Subject: TROMBONE-L digest 272 Date: Sunday, January 9, 2005 12:01 AM From: Multiple recipients of list To: Multiple recipients of list TROMBONE-L Digest 272 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Trivia by philroymt@bigsky.net 2) Yet another OT. by Jim Seaman 3) Re: Memorable Melodies by Raymond Horton 4) Trombone? Huh? by BassBonist@aol.com 5) Re: Trombone? Huh? by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 6) Ice Bullets by "Bill Dinwiddie" 7) RE: w-i-d-e King 2B playing slide crook... by "Steve Gamble" 8) Franz Strauss Horn Concerto Op. 8 by "Steve Gamble" 9) Good advice by "Bill Dinwiddie" 10) Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) by Angie Brunk 11) Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) by Craig Parmerlee 12) FS: Bass Trombone Mouthpieces by "Chris Waage" 13) Re: Trombone? Huh? by Tom Izzo 14) Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) by "Chris Tune" 15) Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) by "Phil Brink" 16) Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) by "Chris Tune" 17) Out Front: CBC by "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 18) Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) by Earl Needham 19) Historie Du Soldat by Corey Kirkpatrick 20) L'Histoire du Soldat by Robert Holland From: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:01:19 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3542] Trivia My daughter sent me this link...very interesting...I did get my private pilots liscense, "SEL" back in 1971, but sadly never did direct a band. >From the ArcaMax Publishing website: What's harder to train - a band leader or a pilot? http://www.arcamax.com/cgi-bin/news/story/1016/19514/645598 From: Jim Seaman Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 03:34:08 -0500 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3543] Yet another OT. Can anybody with first hand knowledge tell me if the Audiowerk 8 card is usable on a G5 running Pro 6 and or 7? Thanks Jim From: Raymond Horton Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:26:10 -0500 To: Cc: , , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3544] Re: Memorable Melodies Phil Harris did both songs. RBH Fred Hudson wrote: >Actually Phil Harris' signature number was "That's What I Like About the >South" which caused me to believe he was from Alabama! Oh Well - Maybe he >just liked it down here >;-) > >Fred H >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:34 PM >Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3533] Re: Memorable Melodies > > > > >>So it was Phil Harris from Indiana. >> >>I remember another, Darktown Poker Club, and another Smoke, Smoke that >>Cigarette. Phil did both. >> >>Worthington, home of Fred Jewel and Phil Harris. >> >>Know where Alice Faye was from?? >> >>Trombone content. Boop Boopie Doop. >> >>beldon wade >>: An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : >>: plaintext.pl : >>: Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : >>: Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : >>: Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : >>: All rights reserved. : >>............................................................ >> >> >> > > > > From: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:47:40 EST To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3545] Trombone? Huh? Hopelessly trying to inject some trombonistic/musical thoughts into the List today: How many of you out there have ever participated in an alumni performing group? What were the plusses and outstanding memories of those get-togethers? This is a topic that is on my mind today since I will be attending my second alumni band weekend of the Cal State Fullerton, Calif. Wind Ensemble. Last January was a real kick, seeing folks that I had not had any contact with in 20+ years. Biggest surprise was that even though the majority of the band was made up of folks who don't practice/play on a regular basis it sounded very good, encouraging the organizers of the event to get up the "Class A" literature this time around. Some of the plusses were hanging with old friends and getting caught up on life, in a more genuine way than some other reunion situations, and playing good music with players who've shared the experience of playing under two leading music educators in our area and making a very satisfying rehearsing and concert experience for us all. True, there were some who sounded like they hadn't touched a mouthpiece in all the intervening years, but what was interesting to me is how much instinct can kick in even after such a long layoff from an instrument that requires regular practice. Bottom line: It's never too late to start playing again. Matt Varho "Never look at the trombones, it only encourages them. " - Richard Strauss ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:40:47 EST To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3546] Re: Trombone? Huh? Yeah, if you haven't played in a while, it is a real kick to do so. I took two long stretches out. Seven Years the first time and twenty the second. Still playing now tho, do not intend to quit until all systems go. beldon wade ............................................................ : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:07 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3547] Ice Bullets Chris Tune wrote: > Of course there is that nasty bullet lodged in his head. Ballistic > analysis can trace it to your gun, unless someone has invented > ballistically untraceable bullets. . .maybe out of high density > titanium or stainless steel. Chris Wrote: Two words: ice bullets. Saw that one on Columbo . ************************************************ Sorry guys, "Mythbusters" proved that ice bullets do not survive the exit from the muzzle of the gun. How about forcing them to stand next to a really loud drummer and electric bassist, and be forced to blow into a slippery, curved, brass pipe and try get a decent sound, let alone hear yourself. Surely no human could survive such a deadly onslaught. Bill Dinwiddie From: Steve Gamble Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:41:26 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3548] RE: w-i-d-e King 2B playing slide crook... On the subject of slides that are too narrow... I have a problem with narrow slides not because I'm a big guy but because I play with the mouthpiece off center to the left a little bit. I used to play in the middle. But I fried my chops about 25 years ago at music camp and a few years ago I finally had to change something because it just hurt too much too often. So I put the mouthpiece on a fresh spot and started practicing. When I realized, after a few months, that I had created another problem, I tried the other side of my mouth. But that didn't work very well. And then some alto playing came on the schedule and I'm thinking O crap...now what? My solution was to have my small bore mouthpieces bent about 8 degrees. It works fabulously...no change in playing characteristics at all. And it's just great not having the distraction of the horn pressing against my head or having to put the mouthpiece in a less comfortable place. When I first got serious about finding a solution, it was suggested that I widen the slide. But by bending the mouthpiece, I'm not stuck with playing one horn. And it only costs a few bucks. Bob Reeves did the work. Happy ending...things are better than ever. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu [mailto:owner-TROMBONE-L@listproc.samford.edu] On Behalf Of J & D Sellmansberger Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:58 PM To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3539] w-i-d-e King 2B playing slide crook... ...I was cleaning up, and found this item in my shop in an old hellbox. Perhaps it is of interest to someone... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3774602135 : An attachment to this post has been stripped by: : : plaintext.pl : : Original idea by Phillip Porch (ppp@theporch.com) : : Written by Stephen Modena, AB4EL (shimshon@theporch.com) : : Modifications by Mearl Danner, (jmdanner@samford.edu) : : All rights reserved. : ............................................................ From: Steve Gamble Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:51:14 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3549] Franz Strauss Horn Concerto Op. 8 Dear List, Can anyone tell me if the one trombone part to this piece is for tenor or bass? Thanks. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org From: Bill Dinwiddie Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:56:29 -0600 To: List Trombone Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3550] Good advice FW: Good adviceAs long as we are getting a little off message: Trombone players can get ripped off too, all though perhaps the thief might be a little disappointed in the the "take". Nevertheless, here is a message I received from a friend, and it finally got me motivated to scan all my credit cards, driver's license, passport, and all my important documents that ever leave the house. You can do the same thing on any copier. I like the scanner because I can keep the images on a CD in the bank as well as on paper. The phone numbers at the bottom are very important and could save you a lot of headaches! The next time you order checks, omit your first name and have only your initials and last name put on them. If someone takes your check book they will not know if you sign your checks with just your initials or your first name but your bank will know how you sign your checks. When you are writing checks to pay on your credit card accounts, DO NOT put the complete account number on the "For" or "Memo" line. Instead, just put the last four numbers. The credit card company knows the rest of the number and anyone who might be handling your check as it passes through all the check processing channels won't have access to it. Put your work phone # on your checks instead of your home phone. If you have a PO Box, use that instead of your home address. Never have your SS# printed on your checks (DUH!)... you can add it if it is necessary. But if you have it printed, anyone can get it. Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine, do both sides of each license, credit card, etc. You will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe place. I also carry a photocopy of my passport when I travel either here or abroad. We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed on us in stealing a name, address, Social Security number, credit cards, etc. Unfortunately I, as an attorney, have firsthand knowledge because my wallet was stolen last month. Within a week, the thieves ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information online, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know: We have been told we should cancel our credit cards immediately. But the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know who to call. Keep those where you can find them easily. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where it was stolen, this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important: (I never even thought to do this). Call the three national credit reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and Social Security number. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this, almost two weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them in their tracks. The numbers are: Equifax: 1-800-525-6285 Experian:(formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742 Trans Union: 1-800-680-7289 Social Security Administration (fraud line): 1-800-269-0271 We pass along jokes on the Internet; we pass along just about everything. Pass this information along. It could really help someone you care about. Thanks, Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net From: Angie Brunk Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:25:16 -0600 To: Cc: Chris Tune , , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3551] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) Sorry, that's an urban legend. Mythbusters, the ones who tested the trombone myth, tested it ...TWICE. It's just not possible to make ice bullets that will adequately penetrate human flesh. Angie On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Chris Tune wrote: > >> Of course there is that nasty bullet lodged in his head. Ballistic >> analysis can trace it to your gun, unless someone has invented >> ballistically untraceable bullets. . .maybe out of high density >> titanium or stainless steel. > > Two words: ice bullets. Saw that one on Columbo . > From: Craig Parmerlee Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:58:20 -0500 To: Angie Brunk Cc: Chris Tune , , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3552] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) Angie Brunk wrote: > Sorry, that's an urban legend. Mythbusters, the ones who tested the > trombone myth, tested it ...TWICE. It's just not possible to make ice > bullets that will adequately penetrate human flesh. > > Angie > > > On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> Chris Tune wrote: >> >>> Of course there is that nasty bullet lodged in his head. Ballistic >>> analysis can trace it to your gun, unless someone has invented >>> ballistically untraceable bullets. . .maybe out of high density >>> titanium or stainless steel. >> >> >> Two words: ice bullets. Saw that one on Columbo . >> > > > Who are you going to believe? A couple of clowns who are a product of the faux reality TV fad, and who have never actually demonstrated any credentials for doing anything other than mugging in front of cameras, or a detective who has solved some of the most difficult cases ever, and has never failed to get his man? In the battle of the teevee experts, I think I have to go with Columbo on this one. From: Chris Waage Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:44:23 -0800 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3553] FS: Bass Trombone Mouthpieces I have six mouthpieces for sale. Terms of sale are money order or PayPal preferred, price includes postage within the United States. Outside of the US, e- mail for shipping rates. 1. Holton 1-1/2G - $25 Mint condition - almost imperceptible scratches on the shank. A Bach 1-1/2G clone. 2. Schilke 60 - $35 Good condition. One minor ding on the inside of the rim, couldn't feel it on the lips. End of shank has very minor damage - easily straightened by a friendly repairman. 3. Stork 1.5S -$55 (this is the "heavy" blank model, similar to a Bach Megatone) Mint condition, minor scratches on shank from use. 4. Yamaha Doug Yeo Signature - $85 24k gold rim and inside cup. Backbore has been opened to match a Greg Black 1G. 5. Bach 1-1/4G Megatone - $55 Beautiful almost brand new mouthpiece. 6. Bach 1-1/4GM - $33 Near mint condition. -- Chris Waage, Bass Trombonist The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at trombone.org From: Tom Izzo Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:45:41 -0800 (PST) To: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3554] Re: Trombone? Huh? Matt, --- BassBonist@aol.com wrote: > Hopelessly trying to inject some > trombonistic/musical thoughts into the List > today: > > How many of you out there have ever participated in > an alumni performing > group? > What were the plusses and outstanding memories of > those get-togethers? > Noting some of the same things you did.... I've attended a few such events & if I know the quality of the alumni playing I may or may not bring the instrument for which they knew me as having played at the time we officially became alumni, e.g.: bring one of my doubles. In fact, I've attended about 10 such functions & never brought the same instrument twice. :-) The plusses are as you mentioned, esp those for whom you haven't seen in the most amount of time. Tom ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From: Chris Tune Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:17:29 -0800 To: , Angie Brunk Cc: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3555] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) Since this is mostly story telling, I guess DISCUSSING the ice-bullet is OK. Did anybody note which model trombones were demolished in the test of the "trombone myth"? I've seen it a couple of times, but they just looked like rude looking student models to me. . .I couldn't really place them. . .also, I've since decided that it would be much more fun to LAUNCH A ROCKET out of the bell of a trombone than to put an explosive device in the bell. Seems like the flare of a bell is pretty much close to a solid surface for something with explosive force. Seems right to me. The tail of a rocket is essentially directed explosive force (that's probably wrong terminology, but you get it). I'd think you could mount that rocket to the mute and then design a mute-shaped warhead, which would take out the entire area around the sound man. . .but then there would be many witnesses who would point right to the particular trombone-player as the murderer. I was thinking about the idea of a stainless steel or some other very hard and specially designed bullet and barrel system that would provide for insignificant marking of the bullet. I'm not sure such a thing even exists. If it does it's probably classified and only within reach of intelligence people. Still, from what I hear, the intelligence agencies seem to want to use biological agents to perform assassinations. Isn't that what happened to the fellow in Ukraine? He became ill after dining or drinking with some group, which included KGB-type folk. . . Even if we could infect the sound guy with some horrible fatal toxin and one that would be difficult to trace, this doesn't help us with the current concert or gig. The infected sound guy will still crank the volume for this gig. . .but he may not make it to the next one. Interestingly, some people seem to survive these nasty infections. Like the guy in Ukraine. Maybe we could have whatever we use to deal with the guy rigged up to a sound level meter, sorta like the movie with Sandra Bullock in the bus. . .when the sound level of the concert reaches a certain level then the sure fire murder is to occur. . .that way the sound guy COULD save his live by suddenly becoming more thoughtful and keeping the level down. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Parmerlee" To: "Angie Brunk" Cc: "Chris Tune" ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3552] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) > Angie Brunk wrote: > >> Sorry, that's an urban legend. Mythbusters, the ones who tested the >> trombone myth, tested it ...TWICE. It's just not possible to make ice >> bullets that will adequately penetrate human flesh. >> >> Angie >> >> >> On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >>> Chris Tune wrote: >>> >>>> Of course there is that nasty bullet lodged in his head. Ballistic >>>> analysis can trace it to your gun, unless someone has invented >>>> ballistically untraceable bullets. . .maybe out of high density >>>> titanium or stainless steel. >>> >>> >>> Two words: ice bullets. Saw that one on Columbo . >>> >> >> >> > Who are you going to believe? A couple of clowns who are a product of the > faux reality TV fad, and who have never actually demonstrated any > credentials for doing anything other than mugging in front of cameras, or > a detective who has solved some of the most difficult cases ever, and has > never failed to get his man? In the battle of the teevee experts, I think > I have to go with Columbo on this one. > > From: Phil Brink Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:18:30 -0600 To: Chris Tune , , Angie Brunk Cc: , Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3556] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) Is anybody else kinda disturbed at the tone of this latest thread? It seems to me that in view of all the death and destruction we are currently reading about... we might ease up on the assassination ideas. I know [or at least hope] that it's all in fun and blowing off steam, but sheesh! Enough is enough! Phil Brink ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Tune" To: ; "Angie Brunk" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3555] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) > Since this is mostly story telling, I guess DISCUSSING the ice-bullet is > OK. Did anybody note which model trombones were demolished in the test of > the "trombone myth"? I've seen it a couple of times, but they just looked > like rude looking student models to me. . .I couldn't really place them. . > .also, I've since decided that it would be much more fun to LAUNCH A > ROCKET out of the bell of a trombone than to put an explosive device in > the bell. Seems like the flare of a bell is pretty much close to a solid > surface for something with explosive force. Seems right to me. The tail > of a rocket is essentially directed explosive force (that's probably wrong > terminology, but you get it). I'd think you could mount that rocket to the > mute and then design a mute-shaped warhead, which would take out the > entire area around the sound man. . .but then there would be many > witnesses who would point right to the particular trombone-player as the > murderer. > > I was thinking about the idea of a stainless steel or some other very hard > and specially designed bullet and barrel system that would provide for > insignificant marking of the bullet. I'm not sure such a thing even > exists. If it does it's probably classified and only within reach of > intelligence people. > > Still, from what I hear, the intelligence agencies seem to want to use > biological agents to perform assassinations. Isn't that what happened to > the fellow in Ukraine? He became ill after dining or drinking with some > group, which included KGB-type folk. . . > > Even if we could infect the sound guy with some horrible fatal toxin and > one that would be difficult to trace, this doesn't help us with the > current concert or gig. The infected sound guy will still crank the > volume for this gig. . .but he may not make it to the next one. > Interestingly, some people seem to survive these nasty infections. Like > the guy in Ukraine. > > Maybe we could have whatever we use to deal with the guy rigged up to a > sound level meter, sorta like the movie with Sandra Bullock in the bus. . > .when the sound level of the concert reaches a certain level then the sure > fire murder is to occur. . .that way the sound guy COULD save his live by > suddenly becoming more thoughtful and keeping the level down. > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Parmerlee" > To: "Angie Brunk" > Cc: "Chris Tune" ; ; > > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:58 PM > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3552] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) > > >> Angie Brunk wrote: >> >>> Sorry, that's an urban legend. Mythbusters, the ones who tested the >>> trombone myth, tested it ...TWICE. It's just not possible to make ice >>> bullets that will adequately penetrate human flesh. >>> >>> Angie >>> >>> >>> On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >>> >>>> Chris Tune wrote: >>>> >>>>> Of course there is that nasty bullet lodged in his head. Ballistic >>>>> analysis can trace it to your gun, unless someone has invented >>>>> ballistically untraceable bullets. . .maybe out of high density >>>>> titanium or stainless steel. >>>> >>>> >>>> Two words: ice bullets. Saw that one on Columbo . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> Who are you going to believe? A couple of clowns who are a product of >> the faux reality TV fad, and who have never actually demonstrated any >> credentials for doing anything other than mugging in front of cameras, or >> a detective who has solved some of the most difficult cases ever, and has >> never failed to get his man? In the battle of the teevee experts, I >> think I have to go with Columbo on this one. >> >> > From: Chris Tune Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:57:36 -0800 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3557] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) Let's put it this way: [NOTE: not one shred of this has been the least bit serious. . .think about it before commenting. . .please--] We're all trombone players. To some extent we ALL have these things in common: A. We play in venues where there is way too, too much loud sound reinforcement. We often ask that the sound be lowered to utterly no avail B. We normally, LIKE to chat with other trombone players. . .even trade jokes once in a while, it's fun and hopefully actually helps release the personal tension from a world with so much destruction and violence. Laughter is known to do that. C. We get tired of having nothing very much appear on the list. The very personal inquiries about horns for sale and about literature and gear and so on is just fine, but to some extent you could see how that might not always be very much use to EVERYBODY. .so some of us open up unusual lines of discussion and often many chime in with additons to these UNUSUAL lines. I'm sorry this seems to bother you. . .but then that's what the DEL key is for, really D. Many things really aren't off-topic at all: Trombonists are musicians and musicians are in a position where they need to have an understanding of music in general--thus discussion of the future of the "standard" is quite legitimate in my mind. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Brink" To: "Chris Tune" ; ; "Angie Brunk" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3556] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) > Is anybody else kinda disturbed at the tone of this latest thread? It > seems to me that in view of all the death and destruction we are currently > reading about... we might ease up on the assassination ideas. I know [or > at least hope] that it's all in fun and blowing off steam, but sheesh! > Enough is enough! > > Phil Brink > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Tune" > To: ; "Angie Brunk" > Cc: ; > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3555] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) > > >> Since this is mostly story telling, I guess DISCUSSING the ice-bullet is >> OK. Did anybody note which model trombones were demolished in the test of >> the "trombone myth"? I've seen it a couple of times, but they just >> looked like rude looking student models to me. . .I couldn't really place >> them. . .also, I've since decided that it would be much more fun to >> LAUNCH A ROCKET out of the bell of a trombone than to put an explosive >> device in the bell. Seems like the flare of a bell is pretty much close >> to a solid surface for something with explosive force. Seems right to >> me. The tail of a rocket is essentially directed explosive force (that's >> probably wrong terminology, but you get it). I'd think you could mount >> that rocket to the mute and then design a mute-shaped warhead, which >> would take out the entire area around the sound man. . .but then there >> would be many witnesses who would point right to the particular >> trombone-player as the murderer. >> >> I was thinking about the idea of a stainless steel or some other very >> hard and specially designed bullet and barrel system that would provide >> for insignificant marking of the bullet. I'm not sure such a thing even >> exists. If it does it's probably classified and only within reach of >> intelligence people. >> >> Still, from what I hear, the intelligence agencies seem to want to use >> biological agents to perform assassinations. Isn't that what happened to >> the fellow in Ukraine? He became ill after dining or drinking with some >> group, which included KGB-type folk. . . >> >> Even if we could infect the sound guy with some horrible fatal toxin and >> one that would be difficult to trace, this doesn't help us with the >> current concert or gig. The infected sound guy will still crank the >> volume for this gig. . .but he may not make it to the next one. >> Interestingly, some people seem to survive these nasty infections. Like >> the guy in Ukraine. >> >> Maybe we could have whatever we use to deal with the guy rigged up to a >> sound level meter, sorta like the movie with Sandra Bullock in the bus. . >> .when the sound level of the concert reaches a certain level then the >> sure fire murder is to occur. . .that way the sound guy COULD save his >> live by suddenly becoming more thoughtful and keeping the level down. >> >> Chris >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Craig Parmerlee" >> To: "Angie Brunk" >> Cc: "Chris Tune" ; ; >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:58 PM >> Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3552] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) >> >> >>> Angie Brunk wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, that's an urban legend. Mythbusters, the ones who tested the >>>> trombone myth, tested it ...TWICE. It's just not possible to make ice >>>> bullets that will adequately penetrate human flesh. >>>> >>>> Angie >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 11:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chris Tune wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Of course there is that nasty bullet lodged in his head. Ballistic >>>>>> analysis can trace it to your gun, unless someone has invented >>>>>> ballistically untraceable bullets. . .maybe out of high density >>>>>> titanium or stainless steel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Two words: ice bullets. Saw that one on Columbo . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Who are you going to believe? A couple of clowns who are a product of >>> the faux reality TV fad, and who have never actually demonstrated any >>> credentials for doing anything other than mugging in front of cameras, >>> or a detective who has solved some of the most difficult cases ever, and >>> has never failed to get his man? In the battle of the teevee experts, I >>> think I have to go with Columbo on this one. >>> >>> >> > > From: Lisa & Patrick Bates Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:09:47 -0500 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3558] Out Front: CBC Heard an autobiographical account of the life of a canadian itinerant trombonist with Sally Ann roots the other day. (I think was Dave Pell, but my memory isn't the greatest.) Very well done article! Reminded me why I made the decision to not go into music as a career! Very impressive sounds coming out of my radio when he was playing. Nice to hear some nice clean trombone sounds during prime time. Unfortunately the direct link to the article isn't on the website yet. http://www.cbc.ca/outfront/ Patrick Bates Bass bone Chatham Concert band & Primitive Roots Jazz Band From: Earl Needham Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:55:42 -0700 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3559] Re: Matt's Back (sound engineers) At 04:17 PM 1/8/2005, Chris Tune wrote: >I was thinking about the idea of a stainless steel or some other very hard >and specially designed bullet and barrel system that would provide for >insignificant marking of the bullet. I'm not sure such a thing even >exists. If it does it's probably classified and only within reach of >intelligence people. Sure it exists, they're even available to civilians. They call them sabots (pronounced say-bo) and they're available for various shot shells. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk http://kd5xb-2.no-ip.info From: Corey Kirkpatrick Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:18:32 -0600 To: Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3560] Historie Du Soldat Hello List - - - I'm playing Stravinsky's "Historie Du Soldat" with a local chamber group next month. We're doing it with narrator, actors and dancers (not the "suite" version) so it will be quite a production. We had our first rehearsal last night. Interesting piece. The biggest challenge is staying together with all the meter shifts! I just wondered if anyone had any performance suggestions, wisdom, comments, interesting stories, etc. regarding the piece. Thanks in advance. Corey Kirkpatrick From: Robert Holland Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:31:33 -0600 To: "Trb. List" Subject: [TROMBONE-L:3561] L'Histoire du Soldat Corey Kirkpatrick wrote: > I'm playing Stravinsky's "Historie Du Soldat" with a local chamber > group next > month. We're doing it with narrator, actors and dancers (not the > "suite" > version) so it will be quite a production. We had our first rehearsal > last > night. Interesting piece. The biggest challenge is staying together > with all > the meter shifts! > > I just wondered if anyone had any performance suggestions, wisdom, > comments, > interesting stories, etc. regarding the piece. Like The Firebird or The Miraculous Mandarin, the suite version doesn't differ too significantly from the full work. The staged Soldier's Tale has a few connecting tropes. Otherwise, it's almost all there in the suite. As great as the music is all by itself, the real wallop of the work is as a theatrical allegory. As musical performers (or worse, as trombonists), we tend to think in terms of our own contributions to the whole. I think being submerged in the whole for this work is what it's all about. Sure, there are places to shine as a trombonist, but getting into the mindset of the narrative, placing yourself historically between the two great wars, and empathizing with the unwitting choices of the soldier is what it's all about. For my money, the best part is the Great Chorale, which has all the trappings of a Lutheran chorale but is reimagined in the symbolist mode of the era. Its twistedness and paradoxical beauty forecast the bittersweet realization of unremitting and inescapable loss that concludes the story. I've performed the work in both of its two forms numerous times. It's very interesting to traverse the story repeatedly, especially if you have a series of performances within a few days. Getting just one chance at a program is always less fulfilling to me, though it's so commonplace in the course of concertizing that we take it for granted that all the effort of practice and rehearsal add up to one performance. One interesting twist is to cast the devil as a woman. Vanessa Redgrave voices the role in one recording I know of. In retrospect, one wonders why the idea only occurred to producers mounting the work some 50 years after its composition. I suppose it's only a matter of time before the roles of the soldier and the love interest are likewise transposed. Robert Holland, Publisher Briar Music Press briar@rcn.com http://www.EnsPub.com/bmp.htm