Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 292 Date: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 292 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Piece for trombone and piano or trombone and band by Retired Prof 55 2) FS: Shires tuning slide by "posaune rex" 3) New Jim Pugh CD ?? by Jeff Thompson <7cuh-asb6@spamex.com> 4) RE: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by "Bill Stanley" 5) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by Gussieboy@aol.com 6) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by Jeff Albert 7) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by Gussieboy@aol.com 8) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by "Mikel K. Smith" 9) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by Steve Beck 10) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by Raymond Horton 11) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by "Charles De Paolo" 12) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by "J.c. Sherman" 13) Jim Pugh CD by "Phil Burton" 14) Re: Instrument Choices by clenthe@insightbb.com 15) Trombone Quartet and Marimba by RYAN RINGNALDA 16) Re: Instrument Choices by "Chris Tune" 17) water key problem by jimandcat@juno.com 18) Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? by "Chris Tune" From: Retired Prof 55 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:23:25 -0500 To: "TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU" Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3748] Piece for trombone and piano or trombone and band IĠd like to let you know about my new composition Ballad and Dance Variations. It comes in two versions, one for trombone and piano and the other for trombone and band. This composition was composed for Paul Compton and the University of Oklahoma Wind Ensemble. The Ballad is lyrical with long lines, rich harmonies, and the trombone part uses the high tessitura frequently. It is rhapsodic in form and has a trombone cadenza towards the end. Three variations follow that are based on motivic ideas from the Ballad. The first is in the style of a waltz, the second is a tango, and the last movement, a stomp. The duration is 12:00 and the difficulty level is advanced. You can sample this piece and my other original compositions and arrangements for trombone by visiting my web site at http://www.cooppress.hostrack.net. Follow the links to "Compositions and Arrangements" and then "trombone". Sy Brandon From: posaune rex Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:13:08 +0000 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3749] FS: Shires tuning slide For sale: Shires tenor trombone tuning slide "B" style, yellow brass a few scratches, one teeny ding $200 firm - includes s/h (new is $280+s/h) stacy werblin swerblin@hotmail.com http://remember.to/practice From: Jeff Thompson <7cuh-asb6@spamex.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:16:36 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3750] New Jim Pugh CD ?? Earlier this month, I was very lucky to see Jim Pugh perform at the IAJE in Long Beach, CA. He appear with fellow trombonist Ejiro Nakagawa with a rhythm section. The performance was not well attended, but I thought it was fantastic. E n J as they call themselves not only played great jazz solos, but their written duet passages were very tightly done indeed. There are now two E n J CDs released. I think Jim had a box of advance copies of their newest CD to sell outside the performance. I had the opportunity after the show to chat with Jim Pugh for a few minutes. I asked about Jim's next project. He told me that a recording has been done of the Shilkret concerto, originally written for Tommy Dorsey, and also Pugh's own concerto for trombone. Pugh is the soloist for both works. I recall that he said the accompaniment was by the Rochester Pops directed by Jeff Tyzik. When I asked about the record label for this eventual release he indicated it might be TNC which can be found at www.tncmusic.net This site does not mention this release as of today. If anyone has better or newer info on this, I would like to read about it here. Regards, Jeff Thompson From: Bill Stanley Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:41:02 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3751] RE: New Jim Pugh CD ?? Hi all - Jim recorded those pieces last summer with the Colorado Symphony, Jeff Tyzik conducting. They did a live concert too - 3 trombone concertos on one show - that was it, and it was amazing. Maybe a first? Bill Stanley Associate Professor of Trombone College of Music University of Colorado at Boulder http://spot.colorado.edu/~stanleyw -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Thompson Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:17 PM To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3750] New Jim Pugh CD ?? Earlier this month, I was very lucky to see Jim Pugh perform at the IAJE in Long Beach, CA. He appear with fellow trombonist Ejiro Nakagawa with a rhythm section. The performance was not well attended, but I thought it was fantastic. E n J as they call themselves not only played great jazz solos, but their written duet passages were very tightly done indeed. There are now two E n J CDs released. I think Jim had a box of advance copies of their newest CD to sell outside the performance. I had the opportunity after the show to chat with Jim Pugh for a few minutes. I asked about Jim's next project. He told me that a recording has been done of the Shilkret concerto, originally written for Tommy Dorsey, and also Pugh's own concerto for trombone. Pugh is the soloist for both works. I recall that he said the accompaniment was by the Rochester Pops directed by Jeff Tyzik. When I asked about the record label for this eventual release he indicated it might be TNC which can be found at www.tncmusic.net This site does not mention this release as of today. If anyone has better or newer info on this, I would like to read about it here. Regards, Jeff Thompson From: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:03:06 EST To: <7cuh-asb6@spamex.com>, Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3752] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, some pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone tricks bag - lots of mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The Japanese cat is worth listening to. He blows Jim away. ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Jeff Albert Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:44:24 -0600 To: Cc: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3753] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? It's nice to see that Gussieboy is continuing to present his opinions in such a diplomatic fashion. I wish I knew where to buy a Gussieboy CD. I am sure it would be great, since he feels so comfortable putting down the work of other well respected players. Please don't get on my case like I am saying it is not acceptable to talk trash about Jim Pugh's performance on a given CD. If you don't like it, that is fine, but a little respect or class in the presentation of your dislike for it would be nice. It would also be nice, if you were man enough to talk trash using your name. Jeff Albert Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: >I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, some >pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone tricks bag - lots of >mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The Japanese cat is worth >listening to. He blows Jim away. > >: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >: plaintext.pl : >: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >: All rights reserved. : >............................................................ > > > -- Jeff Albert P.O. Box 8645 Mandeville, LA 70470 (504) 782-5835 www.jeffalbert.com jeff@jeffalbert.com From: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:48:07 EST To: Cc: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3754] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? Jeff, You jumped all over me the last time I made a comment. I guess that you have some sort of an agenda. Well, that's cool. Have you listened to the CD? ...didn't think so. Jim is a friend. I just don't think that this CD represents his best. and... It is merely my own personal opinion. ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: "Mikel K. Smith" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:20:14 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3755] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? Doesn't AOL have a 'profiles' function for its customers? Maybe some (other) AOL user out there could do a little research and let us know what august presence we have in our midst. -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Jeff Albert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:44 PM To: Gussieboy@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3753] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? It's nice to see that Gussieboy is continuing to present his opinions in such a diplomatic fashion. I wish I knew where to buy a Gussieboy CD. I am sure it would be great, since he feels so comfortable putting down the work of other well respected players. Please don't get on my case like I am saying it is not acceptable to talk trash about Jim Pugh's performance on a given CD. If you don't like it, that is fine, but a little respect or class in the presentation of your dislike for it would be nice. It would also be nice, if you were man enough to talk trash using your name. Jeff Albert Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: >I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, some >pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone tricks bag - lots of >mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The Japanese cat is worth >listening to. He blows Jim away. >: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >: plaintext.pl : >: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >: All rights reserved. : >............................................................ > > > -- Jeff Albert P.O. Box 8645 Mandeville, LA 70470 (504) 782-5835 www.jeffalbert.com jeff@jeffalbert.com From: Steve Beck Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:30:55 -0500 To: Cc: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3756] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: >It is merely my own personal opinion. > > okay, now I am curious. whose personal opinion? -Steve Beck From: Raymond Horton Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:43:11 -0500 To: Cc: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3757] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? I'd rather read Gussieboy's opinion of the CD, and be done with it, than have to read read personal attacks on HIM for presenting his opinion. Just my 2 cents. RBH Jeff Albert wrote: > It's nice to see that Gussieboy is continuing to present his opinions > in such a diplomatic fashion. I wish I knew where to buy a Gussieboy > CD. I am sure it would be great, since he feels so comfortable > putting down the work of other well respected players. > > Please don't get on my case like I am saying it is not acceptable to > talk trash about Jim Pugh's performance on a given CD. If you don't > like it, that is fine, but a little respect or class in the > presentation of your dislike for it would be nice. It would also be > nice, if you were man enough to talk trash using your name. > > Jeff Albert > > Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: > >> I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, >> some pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone >> tricks bag - lots of mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The >> Japanese cat is worth listening to. He blows Jim away. >> : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >> : plaintext.pl : >> : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >> : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >> : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >> : All rights reserved. : >> ............................................................ >> >> >> > From: Charles De Paolo Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:23:12 -0500 To: Trombone List Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3758] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? Let it go folks. Yeah, Gussieboy could have been a little more PC in his opinion, but gad, that's all it is, an opinion. This is still America, yeah? That being said, I wish I know Gussie's credentials. It would lend weight (or not) to his opinion. Either way, that's all it is, an opinion. I've heard Jim Pugh play live and recorded, even played behind him a few times. Personally, I like what I hear. Haven't heard the new CD yet though. Who knows? -Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Horton To: jeff@jeffalbert.com Cc: Gussieboy@aol.com ; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3757] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? I'd rather read Gussieboy's opinion of the CD, and be done with it, than have to read read personal attacks on HIM for presenting his opinion. Just my 2 cents. RBH Jeff Albert wrote: > It's nice to see that Gussieboy is continuing to present his opinions > in such a diplomatic fashion. I wish I knew where to buy a Gussieboy > CD. I am sure it would be great, since he feels so comfortable > putting down the work of other well respected players. > > Please don't get on my case like I am saying it is not acceptable to > talk trash about Jim Pugh's performance on a given CD. If you don't > like it, that is fine, but a little respect or class in the > presentation of your dislike for it would be nice. It would also be > nice, if you were man enough to talk trash using your name. > > Jeff Albert > > Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: > >> I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, >> some pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone >> tricks bag - lots of mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The >> Japanese cat is worth listening to. He blows Jim away. >> : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >> : plaintext.pl : >> : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >> : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >> : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >> : All rights reserved. : >> ............................................................ >> >> >> > ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: "J.c. Sherman" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:30:42 -0500 To: , Cc: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3759] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? Amen! -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Raymond Horton Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:43 PM To: jeff@jeffalbert.com Cc: Gussieboy@aol.com; trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3757] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? I'd rather read Gussieboy's opinion of the CD, and be done with it, than have to read read personal attacks on HIM for presenting his opinion. Just my 2 cents. RBH Jeff Albert wrote: > It's nice to see that Gussieboy is continuing to present his opinions > in such a diplomatic fashion. I wish I knew where to buy a Gussieboy > CD. I am sure it would be great, since he feels so comfortable > putting down the work of other well respected players. > > Please don't get on my case like I am saying it is not acceptable to > talk trash about Jim Pugh's performance on a given CD. If you don't > like it, that is fine, but a little respect or class in the > presentation of your dislike for it would be nice. It would also be > nice, if you were man enough to talk trash using your name. > > Jeff Albert > > Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: > >> I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, >> some pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone >> tricks bag - lots of mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The >> : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >> : plaintext.pl : >> : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >> : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >> : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >> : All rights reserved. : >> ............................................................ >> >> >> > From: Phil Burton Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:40:30 -0700 To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3760] Jim Pugh CD And I was worried about what to mention in the morning so as to generate some activity on the list over the weekend? Phil -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 1/24/2005 From: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:01:45 +0000 To: Cc: Chris Tune Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3761] Re: Instrument Choices Dear Trb-Listers, I'd like to attempt a contribution on this thread, if I may. The 'K' bell for the 88H has been in production for a few years now. It is a 9" bell, available in the traditional Conn rose brass. Whether it is truly a King 5B bell, I do not know. I am told that the 'K' stands for 'Kofsky', as in Allen, of the Cleveland Orchestra (now retired), who was directly involved in the development. Some at Conn wanted to call it the "98H" - but that did not happen. I recorded my solo CD on it, also playing a Philadelphia Orchestra tour and some Minnesota Orchestra subscription weeks with it. I was very pleased with the bell, and found that it maintained the classic Conn tonal characteristics, with the added enhancement that it was easier to operate tastefully in fortissimo levels than the normal 8.5" bell. My orchestral colleagues - always gracious - thought it sounded fine. In my experiments, I always returned to the .547 slide. Interestingly, the larger bell combined with the 525/547 dual bore slide mentioned below puts the instrument into decided German dimensions. My quest, since playing on such a bell for that half year in 2001, is to have one on a standard wrap F-attachment with a string linkage trigger. This special order apparently takes quite some time, but I think that 2005 may be my year! I hope this adds something to the discussion. Thank you, Carl Lenthe > Speaking of "slide tubas". . .I played a very interesting axe at the NAMM: > > This was an 88H with a dual bore slide (.525/.547), which I intuited would > be just the thing for me (I LOVE the dual-bore thing). . .BUT it also had an > interesting bell. It had the King 5B bell on it. This is indicated by "K" > on the north part of the bell on the outside. It's actually a bit larger > than the normal Conn 88H bell. > > Thanks to Steve Ferguson for pointing this out to me. I didn't even realise > that it was a different bell since it was also made of the same rose brass. > It's not a very heavy bell, but it's definitely somewhat larger than the > plain 8H, 88H bell. A bonist hanging with me and I looked at the regular > 88Hs there and put them next to this one and saw about an additional 3/8 to > 1/2" in diameter. > > The horn is my new favorite symphonic horn (except that there are so many > very, very good competitors). I must admit that I'm pretty far away from my > big-bore playing days. I still have my beloved 6 1/2 AL which I used to use > at USC. I tried a few of Zig Kanstul's .547 bore horns and this Conn fared > very, very well against any other horn. Of course Getzen, Holton, Kanstul, > Bach and Conn all make very nice big bore horns. > > I also tried the beautiful new "Dave Steinmeyer" model based upon the > Holton/Leblanc "Urbie Green" model. This is another .500 bore jazz horn. > This appears to be a "tweak" of the existing Martin "Urbie" model, but may > have had considerable effort put into getting each and every playing aspect > to work for Dave. > > It is somewhat better balanced feeling than the Urbie model, and otherwise > seems to have the same features. Lightened slide, chromed neck pipe, good > construction. Both the Urbie and the Steinmeyer play very well. I thought > that the Steinmeyer was "easier" to play. The Steinmayer had Alan Kaplan and > I both really liking this horn. Kaplan feels that his Jiggs is about the > same weight, but he concedes that his Jiggs may be really light, perhaps > lighter than the regularly issued Jiggs horns being sold today. > > I think Les Benedict also liked the Steinmeyer horn, but he and I were > reminiscing so much about "YoYo" (Rosolino) that we didn't really focus on > the horn. I hope people buy this new horn because it's really a very good > horn and deserving of some attention. > > I'd be interested if any others have had any experience with this new model > 88H. It seems to me to be a wonderful horn and full of great potential as a > doubling instrument if I get more orchestral, quintet, etc. type work. Might > even be able to play at bass bone when our bass bone player can't make it > for a rehearsal. > > Chris Tune > Los Angeles, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:45 PM > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3723] Re: Instrument Choices > > > > Harrah for the astute observation, that the biggest slide tuba does not > > necessarily be the best ... > > > > > > beldon wade > > : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : > > : plaintext.pl : > > : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : > > : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : > > : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : > > : All rights reserved. : > > ............................................................ > > > From: RYAN RINGNALDA Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:02:49 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3762] Trombone Quartet and Marimba * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * A portion of this post has been stripped by: * * plaintext.pl * * If the text does not appear please repost without * * the attachment * * Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) * * Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com)* * Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) * * All rights reserved. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: Chris Tune Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:43:34 -0800 To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3763] Re: Instrument Choices Thanks. Yes, I'd have to say that the horn I played had some attributes of a very well made German style horn. I particularly liked the loud sound this horn provided. I like my FF a little on the "shredded" side. Since I'm usually concerned with how the horn "records" and I've noticed that the extreme brassiness at the point where the section is sitting, doesn't sound nearly as harsh when you get out far into the audience, or listen to a recording. Nine inches? That would put it a half inch larger than the 8 1/2 inchers on the traditional 88H. Almost not noticeable at first, but quite nice in action. Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Chris Tune" Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [TROMBONE-L:3727] Re: Instrument Choices > Dear Trb-Listers, > > I'd like to attempt a contribution on this thread, if I may. > > The 'K' bell for the 88H has been in production for a few years now. It is > a > 9" bell, available in the traditional Conn rose brass. Whether it is truly > a > King 5B bell, I do not know. I am told that the 'K' stands for 'Kofsky', > as in Allen, of the Cleveland Orchestra (now retired), who was directly > involved in the development. Some at Conn wanted to call it the "98H" - > but > that did not happen. > > I recorded my solo CD on it, also playing a Philadelphia Orchestra tour > and > some Minnesota Orchestra subscription weeks with it. I was very pleased > with > the bell, and found that it maintained the classic Conn tonal > characteristics, > with the added enhancement that it was easier to operate tastefully in > fortissimo levels than the normal 8.5" bell. My orchestral colleagues - > always > gracious - thought it sounded fine. > > In my experiments, I always returned to the .547 slide. Interestingly, the > larger bell combined with the 525/547 dual bore slide mentioned below puts > the > instrument into decided German dimensions. > > My quest, since playing on such a bell for that half year in 2001, is to > have > one on a standard wrap F-attachment with a string linkage trigger. This > special order apparently takes quite some time, but I think that 2005 may > be > my year! > > I hope this adds something to the discussion. > > Thank you, > > Carl Lenthe > > > > >> Speaking of "slide tubas". . .I played a very interesting axe at the >> NAMM: >> >> This was an 88H with a dual bore slide (.525/.547), which I intuited >> would >> be just the thing for me (I LOVE the dual-bore thing). . .BUT it also had >> an >> interesting bell. It had the King 5B bell on it. This is indicated by >> "K" >> on the north part of the bell on the outside. It's actually a bit larger >> than the normal Conn 88H bell. >> >> Thanks to Steve Ferguson for pointing this out to me. I didn't even >> realise >> that it was a different bell since it was also made of the same rose >> brass. >> It's not a very heavy bell, but it's definitely somewhat larger than the >> plain 8H, 88H bell. A bonist hanging with me and I looked at the regular >> 88Hs there and put them next to this one and saw about an additional 3/8 >> to >> 1/2" in diameter. >> >> The horn is my new favorite symphonic horn (except that there are so many >> very, very good competitors). I must admit that I'm pretty far away from >> my >> big-bore playing days. I still have my beloved 6 1/2 AL which I used to >> use >> at USC. I tried a few of Zig Kanstul's .547 bore horns and this Conn >> fared >> very, very well against any other horn. Of course Getzen, Holton, >> Kanstul, >> Bach and Conn all make very nice big bore horns. >> >> I also tried the beautiful new "Dave Steinmeyer" model based upon the >> Holton/Leblanc "Urbie Green" model. This is another .500 bore jazz horn. >> This appears to be a "tweak" of the existing Martin "Urbie" model, but >> may >> have had considerable effort put into getting each and every playing >> aspect >> to work for Dave. >> >> It is somewhat better balanced feeling than the Urbie model, and >> otherwise >> seems to have the same features. Lightened slide, chromed neck pipe, >> good >> construction. Both the Urbie and the Steinmeyer play very well. I thought >> that the Steinmeyer was "easier" to play. The Steinmayer had Alan Kaplan >> and >> I both really liking this horn. Kaplan feels that his Jiggs is about the >> same weight, but he concedes that his Jiggs may be really light, perhaps >> lighter than the regularly issued Jiggs horns being sold today. >> >> I think Les Benedict also liked the Steinmeyer horn, but he and I were >> reminiscing so much about "YoYo" (Rosolino) that we didn't really focus >> on >> the horn. I hope people buy this new horn because it's really a very good >> horn and deserving of some attention. >> >> I'd be interested if any others have had any experience with this new >> model >> 88H. It seems to me to be a wonderful horn and full of great potential >> as a >> doubling instrument if I get more orchestral, quintet, etc. type work. >> Might >> even be able to play at bass bone when our bass bone player can't make it >> for a rehearsal. >> >> Chris Tune >> Los Angeles, CA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:45 PM >> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3723] Re: Instrument Choices >> >> >> > Harrah for the astute observation, that the biggest slide tuba does not >> > necessarily be the best ... >> > >> > >> > beldon wade >> > : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >> > : plaintext.pl : >> > : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >> > : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >> > : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >> > : All rights reserved. : >> > ............................................................ >> > >> > From: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:04:08 -0800 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3764] water key problem Hi, Like to share something that happened to me this week. I have been doing some Stravinsky Concerts all week (1st and 2nd suites and the Firebird) as well as some solo recitals. Yesterday especially, (but maybe even before that), I was having a much more than usual problem getting notes above the staff to center in. Without describing every time it happened, it was like there was a new overtone series showing up, especially when trying to play forte. Well, when once when opening the water key, I noticed it felt kind of different. Half of the spring was broken, making the key move about 1 or 2 mm off center. It wasn't actually leaking (y'all know that big time fuzzy sound when that happens), just not quite sealing, especially when I played loud and high. I got it fixed and today was so so much better. Anybody else have that happen? My colleague says that has happened to him a lot. Not a bad cork, or a complete leak, just a "spitvalve malfunction". Jim Prindle San Diego, CA ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Chris Tune Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:30:44 -0800 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3765] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? I haven't heard the CD, but I gather the performing by Pugh uses a more avant-garde style. Style is a very personal thing. This is particularly true with improvisers. Jim Pugh seems to have moved more and more toward a very modern, avant garde style. I remember him from his days with Woody Herman, when he was playing with a fairly centrist big band improv style. He sounded very good! I've heard him off and on since then and he always sounds like a very well-schooled and competent player. I know he is fairly busy in studio recording in the NYC area, and consequently he is likely to be asked to perform essentially, "legit", orchestral style playing, mixed with more commercial jazzy styles most of the time. Perhaps that is why he has adopted modern "serious" art music techniques. I may not be a big fan of Roswell Rudd, Gracan Moncur, or other avant garde players, but I'm aware that their style is quite intentional and not a reflection of any inability. Sometimes they even get my "toes tapping". . .Largely, I'm not listening to this style, but those players are very well trainined. . . I think they realize, as do I, that the trombone, with its slide is a very basic, yet very powerful instrument. The more you play the thing, the more you realize that it can do almost anything. That's what makes it so much fun. Trombone is a great place for a thinking man's musician. Perhaps that's another reason why so many great arrangers were trombonists. I, myself, really feel that my heart is in music that emphasizes recognizeable melody and more traditional harmony (if augmented 13th chords are considered traditional). Basically, the modern movement moved away from me when it transitioned from the Stravinsky-styled modernism, to Schoenberg styled modernism. At some time, music seemed to be moving far too fast for its own good. And at that point, it began, to some extent, to lose the interest of the ordinary layperson. [of course, there are always exceptions, based mainly upon how MUCH of the music, uses WHAT technique--a beautiful film score might have thirty seconds of gut-wrenching twelve tonalism/music concrete, which, AMPLY supports a very horrific scene. . .then we are back to more accessible techniques. . .THIS is effective music, I believe this is the way modern, high-quality music is moving. . .using "bits" of "extreme" technique and more amounts of traditional technique] Perhaps the diplomatic way to put it is to mention that the E&J album is, in part, styled toward the "avant garde" and leave it at that. I'd say that because I respect the very hard work these musicians are putting in. Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Albert" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3753] Re: New Jim Pugh CD ?? > It's nice to see that Gussieboy is continuing to present his opinions in > such a diplomatic fashion. I wish I knew where to buy a Gussieboy CD. I > am sure it would be great, since he feels so comfortable putting down the > work of other well respected players. > > Please don't get on my case like I am saying it is not acceptable to talk > trash about Jim Pugh's performance on a given CD. If you don't like it, > that is fine, but a little respect or class in the presentation of your > dislike for it would be nice. It would also be nice, if you were man > enough to talk trash using your name. > > Jeff Albert > > Gussieboy@aol.com wrote: > >>I have the E & J CD. It really isn't worth seeking out. OK playing, some >>pitch issues and Jim Pugh likes to get into to the trombone tricks bag - >>lots of mish moshed notes that do not go anywhere. The Japanese cat is >>worth listening to. He blows Jim away. >>: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >>: plaintext.pl : >>: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >>: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >>: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >>: All rights reserved. : >>............................................................ >> >> > > -- > Jeff Albert > P.O. Box 8645 > Mandeville, LA 70470 > (504) 782-5835 > www.jeffalbert.com > jeff@jeffalbert.com > >