Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 29 Feb 2004 to 1 Mar 2004 (#2004-62) Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2004 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 34 messages totalling 1383 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Greg Harper @ Mississippi State 2. Reka superslide... 3. Complete Collection of Low Brass Excerpts for sale 4. OTJ Classifieds Update - 3/1/04 5. Pledge? (10) 6. Solfege (7) 7. Reka 8. re-subscribing (2) 9. William Barton, didjeridu 10. Matt Niess in Nebraska and South Dakota 11. Fwd: [TBN-L] re-subscribing 12. The Subscription Window is Now Open (2) 13. subscriptions and new email addys 14. Replacement for Pledge, Armor All Protectant (3) 15. Yamaha Alto YSL-671T ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:29:13 -0700 From: Mark Bauer Subject: Re: Greg Harper @ Mississippi State Mark Bauer wrote: > Greg Harper is an easy guy to work with too. I have worked with him on > several ocassions as well as his CSO section mate, Paul Naslund, who > is second trombone with the CSO. > > > > > > > Richard Human wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Greg Harper, the bass trombonist of the Colorado Symphony, was a guest >> artist at Mississippi State this past week. What a great sound and >> musicality he modeled for our students! On Tuesday he worked with our >> Wind Ensemble trombone section (Joel Oakley, Austin Walton, David >> McLaurin, Tison Reno, Lewis Baston and Lee Whitehead) on their current >> program. On Wednesday, Greg performed "New Orleans" and Lebedev's >> "Concerto" for our recital hour. He then worked with three of our low >> brass students on solo pieces. >> >> The overriding theme of his teaching was connection of the tone and >> music. I think he helped our students move towards a more vocal style >> of playing and also a more relaxed approach of production. I was most >> impressed at how he was able to meet each student "where they were" and >> not only help them see the next level, but also suggest exercises and >> approaches to achieve that next level. Greg also spoke cogently about >> the role of a bass trombonist in the symphony orchestra, taking >> auditions and working as a freelance performer. >> >> If you are looking for a bass trombone guest artist, I would highly >> recommend Greg to you. >> >> Richard >> ----- --- ----- --- ----- --- ----- --- ----- --- ----- --- ----- --- >> ----- --- ----- --- >> Dr. Richard Human, Jr, >> Assistant Professor of Music >> Mississippi State University >> http://www.msstate.edu/dept/musiced/ >> Email: richard@trombone.org >> Office Phone: (662) 325-8021 >> >> Founder and Webmaster >> Online Trombone Journal >> "A web site for Trombonists" >> http://www.trombone.org/ >> >> "The more you know, the less you understand." --Tao Te Ching >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:46:04 -0800 From: Jerry Blomberg Subject: Re: Reka superslide... Got a bottle of Reka Super Slide from Hickey's online. Going to give it a try. (I've been a SOM user) Jerry Blomberg Temple City, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dearth" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: [TBN-L] Reka superslide... > Ok, I feel totally out of the loop. When did the Reka lube come out? What > distribution channels is it available (at the store I work at, we get > Slide-O-Mix from Conn-Selmer)? Just curious. > > Chris Dearth > Principal Trombone, West Virginia Symphony > 2nd Trombone, Evansville Philharmonic > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:01:45 -0800 From: Gordon Cherry Subject: Complete Collection of Low Brass Excerpts for sale Introducing the Complete Low Brass Excerpt Collection Compiled by Gordon Cherry of the Vancouver Symphony from Cherry Classics Music go to our web site to order or get "FREE samples! http://www.Cherry-Classics.com These collections include over 6000 pages of the complete original, authentic parts for low brass section using pdf format on a CD-ROM disk See our new web site at Cherry - Classics.com Over 500 sold!! Used by major teachers and orchestra sections around the world!! 1. Complete collection All of the excerpts below plus more on one giant collection on CD-ROM compiled by G. Cherry $ 89.00 (send us an email asking to see our complete data base file and free samples) 2. 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Chris Waage -- Chris Waage Associate Webmaster, The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org Bass Trombonist, Western Missouri British Brass Band www.wmbbb.org Bass Trombonist, Northland Cathedral Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:49:42 -0700 From: Earl Needham Subject: Pledge? I was in the habit of giving my slide a squirt of Lemon Pledge (pump bottle) when I cleaned it and applied whatever lubricant other than oil. The Pledge just gives a bit more silicone and made the slide a bit more slippery, in my opinion. But that's not my question. Has anyone SEEN a pump bottle of lemon Pledge in the stores lately? I can't seem to find any in my area. Did they quit marketing it this way? Thanks, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:12:55 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: Pledge? I have heard that they quit making it in that form. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Earl Needham Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:50 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Pledge? I was in the habit of giving my slide a squirt of Lemon Pledge (pump bottle) when I cleaned it and applied whatever lubricant other than oil. The Pledge just gives a bit more silicone and made the slide a bit more slippery, in my opinion. But that's not my question. Has anyone SEEN a pump bottle of lemon Pledge in the stores lately? I can't seem to find any in my area. Did they quit marketing it this way? Thanks, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:22:08 -0500 From: John Burton Subject: Re: Pledge? I've never used pump Pledge, so I'm not sure if this is the same stuff, but according to the Pledge Home Page they make a "Lemmon Trigger" Pledge (http://www.pledge.com/). Sound like the same stuff? ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeff Albert > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:13 AM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pledge? > > > I have heard that they quit making it in that form. > > Jeff Albert > > www.jeffalbert.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf > Of Earl Needham > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:50 AM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: [TBN-L] Pledge? > > I was in the habit of giving my slide a squirt of > Lemon Pledge (pump > bottle) when I cleaned it and applied whatever lubricant > other than oil. The Pledge just gives a bit more silicone > and made the slide a bit more slippery, in my opinion. But > that's not my question. > > Has anyone SEEN a pump bottle of lemon Pledge in the > stores lately? I can't seem to find any in my area. Did they > quit marketing it this way? > > Thanks, > Earl > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 > -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> > SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:36:04 -0600 From: Mike Mathews Subject: Re: Solfege Solfeggio is not a substitute for reading. It is an adjunct to music reading. I have taught it to college music majors for the past 25 years. It's purpose is to give the musician a feel for the tonal structure or ouer diatonic system. With a thorough grounding in solfege (I prefer moveable do) you always know where you fit in the scheme of the music, whether it be a solo line or a part of an ensemble. As an additional tool solfege can be a great aid for achieving better, more musical performances. Here's a story that might help to show how it works. First we need to understand that, by using solfege syllables we always know exactly where we are in the scale. Singing "la, la, la" won't do that for us. Anyway, the story: There was a high school band director here in Missouri who was, as are many B.D.s,a bit of a tyrant. As such he was able to accomplish this feat. When his band went to the contest and entered the room where they were required to sight read two new band works they were faced with the fact that they were allpowed to talk about the music and even sing but not play before they actually sight read the music. This B.D. would simply give each section their styarting pitches and the band would solfegge ther entire work. Meanwhile, each kid was fingering the notes on his or her instrument (t-bones doing what they do). By the time they finished this exercise and began to play, they had already "played" the piece once and always recieved top ratings in sight reading. Many years ago, when I was studying with Merril Sherburn at Michigan State Univ., he would always make me sing my etudes bafore playing them (including the atonal ones). It made the playing much easier. So, let's not dis solfege. Be happy your child's teacher is using it. It will ultimately make music reading easier. Mike Mathews, Professor Emeritus MWSC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:39:18 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Re: Solfege On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 06:24 PM, Paul D. Kemp Jr. wrote: > However, this malarkey about not using any kind of musical > notation at > all is absolute garbage. And I'd like to say this about that... It's also malarkey AND garbage that school administrators and politicians try to change things for the sake of change. Bands and orchestras in the 60s were absolutely incredible. I don't hear that quality in most groups today. I won't duck and hide... I know there are great programs out there these days. But overall, I don't see as many of them as in "the old days." Just an observation by an aging teacher/musician, Wayne Dyess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:59:24 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: Solfege Attending public schools in Marblehead, Massachusetts, every elementary school student had classroom music, once a week, I think. Mrs. Gleason taught us to solfege in the third grade. "Make the last flat fa and count back to do," et cetera! Solfege served us well. In the fifth grade we all played flutophones. Many of us signed up for band or orchestra about the same time. We were ready to make music in groups and even form our own combos by sixth grade. In high school we sent large numbers of kids, for a little town, to all state and to youth symphony. As Mike said, be happy your child's teacher is using solfege. David David A. Schwartz Belmont, Massachusetts http://www.nyx.net/~dschwart/ Mike Mathews wrote: >...So, let's not dis solfege. Be happy your child's teacher is using it. It will ultimately make music reading easier. > >Mike Mathews, >Professor Emeritus >MWSC > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:09:04 -0500 From: "John J. Jenkins" Subject: Re: Solfege I completely agree! Solfege has saved my butt in both ear training and musicianship exams. Also, it makes jazz so much easier. After much usage, solfege establishes a Hierarchy of Pitch and makes notes less difficult to pick out. Guido de Arezzo was da Man! He made being a musician a lot more fun. :) John Jenkins "I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:31:17 -0500 From: Denny Seifried Subject: Re: Reka I purchased some from Hickey Music, a week or so ago, and have used it = on a couple of gigs, this past week and last evening. I like it, as I have = never had much luck with SOM, on my equipment, as I have always been a = Trombotine or Superslick user. I am not sure that it is quite as good, as = Trombotine and Forumula 3, on my Greenhoe/Bach; however, it lasts for a good three = hour gig and stays pretty slick, with very little water, if any at all. I = know JP will appreciate that. Thanks to Chris W. for all of his hard work on the trombone-list and to owner, Eric N. I, to, have made this a daily routine, for quite a few = years, and have learned a great deal and have enjoyed emails and meeting some = of you, in person, at various ITF's. Thanks, again, to Chris & Eric for furnishing this great list for all of = us trombonists! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:40:08 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Pledge? At least one of our local stores still has it. I'm not 100% sure it's being discontinued but that's the buzz. I think the orange stuff is what they're trying to push, since orange is popular now and they want to compete. I bought a bottle I don't need yet just in case they are discontinuing. Maybe I could become a dealer. 'If you need "the stuff" just meet me in the secret chat room.' Jeff Oien Earl Needham wrote: > I was in the habit of giving my slide a squirt of Lemon Pledge (pump > bottle) when I cleaned it and applied whatever lubricant other than > oil. The Pledge just gives a bit more silicone and made the slide a bit > more slippery, in my opinion. But that's not my question. > > Has anyone SEEN a pump bottle of lemon Pledge in the stores > lately? I > can't seem to find any in my area. Did they quit marketing it this way? > > Thanks, > Earl > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 > -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> > SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:55:41 -0500 From: Roger Carmichael Subject: Re: Pledge? Aw, come on. Tell us what store and where. Maybe its a large chain and I can buy it where I'm located. Thanks, Roger Carmichael -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Oien Sent: Mar 1, 2004 10:40 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pledge? At least one of our local stores still has it. I'm not 100% sure it's being discontinued but that's the buzz. I think the orange stuff is ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:19:34 -0800 From: Chris Tune Subject: Re: re-subscribing Usually, a problem of this sort is a technical problem. I've tried to resubscribe and not used the exact formatting or sent it to the wrong email address and failed out a couple of times before realising that I've made the mistake. Please send a copy of Earl's very nice message (below) to anyone saying that they cannot subscribe to the list. It is actually VERY likely that most of these persons are sending their messages to :trombone-l@po.missouri.edu , which will NOT work. No shame in that, just gotta send it to listserv@po.missouri.edu and in the message do as Earl mentions. Please have these folks double check the way they are attempting to subscribe before we ASSUME that this has something to do with the quality of the list, etc. Chris Tune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] re-subscribing > At 08:46 PM 2/27/2004, Jeff Oien wrote: > > > >I agree with this and if we could just get to the point where people > >could subscribe to the list, there would be more people to participate. > >People like Paul Hill, Dean McCarty etc etc etc are all trying to get > >back on and can't. There are also people who are subscribed who can't > >post for some reason. > >Jeff Oien > > In June of 2002 there were some changes. At the risk of sounding > patronizing (I don't mean it to be), please have them try the following: > > All commands are sent to: > > listserv@po.missouri.edu > > Subscribe: > sub trombone-l > > Also, someone wanted to know specifics about membership > numbers. I remember, when the list troll popped up, the list had around > 1200 members. On Aug 9, 2002, we were down to 696 subscribers. Today we > have 718 members. > > Earl > > > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 > -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> > SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:20:59 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Pledge? Ah, sorry. It was at Osco (drug store). Local grocery store had it too. See this for a little more info: http://forum.trombone.org/viewtopic.php?t=4127&highlight=pledge Jeff Oien Roger Carmichael wrote: > Aw, come on. Tell us what store and where. Maybe its a large chain and I can buy it where I'm located. > Thanks, > Roger Carmichael > > At least one of our local stores still has it. I'm not 100% sure it's > being discontinued but that's the buzz. I think the orange stuff is ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:47:38 -0500 From: Monique Buzzarte Subject: William Barton, didjeridu Trombonists who double on didjeridu might be interested in knowing that Aboriginal musician and composer William Barton will be giving a five day workshop as part of the Deep Listening Institute. Information below. William is from the Kalkadunga nation, an area near Mt Isa in far North-West Queensland. I heard him in on tour in the states last summer - a very special performance. This year he is joined by his mother. Monique ----------------------------------------- The Deep Listening Institute held August 1-22, 2004 at the Big Indian Retreat Center in the Catskills, New York, USA includes the 14th annual Deep Listening Retreat the first week and continues with three five-day Deep Listening workshops led by master artists-in-residence, which include a composition seminar with Pauline Oliveros along with a public concert. Deep Listening Retreat (all levels): August 1-7 Pauline Oliveros - composer and founder of Deep Listening IONE - author and dream specialist Heloise Gold - choreographer, T'ai Chi and movement specialist William and Delmae Barton Workshop: August 8-12 traditional Australian and experimental music Tomie Hahn, Curtis Bahn and Dan Trueman: August 13-17 traditional and experimental shakuhachi, dance and interactive electronics Brenda Hutchinson and Bob Bielecki: August 18-22 audio art and design The retreat is $625 (students with ID $600); each workshop is $425. Fee includes tuition and three vegetarian meals per day. Rooms in the lodge are available for $40/day and may be shared for $5/day extra per person. Camping is $5/day per person. Need based aid is available on a limited basis. Package price of $1,800 for the retreat and all three workshops. More information at http://www.deeplistening.org/training/retreat.html Pauline Oliveros Foundation, Inc. email: info@pofinc.org web site: http://www.pofinc.org/ PO Box 1956 Kingston, NY 12401 USA phone 845-338-5984 fax 845-338-5986 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:14:13 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: re-subscribing I just tried subscribing with a different address over the weekend. I got this: -------------- Your request to join the TROMBONE-L list has been forwarded to the list owner for approval. If you have any question about the list, you can reach the list owner at TROMBONE-L-request@PO.MISSOURI.EDU. -------------- I think that's as far as it gets. I've asked if ANYBODY has been able to subscribe lately and nobody has. I've reiterated this many times. If anybody has subscribed recently, please give us the magic words so we can spread the good news. Jeff Oien Chris Tune wrote: > Usually, a problem of this sort is a technical problem. I've tried to > resubscribe and not used the exact formatting or sent it to the wrong email > address and failed out a couple of times before realising that I've made the > mistake. > > Please send a copy of Earl's very nice message (below) to anyone saying that > they cannot subscribe to the list. It is actually VERY likely that most of > these persons are sending their messages to :trombone-l@po.missouri.edu , > which will NOT work. > > No shame in that, just gotta send it to > > listserv@po.missouri.edu > > and in the message do as Earl mentions. > > Please have these folks double check the way they are attempting to > subscribe before we ASSUME that this has something to do with the quality of > the list, etc. > > Chris Tune > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Needham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] re-subscribing > > > >>At 08:46 PM 2/27/2004, Jeff Oien wrote: >> >>> >>>I agree with this and if we could just get to the point where people >>>could subscribe to the list, there would be more people to participate. >>>People like Paul Hill, Dean McCarty etc etc etc are all trying to get >>>back on and can't. There are also people who are subscribed who can't >>>post for some reason. >>>Jeff Oien >> >> In June of 2002 there were some changes. At the risk of sounding >>patronizing (I don't mean it to be), please have them try the following: >> >>All commands are sent to: >> >> listserv@po.missouri.edu >> >>Subscribe: >> sub trombone-l >> >> Also, someone wanted to know specifics about membership >>numbers. I remember, when the list troll popped up, the list had around >>1200 members. On Aug 9, 2002, we were down to 696 subscribers. Today we >>have 718 members. >> >> Earl >> >> >> >> >>Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk >>KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1%:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 >>-EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> >>SETI@Home: 11385WU/7.39yrs >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:28:44 -0500 From: Roger Carmichael Subject: Re: Pledge? Jeff, Have you tried the aerosol version of Lemon Pledge on your handslide? Does anyone else have any feedback? If the aerosol works as well as the pump spray, I see a double use here. My repair guru uses the aerosol spray to clean and polish lacquered brass instruments. Makes them look like new (and gives them a quaint, pleasant aroma.) One could use the overspray from the handslide application to polish the bell, too. Roger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:41:42 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Pledge? I've never tried it and am leery because of this post: http://forum.trombone.org//viewtopic.php?t=4127&highlight=pledge#57126 Looks like the orange won't work http://forum.trombone.org//viewtopic.php?t=4127&highlight=pledge#57129 so hoarding the lemon is justified. Jeff Oien Roger Carmichael wrote: > Jeff, > > Have you tried the aerosol version of Lemon Pledge on your handslide? Does anyone else have any feedback? If the aerosol works as well as the pump spray, I see a double use here. My repair guru uses the aerosol spray to clean and polish lacquered brass instruments. Makes them look like new (and gives them a quaint, pleasant aroma.) One could use the overspray from the handslide application to polish the bell, too. > > Roger > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:05:49 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: Solfege > Have any of you experienced this complete reliance on > solfege in your > schools? Do I have a worry or will this prove to be a > superior way of > learning music? I don't know about this program specifically, but it seems to me that a lot of the obstacles associated with learning to play the trombone (or any other instrument) would be more or less nonexistent if students have a working, practical feel for how music works - differentiating pitches, accurately reproducing rhythms, etc. etc. I personally welcome just about any program that gets kids involved in making music in some way before introducing the instruments themselves. I would also tend to think it's better to get the ear and body involved before introducing notation - not as a replacement, of course...simply as a first step. I was lucky enough to start with the piano, in a community music school that required a "theory class" every two weeks. What a bunch of first-year, 6 and 7 year old pianists were doing in a theory class requires some explanation - essentially we were learning about music - playing rhythm instruments, singing, learning how scales are constructed (I remember chanting "whole whole half whole whole whole half" for the major scale), learning to take rhythmic and melodic dication, and so forth. We weren't taught solfege, but the basics of ear training stuck with me and gave me the tools to test out of the terrible ear training classes required at my undergrad. The classes continued at every level at that school, and while I still can't play piano worth a damn, the basic tools of musicianship I learned there are still valuable to me every day. Even teaching fairly advanced students, as I am fortunate to do a little bit, I find that the biggest obstacle to their improvement is not being able to accurately hear the pitches they are about to play. I think this is one of the reasons that buzzing the mouthpiece is such a popular teaching method. In some cases, singing what has to be played might give 99% of the benefit of buzzing the mouthpiece. ===== Gabe Langfur Boston, MA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:06:21 -0800 From: emrose79 Subject: Re: Pledge? Hmmm... so, would I have to re-apply the water spots? Roger Carmichael wrote: > One could use the overspray from the handslide application to polish the bell, too. > >Roger > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:35:23 -0600 From: Matt & Abby Erickson Subject: Matt Niess in Nebraska and South Dakota Yes, it does take a brave man to come to the midwest during the month of = March. However, Matt Niess from the Army Blues and Capitol Bones has = decided to step up to the challenge. =20 If you are in the Omaha, NE or Sioux Falls, SD area this week, try to = catch one or all of the following events: March 3rd- Matt will work with the USAF Noteables big band and the UNO = Jazz Band from 10 am to 2 pm at the Univ. of Nebraska at Omaha. For = more information and schedule, please email: = matthew.erickson@offutt.af.mil March 4th and 5th- Matt will be the featured clinician for the 8th = Annual Siouxland Trombone Festival in Sioux Falls, SD. In addition to = Matt's superb playing, the two day festival will feature trombone = masterclasses for high school and college students and many vender = displays. All are welcome to attend the 2 day festival and finale = concert on the March 5 at 7:00pm at Washington HS in Sioux Falls. For = more information, contact vanceshoemaker@eastplains.net Finally, on March 6th, Matt Niess will return to the Omaha area to = perform in concert with the Noteables. The concert will feature some = brand new arrangements by Matt Niess. The concert is FREE and starts at = 7:30pm at Iowa Western Community College Performing Arts Center in = Council Bluffs, IA. Again, please contact = matthew.erickson@offutt.af.mil for more information. Hope to see some of you there! Matt Erickson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:05:38 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess Subject: Fwd: [TBN-L] re-subscribing Just got this bit of bad news from Dean McCarty. He has YET to get back on the list after changing e-mail addresses recently. Those who want to write to offer advice or just to say hey may write Dean at the following address: bassbone@gt.rr.com Sincerely, Wayne Dyess Begin forwarded message: > Wayne: Please forward this on for me to the list... > >> At the risk of sounding patronizing (I don't mean it to be), please >> have > them try the following: >> All commands are sent to: >> listserv@po.missouri.edu >> Subscribe: sub trombone-l > > I have tried this at least 10 times AND have left multiple emails to > the > webmaster... no replies, no help... I've given up. If they can't at > least > see what the problem is instead of assuming that we're all idiots then > they > must not want the forum anymore. Let me try it this way... My email is > bassbone@gt.rr.com please add me to the list. Your wonderful listserv > commands DON'T WORK! > > Dean McCarty > freelance trombonist, Houston area > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:03:56 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: The Subscription Window is Now Open I have been in contact with Eric Nicklas, and subscriptions are now being processed. However, if someone had previously attempted to subscribe, please have them send an e-mail to listserv@po.missouri.edu with subscribe trombone-l in the body of the message. Chris -- Chris Waage Associate Webmaster, The Online Trombone Journal www. trombone.org Bass Trombonist, Western Missouri British Brass Band www.wmbbb.org Bass Trombonist, Northland Cathedral Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:17:10 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: subscriptions and new email addys For those that are already on the list, but need to change your email address, go to http://po.missouri.edu . Sign = in with the old email address and you should be able to change it to the = new one. If you have already unsubscribed the old address, that might not = work. =20 I too tried to subscribe with a different address, and also got to the = "your request has been sent to the owner for approval" stage, and have heard nothing else. I guess it is possible that the list is on auto pilot and = no actual human is available to tend to these matters. If that is the case = the list will eventually die through attrition and computer error. =20 We should all be able to deal with existing subscriptions through the website, but since it is setup that new members need owner approval, and there appears to be no one doing those approvals, it may be impossible = for any one to get on or back on the list until that approval process = changes. =20 I noticed that the subscription form is no longer on the OTJ site. Has = that been gone for a while? Maybe I just now noticed. =20 Jeff Albert =20 www.jeffalbert.com =20 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:53:16 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: The Subscription Window is Now Open Chris Waage wrote: > I have been in contact with Eric Nicklas, and subscriptions are now being > processed. However, if someone had previously attempted to subscribe, > please have them send an e-mail to listserv@po.missouri.edu with subscribe > trombone-l in the body of the message. > > Chris Are you sure that should be e-mail address and not name? Jeff Oien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:42:03 EST From: JFBermann@AOL.COM Subject: Replacement for Pledge, Armor All Protectant I found a terrific replacement for Pledge, Armor All Protectant. It doesn't have that lemon smell, but is non-flammable, non-toxic, non-corrosive, and odorless. Works fantastic on the slide and for cleaning lacquered surfaces. And it comes in a pump spray plastic bottle. Jim Bermann ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:04:20 -0600 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Replacement for Pledge, Armor All Protectant JFBermann@AOL.COM wrote: > I found a terrific replacement for Pledge, Armor All Protectant. > It doesn't have that lemon smell, but is non-flammable, non-toxic, > non-corrosive, and odorless. Works fantastic on the slide and > for cleaning lacquered surfaces. And it comes in a pump spray > plastic bottle. > > Jim Bermann Well I'm glad it's non-flammable, otherwise it would be too dangerous. I really like the lemon scent. I don't like how Trombotine smells soon after it's applied so the Pledge works out well in that way. I wonder if lemon flavor could be added to the Armor All (for the scent, not the flavor). Jeff Oien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:07:26 EST From: "Thomas B. Cox" Subject: Re: Replacement for Pledge, Armor All Protectant Isn't anything containing petroleum (valve oil etc...not sure about slide creams) flammable? I thought it was...maybe I'm wrong... I also never noticed what trombotine smelled like. The only slide cream for which have been able to detect a real odor is Roche-Thomas. -Tommy Thomas B. Cox University of Alabama Music Education/Trombone >Well I'm glad it's non-flammable, otherwise it would be too dangerous. I really like the lemon scent. I don't like how Trombotine smells soon after it's applied so the Pledge works out well in that way. I wonder if lemon flavor could be added to the Armor All (for the scent, not the flavor). Jeff Oien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:35:41 -0500 From: Roger Carmichael Subject: Re: Pledge? By all means, do not remove the water spots. Water contains iron. Iron is a metal. By applying water to the bell, you're adding metallic mass to the horn, sort of like adding another counterweight, and that is changing the tone. You must have already determined how much water to overspray so the Pledge would not be a good thing for you. Us trombonists with water spray bottles are a predictable lot. We know exactly how much to use--like always going to the same slide position for the same note, time after time after time. You do that, don't you? Of course, the list experts may want to expand on this simplistic metal enhancement explanation. Roger > [Original Message] > From: emrose79 > To: > Date: 3/1/2004 3:13:43 PM > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Pledge? > > Hmmm... so, would I have to re-apply the water spots? > > Roger Carmichael wrote: > > > One could use the overspray from the handslide application to polish the bell, too. > > > >Roger > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:49:53 -0600 From: mcclurefamily Subject: Solfege OK, it's middle school, and they're going to say "Do re mi" instead of one two three. Someone already did point out that if they are only singing it and saying it, and not learning to hear the notes they sing, it doesn't matter if they call it "q-flat" or "z-sharp". (OK, the note names are mine!) :op This honestly sounds like a teacher or teachers who have a Kodaly background de developed this program and are "jumping" to the solfege without the hand signals. Kodaly was a Hungarian musician who saved his country's folksongs from extinction while using solfege and hand signs for do re mi. He was extremely successful. The Kodaly system reminds me of a ladder, where do is the bottom and do' (high do) is the top. The visual is to think of a note as higher, lower or the same as the one above. It is supposed to include listening examples as well. Purists use the fixed do, and minor scales start on la....I have heard of those who use the Koday hand signals but use moveable do. If your child is going to start band at the same time, there is already going to be a colliding of systems. Ditto if the HS choir teachers are not on the same or similiar page. If you do decide to supplement your child's do re mi with other systems, put it in perspective. do re mi, equals 1 2 3, equals C, D, E (if you're teaching C Major Concert scale). Either on an instrument or at least, the keyboard. If I can help further, email me privately. I'd be glad to "translate" the teaching system they are talking about into plain English. Finally peeking out from all the snow in ND Chris Ann ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:04:11 -0800 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: Solfege Amen, Mike. 40,000 years ago (it seems), when I was in College (yes, I'm older than dirt! :-).... I remember having to solfege a Cello sonata. BOTH in fixed Do and in Movable Do in my Theory Finals. Now that's both systems, and in Cello parts, clefs are changed often as well. Ah......the "good old days"..... :-) Tom --- Mike Mathews wrote: > Solfeggio is not a substitute for reading. It is an > adjunct to music reading. ,> > > So, let's not dis solfege. Be happy your child's > teacher is using it. It will ultimately make music > reading easier. > ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 858-7832 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youâre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:28:49 +0800 From: Fredi Subject: Yamaha Alto YSL-671T Hi everybody, Does anybody have any experience with the 1/2 tone trill valve on this horn? Is the valve operated with the thump or the finger? Does anyone have a picture, or a link to one? Is there a Bb extension fort the valve available? If not would it be sensitive to ask someone to build one? Fredi ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 29 Feb 2004 to 1 Mar 2004 (#2004-62) ***************************************************************