a click. (Course you could do the same with the Freehand stuff, but it's not all networked together). The Freehand IMHO, is more for the average Joe (assuming you're moderately affluent) as you load in .pdf files and other electronic parts. You can write in your own markings/etc. and customize page turns. Both are pretty keen, and should be interesting to see as they develop. $0.02 JB Jon Brummel trex@summermusic.us www.summermusic.us From: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:03:23 -0700 (MST) To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3807] Olds Studio Trombone I recently picked up an Olds Studio trombone in a music shop for an excellent price. Was the studio a professional horn like the olds recording or was it an intermediate model? MB From: Tom Izzo Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:00 -0800 (PST) To: , , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3808] Re: shameless plug --- Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: > > Why? Because. ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From: Galen McQuarrie Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:44:46 -0800 To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3809] RE: Olds Studio Trombone My understanding is that it was a professional grade trombone. slightly smaller bore than a Recording, more like an Olds Super. I believe the bell flair was nickle. I have a Recording. It was a dual bore ~.495 top .510 bottom with an 8 inch bell and a large throat. It gives a tone that is "unique" Its a lot like a King 3b. The Studio and Super were smaller about .500 bore. I welcome any corrections. I believe the price of the three horns were about the same. e.g within the "professional" range. Galen McQuarrie -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu]On Behalf Of jazz_trombone@axint.net Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:03 PM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3807] Olds Studio Trombone I recently picked up an Olds Studio trombone in a music shop for an excellent price. Was the studio a professional horn like the olds recording or was it an intermediate model? MB