Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 279 Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 279 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 4th valve for Olds Tuba by "J & D Sellmansberger" 2) Re: 4th valve for Olds Tuba by "Elliott Moxley" 3) Re: 4th valve for Olds Tuba by Eric & Candice Swanson 4) Humanity and the Importance of Jazz by "Bill Dinwiddie" From: J & D Sellmansberger Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:02:25 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3597] Re: 4th valve for Olds Tuba With all due respect to the knowledge of all... As I seem to recall, neither Allied nor Selmer has any of these valves left in their stock...and nothing Allied sells (with a very few quirky exceptions) is any cheaper than the manufacturers' prices - as Allied must buy all of the parts they sell FROM the manufacturers and add on a bit more for their profit. The whole "Allied" thing is "convenience"...not (particularly) "price"... ...so I would (again) suggest that you 1/ Determine (perhaps by very carefully comparing the valve casings' configurations externally) if the #4 is interchangable with (perhaps) #2 or #3...???...(if you're lucky) 2/ Wait for an Olds or Reynolds fiberglass sousaphone valve section to show up on eBay (cheap). Again, those sousaphone (at least 1-2-3) valves WILL "work" in an O-99 small-bore tuba. The ports on 1-2-3 are in exactly the same configuration on the tuba and the sousaphone, and the casings are exactly the same diameter. It's just that the cross-ports on the sousa pistons will be approximately .687" (I think...??) bore, and the cross-ports on the "real" O-99 pistons will be approximately .640" (I think...??) bore. Best regards, -Joe S. > Hi Eric, > Absolutely right on the button! I have an Olds 0-99, and the parts > are one in the same with the Bach tubas. You could got to Bach > $$$$$$$, or have the parts ordered through Allied, which would > be a little better priced. > > Jim Bermann From: Elliott Moxley Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:59:37 -0500 To: TROMBONE-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3598] Re: 4th valve for Olds Tuba I guess we're talking about older Bach tubas being the same as Olds? I seem to remember reading (somewhat recently) that all of the Bach instruments other than trumpets, (maybe cornets?) and trombones were made by Yamaha. Every "Xth" one was pulled off the line before engraving and became a Bach instrument. Is that still the case? > > > Hi Eric, > > Absolutely right on the button! I have an Olds 0-99, and the parts > > are one in the same with the Bach tubas. You could got to Bach > > $$$$$$$, or have the parts ordered through Allied, which would > > be a little better priced. > > > > Jim Bermann From: Eric & Candice Swanson Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:15:05 -0600 To: Cc: TROMBONE-L Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3599] Re: 4th valve for Olds Tuba Elliott Moxley wrote: >I guess we're talking about older Bach tubas being the same as Olds? I >seem to remember reading (somewhat recently) that all of the Bach >instruments other than trumpets, (maybe cornets?) and trombones were made >by Yamaha. > Elliot, Yes, you're right. I am talking about tubas made before 1997. From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:16:22 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3600] Humanity and the Importance of Jazz As we are close to MLK's birthday, perhaps this speech by Dr. King would be appropriate: Opening speech at the 1964 Berlin Jazz Festival by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Humanity and the Importance of Jazz "God has brought many things out of oppression. He has endowed his creatures with the capacity to create - and from this capacity has flowed the sweet songs of sorrow and joy that have allowed man to cope with his environment and many different situations. Jazz speaks for life. The Blues tell the story of life's difficulties, and if you think for a moment, you will realize that they take the hardest realities of life and put them into music, only to come out with some new hope or sense of triumph. This is triumphant music. Modern Jazz has continued in this tradition, singing the songs of a more complicated urban existence. When life itself offers no order and meaning, the musician creates an order and meaning from the sounds of the earth which flow through his instrument. It is no wonder that so much of the search for identity among American Negroes was championed by Jazz musicians. Long before the modern essayists and scholars wrote of "racial identity" as a problem for a multi-racial world, musicians were returning to their roots to affirm that which was stirring within their souls. Much of the power of our Freedom Movement in the United States has come from this music. It has strengthened us with its sweet rhythms when courage began to fail. It has calmed us with its rich harmonies when spirits were down. And now, Jazz is exported to the world. For in the particular struggle of the Negro in America there is something akin to the universal struggle of modern man. Everybody has the Blues. Everybody longs for meaning. Everybody needs to love and be loved. Everybody needs to clap hands and be happy. Everybody longs for faith. In music, especially this broad category called Jazz, there is a stepping stone towards all of these." Passed on by Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net