Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 5 Mar 2004 to 6 Mar 2004 (#2004-67) Date: Sunday, March 7, 2004 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 28 messages totalling 1153 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Trombone-L Is Closing (12) 2. Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing (3) 3. Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? (6) 4. Open Horn registration problems 5. Solfege 6. Trombone-L Is Closing - added Dave Steinmeyer 7. Pneumothorax 8. Spontaneous pneumothorax I had one 9. ScubaBone 10. FS: Meinl Weston F Tuba ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 01:44:22 -0700 From: Mark Bauer Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing It also comes with flamers and spammers who love to advertise and cause trouble. If you do go the Yahoo groups route, It would probably have to be with a restricted membership(so that people have to be approved before they can join) and/or have new members messages be approved before they are posted. I've had my own group on yahoo for 3 years now and it usually requires the moderator to take those kind of steps to ensure that the group stays free of spammers and flamers. It's a pain, but unfortunately necessary. Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > Well, there is always Yahoo eGroups. That is free and doesn't require > much administration. It would maintain the email list orientation, but > comes with lots of other features (data bases, file storage, calenders, > polls, etc). > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 03:23:10 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing I certainly hope the Trombone-L can continue in some way. ================================================ In a day or two I will have an email list up, that should behave in a very similar way to this one. I will post info as I get it together. Jeff Albert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 03:24:27 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing I remember dj having a problem singing on to the Open Horn, and it was eventually determined that an old browser was the culprit. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of sabutin Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:03 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing >Hey Sam; > So how come I've tried to sign onto your "forum" for the last >four days, and been refused entry? No response from "contact Sam" >either. > > Larry Priori, member in good standing of this list since 1997 I don't know, Larry. I'll ask my webmaster. About 6 people have successfully signed on in the last week, and as far as I can recall I have never before heard from someone who was having trouble subscribing. Got no emails from you either. I'll get back to you... Sam -- Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only. PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN,A WEB FORUM Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. An introduction to the site is available at ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:23:00 +0100 From: Michel Toporkoff Subject: Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? Hi, I live in France and I'll be in SF area some time in June and I'd like = to take this opportunity to buy a better horn that the one I have = (Yamaha YSL354). I'm thinking of a King 2B or 3B (they are a lot cheaper = in the US than in France). Can anyone recommend a few dealers in the area ? Thank you in advance Michel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:27:33 -0500 From: Dave Wingard Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Jeff... I know DJ's a little... different?... But c'mon... He's more than just an "old browser"... Seeya. Dave At 04:24 AM 3/6/2004, you wrote: >I remember dj having a problem singing on to the Open Horn, and it was >eventually determined that an old browser was the culprit. > >Jeff Albert > >www.jeffalbert.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:51:27 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Open Horn registration problems Regarding the message below... Bill Huber just wrote me and reminded me that he had problems subscribing to The Open Horn as well, months ago. I suggested at the time that he update his browser, and that seemed to work for him. I also got this response from my webmaster on another matter: ================ >...thetrombonestore.com attempted to send the email to your >mindspring account for the first and second of March; after >mindspring repeatedly refused the email (10 times) it gave up. >There were some "out there" internet problems around this time; not >us, but big trunk lines being down on the 28th-2nd. ============== My Earthlink DSL was down for two days this week, and apparently there has been some trouble all along the line for the last week or so.\ If anyone else has been having trouble reaching me...and this is the first I have heard about it...please try agajn. Things seem to be working better now. Later... Sam >>Hey Sam; >> So how come I've tried to sign onto your "forum" for the last >>four days, and been refused entry? No response from "contact Sam" >>either. >> >> Larry Priori, member in good standing of this list since 1997 > > >I don't know, Larry. I'll ask my webmaster. About 6 people have >successfully signed on in the last week, and as far as I can recall >I have never before heard from someone who was having trouble >subscribing. > > Got no emails from you either. > >I'll get back to you... > > Sam > > -- Sam Burtis is a NYC freelance trombonist and composer, the author of "The American Trombone" and proud proprietor of The Trombone Store in NYC. Visit us on the web at and/or , email us at , or call us at [718] 796-4413. The actual store in NYC is by appointment only. PLEASE VISIT THE OPEN HORN,A WEB FORUM Lots of interesting discussions going on every day. An introduction to the site is available at ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 06:56:50 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: Solfege --- Matthew Stoecker wrote: > When I was in college, we were required to take two > semesters of ear training and sight singing. Well Matt, as you and Chris Dearth and any other Oberlin grad from that time who may be lurking know, there were some serious problems with that ear training department. Classic case of entrenched academics holding dominion over a little corner of a school. I was lucky enough to test out of the actual classes, but I couldn't believe what I heard from that faculty when I was taking the tests. Dictation exams that displayed no discernible pulse, mostly. And certainly no phrasing of any kind. ===== Gabe Langfur Boston, MA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:23:35 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Dear list, In a way, the closing of the trombone list doesn't surprise me for a couple of reasons. First of all, people get on with their lives, and that certainly seems to be what Eric has done. There's no denying that what he has done for the international trombone community has benefitted everyone. Secondly, however, the activity on the list has been rather sparse overall. I guess there's only so much that people can really talk about when it deals with the instrument itself, the brand names associated with it, and the way that we maintain it, etc, etc, etc. However, the art of music is truly a great art in that you can participate in it your entire life and still have more to learn about it. Where I find the greatest challenge personally is how the trombone fits into that scenario. That's not to say that I can't learn anything else about the instrument itself. In fact, I have somewhat of a fascination with the design of the horn, and my association with Gary Greenhoe has taught me a lot of why horns behave the way that they do. In fact I had a very good conversation with Dave Steinmeyer on Monday, and he is convinced that horn design is what makes things really happen in the altissimo register, of which he is, in my opinion, the undisputed king. But there's still a lot concerning the horn, that if you're going to learn play it on the highest level, that you literally have to dig it out of the dirt for yourself. Teachers may help to point you in the right direction, but the work involved is up to you. Sometimes I think that the internet itself is a forum that encourages things to be too easy, and no matter what anyone says on the list about any given subject related to the trombone, there are things that are conmsistent with science and things that aren't. There's an awful lot of trial and error before things really begin to happen, and sometimes I think that people are trying to get all of the answers off of a discussion forum. I sometimes wish it could happen that way, but by in large it doesn't. However, no matter what transpires with the list in the near future, I will do my best to try to be a part of it. Even if it means that I delete over 99% of the things that I read. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:35:26 -0800 From: Price Taylor Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing - added Dave Steinmeyer For those of you who aren't familiar with Dave Steinmeyer's playing, what Paul said is absolutely true. Dave was lead trombonist and director of "The Airmen of Note," the USAF Jazz Band. Follow this link to hear some of the unbelievable upper register++ playing by Dave. http://www.airmenofnote.com/sounds/BoneVoyage/BoneVoyage.htm Price -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Paul D. Kemp Jr. Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:24 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing Dear list, In a way, the closing of the trombone list doesn't surprise me for a couple of reasons. First of all, people get on with their lives, and that certainly seems to be what Eric has done. There's no denying that what he has done for the international trombone community has benefitted everyone. Secondly, however, the activity on the list has been rather sparse overall. I guess there's only so much that people can really talk about when it deals with the instrument itself, the brand names associated with it, and the way that we maintain it, etc, etc, etc. However, the art of music is truly a great art in that you can participate in it your entire life and still have more to learn about it. Where I find the greatest challenge personally is how the trombone fits into that scenario. That's not to say that I can't learn anything else about the instrument itself. In fact, I have somewhat of a fascination with the design of the horn, and my association with Gary Greenhoe has taught me a lot of why horns behave the way that they do. In fact I had a very good conversation with Dave Steinmeyer on Monday, and he is convinced that horn design is what makes things really happen in the altissimo register, of which he is, in my opinion, the undisputed king. But there's still a lot concerning the horn, that if you're going to learn play it on the highest level, that you literally have to dig it out of the dirt for yourself. Teachers may help to point you in the right direction, but the work involved is up to you. Sometimes I think that the internet itself is a forum that encourages things to be too easy, and no matter what anyone says on the list about any given subject related to the trombone, there are things that are conmsistent with science and things that aren't. There's an awful lot of trial and error before things really begin to happen, and sometimes I think that people are trying to get all of the answers off of a discussion forum. I sometimes wish it could happen that way, but by in large it doesn't. However, no matter what transpires with the list in the near future, I will do my best to try to be a part of it. Even if it means that I delete over 99% of the things that I read. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:45:44 -0700 From: Eric Edwards Subject: Re: Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? Go to Best Instrument Repair in Oakland on 14th St. Then number is 510-832-2452. Ask for Dick. It's only about a 20 minute drive from SF, or you can take the BART train to the City Center station. Thanks Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared Edwards bonearzt@cox.net "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price fades". -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Michel Toporkoff Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:23 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? Hi, I live in France and I'll be in SF area some time in June and I'd like to take this opportunity to buy a better horn that the one I have (Yamaha YSL354). I'm thinking of a King 2B or 3B (they are a lot cheaper in the US than in France). Can anyone recommend a few dealers in the area ? Thank you in advance Michel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:45:11 -0800 From: Greg Bergantz Subject: Re: Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? On Saturday, March 6, 2004, at 02:23 AM, Michel Toporkoff wrote: > I live in France and I'll be in SF area some time in June and I'd like > to take this opportunity to buy a better horn that the one I have > (Yamaha YSL354). I'm thinking of a King 2B or 3B (they are a lot > cheaper in the US than in France). > > Can anyone recommend a few dealers in the area ? Of course, the "best" trombone dealer is going to be wherever you find the best horn for the best price. Bronstein's is certainly one of the best and closest to SF. A little farther south of SF, Hornocopia, has a large selection of new horns and used horns that are all in great working shape and there's a fairly high percentage of turnover...you could find your dream horn there, but it may be gone tomorrow. It's become quite the hotspot. A short trip across the bay bridge takes you to three more good shops: Best Musical Instruments and A & G Music in Oakland. Best Instrument Repair (different location the the other Best, but not far) shares the same building as A & G (Best Repair is downstairs) and either could be a good source for a terrific vintage King, Bach or Conn. Bon chances, Greg Bronstein Music Address: 363 Grand Ave South San Francisco,CA 94080 Phone: (650) 588-2502 Hornucopia 1549 Laurel St, San Carlos, CA 94070 Phone: (650) 593-3050 A & G Music Products Co 564 14th St Oakland, CA (510) 832-0381 Dick Akright Best Instrument Repair Co Address: 564 14th St, Oakland, CA 94612 Phone: (510) 832-2452 Best Music Co Address: 1716 Broadway Oakland,CA 94612 hone:(510) 832-2024 Email: bestmusic@value.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:01:56 -0500 From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" Subject: Pneumothorax I forwarded the question to David Watkins for comments--who had assumed I forwarded this to the lists, too. Dr. Watkins played bass trombone in the Interlochen orchestra with Gary Greenhoe back in the...ah...a few years back. Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:53:46 -0500 From: "W David Watkins, MD, PhD" Carole-- A few of my own thoughts since you forwarded this to me. It's virtually impossible to produce a pneumothorax (collapsed lung) in a normal lung with forces produced by raising the intrathoracic pressure using normal respiratory muscles (most wind players). The pleural space is a "potential space" (i.e. normally no air and only a little viscous fluid, negative pressure) that sits between the inner aspect of the chest wall and outer surface of the lung. The pleural space normally transmits the force of the expanding chest wall (inspiration) to the lung allowing air to enter through the trachea, resulting in "inflation" of the lung. Similarly, compression of the chest wall forces air out of the lung. The lung collapses when air gets into the pleural space and breaks the normal union between the chest wall and the lung. Air can get in the pleural space (pneumothorax) a variety of ways including: (a) externally (e.g.puncture of the chest wall with a stiletto or 9mm slug or ice pick, etc); or (b) internally, by the compressed air from within the lung being forced through a fault in the lung and entering the pleural space. I'm assuming the student didn't suffer a penetrating wound to the chest wall--I don't think things like that happen in New Mexico. In many patients who have "blebs" (bubbles) that may occur on the surface of their lungs (variety of causes), these occasionally burst spontaneously and allow air into the pleural space--but these probably seal up on their own, life goes on, and no one really knows the difference. Sometimes surgery is required to repair these burst blebs--and at the same time prevent others that may exist from bursting in the future. Conceivably, a lot of intrathoracic pressure on such a bleb (e.g wind player spending hours practicing) could prevent the "spontaneous" pneumothorax from healing up as it might otherwise do. If the diagnosis of "pneumothorax" was rendered, presumably that was on the basis of radiologic findings and that should also give a sense of the extent of the "blebs" on this student's lung surface--or some other uncommon anatomic anomalies that might set up conditions for spontaneous "pneumo". Reasonable questions include: "How was this first recognized? Was the student symptomatic (e.g. acutely short of breath? Coughing (+/- productive)? To what extent was this actively treated? Hospitalization? Chest tube insertion? Rather than throw in the towel on a budding career as a performing brass musician, I think a thorough work-up by a specialist in either pulmonology or thoracic surgery would be a wise referral. The brass-playing aspect, in my opinion, simply amplified the underlying pulmonary issue, thus I think he needs to fully understand the basis for the pneumothorax, its extent, future implications, and available treatment if needed. You didn't say who the "doctor" is that made this diagnosis. I would only point out that generalists, particularly those working in student infirmary settings, are not ordinarily trained or equipped to do the thorough work-up I believe this student could well deserve. Depending on the answers to the preceding questions, I would consider a referral to a competent "chest service". An alternative approach that happens in the real world (in the absence of doctors, specialists, etc) is--assuming this is the first occurrence of a spontaneous pneumothorax--to take time enough to let it "quiet down" and then gradually resume activity, letting the symptoms be the guide. If it recurs, then work it up in detail. A few off-the-cuff thoughts from a non-pulmonologist, non-thoracic surgeon and loyal brass player who loves New Mexico. Actually hoping to visit Karl Humble during a future trip to Albuquerque--we just spoke a few days ago. Good luck to the student who is indeed fortunate to have a mentor who cares enough about his welfare to probe further into the cause of his student's problems. I would be interested in how matters go in this regard. Best, David Watkins ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:39:16 -0600 From: John Hinchey Subject: Spontaneous pneumothorax I had one Hello, I had a spontaneous pneumothorax in December of 1978 while I was a student at Towson University in Baltimore. I was in my trombone teacher's office (John Melick) and we were working on a 12 tone solo I was going to do with the trombone ensemble. I suddenly felt a sharp pain in my chest. I left the office tried to get to the campus infirmary and collapsed in the hallway. It felt like someone had driven a stake through my chest. To shorten the story, I had a 60% collapse of my left lung. They did a procedure where they pump the negative pressure out of the chest cavity (the syringe and then plastic tube inserted into the chest and hooked up to a pump) and when you breathe in your lung regains it's normal position and size. Then heals into to position. I had to lay off the horn for about 6 months. In the following March, I had another slight collapse and had to have a purectemy (sp?). They remove part of the plura which covers the lung and the lung heals into position. This worked for me. I've worked professionally as a trombone player and arranger since graduation in 1980. But I have sworn off 12 tone music!!!!! A couple of thoughts, one it is scary as hell, not just the pain but when they tell you, you can no longer do what you have your heart set on doing. But you have to take it a step at a time. I'm not a doctor, I don't know if this young man's condition is different or worse than mine. But bear in mind that for the most part doctors are going to recommend the most conservative approach. So you may have to push them a bit to let you start playing again. I was reminded that there was a tuba player in the Chicago Symphony who played with one lung (Charles Bell?). I was really fortunate to have the support of my family, friends and a couple of great trombone teachers John Coffey (at home in Boston) and John Melick (at Towson). Second thought, use this time wisely, you are freed up from practicing dig into something else. For me I took advantage of the time to spend more time digging into arranging, composing and orchestrating. Again, I was really fortunate to be around and study with a great jazz composer Hank Levy, who was also really supportive. If you want to make a living in music the more irons in the fire the better. This time is what really got me into arranging which is really the lions share of my income. The time frame for me was, the initial collapse was in December, I was in the hospital about a week or 10 days, flew home to Boston. Back to school in January (for the eastern trombone workshop by the way), and I would get a chest xray every 2 or 3 weeks so they could check up. A slight collapse in March, in the hospital for the plurectemy out in a week, check ups along the way until June. Where I was given the okay to play again. A week later I started a summer long gig playing trombone in a pop music show at Kings Dominion theme park 5 shows a day, 6 days a week outdoors in the heat. Since then no problems, I used to get cramps in my chest when the weather changed but I was told that had to do with the scare tissue. The incision from the plurectemy is about 18" long across the left side of my chest. By the way, check with you doctor but flying is probably okay. I flew the day after I was released from the hospital. Airplanes are pressurized, you are not going to collapse your lung while flying in a commercial jet, unless something tragic happens to the plane itself. And by the way, I was told this condition happens to tall thin young men often horn players or athletes. They don't know why it happens but luckily it can be corrected. By the medical description posted by Galen McQuarrie is pretty much how it was explained to me. As far as changing the way you breathe when playing trombone because of this, I don't think so. I mean if you would have needed help with the breathing aspect of your playing anyways, sure. But as I understand this, the fact that you play trombone is not the root cause of this. I can't stress this enough. So how you breathe has nothing to do with it. As I understand the situation, it's genetic condition, the 'tall thin young man' set of circumstances is the biggest factor. I have since met several other guys who've had this conditon and I'm the only wind instrument player but we are all tall in thin. I hope this helps. Karl if you or your student would like to contact me I would be happy to speak with you and help in any way I can. You can email me or call me at 615-874-1216. Best regards, John Hinchey Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:55:48 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? Michel, >Can anyone recommend a few dealers in the area ? A&G Music and Best Music are both an easy BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) ride away from San Francisco, in Oakland. DanP _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:04:39 -0600 From: Trombonus Rex Subject: Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? A&G, IMHO, has the best selection & prices in town. (They don't carry Bach though - unless it's on consignment) They have the "wall of fun" with consignmnent horns that is always fun to play with. Best Music is literally around the corner, and has a wide range of new instruments (they are the Bach dealer) Larry Souza has a good shop too, on the far side of S.F. - he also has consignment horns. Contact info: Dick Akright A&G Music & Best Music Repair: 510-832-2452 Fax: 510-268-3757 564 14th St., Oakland, Ca 94612 Best Music Co (510) 832-2024 1716 Broadway , Oakland, CA Larry Souza Trumpet & Wind Inst. Sales Hornucopia : 650-637-1244, 1549 Laurel Street, San Carlos, CA 94070-5114 Have fun! JB Jon Brummel Alto, Tenor, Bass Trombones, and Euphonium www.summermusic.us trex@summermusic.us 925-768-2949 Mobile & Voicemail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? Michel, >Can anyone recommend a few dealers in the area ? A&G Music and Best Music are both an easy BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) ride away from San Francisco, in Oakland. DanP _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:05:58 -0600 From: Bill Dinwiddie Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing If ever there was a good reason (and there are many) to keep this = Trombone-L thing going, it is this exchange regarding the unfortunate = pneuthorax condition that one of our members is rightly worried about. I = mean that, within a day or two, this person had acquired some very = valuable and, I'm sure, reassuring information about his very serious = condition.....a condition which he believed might end his playing = career. I don't know of another place where he could have gotten such = good info so fast. I am not very familiar with the other trombone sites, = but I have always been impressed that, on Trombone-L, you almost always = get an answer to your question and often a very good answer.=20 I fervently hope that one of our knowledgeable members will be able and = willing to pick up the reins and enable this great resource to continue = in operation. I read it every day, and look forward to reading it every = day. I hope to be reading it 10 years from today, or 20 or 50! Great job, Eric. You have more than earned a rest. Thanks so much for = being there for us for so long.=20 Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:14:26 -0600 From: David Johansen Subject: Re: ScubaBone Jon- Absolutely none! I've found that when you're in deep water and you take an inhalation on the regulator, you find your lungs filling to greater capacity than you ever use when playing trombone. It can't do anything but help you develop capacity and ease of breathing. Often, when I'm practicing and paying attention to breathing, I visualize filling up as if I have a tank on by back and a regulator in my mouth. It produces the easiest and fullest breath you can imagine! I've never experienced any problem diving (as long as you exhale when you ascend). Scuba diving is an unimaginably free sensation. Enjoy it. Dave Johansen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trombonus Rex" To: "David Johansen" Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: ScubaBone > Dear David, > > I'm planning on getting into diving, but rely on the horn for my > livelyhood. Is there anything to look out for when getting into scuba? Any > dangers/etc. that affect playing? > > Best, > > JB > > Jon Brummel > Alto, Tenor, Bass Trombones, and Euphonium > trex@summermusic.us > 925-768-2949 Mobile & Voicemail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Johansen" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pneumo thorax > > > > Karl, > > > > The only time I've heard mention of this was when it was described as a > > condition experienced while scuba diving. Pneumothorax is caused by the > > overexpansion and rupturing of the lung alveoli. The rupture of the lung > > surface occurs through a weakened area and air enters the space between > the > > lungs and lining of the chest wall. Severe and sharp chest pain occurs > and > > short breathing occurs. > > > > In almost 30 years of diving, I've never seen this occur. I don't suppose > > that this student is a diver? > > > > The treatment (at least 30 years ago) involves inserting a syringe through > > the chest wall into the air pocket and relieving the pressure and > > re-inflating the lung. > > > > Sounds ghastly. > > > > Dave Johansen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:38:29 -0600 From: "Brandon C. Moodie" Subject: FS: Meinl Weston F Tuba Posting this for a friend.... ---------------------------------- Meinl Weston Tuba for sale on Ebay - auction will end on 3/7/04. Excellent condition- W. Hilger Model 46H ML. 6 valve, height 39", bell diameter 15". Comes with brand new hard case from Brasswind. Bought new in 1996- one owner. Beautiful sound- soaring upper register. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3707989774 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:59:35 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Best trombone dealer in San Francisco area ? >Larry Souza >Trumpet & Wind Inst. Sales >Hornucopia : 650-637-1244, 1549 Laurel Street, San Carlos, CA 94070-5114 Larry runs the repair side: Sandy runs the store. Hornucopia is a great shop! You'd probably need a car to get there, but you might be able to hike there from the San Carlos train station. Most, if not all, of their instruments are used. but they've got a good selection and great prices. While you're there, check out their baskets of used mouthpieces. They're really cheap, most of them at $10 or $15. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:11:16 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing At 01:49 PM 3/5/2004, Eric Nicklas wrote: >Trombone-L Members, > >This message is to officially announce that Trombone-L will be permanently >shut down on March 31, 2004. I will be resigning my listownership and the >list will be shut down at that time. > I received this message yesterday (Friday) just after getting home from driving that darned truck. Only now do I feel I can post anything about it. First, Eric, thank you for starting the list. It's been a "good thing" for many of us out here. The list has become a major part of my life, and you all know how much I used to post before getting into truck driving. I know you had to think long and hard about this decision, and you need time for family, but it is still heart-breaking. Second, I don't know what I'll do without the list. I mean, it's always been there, whether I have a question about practice routines or furniture polish. It's a great resource for all of us. Without this list, I would have never met such good people as Gary Greenhoe, Sam Burtis, Paul Kemp, Doug Yeo, and many others. Without this list, I wouldn't have known about the JJ Johnson list which I am not sure is still running. Indirectly, this list led me to correspond with JJ himself. Third, I just bought FOUR bottles of Lemon Pledge in the trigger bottle at a grocery store in Roswell, NM. Must have got them through the time warp... Fourth, I am on a few mailing lists on Yahoogroups. Sometimes you get some spam from them and sometimes you don't. I'm not sure if they share your email address with other spammers or not. However, I made a quick search for "trombone" over there, and there are many trombone lists on Yahoogroups, some for general discussions and some for more focused discussions. There are a few for regional and even particular school discussions. But if it comes down to it, I'll create trombone-l over there and try to get everyone from here to participate there, if people want that. I have a feeling something is in the works somewhere, so will wait, but I will do this if needed. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:16:33 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing But if it comes down to it, I'll create trombone-l over there and try to get everyone from here to participate there, if people want that. I have a feeling something is in the works somewhere, so will wait, but I will do this if needed. Earl ======================================================= I made a similar offer, but apparently something is in the works already. Hopefully we should hear about it soon, to put every one's worries about the future of the list at ease. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:09:49 -0000 From: Keith Marr Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Also, why is DJ singing on the Open Horn. Shouldn't he be playing a trombone? Seriously, I'm amazed that Trombone-L was run by one guy. Well done Eric, sorry you have to pack it in. Let's hope one of the offers we've seen since will come to something. Keith in Bb/F/D - another old browser ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Wingard I know DJ's a little... different?... But c'mon... He's more than just an "old browser"... Jeff Albert wrote: I remember dj having a problem singing on to the Open Horn, and it was eventually determined that an old browser was the culprit. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 28/02/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:55:46 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Iād still be playing Mary Had A Little Lamb, if not for trombone-L. Thatās about when I first found trombone-L. And trombone-L has been my teacher, more or less. Yea, Iāve taken lessons, here and there. But when I had a question to ask, I got answers on trombone-L. And when I didnāt know enough to even ask a question, low and behold, someone else asked it on trombone-L and I found out about both the question and the answer. So Iām not going to say goodbye to trombone-L. I refuse to believe that itās over. Itās just too important. And as such, I do believe that someone will take over hosting trombone-L. As for trombone-Lās apparent lifelessness, lately, I canāt help but think that thatās the general mood of the nation, these days. Thereās less money and with it, goes less music, fewer purchases, etc. And Samās site has taken over as a venue for some of the more wacko aspects of trombone playing. I like Samās site, as a resource, but Iām seldom moved to go there. I think I prefer the format of trombone-L. DanP _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ö download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:15:27 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Daniel Pliskin wrote: > As for trombone-Lās apparent lifelessness, lately, I canāt help but think > that thatās the general mood of the nation, these days. Thereās less money > and with it, goes less music, fewer purchases, etc. That strikes me as a strange statement. I've been pretty poor lately and money has no bearing whatsoever on making music, practicing, wanting to talk about trombone etc. Jeff Oien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:37:22 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing > Third, I just bought FOUR bottles of Lemon Pledge in the trigger >bottle at a grocery store in Roswell, NM. Must have got them through the >time warp... I just wanted to send this again to ensure everybody know of my good fortune! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:33:27 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Eric God Bless You and I hope all goes well, Thanks for many years of the list Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:55:43 -0800 From: Price Taylor Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing Buy a lottery ticket... -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Earl Needham Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:37 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Fwd: Re: [TBN-L] Trombone-L Is Closing > Third, I just bought FOUR bottles of Lemon Pledge in the trigger >bottle at a grocery store in Roswell, NM. Must have got them through the >time warp... I just wanted to send this again to ensure everybody know of my good fortune! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:37:50 -0500 From: TRBNTERRY Subject: Re: Trombone-L Is Closing Dear Eric, What can I possibly say to someone who has devoted so much of their life for such a worthy cause. You'll never know how many lives have been enriched by the TRBN-L site, but I'm willing to bet there's more than you can imagine who will give thanks for this blessing, myself included. Sincerely, Mike Terry "God looks down with favor upon those who create beauty" ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 5 Mar 2004 to 6 Mar 2004 (#2004-67) **************************************************************