Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 284 Date: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 284 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) by "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" 2) Information on trombone requested by "Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP" 3) Re: Information on trombone requested by Roger Carmichael 4) RE: Information on trombone requested by "Mikel K. Smith" 5) Re: Information on trombone requested by Eric & Candice Swanson 6) Goedeke Improvisation by dajohansen@i-55.com 7) Fw: Re: Information on trombone requested by Roger Carmichael From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:01:14 +0100 To: Steve Gamble , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3632] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) Yes, it was at first, maybe even C at those temperatures. I had to go to the attic to put away the Christmas tree anyway (brrrh!) so I brought the euph down with me, set it on the bathroom floor to warm up. (This is Germany, bathroom floors are commonly heated. Very pleasant.) I played it and tuned it, played it and tuned it. Closed my eyes, played ten long tones, looked at the tuner, repeat. Honestly, I can't tell. It's an Eb 20 cents flat, or a D 30 cents sharp. Yes, I know those two tones are not the same. It feels like it slots in two different places very close to each other. Of the two the D might have the edge in tone but it's beyond my abilities to really tell. Of course I haven't played the thing in a couple of years, and the only mouthpiece I could find that fit the leadpipe was a small shank 6.5AL, so operator error may be getting in the way. Very interesting observation from Ray, thank you. I will no longer assume that series is in Eb, it is just as reasonable, maybe more reasonable, to call it D. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gamble [mailto:sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 15:16 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3629] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) Hey Tim, If you go up to your attic right now and give that note a try right away, it'll probably be a D. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:59 PM To: Raymond Horton; TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3626] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) The falset series can be in D? I didn't know that, and maybe I didn't listen closely enough. Tuba players talk about it as being in Eb, and I think I just assumed the euph series normally was as well. Tuba players actually make use of those notes, I understand, whereas euphers apparently do not. My euph is in the attic and it's cold up there, but I guess I gotta climb up and put it on a tuner and see if it's a flat Eb, a sharp D, or something else. I actually played euph a couple of years with a concert band and never knew if it had those notes or not (it was an older Besson so it probably did.) I never thought to try. Years later I acquired a Martin and while trying to lip false notes like on a trombone (impossible) I discovered that series that slots down there. Then talking to other tuba players and euphers I found it had been common knowledge, I just never asked. Still don't know why it exists, nor why some tuba/euphs have it and others don't. If you haven't tried it, it is an interesting phenomenon. Outside the slot it is about ten times harder to lip a false tone than on trombone, but within the slot it feels like a real note. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:24 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Cc: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3619] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) One point - If you mean by "the infamous Eb partial series" you are talking about what some call the "falset notes" below the first overtone, by which most Bbb tubas will have an open low Eb above the pedal Bb, I find that just about every euphonium I have tried will settle that falset note on a open D rather than an Eb. Raymond Horton, Bass Trombonist and Euphoniumist, Louisville Orchestra Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD wrote: Then of course there is the >infamous Eb partial series, present on some baritones and not on others for >reasons not explained. > From: "Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:01:22 -0500 To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3633] Information on trombone requested Greeting list, I have an associate that has acquired a trombone from his wife's uncle (long since deceased). Engraving on the bell reads "Revelation made by Frank Holton Co. Elkhorn Wis." Serial number on the bell is 92457 with a 3 about an inch above it. Bell to slide is a friction fit. Number engraved on slide is 7800. The slide appears to be in remarkably good condition (however, I have not cleaned it, nor had the opportunity to play the horn). Any information as to age, size (it is a peashooter), value would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Onofrey ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Roger Carmichael Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:46:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: , 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3634] Re: Information on trombone requested The serial number you list is not on the Holton list. Could it be something else? Holton's list jumps from 63299 to 92800, both listed as year 1927. Source: Lars Kimser's Music Trader S/N List. -----Original Message----- From: "Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP" Sent: Jan 20, 2005 9:01 AM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3633] Information on trombone requested Greeting list, I have an associate that has acquired a trombone from his wife's uncle (long since deceased). Engraving on the bell reads "Revelation made by Frank Holton Co. Elkhorn Wis." Serial number on the bell is 92457 with a 3 about an inch above it. Bell to slide is a friction fit. Number engraved on slide is 7800. The slide appears to be in remarkably good condition (however, I have not cleaned it, nor had the opportunity to play the horn). Any information as to age, size (it is a peashooter), value would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Onofrey : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: "Mikel K. Smith" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:54:18 -0500 To: , 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3635] RE: Information on trombone requested It was made in 1926. See http://web.missouri.edu/~cceric/sn/holton.html Mikel -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:01 AM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3633] Information on trombone requested Greeting list, I have an associate that has acquired a trombone from his wife's uncle (long since deceased). Engraving on the bell reads "Revelation made by Frank Holton Co. Elkhorn Wis." Serial number on the bell is 92457 with a 3 about an inch above it. Bell to slide is a friction fit. Number engraved on slide is 7800. The slide appears to be in remarkably good condition (however, I have not cleaned it, nor had the opportunity to play the horn). Any information as to age, size (it is a peashooter), value would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Onofrey : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Eric & Candice Swanson Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:40:30 -0600 To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3636] Re: Information on trombone requested Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP wrote: >Greeting list, > >I have an associate that has acquired a trombone from his wife's uncle >(long since deceased). Engraving on the bell reads "Revelation made by >Frank Holton Co. Elkhorn Wis." Serial number on the bell is 92457 with >a 3 about an inch above it. Bell to slide is a friction fit. Number >engraved on slide is 7800. > >The slide appears to be in remarkably good condition (however, I have >not cleaned it, nor had the opportunity to play the horn). > >Any information as to age, size (it is a peashooter), value would be >appreciated. > > > Rick, It should be from 1927. As far as I know, no real value except what it's worth as a trombone. No collectable value that I've ever heard of. Eric From: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0600 (CST) To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3637] Goedeke Improvisation List, I have a student looking for the Goedeke Improvisation for trombone and piano. It appears to be out of print and I'm having no luck finding it through interlibrary loan. Does anyone out there have it and would you mind parting with a copy of it? Please reply off list. Thanks. Dave Johansen From: Roger Carmichael Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:00:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: , 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3638] Fw: Re: Information on trombone requested Oops! I stand corrected. The S/N is there, I just didn't notice the listing is non-sequential. Year 1926. -----Forwarded Message----- From: Roger Carmichael Sent: Jan 20, 2005 9:46 AM To: reonofreyj@comcast.net, 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3634] Re: Information on trombone requested The serial number you list is not on the Holton list. Could it be something else? Holton's list jumps from 63299 to 92800, both listed as year 1927. Source: Lars Kimser's Music Trader S/N List. -----Original Message----- From: "Richard E. Onofrey, Jr., CLU, ChFC, CFP" Sent: Jan 20, 2005 9:01 AM To: 'Trombone-L' Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3633] Information on trombone requested Greeting list, I have an associate that has acquired a trombone from his wife's uncle (long since deceased). Engraving on the bell reads "Revelation made by Frank Holton Co. Elkhorn Wis." Serial number on the bell is 92457 with a 3 about an inch above it. Bell to slide is a friction fit. Number engraved on slide is 7800. The slide appears to be in remarkably good condition (however, I have not cleaned it, nor had the opportunity to play the horn). Any information as to age, size (it is a peashooter), value would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Onofrey : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................