Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 283 Date: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 283 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: double quintet ww/bw by Tom Izzo 2) Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) by "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" 3) Re: double quintet ww/bw by eanogmus@netvision.net.il (eliezer aharoni) 4) Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) by Raymond Horton 5) Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) by "Steve Gamble" 6) FS: TENOR TROMBONE (Small Shank) Mouthpieces by "ER @ HOME" 7) FS: CONN 30H BURKLE Tenor Trombone by "ER @ HOME" From: Tom Izzo Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:36:38 -0800 (PST) To: Cc: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3625] Re: double quintet ww/bw Hi Wes, If a flexible instrumentation is useable (not using a complete double quintet), there are several humorous pieces by P.D.Q. Bach for double trios: Flute, Oboe, Bassoon & Trumpet, Horn, Bass Trombone e.g. "Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments" etc. Tom > > ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:58:49 +0100 To: Raymond Horton , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3626] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) The falset series can be in D? I didn't know that, and maybe I didn't listen closely enough. Tuba players talk about it as being in Eb, and I think I just assumed the euph series normally was as well. Tuba players actually make use of those notes, I understand, whereas euphers apparently do not. My euph is in the attic and it's cold up there, but I guess I gotta climb up and put it on a tuner and see if it's a flat Eb, a sharp D, or something else. I actually played euph a couple of years with a concert band and never knew if it had those notes or not (it was an older Besson so it probably did.) I never thought to try. Years later I acquired a Martin and while trying to lip false notes like on a trombone (impossible) I discovered that series that slots down there. Then talking to other tuba players and euphers I found it had been common knowledge, I just never asked. Still don't know why it exists, nor why some tuba/euphs have it and others don't. If you haven't tried it, it is an interesting phenomenon. Outside the slot it is about ten times harder to lip a false tone than on trombone, but within the slot it feels like a real note. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:24 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Cc: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3619] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) One point - If you mean by "the infamous Eb partial series" you are talking about what some call the "falset notes" below the first overtone, by which most Bbb tubas will have an open low Eb above the pedal Bb, I find that just about every euphonium I have tried will settle that falset note on a open D rather than an Eb. Raymond Horton, Bass Trombonist and Euphoniumist, Louisville Orchestra Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD wrote: Then of course there is the >infamous Eb partial series, present on some baritones and not on others for >reasons not explained. > From: eliezer aharoni Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:15:50 +0300 To: Cc: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3627] Re: double quintet ww/bw - A viola player in our orchestra Michael Damian, recepient of Israel Prime Minister composition award, has written a piece for double brass quintet called "Dixtour". As well I have an adoption for two brass quintets of an arrangement of mine (originally one quintet) of Yonnie Rechter's Atur Mitzheh (Your Forehead is Decorated). This is a charming pop ballad and we have done it succesfully several times in double quintet in antiphonal setup. >Does anyone know of any double quintets (Brass and Wind) worth playing? > >Regards, > >Wes > >: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >: plaintext.pl : >: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >: All rights reserved. : >............................................................ Eliezer Aharoni Bass Trombonist, Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra Author: New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone Avilable from Hickey's (USA) Warwick, MusT (England) POB 4025, Jerusalem ISRAEL 91040 Phone ++972 2 5341333 Please avoid sending documents as attachments - we use a Macintosh computer and in some cases can not convert them. From: Raymond Horton Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:09:04 -0500 To: "Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD" Cc: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3628] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) Right, my college teacher used to say that the falset note on euphonium was Eb but was not very usable, while I find that if you give up trying to force a low Eb and let it go to D where it really wants to go, then it works. The only problem is, that isn't any help to get a low Eb on a three valve euphonium! It could help get a low B (1st and 2nd valves) on a non-compensating 4-valve euphonium in a quick passage. I can't confess that I have developed a really usable SOUND on these notes, myself, but they are most definitely present. (I don't spend much time on them, since I have two 4-valve euphoniums, one of them compensating, already. ) Raymond Horton Louisville Orchestra Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD wrote: >The falset series can be in D? > >I didn't know that, and maybe I didn't listen closely enough. Tuba players >talk about it as being in Eb, and I think I just assumed the euph series >normally was as well. Tuba players actually make use of those notes, I >understand, whereas euphers apparently do not. My euph is in the attic and >it's cold up there, but I guess I gotta climb up and put it on a tuner and >see if it's a flat Eb, a sharp D, or something else. > >I actually played euph a couple of years with a concert band and never knew >if it had those notes or not (it was an older Besson so it probably did.) I >never thought to try. Years later I acquired a Martin and while trying to >lip false notes like on a trombone (impossible) I discovered that series >that slots down there. Then talking to other tuba players and euphers I >found it had been common knowledge, I just never asked. Still don't know >why it exists, nor why some tuba/euphs have it and others don't. If you >haven't tried it, it is an interesting phenomenon. Outside the slot it is >about ten times harder to lip a false tone than on trombone, but within the >slot it feels like a real note. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:24 >To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu >Cc: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD >Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3619] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding >Baritone low register) > > > >One point - If you mean by "the infamous Eb partial series" you are >talking about what some call the "falset notes" below the first >overtone, by which most Bbb tubas will have an open low Eb above the >pedal Bb, I find that just about every euphonium I have tried will >settle that falset note on a open D rather than an Eb. > > > >Raymond Horton, >Bass Trombonist and Euphoniumist, >Louisville Orchestra > > >Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD wrote: > > Then of course there is the > > >>infamous Eb partial series, present on some baritones and not on others for >>reasons not explained. >> >> >> > > > From: Steve Gamble Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:16:06 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3629] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) Hey Tim, If you go up to your attic right now and give that note a try right away, it'll probably be a D. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:59 PM To: Raymond Horton; TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3626] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) The falset series can be in D? I didn't know that, and maybe I didn't listen closely enough. Tuba players talk about it as being in Eb, and I think I just assumed the euph series normally was as well. Tuba players actually make use of those notes, I understand, whereas euphers apparently do not. My euph is in the attic and it's cold up there, but I guess I gotta climb up and put it on a tuner and see if it's a flat Eb, a sharp D, or something else. I actually played euph a couple of years with a concert band and never knew if it had those notes or not (it was an older Besson so it probably did.) I never thought to try. Years later I acquired a Martin and while trying to lip false notes like on a trombone (impossible) I discovered that series that slots down there. Then talking to other tuba players and euphers I found it had been common knowledge, I just never asked. Still don't know why it exists, nor why some tuba/euphs have it and others don't. If you haven't tried it, it is an interesting phenomenon. Outside the slot it is about ten times harder to lip a false tone than on trombone, but within the slot it feels like a real note. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Horton [mailto:rayhorton@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:24 To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Cc: Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3619] Re: Valve alignment (was: Non-responding Baritone low register) One point - If you mean by "the infamous Eb partial series" you are talking about what some call the "falset notes" below the first overtone, by which most Bbb tubas will have an open low Eb above the pedal Bb, I find that just about every euphonium I have tried will settle that falset note on a open D rather than an Eb. Raymond Horton, Bass Trombonist and Euphoniumist, Louisville Orchestra Richardson, Timothy Mr. DAC 417 BSB DPW - ERMD wrote: Then of course there is the >infamous Eb partial series, present on some baritones and not on others for >reasons not explained. > From: "ER @ HOME" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:59:40 -0800 (PST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3630] FS: TENOR TROMBONE (Small Shank) Mouthpieces TENOR TROMBONE (Small Shank) Mouthpieces (Early) SPRING CLEANING! 1.) WARBURTON 10D GOLD Top (1" Rim/approx. VB 6.5 AL equivalent) with T6 backbore (very open). This is a great versatile mouthpiece. This setup is in very good condition. PRICE: $US 95.00 2.) WARBURTON 10S SILVER Top/T3 Backbore The Warburton 10S is a fine commerical setup. PRICE: $US 85.00 If you purchase both Warburtons as a set (they work great as a set), the price for both will be reduced to $US 160.00.! 3.) DENIS WICK 6BS GOLD Another great versatile mouthpiece in almost new condition. 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